Xbox One

[ricky24]

Re: Xbox One

Is there a significant graphics downgrade playing RDR2 on a One S? I know the One S can upscale to 4K for some games, but thought I saw RDR2 wasn't able to hit 1080p on the One S.



Was thinking about buying with the game on sale.

I’m pretty sure you are correct. Red dead on OneS is one of the worst performing versions of the game. I’m sure it’s still very much worth playing though.

[peter42O]

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I’m not really sure what you mean by “include game pass”. Including game pass with any console purchase would actually make no sense for them to do. Maybe a 1 month subscription or something. Which they still could do.

Yeah, sorry. That's exactly what I meant. Include a one month trial to Game Pass. $100 plus that would be great value and a great starting point.

I got some bad news for you....Sony will do the same in the near future...so if disc is what you do only....Time to start thinking of other hobbies....Read much?

Sony isn't going to do that and if/when gaming goes all digital/streaming, it won't be for at least another 15 years if not longer. Not worried about Sony going disc less at all.

Most of my gaming purchases are disc based, plus I use GameFly to rent older games. Not going to spend $60 on a two year old digital game. Just no. I have only bought two out of ten games close to launch digitally. Ghost Recon Wildlands and AC Origins which were both $40. The other eight have an average of $20.00.

Two main reasons im a disc guy is first, im not a collector. Yeah, I have a few digital games but majority were cheap or I bought them so I could play the expansions which worked only half the time. Now, I do a lot more research beforehand. Second reason is that I like to take chances on some games. For example, I'll buy this game called Remnant: From The Ashes in late August for $40/$32 GCU and if I don't like it, I'll trade it in to where it will basically be a $10 rental. I would never take a chance on a game im not 100% confident about digitally. Just no way.

[JayhawkerStL]

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Sony isn't going to do that and if/when gaming goes all digital/streaming, it won't be for at least another 15 years if not longer. Not worried about Sony going disc less at all.

FIFTEEN YEARS???? Man, you are not paying attention to the world around you at all, are you?

https://www.statista.com/statistics/190225/digital-and-physical-game-sales-in-the-us-since-2009/

Smartphones and tablets ended the public's preference for physical discs. The convenience of downloadable and streaming media has proven to be too convenient to be stoped.

We might not even be playing games on TVs in 5 years. I guarantee you Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo are all trying to figure out how to sell consoles to people that don't buy TVs. My daughter, along with her three roommates, never had a TV for the last three years they have lived in an apartment, and my daughter didn't have one in her dorm room the year before that.

She does not envision buying a TV for any reason other than playing video games. We get really caught up in believing that the way we view the world is dominated, but the older we get, the less accurate are perspective is.

Part of the problem is that we have pretty much hit a fidelity maximum, as far as what actually matters. If I watch two movies, one on my iPad and one on my 4K TV, later, when thinking about them, the quality of their images isn't even something I can recreate in my mind. I watched all of Season 2 of The Killing on my Windows Phone (recovering from surgery), but I don't remember it looking any different, or the show having any less impact, than when I watched it in HD on a TV.

Change isn't necessarily bad. In this case, change is taking into account how we consume media, and is trying to enhance that. But us old dudes don't matter. My daughter, who graduates from college in May, will have many more years of purchasing power than me. Her generation, and the one after it matters. And they don't care how addicted we are to our TVs.

Was watching an episode of Better Things from last season last night. The daughter was getting her driver's license, but was pissed. She didn't want one, didn't see the need. Her mom was flipping out, talking about how getting her license was such a big deal. Her daughter's response?

"Yeah, I get it, Mom. And all the phones were huge and had to stay in your houses, too."

These kids live in our houses, but are living in a different world. We can either be cliched old dudes, or we can try to learn from the kids and enjoy things they way they do. I do a little of both. But it keeps me from getting too worked up over anything, from movie franchises to cable TV to video games to even music that has changed significantly from "when I was younger." Everything I liked when I was younger was also a pretty big change from before.

