Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen

[GAMEC0CK2002]

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You have to believe the stereotypes to even by offended by them in the first place.

Completely disagree as your statement implies a contradiction. You don't have to believe in something to be offended by it. The fact that is is NOT true is why it IS offensive.

[Leon]

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Because it wasn't very coherent.

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If the Fallen was around so long, why did he just act now? How was it that he was able to suddenly leave Cybertron after Prime died when he looked like he was on the verge of death scenes before?

How is Prime a descendant of the original Primes and Megatron not when technically they both ruled Cybertron.

Where did all those damn Decepticons come from when Star Scream admitted that they didn't have enough energon to sustain any of those hatchlings.

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Fallen only acted when he did because, as they mentioned alot, only a Prime could defeat him. Assuming he was scared to act while Optimus Prime was alive, he took his opportunity when Megatron killed him. Also, that wasn't Cybertron. Cybertron is destroyed.

For Megatron, perhaps Wikipedia or some other source would help. I'm not fully-versed on the backstory although I know my fair-share.

Lastly, all those darn Decepticons. Remember, alot of the bots left Cybertron, both Autobots and Decepticons. All those "new" ones were basically survivors. Starscream was basically trying to create new Decepticons but couldn't because of the lack of Energon.

My verdict in a few simple words: It was a pretty cool and enjoyable movie. It didn't have the same magic as the first one did but I still enjoyed watching it.

I kinda didn't like how they just made Mikaela (Megan Fox) more slutty though. It was nice eye-candy but they could've done more with the character. At least (for me anyway) Sam had some progression. Also,

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that dream sequence with the Primes while they were trying to revive Sam was unintentionally hilarious.

Can't wait to watch it again on IMAX.

[Cj7298419]

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Completely disagree as your statement implies a contradiction. You don't have to believe in something to be offended by it. The fact that is is NOT true is why it IS offensive.

Very true. Having two jive-talking gold-teethed robots is offensive if you ask me. And don't try to put me in the category of "america's sad future" and whatnot.

[marshallfever]

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Fallen only acted when he did because, as they mentioned alot, only a Prime could defeat him. Assuming he was scared to act while Optimus Prime was alive, he took his opportunity when Megatron killed him. Also, that wasn't Cybertron. Cybertron is destroyed.

For Megatron, perhaps Wikipedia or some other source would help. I'm not fully-versed on the backstory although I know my fair-share.

Lastly, all those darn Decepticons. Remember, alot of the bots left Cybertron, both Autobots and Decepticons. All those "new" ones were basically survivors. Starscream was basically trying to create new Decepticons but couldn't because of the lack of Energon.

My verdict in a few simple words: It was a pretty cool and enjoyable movie. It didn't have the same magic as the first one did but I still enjoyed watching it.

I kinda didn't like how they just made Mikaela (Megan Fox) more slutty though. It was nice eye-candy but they could've done more with the character. At least (for me anyway) Sam had some progression. Also,

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that dream sequence with the Primes while they were trying to revive Sam was unintentionally hilarious.

Can't wait to watch it again on IMAX.

Interesting

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but they lacked explaining the human looking Decepticon and didn't even make a big deal out of it when its a huge deal.

I still felt as if the story was very poor and even worst poorly told

The Megan Fox thing, i actually didn't see it being as bad as people are making it out to be. Yes she was a little more revealing, but it definitely didn't take away from the already poor plot. She was backdrop eye candy

[Leon]

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Interesting

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but they lacked explaining the human looking Decepticon and didn't even make a big deal out of it when its a huge deal.

I still felt as if the story was very poor and even worst poorly told

True, that wasn't really explained and they could've used that long-running time explaining something substantial.

It is a part of Transformers lore though if you look it up.

As for the story, people will just agree to disagree. It wasn't great by any means but it was good enough for me.

[Altimus]

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I'm glad they made it that way though. They definitely had him as too weak in the first movie. In the cartoons Prime would always woop on Megatron aside from the time that Megatron took all the Decepticons powers prior to fighting Prime.

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Yep, I agree because as mentioned, he was portrayed way too weakly in the first.

Also loved the Optimus Prime trash talk when he was beating up on everyone.

[dossier]

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It's not Michael Bay's fault you connect those two robots with black people. It's your's.

Jeez some people are acting like this movie was supposed to be an oscar worthy drama.

WTH did you expect?

[SuperBowlNachos]

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Very true. Having two jive-talking gold-teethed robots is offensive if you ask me. And don't try to put me in the category of "america's sad future" and whatnot.

Not sure how a jive talking gold toothed robot is offensive.

How come people like you instantly think robots like Jazz and the Twins were black? You are the problem with today's world.

It's not Michael Bay's fault you connect those two robots with black people. It's your's.

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[Fresh Tendrils]

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It's not Michael Bay's fault you connect those two robots with black people. It's your's.

That's ridiculous. What of the others throughout the film? The most blatant one to me being the buck-toothed guy in the deli? What was the point of that?

[SuperBowlNachos]

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That's ridiculous. What of the others throughout the film? The most blatant one to me being the buck-toothed guy in the deli? What was the point of that?

I slightly remember this scene as I saw the movie at midnight. What happened and what stereotype did you instantly think of when you saw this?

[cubsfan203]

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The sad thing is, if it weren't for them being robots this would even be a big deal. I can't even begin to count how many movies I've seen with steroetypes in them, but not once was a big deal made about any of them.

Who cares if they gave the robots personalities? The movie would be extremely boring if they all acted/sounded the same. I don't hear people complaining about the British accent on the one robot, or the northern accent on the other. People just want something else to complain about. A lot ot the people making a big deal about it are probably also in the group of Michael Bay haters that will attack anything that they think makes his movie look bad.

[Fresh Tendrils]

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I slightly remember this scene as I saw the movie at midnight. What happened and what stereotype did you instantly think of when you saw this?

Sector 7 guy told the dude to do something and he just stood there with his big-*** tooth hanging out of his mouth and S7 yelled at him again. The whole character was ridiculous and obviously not meant for anything other then juvenile laughs. Blaming the audience for "connecting" these characters to stereotypes is beyond ridiculous. Bay clearly had reasons for including these characters and their specific traits in his film to provide cheap, immature and unintelligent laughs. Just because a person can see what stereotype Bay is pushing towards doesn't mean the person actually believes in the stereotype.

[stizz]

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It was for the laughs. No one I've talked to that have seen the movie said anything about the so called stereotypes. I think people are just trying to find anything negative about the film to bring it down.

[Fresh Tendrils]

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There's plenty of negatives to take it down, people don't need to bring up the "comedic" bits.

[Laettner32]

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There's plenty of negatives to take it down, people don't need to bring up the "comedic" bits.

I'm not black..or white. But I would LOVE to see a breakdown of the two in regards to whether those two autobots were "racial stereotypes" or not.

I'm Mexican...err..Mexican-American errr..Hispanic/Latino/Chicano whatever the hell you wanna call me. And after awhile it does get old seeing everyone "of us" with a thick accent, or working in the janitorial/landscaping sciences. I have a large family (duh.) and none of us work in either capacity. Not to disrespect either as I don't have the cajones to do either one.

But when I saw "the gold tooth" and the "can't read" parts, it was like aim a little higher, not much...but a little higher than that.