PlayStation 5

[Scott]

Re: PlayStation 5

Do you guys prefer resolution mode or performance on PS5?

Always performance

[illwill10]

Re: PlayStation 5

I usually favor Performance mode. But, I have went toward the VRR 40fps Quality mode when available. Games like Spider-Man 2 and Alan Wake 2 were worth it for me to play in 40fps. The RT made a big difference in Alan Wake 2 compared to Performance

[illwill10]

Re: PlayStation 5

Yep, I think this has been discussed before, but this console generation has really been kind of a bust. Honestly, I would have been perfectly fine for these past 4 years sticking to my PS4 (with the notable exception of College Football 25, which certainly looks like it easily could have been on PS4).

What has been better about this generation vs last gen? The games look a little better, but not enough to really notice unless you're doing a detailed side-by-side analysis. And I think you can make an argument that some games actually look iworse (e.g. NBA2K) than they did last gen.

I have never understood the 'games as a service' thing, and as of this gen, I don't even pay for PS plus as I don't play online often enough to make it worth my time. Also, with the way things are going vis-a-vis availability of games on PC, I see increasingly little reason to be on a console at all - especially since you can play online all you want for free if you're on PC.

At this point, I see no compelling reason for any future console generations. I'm sure they'll make them, but I personally will be sitting out whatever comes next, barring some really compelling unforeseen reason to upgrade.

I agree. I have zero regrets on buying the PS5(and now Pro). But in hindsight, if I could've waited until 3-4 years into generation to get a console, I would.

I do think the extended Cross gen period and live service has hurt this generation so far. Yes, the cross gen period usually lasts 3-4 years. But, I feel the early console shortages played a part. We just now seeing less cross gen games. I don't feel we've seen these games tap into the full potential of these consoles yet. I do feel that Sony has wasted years and resources on the failed live service phase.

At this point, I do hope they don't rush into the next generation. We've seen rumors of '27-28. But, I wouldn't mind '29-30 instead. Usually when we are 2-3 years away, we start hearing how developers already maxing out what the consoles are capable of. But, I feel we're no where close to seeing full potential. I don't think Xbox might have a hardware focus going forward. Plus, I think there's rumors of Xbox leaning towards Cloud base gaming. I would love to see another 4-5 years of current gen only games and see the full potential

[pietasterp]

Re: PlayStation 5

I agree. I have zero regrets on buying the PS5(and now Pro). But in hindsight, if I could've waited until 3-4 years into generation to get a console, I would.

I do think the extended Cross gen period and live service has hurt this generation so far. Yes, the cross gen period usually lasts 3-4 years. But, I feel the early console shortages played a part. We just now seeing less cross gen games. I don't feel we've seen these games tap into the full potential of these consoles yet. I do feel that Sony has wasted years and resources on the failed live service phase.

At this point, I do hope they don't rush into the next generation. We've seen rumors of '27-28. But, I wouldn't mind '29-30 instead. Usually when we are 2-3 years away, we start hearing how developers already maxing out what the consoles are capable of. But, I feel we're no where close to seeing full potential. I don't think Xbox might have a hardware focus going forward. Plus, I think there's rumors of Xbox leaning towards Cloud base gaming. I would love to see another 4-5 years of current gen only games and see the full potential

Totally agree on all points. This is a classic business-chasing-the-last-big-trend thing, but the whole industry chasing a 'live service' model reminds me a lot of how every business went chasing the "Keurig" model where you buy the item and then are 'locked in' to that ecosystem for recurring revenue forever. By and large, this model has been a failure for the majority of companies that tried to turn their products into recurring revenue models, and without turning this thread into the Wall Street Journal, one of the reasons seems to be because the whole 'Keurig' thing worked for that 1 use case (coffee pods) and not much else. Also, apropos of nothing, Keurig coffee is absolutely crap and everyone I have ever met hates it (it's just convenient is all). So there's that.

Anyway, back on topic, the 'games as a service' thing worked for a small number of breakout hits like Fortnite, but there is not an infinite appetite for Fortnite and the model doesn't really work for many types of games. A few good ones here and there can be profitable, but it was clearly a mistake to go chasing recurring revenue games at the expense of everything else (and especially at the expense of core competencies, e.g. high quality single player games like Uncharted, etc).

I am not a programmer, but I have a really hard time believing the PS5 is even close to optimized, especially when you see how much the base system is capable of when programmed well (God of War, Gran Turismo), and look at how amazing PS4 games were when optimized (RDR2). I suppose if "College Hoops 2K" ended up being a PS6 exclusive, I'd buy a new system, but unless that happens, I don't feel like a new generation of systems is needed anytime in the next decade or so.