And my daughter? She's planning on moving to New York and getting rid of her car. Of course, I'm still paying her car insurance, so I'm pretty excited for that! But the idea of just going without a car? Our kids are in a world where Uber and self-driving cars takes care of most car needs. I was trying to convince my nearly blind father to give up his car. My brother, who is pretty wealthy, even offered to pay 100% of all his and my mom's Uber bills. He can't do it.

I don't want to be that old guy, that can't see how the world has changed and figure out how to adapt to it.

In short, I don't see discs as more than about 5% of games sales within two or three years. Say goodbye to your Gamestop clerks.

[ricky24]

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I’m pretty confident I’ll have a tv the rest of my life. I don’t consider watching things on a miniature screen a solid alternative to what a decent TV offers. I agree on the disc thing though. They are on their way out.

[peter42O]

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I don't ever see NOT having a TV simply because I would never ever play games on a small cell phone or tablet. I would quit gaming before I even think of doing that.

2030-2035 would be if/when digital/streaming is the focal point simply because there's way too many countries in the world that just don't have the capability that's required for digital/streaming only. Even in the U.S., some states just don't have the internet speed that is required plus data caps don't help matters.

I'm expecting the next two gen consoles to fully support discs simply because if they don't, their sales won't be as good because not everyone is going to have internet speed that is capable of what it needs to be. Plus, digital sales might increase every year but they are inflated due to DLC, micro-transactions, etc.

I simply don't believe that discs will be gone before 2030. Not everywhere is ready for that.

EDIT: As someone who lives in NY, I can understand not needing or wanting a car BUT owning a car gives you the freedom to go where you want when you want as opposed to being depending on a car service and hoping they get to you when you need them to and get you to where you're going in a timely manner which is decent at best since the longer the drive, the more the car service ride will cost. As for Uber, im pretty sure they're already in money trouble as they lost $891M in the second quarter of 2018 alone. If they stay in business, who do you think will pay for that? Yep, it will be your daughter and just people in general.

Even though it's expensive, if I actually had interest in owning a car and actually did own one, no freaking way am I giving up my freedom of going where I want when I want just so I can call up Uber or any car service and say "hey, do you have a car available to come here, pick me up and drive me to where im going"? Hell no. Just no way.

Yeah, I'll watch Netflix and/or Amazon Prime on my 15 inch laptop mainly because one is free and the other is cheap and I don't really care. It's mostly something to watch when eating dinner and whatnot but when it comes to playing games, no way am I giving up my 43 inch 4K HDR TV to play on a 5 inch tablet or cell phone. Doing that would defeat the point and purpose of me even being a gamer. Plus, Motion Controls freaking suck and blow chunks. No thanks.

I'll stick with my awesome TV and a controller in my hand and actually see and thus, enjoy what im playing.

[mestevo]

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I don't ever see NOT having a TV simply because I would never ever play games on a small cell phone or tablet. I would quit gaming before I even think of doing that.

2030-2035 would be if/when digital/streaming is the focal point simply because there's way too many countries in the world that just don't have the capability that's required for digital/streaming only. Even in the U.S., some states just don't have the internet speed that is required plus data caps don't help matters.

I'm expecting the next two gen consoles to fully support discs simply because if they don't, their sales won't be as good because not everyone is going to have internet speed that is capable of what it needs to be. Plus, digital sales might increase every year but they are inflated due to DLC, micro-transactions, etc.

I simply don't believe that discs will be gone before 2030. Not everywhere is ready for that.

EDIT: As someone who lives in NY, I can understand not needing or wanting a car BUT owning a car gives you the freedom to go where you want when you want as opposed to being depending on a car service and hoping they get to you when you need them to and get you to where you're going in a timely manner which is decent at best since the longer the drive, the more the car service ride will cost. As for Uber, im pretty sure they're already in money trouble as they lost $891M in the second quarter of 2018 alone. If they stay in business, who do you think will pay for that? Yep, it will be your daughter and just people in general.

Even though it's expensive, if I actually had interest in owning a car and actually did own one, no freaking way am I giving up my freedom of going where I want when I want just so I can call up Uber or any car service and say "hey, do you have a car available to come here, pick me up and drive me to where im going"? Hell no. Just no way.

