Spiderman 3 Chatter

[Hootiefish]

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I am really suprised by the reception that this movie is receiving from people. I personally enjoyed it, placing just below 2 but above 1 (because I hate the initial movie in any trilogy).

The first problem I see is that people are elevating Spiderman 1 & 2 to heights they never deserved. Watch them both again. The dialogue is cheesy, you have painful sappy moments (which are needed, but nonetheless painful), cheesy shots, corny humor, and underdeveloped storylines. Doc Oc was no more/less developed than Sandman.

The other issue is, and this is a slippery one, each medium is its own canon, just like each comic series has its own canon. If Venom refers to himself as Eddie, so be it. If Gwen gets thrown in for good measure, I can deal. I didn't go see the film to have the exact same story told that I had already read in the comics, I went to see a retelling - a reimagining if you will.

I guess that is why I was able to enjoy the film.

[JayBee74]

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Roeper and a guest host babe gave it two thumbs down.

[Blzer]

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Roeper and a guest host babe gave it two thumbs down.

These are the same guys that gave Broken Flowers two thumbs up. Nothing to see here.

[Kelverin]

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(because I hate the initial movie in any trilogy).

Seriously? Star Wars, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Godfather, Jaws, Batman, Superman, Lord of the Rings? You consider the follow up movies to be better? Out of those listed only Godfather 2 comes close to the original.

[Hootiefish]

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Seriously? Star Wars, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Godfather, Jaws, Batman, Superman, Lord of the Rings? You consider the follow up movies to be better? Out of those listed only Godfather 2 comes close to the original.

Let me rephrase that. I usually hate (or don't like nearly as much) the initial story in a trilogy. There is usually too much fluffy backstory for the uninformed.

To respond to your quote: Empire is better than A New Hope; Raiders is superior to all three; Godfather is the greatest movie of all time; there is only one Jaws film (the others were crap); Batman Forever is my personal favorite; liked the retelling of Superman better than the original; and Two Towers & Return of the King are better than Fellowship. Whew.

[JayBee74]

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These are the same guys that gave Broken Flowers two thumbs up. Nothing to see here.

I don't know how the guest host graded "Broken Flowers" but Ebert's vote for Spidey 3 was not recorded because he is still recovering from surgery associated with his removal of cancer a while back. As far as "Broken Flowers" is concerned many critics gave it a "thumbs up". As far as "Nothing to see here", it's just an opinion from a couple of pro critics, no more important than yours or mine, but not to be dismissed just because it was presented to the masses.

[Blzer]

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Ha, I know... but I just tend to get angered at those guys for underrating what a lot of people consider better movies, and the other way around.

[sva91]

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This movie sucked really bad. Im not a spiderman ***** or anything, but man it was soo stupid. The new Emo Peter Parker didnt really help. Once Parker started playing the piano and dancing in the jazz club, I knew it was over. I was ready to get up and leave at that point. This movie made me appreciate Batman Begins even more.

[Fresh Tendrils]

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The first problem I see is that people are elevating Spiderman 1 & 2 to heights they never deserved. Watch them both again. The dialogue is cheesy, you have painful sappy moments (which are needed, but nonetheless painful), cheesy shots, corny humor, and underdeveloped storylines. Doc Oc was no more/less developed than Sandman.

I disagree, especially with the development of Doc Oc and Sandman. Flint got maybe 5 minutes (at the most) prior to becoming Sandman and his backstory never really connected with me. At least with Doc Oc you saw him for more than 5 minutes plus he had a connection with Peter that played throughout the the film. After Flint becomes Sandman and his encounter with Spiderman, he disappears until the end of the movie. In the words of Eddie Brock, "What the hell!?" Speaking of Eddie Brock, his character was too flat. He should have been brought in during the first movie, even if it was just a reference, but his character should have started with one of the movies before this so that the competition (and hatred) between Brock and Parker could actually develop instead of just happening. The whole Venom thing was terrible. My friend asked me why Eddie Brock was transformed into Venom while all Peter got was a black-spiderman suit. I couldn't explain that to her with what the movie provided. I never really thought Brock hated Peter THAT much. I still felt like Grace and Church did terrific jobs with what they had to go with.

I don't hate this movie, I wouldn't mind seeing it again if I didn't have to pay for my ticket. Sure all the movies had cheesy dialogue and sappy moments, but I felt like it was forced a lot more in 3 than the previous two. The whole movie just felt rushed and forced to me.

[Altimus]

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And THAT'S exactly why I said they put too much in this film. Where was the struggle of Venom and Brock? No reference to 'us' or 'we?' Hell, he never once called himself Venom. NOT ONCE. You can't really call him Venom b/c of that. Raimi ignored it completely.