[illwill10]

Re: PlayStation 5

We've also see publishers believe that Notable brand + GAAS= success, when that's far from the truth. We've seen how Avengers, Gotham Knight, Suicide Squad, and others flop because they thought having a notable brand would make a good GAAS game. Companies have to stop chasing a trend, and stay in their lane.

So far, I feel the focus has been on visuals primarily this generation. Games look pretty, but as far as game design, don't think there have been many games that have "Next gen" game design. There have been games that have current gen only because it forced RT full time. Gotham Knights is a game that should've been a cross gen, but it wanted to have RT always enabled. Spider-Man 2 is a game that could've probably been cross gen if it disabled RT and maybe take away the fast wind travel. Games look pretty, but I want to see more next gen game design. A couple of games I feel had that is Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart and Alan Wake 2. R&C with the rifts and AW2 because of the constant changing environments. I don't just want current gen equaling RT, high visual details, 60fps, and no load times

[Blzer]

Re: PlayStation 5

I'm looking forward to what the next generation of consoles will boast with AI advancements. I can't imagine how dynamic some NPC's would be able to act in a hypothetical RDR 3 or GTA 7 on a PS6, or what kinds of random events could generate from it.

I don't need any of that for another 5+ years, but that would be among the biggest advancements in next-gen evolution, in my opinion.

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[pietasterp]

Re: PlayStation 5

We've also see publishers believe that Notable brand + GAAS= success, when that's far from the truth. We've seen how Avengers, Gotham Knight, Suicide Squad, and others flop because they thought having a notable brand would make a good GAAS game. Companies have to stop chasing a trend, and stay in their lane.

So far, I feel the focus has been on visuals primarily this generation. Games look pretty, but as far as game design, don't think there have been many games that have "Next gen" game design. There have been games that have current gen only because it forced RT full time. Gotham Knights is a game that should've been a cross gen, but it wanted to have RT always enabled. Spider-Man 2 is a game that could've probably been cross gen if it disabled RT and maybe take away the fast wind travel. Games look pretty, but I want to see more next gen game design. A couple of games I feel had that is Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart and Alan Wake 2. R&C with the rifts and AW2 because of the constant changing environments. I don't just want current gen equaling RT, high visual details, 60fps, and no load times

I'm with you on all points, but do the games this gen even really look that much better? I haven't really seen too many games that have wow'd me with visuals on the PS5 to be honest. A few here-and-there. As I mentioned, RDR2 is the last game that really blew me away with visuals, and that was on PS4 (!). NBA2K actually looks worse to me than last gen.

But I'm with you that I'd like to see them do things with games to take advantage of the technology other than make the graphics slightly better. I'd be pretty disappointed if we've already past the peak of creativity in games and are now just going to see minimally incremental technical improvements...

[illwill10]

Re: PlayStation 5

I guess I would games have a higher level of visual Fidelity as opposed to "Looking better". I don't think we've seen a generational leap when it comes to graphics. I felt Uncharted 4 looked great on the PS4 and it didn't need a remaster. The Last of Us 2 remaster looked fantastic on the PS5 Pro, but I didn't play it on the PS4. RDR2 is a game that I want to see get a next gen patch. It still is a great visual experience that doesn't need a remaster. What we seen is better performance, RT, higher Fidelity, etc. I would consider the other generations PS2->PS3, PS3->PS4 leaps much bigger than PS4->PS5 when it comes to visuals.

I have no issues with visuals. We're at the point of diminishing returns. Unless you are expecting photo realistic visuals, there's only so much better visuals can get outside of higher Fidelity and details. I want to see better AI, "next gen" game design, higher CPU/Memory inclusion in games, etc in the PS6. But like I said, I would like to 2030 to be the earliest for PS6. Xbox is pretty much transitioning to Cloud gaming and becoming a Publisher. It's still crazy that games like Halo, Gears of War, Forza is coming to PlayStation. I don't see Xbox continuing hardware focus. So, no rush for Sony to rush out PS6

[Ghost Of The Year]

Re: PlayStation 5

I didn't truly get my money's worth out of the PS4 from 2014 to 2018, at which time I then upgraded to the pro. Enjoyed the PS4 then all the way up to I got my PS5. Right now the PS5 has started out for me the same way the PS4 started. I have no intention of upgrading to the PS5 pro anytime soon tho. Maybe when the PS6 comes out I'lll upgrade the PS5 to the PS5 pro. But for now I'll stick with the basic PS5.