Yeah, I'll watch Netflix and/or Amazon Prime on my 15 inch laptop mainly because one is free and the other is cheap and I don't really care. It's mostly something to watch when eating dinner and whatnot but when it comes to playing games, no way am I giving up my 43 inch 4K HDR TV to play on a 5 inch tablet or cell phone. Doing that would defeat the point and purpose of me even being a gamer. Plus, Motion Controls freaking suck and blow chunks. No thanks.

I'll stick with my awesome TV and a controller in my hand and actually see and thus, enjoy what im playing.

Based on your flawed perception and acceptance of any FUD that serves your point, you'll be prematurely done w/ gaming (or silently eating crow) well before 2030-2035.

The things you should be asking yourself since you're presenting these opposing viewpoints:

- of the countries you claim that don't have the required infrastructure, what is their current console penetration?
- what metric are you actually looking at to say the infrastructure is inadequate?
- why should innovation be exclusive to the lowest common denominator?
- are 5 inch tablets or cell phones really the only alternative to your mid-sized TV?
- why do you feel you should only be able to play on your TV, and not also your tablet, your 15" laptop, should the purpose suit you - the same way you admit you watch Netflix, etc?
- 'digital sales won't be as good' ... I think you continue to ignore how big digital has become in the last few years

Since you offered it as fact, which states 'don't have the internet speed that is required' out of curiosity?

I'm not sure anyone thinks discs will be outright gone, but you know those guys at the store still browsing CDs? That will be the state of disc-based gaming in the span of the next 'generation' (I discount using this word in this thread, since it really only exists for Sony at this point) based on current momentum. Gamestop will be gone by then, but the big box stores will have their token aisle still for Nintendo mostly since they tend to lag an iteration or two behind with their platforms.

[ricky24]

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I don’t see a decent alternative to a TV at the moment or on the horizon. There are plenty of decent on the go options to watch things but that’s what they are.

[mestevo]

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I don’t see a decent alternative to a TV at the moment or on the horizon. There are plenty of decent on the go options to watch things but that’s what they are.

The tech isn't there yet, but I think augmented reality could do it.

There will always be practical applications for stand-alone display devices though.

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[ricky24]

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The tech isn't there yet, but I think augmented reality could do it.

There will always be practical applications for stand-alone display devices though.

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Yeah I guess we gotta get some Tony Stark type **** for it to be worth it. Right now all we have is a bunch of smaller devices that are essentially just TVs themselves. Not gonna cut it if the whole family wants to sit down for a movie night.

[mestevo]

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Yeah, price, field of view and resolution are the blockers without even getting into the content.

It's not there right now, a lot of hurdles but much more viable than VR for example

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[mgoblue]

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I personally don't use the disc anymore. Downstairs the kids use it rarely for DVDs, but slowly that'll be going away (especially in November when Disney+ hits)...I think the only big thing I'd have to get digitally is the Ninja Turtles, and i'll probably bite on that eventually.

My upstairs Xbox has a faulty disc, so it's made me realize how great digital is. I really hope MS does that disc trade in thing, that would allow me to buy stuff on sale and transfer the license digitally.

Game Pass is killer. Prey has me hooked right now (actually stayed up until 12:30 AM on Saturday night, rare/late for me lately lol). The value in getting Game Pass on sale (i got 3 months free through MS rewards and just added 6 for 30 bucks on a sale) is insane. Enough new to me stuff gets added to make it worth the price of one 60 buck game new.

I do miss the lack of sales digitally vs. physical though. I get why it doesn't happen, but I'd like more parity there (or the trade in thing).

Ease of use is killer though. If you don't have multiple systems you don't realize the hate of going up/down stairs to get a disc.

[Bdubb]

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Anyone ever get a communication ban? This is my second in years so it's a week and I found the YouTube workaround where u can just go in a party mode with friends and use a second profile to talk so it essentially doesn't do much to me. It's just annoying I was playing a person in NBA 2k, the guy was pausing game and whenever he dunked or shot threes. I legit didn't do it once back to him mind you. Guy messages me after game and talks smack to me, like I'm a grown man I'll tell you to f off if you disrespect me. It just led nowhere so I blocked him. Log in today and im suspended for a week? I'm legit just never going to use a swear word apparently on Xbox live or respond to people. Like does the guy who reports me that used offensive language himself get a ban? I had trouble finding that on Google but seems a little ridiculous the person who starts swearing at me gets nothing because they reported me? Long story short but I miss the good old days anything would fly on Xbox live chat, don't feed trolls apparently.

