Spiderman 3 Chatter

[Altimus]

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I got the impression they weren't actually going out. Just looked like Brock had an obsession and wanted to go out, since we never actually saw them together.

Hmm never thought about it that way. I remember when Spidey rescued her and she was about to run to her father and Brock interrupted her and said "thank god your okay" and she had a look like who the hell are you?

[Beantown]

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Hmm never thought about it that way. I remember when Spidey rescued her and she was about to run to her father and Brock interrupted her and said "thank god your okay" and she had a look like who the hell are you?

Yeah.

Brock tells Gwen's father that they're going out, but there are only two times they are seen together.

1) The scene you mentioned.
2) The "key-to-the-city" celebration, where he takes her picture.

Both times she looks at him confused. Then she immediately goes to Peter without any break-up scene, etc. I really don't think they were ever together, but Brock was just obsessed, which IMO furthered his character as it shows the obsession factor. Obsessed with her, obsessed with pictures, obsessed with getting the job, and then obsessed with revenge.

[Fresh Tendrils]

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But you need to remember that this isn't an exact retelling of the comic book. They can alter the canon whatever way they wish in order for it to fit. Remember when everyone was initially up in arms because Peter was able to generate his webbing rather than needing to build the wrist thingies? Same thing. The movie is completely different from the comic book.

Whether the Venom/symbiote was was a retelling of the comic or not, the character wasn't developed at all. It felt like it just happened. Had Brock (or at the very least Brock and Parker's relationship) been more developed, Venom would have been better. Why is Brock affected completely different than Peter? I know Connors said it "amplified characteristics of its host" but I never felt like Brock was that obsessive or hated Parker that much. Like I said earlier, I feel like Brock's character could have been stronger had he been introduced earlier in the series. Then have Parker and Brock's little competition run throughout the series, coming to a boil and climax with the staff job competition and then the whole Venom thing would have made a lot more sense. I never felt like there was a connection between Parker and Brock/Venom and what I really loved about the first two is how strong of a connection Peter had with the villains. Even the Sandman connection felt like a hack-job, albeit to a lesser extent than the Venom one.

[Pared]

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Yeah.

Brock tells Gwen's father that they're going out, but there are only two times they are seen together.

1) The scene you mentioned.
2) The "key-to-the-city" celebration, where he takes her picture.

Both times she looks at him confused. Then she immediately goes to Peter without any break-up scene, etc. I really don't think they were ever together, but Brock was just obsessed, which IMO furthered his character as it shows the obsession factor. Obsessed with her, obsessed with pictures, obsessed with getting the job, and then obsessed with revenge.

Good job, I'm sure that's what Raimi was going for. That's how I took it.

Whomever mentioned the Astronaut scene from 2 had pretty much what I BET was how they would introduced venom.... that stupid meteor right at their feet? That was pretty damn stupid.

Venom, aside from his CGI visuals, was a complete waste in this film. I'd rather have had Raimi not include him at all.

Glad I can finally let my feelings out. I was holding back my thoughts so as to not ruin anyone else's experience. Everyone at the premiere was caught up in the hype and was cheering like crazy... including me. But deep down inside... I felt dirty.

[Pared]

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Whether the Venom/symbiote was was a retelling of the comic or not, the character wasn't developed at all. It felt like it just happened. Had Brock (or at the very least Brock and Parker's relationship) been more developed, Venom would have been better. Why is Brock affected completely different than Peter? I know Connors said it "amplified characteristics of its host" but I never felt like Brock was that obsessive or hated Parker that much. Like I said earlier, I feel like Brock's character could have been stronger had he been introduced earlier in the series. Then have Parker and Brock's little competition run throughout the series, coming to a boil and climax with the staff job competition and then the whole Venom thing would have made a lot more sense. I never felt like there was a connection between Parker and Brock/Venom and what I really loved about the first two is how strong of a connection Peter had with the villains. Even the Sandman connection felt like a hack-job, albeit to a lesser extent than the Venom one.

Absolutely.

[ODogg]

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I got the impression they weren't actually going out. Just looked like Brock had an obsession and wanted to go out, since we never actually saw them together.

But t when he was taking her picture didn't he say something like "I'll see you tonight" and she said "ok" or something, as if they actually had a date?

[pfunk880]

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Seriously? Star Wars, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Godfather, Jaws, Batman, Superman, Lord of the Rings? You consider the follow up movies to be better? Out of those listed only Godfather 2 comes close to the original.

Empire Strikes Back was better than A New Hope.

[CaptainZombie]

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I enjoyed Spidey 3 for what it is, but there are things that bug me like they have for most of us on this board. I will agree that Venom was introduced and rushed way too soon, and a build-up over the previous movies would have been the solution.

I think that they really should have introduced Eddie Brock in Spidey 1 as just Eddie Brock and no mere mention of Venom or the symbiote. Having Parker and Brock competing for a daily bugle job throughout the first 2 movies would have been the ideal situation for building up to Spiderman 3 and the introduction of the Symbiote. Having no real back story on Eddie Brock made the character feel rushed and weak to non comic book fans.

Introducing the symbiote at the beginning of Spidey 3 would have been so much better with working on the black suit premise and only at the end of the movie do we see the bonding of Brock and the symbiote to form Venom leaving things open for Spidey 4. Heading into Spidey 4, then having Spidey vs.Venom as the main premise would have been cool. Instead of Venom being killed at the end of the movie, lock him up in jail with his cellmate Mr. Cletus Kasady and the birth of Carnage.

I think that they did a fine job with what they had here, but I feel like it went into way too many directions. Spidey 3 should have been about the Sandman, Pete’s conflicts with Harry and Mary Jane, and the birth of Venom at the end of the movie.