[Ghost Of The Year]

Re: PlayStation 5

I didn't truly get my money's worth out of the PS4 from 2014 to 2018, at which time I then upgraded to the pro. Enjoyed the PS4 then all the way up to I got my PS5. Right now the PS5 has started out for me the same way the PS4 started. I have no intention of upgrading to the PS5 pro anytime soon tho. Maybe when the PS6 comes out I'lll upgrade the PS5 to the PS5 pro. But for now I'll stick with the basic PS5.

[pietasterp]

Re: PlayStation 5

I guess I would games have a higher level of visual Fidelity as opposed to "Looking better". I don't think we've seen a generational leap when it comes to graphics. I felt Uncharted 4 looked great on the PS4 and it didn't need a remaster. The Last of Us 2 remaster looked fantastic on the PS5 Pro, but I didn't play it on the PS4. RDR2 is a game that I want to see get a next gen patch. It still is a great visual experience that doesn't need a remaster. What we seen is better performance, RT, higher Fidelity, etc. I would consider the other generations PS2->PS3, PS3->PS4 leaps much bigger than PS4->PS5 when it comes to visuals.

I have no issues with visuals. We're at the point of diminishing returns. Unless you are expecting photo realistic visuals, there's only so much better visuals can get outside of higher Fidelity and details. I want to see better AI, "next gen" game design, higher CPU/Memory inclusion in games, etc in the PS6. But like I said, I would like to 2030 to be the earliest for PS6. Xbox is pretty much transitioning to Cloud gaming and becoming a Publisher. It's still crazy that games like Halo, Gears of War, Forza is coming to PlayStation. I don't see Xbox continuing hardware focus. So, no rush for Sony to rush out PS6

Yeah, I was hoping that AI could really help sports games the most - being able to play the CPU and have it mimic playing real life players would be nice, and I would have thought we'd be there by now (if you'd have asked me 10 years ago). I don't know what's going on under the hood of these games, but most sports games - and EA's games in particular - feel like the computer basically adjusts difficulty by reacting more-or-less perfectly to the play it already knows you have selected. I would really prefer that the CPU never knows your play (like human opponents), but uses the same processes humans use to counter you (reading your personnel, your formation, knowing your tendencies), to varying degrees of skill. Perhaps that's already what happens, but it sure doesn't seem like it when you play. Instead, I always feel like the CPU is sort of cheating more at higher difficulties, not that it is getting more clever or calling better plays.

Related to this, I would hope that AI would also make your teammates better, particularly on defense (where the lack of AI is most obvious), because most of defense in video games is more of an executive/overall activity, and not necessarily an individual activity (so you really rely on your CPU teammates to not be idiots). This feeling is only reinforced when I look at replays of when I get beat; the CPU basically makes my defender stop running or do something stupid, which is how guys get wide open for TD's. Sure this happens on occasion in real life, but it seems like my CPU teammates are slower to react to what I can see is going to happen than I would be.

I don't know why Microsoft would even release a new box. As you pointed out, it seems like they're just transitioning to being a multiplatform publisher, so I don't see any reason to release hardware, other than to basically be a streaming box for their online service. To me, this seems like a losing strategy, but I'm not in the business and I don't know their financials, so I can't intelligently comment. I just don't see a compelling reason to be on the XBox platform at this point, though - and I say that as someone who owned an original XBox and XBox360 (which I think is one of the best consoles ever, other than the SNES and Dreamcast).

I didn't truly get my money's worth out of the PS4 from 2014 to 2018, at which time I then upgraded to the pro. Enjoyed the PS4 then all the way up to I got my PS5. Right now the PS5 has started out for me the same way the PS4 started. I have no intention of upgrading to the PS5 pro anytime soon tho. Maybe when the PS6 comes out I'lll upgrade the PS5 to the PS5 pro. But for now I'll stick with the basic PS5.

I have the same feeling. I never felt like the PS4 was worth the generational jump, and just when it was seemingly getting worthwhile and hitting its stride, they moved on to the PS5. I have that feeling even more with the current gen. I see no reason to upgrade anytime in the next several years.

[Ghost Of The Year]

Re: PlayStation 5

It must be some serious problem for PlayStation Online if the system is still down.
I thought surely it would be fixed by noon today.

[jd@os]

Re: PlayStation 5

It must be some serious problem for PlayStation Online if the system is still down.
I thought surely it would be fixed by noon today.

Working for me now, but I have read about it working for others earlier only for them to get booted off later.

[Ghost Of The Year]

Re: PlayStation 5

Working for me now, but I have read about it working for others earlier only for them to get booted off later.

Yeah, mines back up too.

[dubcity]

Re: PlayStation 5

Maybe it's good for people to see just how useless some of these games are without a server connection. We've become way too comfortable with this always-online nonsense.