And what about Venom's claim of innocence? "We were innocent once..." No real worry over others... just a crazed lunatic wanting to kill Peter, only a part of the Venom/Brock persona. The Venom character in the film looked awesome... but that's about it. I don't understand how anyone can feel the movie justified how deep a character he is.

I'm kind of now wishing Venom wasn't in this movie at all, or a at the complete end.

What I mean is I feel as they now wasted Venom in this movie. They should have dedicated the entire movie to the black suit, explained it in better detail and go with that. Then at the end have the church transformation happen and just leave Venom at that. Some of us would be really disappointed still with that but that would be a beautiful setup for a fourth one Spider-Man VS Venom. There they could explain Venom/Brock more so the audience could understand.

And having Stacey as Brock's GF is a OK idea to give Brock more hate for Parker but Gwen and Brock were two different time zones.

You wait so long to see Venom on the big screens and you finally do and it's pretty disgraceful. Venom is my all time favorite character and to see what Raimi did to him just ticks me off. Other then the visuals Venom had, were excellent for the most part, everything else was horrible.

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Also didn't like the idea of the symbiote falling out of space feet next to Peter. They used an astronaut in the second movie, Jameson's son. They could have easily tied that some how into the third one.

[jmood88]

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I'm kind of now wishing Venom wasn't in this movie at all, or a at the complete end.

What I mean is I feel as they now wasted Venom in this movie. They should have dedicated the entire movie to the black suit, explained it in better detail and go with that. Then at the end have the church transformation happen and just leave Venom at that. Some of us would be really disappointed still with that but that would be a beautiful setup for a fourth one Spider-Man VS Venom. There they could explain Venom/Brock more so the audience could understand.

And having Stacey as Brock's GF is a OK idea to give Brock more hate for Parker but Gwen and Brock were two different time zones.

You wait so long to see Venom on the big screens and you finally do and it's pretty disgraceful. Venom is my all time favorite character and to see what Raimi did to him just ticks me off. Other then the visuals Venom had, were excellent for the most part, everything else was horrible.

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Also didn't like the idea of the symbiote falling out of space feet next to Peter. They used an astronaut in the second movie, Jameson's son. They could have easily tied that some how into the third one.

I haven't seen it yet but I don't get why they felt the need to put two main villains(especially a guy like sandman) in instead of just focusing on the venom saga.

[Hootiefish]

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My friend asked me why Eddie Brock was transformed into Venom while all Peter got was a black-spiderman suit. I couldn't explain that to her with what the movie provided. I never really thought Brock hated Peter THAT much.

My assumption was that the symbiote bonded with Peter's suit rather than Peter himself (he was wearing the suit when he was "bonded"). With Brock, the symbiote actually attached to the flesh of Brock initially. I don't know if that was what they were going for, but it makes sense to me.


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I agree with you that Flint disappeared for far too long, and then kinda gave up at the end for no reason. I didn't like that part. I just don't think the film is as bad as some people would have you believe. Now X-Men 3, that was a disappointing finale.






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Supposed finales are a tough pill for most fans to swallow, because they rarely answer all questions, and if they do they are criticized for it. They rarely end up being what most fans have envisioned as the perfect ending. Remember Matrix Revolutions? A very good film, but one that was destroyed by fanboys of the series because they a) killed their beloved Neo and Trinity and b) left just as many questions as answers. Endings are, for the most part, a lose/lose situation for writers.

[Altimus]

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My assumption was that the symbiote bonded with Peter's suit rather than Peter himself (he was wearing the suit when he was "bonded"). With Brock, the symbiote actually attached to the flesh of Brock initially. I don't know if that was what they were going for, but it makes sense to me.

That idea I didn't understand either. The symbiote bonds with a living host or else it doesn't survive. It also gives the power to change suits/cloths. The way the movie did it was weird.

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Especially when he tore the symbiote off in the end. He was just like naked. Even though it was attached to the suit and not him. They started off with the suit and then ended it with just skin.

[Hootiefish]

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That idea I didn't understand either. The symbiote bonds with a living host or else it doesn't survive. It also gives the power to change suits/cloths. The way the movie did it was weird.

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Especially when he tore the symbiote off in the end. He was just like naked. Even though it was attached to the suit and not him. They started off with the suit and then ended it with just skin.

But you need to remember that this isn't an exact retelling of the comic book. They can alter the canon whatever way they wish in order for it to fit. Remember when everyone was initially up in arms because Peter was able to generate his webbing rather than needing to build the wrist thingies? Same thing. The movie is completely different from the comic book.

[Beantown]

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And having Stacey as Brock's GF is a OK idea to give Brock more hate for Parker but Gwen and Brock were two different time zones.

I got the impression they weren't actually going out. Just looked like Brock had an obsession and wanted to go out, since we never actually saw them together.