Gwen Stacy should also have been introduced from the beginning just like Eddie Brock, helping build up these important Spidey characters.

[Moses Shuttlesworth]

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I enjoyed Spidey 3 for what it is, but there are things that bug me like they have for most of us on this board. I will agree that Venom was introduced and rushed way too soon, and a build-up over the previous movies would have been the solution.

I think that they really should have introduced Eddie Brock in Spidey 1 as just Eddie Brock and no mere mention of Venom or the symbiote. Having Parker and Brock competing for a daily bugle job throughout the first 2 movies would have been the ideal situation for building up to Spiderman 3 and the introduction of the Symbiote. Having no real back story on Eddie Brock made the character feel rushed and weak to non comic book fans.

Introducing the symbiote at the beginning of Spidey 3 would have been so much better with working on the black suit premise and only at the end of the movie do we see the bonding of Brock and the symbiote to form Venom leaving things open for Spidey 4. Heading into Spidey 4, then having Spidey vs.Venom as the main premise would have been cool. Instead of Venom being killed at the end of the movie, lock him up in jail with his cellmate Mr. Cletus Kasady and the birth of Carnage.

I think that they did a fine job with what they had here, but I feel like it went into way too many directions. Spidey 3 should have been about the Sandman, Pete’s conflicts with Harry and Mary Jane, and the birth of Venom at the end of the movie.

Gwen Stacy should also have been introduced from the beginning just like Eddie Brock, helping build up these important Spidey characters.

That's like...perfect

[ExtremeGamer]

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I enjoyed Spidey 3 for what it is, but there are things that bug me like they have for most of us on this board. I will agree that Venom was introduced and rushed way too soon, and a build-up over the previous movies would have been the solution.

I think that they really should have introduced Eddie Brock in Spidey 1 as just Eddie Brock and no mere mention of Venom or the symbiote. Having Parker and Brock competing for a daily bugle job throughout the first 2 movies would have been the ideal situation for building up to Spiderman 3 and the introduction of the Symbiote. Having no real back story on Eddie Brock made the character feel rushed and weak to non comic book fans.

Introducing the symbiote at the beginning of Spidey 3 would have been so much better with working on the black suit premise and only at the end of the movie do we see the bonding of Brock and the symbiote to form Venom leaving things open for Spidey 4. Heading into Spidey 4, then having Spidey vs.Venom as the main premise would have been cool. Instead of Venom being killed at the end of the movie, lock him up in jail with his cellmate Mr. Cletus Kasady and the birth of Carnage.

I think that they did a fine job with what they had here, but I feel like it went into way too many directions. Spidey 3 should have been about the Sandman, Pete’s conflicts with Harry and Mary Jane, and the birth of Venom at the end of the movie.

Gwen Stacy should also have been introduced from the beginning just like Eddie Brock, helping build up these important Spidey characters.

You basically just rehashed everything everyone's said, it's a shame, but when they did Spiderman 1 with Mary Jane over Gwen Stacy and not having her die like in the comics, you knew the whole universe had changed. I mean, the comic fans would have loved Gwen dying in the first movie by Goblin/Spidey, but at the same time, the other 99% of the movie goers would have hated it.

I totally agree on Venom though, Spidey wore the black suit for over a year, could have had him wear it all movie and even start Venom in the 4th movie (which is what Raimi wanted, he didn't want Venom in 3 at all).

Your post sums up just about all of the complaints though.

[CaptainZombie]

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You basically just rehashed everything everyone's said, it's a shame, but when they did Spiderman 1 with Mary Jane over Gwen Stacy and not having her die like in the comics, you knew the whole universe had changed. I mean, the comic fans would have loved Gwen dying in the first movie by Goblin/Spidey, but at the same time, the other 99% of the movie goers would have hated it.

I totally agree on Venom though, Spidey wore the black suit for over a year, could have had him wear it all movie and even start Venom in the 4th movie (which is what Raimi wanted, he didn't want Venom in 3 at all).

Your post sums up just about all of the complaints though.

Yeah, that is how I pretty much feel about this movie, pretty similar to what many of the other OSer's do. I really wish they would have fleshed out some of the characters more. Look at what they have done with Dr. Connors, they have briefly introduced him in all 3 movies setting up some of his backstory. I find that approach to be rather excellent. Granted it can't be done with all the characters, but Eddie Brock/Venom would have been a good choice to be developed in this manner. This could have really also opened the doors for hints or cameo of Cletus (Carnage) in Spidey 4.

Do I still like this movie? Of course, this is better than any of the crap Superman III and IV, Batman Forever, etc. that they just released with money on their mind.

[ExtremeGamer]

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That's one thing that bugs me. They've used Dr. Conners a lot in the last 2 movies, not once mentioning how he lost his arm. If they are going to use him as the Lizard, they they should probably used something quick at least to just say he's trying to grow his arm back. Just a thought.

[Kelverin]

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Empire Strikes Back was better than A New Hope.

Hmmm no, Star Wars is the best.

Anyway looking forward to seeing Spider-Man 3 some time this week.

[triplej96]

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Hmmm no, Star Wars is the best.

Anyway looking forward to seeing Spider-Man 3 some time this week.

Empire was better as was spiderman 2.

[Kelverin]

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Empire was better

It's all a matter of taste I prefer to think of Vader as not being Luke's father. He never was meant to be you know, I like the story/history of Vader as told by Kenobi. Empire turned him into a Liar and ruined his character for me. Leia was never meant to be Luke's sister either on and on and on. I also blame Empire for ruining the rest of the series, however it is still the second best. I think I saw it 25 times when I was kid, hard to fight nostalgia.

Back on topic. They should have waited another couple of films before they had Venom show up.