[mestevo]

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Sounds like you took the bait. Probably didn't even need a person to review that report. None of the context matters if you cursed.

[Bdubb]

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Sounds like you took the bait. Probably didn't even need a person to review that report. None of the context matters if you cursed.

Absolutely did lol. I don't have a problem with it aslong as they suspend them too which frankly I don't know if they did. To add on found out he used different account to message me then the one he had played with, unreal the level people go to do this so I reported him for using ghost account to bait me lol.

[peter42O]

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1. Based on your flawed perception and acceptance of any FUD that serves your point, you'll be prematurely done w/ gaming (or silently eating crow) well before 2030-2035.

The things you should be asking yourself since you're presenting these opposing viewpoints:

2 - of the countries you claim that don't have the required infrastructure, what is their current console penetration?
3 - what metric are you actually looking at to say the infrastructure is inadequate?
4 - why should innovation be exclusive to the lowest common denominator?
5 - are 5 inch tablets or cell phones really the only alternative to your mid-sized TV?
6 - why do you feel you should only be able to play on your TV, and not also your tablet, your 15" laptop, should the purpose suit you - the same way you admit you watch Netflix, etc?
7 - 'digital sales won't be as good' ... I think you continue to ignore how big digital has become in the last few years

8. - Since you offered it as fact, which states 'don't have the internet speed that is required' out of curiosity?

9. I'm not sure anyone thinks discs will be outright gone, but you know those guys at the store still browsing CDs? That will be the state of disc-based gaming in the span of the next 'generation' (I discount using this word in this thread, since it really only exists for Sony at this point) based on current momentum. Gamestop will be gone by then, but the big box stores will have their token aisle still for Nintendo mostly since they tend to lag an iteration or two behind with their platforms.

Obviously, a long post so I spoiler tagged it.

Spoiler

1. Well before 2030? Next gen is already safe and sound. Will most likely last up to eight years especially if Sony and Microsoft hits on the specs that have been rumored. Would not rule out an eight year generation. This generation is going at least seven years with inferior consoles and tech so imagine next gen where the consoles won't be outdated for at least five years and even then, will still showcase amazing games. I see the next two generations supporting discs. Even if one (like Microsoft in 2013) tries to pull the same bullcrap, it will backfire because the other brand won't do the same.

Meaning that both would have to do it at the same time to start a generation but the problem with that is whoever announces it first, the other brand can sit back, see the feedback and act accordingly. I truly believe that it won't be until the 11th generation of consoles (PlayStation 7 and Xbox 6) that really starts to go into an all digital/streaming direction and even then, I still see it as 50/50 because here's the thing - once you FORCE/REQUIRE consumers to do something that they're not willing to do on their own (like some here do even though you have three options available to you), that's when the backlash against it all happens.

2. Europe has the biggest gaming fanbase with over 37M PS4 consoles sold and NA being second with around 31M PS4 consoles sold.

3. The metric of bullcrap. LOL. When you look at EVERY publisher when they releases their quarterly or fiscal year results, you rarely if ever see what the digital percentage is of only the games themselves. You always see it combined with content that simply isn't available physically which in turn heavily inflates the numbers. Does digital gaming increase monthly? Absolutely but nowhere near the ratio of what people think it is because again, it's highly inflated.

Also, every podcast I listen to which has people from regions in Europe as well as being in the mid-western states, they all say the internet infrastructure isn't great. It's good but not to say where it can run the upcoming Stadia in 4K. Not a shot in hell. Just researching all the bullcrap that was said during that reveal alone was enough valid information for me. And this does NOT include Data Caps or ISP's that throttle your internet speeds. Upstate NY doesn't have good internet because it's country, there's mountains and it's not a major city so that's also an area of concern. Major cities would be fine but all the rest, not so much.

4. I personally don't see how streaming games and taking your ownership of them and possibly charging you more with either no refunds or a timed refund opportunity as well as limits to how many times you can do this is innovative to me. If anything, it's restrictive because you would be forced to just game "this way".

5 and 6. You've misunderstood me. I don't have any problem with being able to game on a tablet or a cell phone if that's what you want to do but if it becomes to where I can only play games that way and can no longer play on a good sized TV, that becomes a restriction/requirement/forced to play a way in which I don't want to so why should/would I? As an option? Perfectly fine with it all but as the ONLY option? Hell no.

Also, HUGE difference between watching some movie or TV show on Netflix for 25-120 minutes at most compared to gaming say, 10-12 hours in a day. Not only because of the time difference but also because for me, those two forms of entertainment are secondary. If I don't ever watch say Game of Thrones, no big deal for me. But if say, I couldn't play GEARS 5 on my TV, I would be pissed off to the extreme. Obviously, this last part isn't going to happen. I'm just using it as an example.

7. Digital sales have become big. No doubt but again, they're highly inflated due to expansions, dlc's, season/expansion passes, cosmetics, themes, avatars, micro-transactions, etc. NONE of what I just mentioned can be purchased physically. It's all digital. Even if you buy a full game download code or season pass or whatever that I listed above at say, Best Buy, it still gets included into the publisher's figures as DIGITAL. Not physical.

Think of it this way.....say for example you buy a Microsoft published game digitally for $20 and you but $80 worth of cosmetic items for that game and Microsoft says they made $100 in digital sales. You're going to think wow, that's great but it's really not because the game itself only accounts for 20% of the actual money they made digitally. 80% is NOT the game. It's cosmetic garbage but it's used to inflate the numbers. This is not bullcrap. If anything, it's a known fact. Until publishers actually tell you that they made say $220m in digital sales for the quarter (or year, whatever, doesn't matter), it doesn't mean anything unless they give you the details, the breakdown, the pie chart if you will that states how much they actually made from ONLY the base game itself.

Until publishers start doing this which vast majority don't and won't because their numbers won't look as good as some think they are, it simply proves that digital game sales isn't as impressive as everyone thinks because if it was, every publisher would not only post the information, hell, that would shout it from rooftops.

8. Majority of the mid-western states that are more country than city have internet infrastructure issues. If you're in a city, you're most likely fine but outside of the city, not so much and even one major city which I believe is San Francisco if I remember correctly is where Colin Moriarty is based and he mentions all the internet issues he has there at least once a month on his podcast. I can only imagine what the country areas as well as other countries and regions especially if they're low income areas are like.

I wouldn't be surprised if it's a disaster. And here's another little tidbit that is simply a known issue - wireless connections are simply less reliable and stable than a hard wired connection so imagine trying to play some kind of game on a stable and consistent native 4K resolution at 60FPS. If a wireless connection isn't as good as hard wired just for say, downloading an Xbox One game like Cuphead for example, how the hell is anyone thinking that all of these companies are going to be able to run games at native 4K at 60FPS? LMAO. It's simply not going to happen, at least not for a long time.

9. Huge difference between CD's and gaming. First and foremost, gaming is simply way more profitable and a way bigger industry and business than music in general is. Also, music CD's for $10 isn't exactly comparable to a $60 retail game. The difference in regards to the margin of profit for an audio CD compared to say, buying every song digitally for $2 is actually pretty big. Don't know the actual figures but buying a 12 song CD for $2 a pop would already give you more than double and saves on the manufacturing and distribution cost. The only cost would probably be the small cut that the "host" takes.

I don't see this happening until 2030 at the earliest and even then, I think it would be more like less copies in stores as opposed to it being gone completely.

But hey, we'll just have to wait and see how it all plays out. All I will say is that im extremely confident in that I'll be gaming MY WAY for a very long time to come. We'll get to see how the streaming future goes later this with Stadia which I see as being dead by 2023 but that's just my own personal opinion. And if it makes you feel any better, despite not being a huge Xbox fan, I do believe that xCloud will easily be superior barring a screw up at Microsoft.