*** LOST: Season 5 Discussion***

[USF11]

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Also, whose side is Christian and Claire on?

Remember it was Christian in the Chair in the old shack according to the vid caps.

Then you have the new people saying Jacob hasnt been here for a long time..........

[fistofrage]

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Also, whose side is Christian and Claire on?

Remember it was Christian in the Chair in the old shack according to the vid caps.

Then you have the new people saying Jacob hasnt been here for a long time..........

It would seem like Claire is dead. Have we ever seen a live person be duplicated by Smokey? SO Claire and Christian are manifestations of Smokey I would guess. This means they play for the blacks. I think the smoke monster somehow "trapped" Jacob in the temple or tricked Jacob out of the Cabin and he resides solely in the temple. Smokey owned the cabin that was previously Jacobs in 2004 through 2007.

It would seem that Jacob had the upperhand over smokey, but Jacob kept bringing people to the island and now he has done something that created this loophole that gave smokey the possibility of breaking out of Jacob's control. The funny thing is, Jacob knew he would eventually create this loophole but he kept bringing people to the island anyway. Like it was only a matter of time before this would all play out.

I think I'll watch that episode again this weekend.

[USF11]

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It would seem like Claire is dead. Have we ever seen a live person be duplicated by Smokey? SO Claire and Christian are manifestations of Smokey I would guess. This means they play for the blacks. I think the smoke monster somehow "trapped" Jacob in the temple or tricked Jacob out of the Cabin and he resides solely in the temple. Smokey owned the cabin that was previously Jacobs in 2004 through 2007.

It would seem that Jacob had the upperhand over smokey, but Jacob kept bringing people to the island and now he has done something that created this loophole that gave smokey the possibility of breaking out of Jacob's control. The funny thing is, Jacob knew he would eventually create this loophole but he kept bringing people to the island anyway. Like it was only a matter of time before this would all play out.

I think I'll watch that episode again this weekend.

Then the question becomes why take the form of christian? He doesn't have any know link to the island other then fathering claire and jack. Plus wasnt there a scene with both Claire and Christian in a room at the same time? Can Smokey be two people at once?

[fistofrage]

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Then the question becomes why take the form of christian? He doesn't have any know link to the island other then fathering claire and jack. Plus wasnt there a scene with both Claire and Christian in a room at the same time? Can Smokey be two people at once?

I don't have the answers, hopefully they are revealed.

One theory is that Christian was somehow connected to the isalnd. He Dies in Australia and had to be taken to LA to pass by the island in order to have the random shot of landing on it. Just as Locke had to die to bring the Losties back together.

Thats the only plausible theory that I have heard that makes sense.

Or it could be that Smokey can only play the part of dead people and at the time of the crash, he was the 1st dead person he found.(Can't remember if anyone died in the crash) I know the sherriff died shortly after.

[Coug00]

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Then the question becomes why take the form of christian? He doesn't have any know link to the island other then fathering claire and jack. Plus wasnt there a scene with both Claire and Christian in a room at the same time? Can Smokey be two people at once?

And even though it wasn't at the same place, Smokey would have to be Locke and Christian on two different islands at the same time. Lipedus and Sun talked to Christian in the Dharma barracks while Bad Locke was with Ben on the other island.

The difference between Claire/Christian and Locke is that there's a body with Locke. There wasn't one with Claire or Christian.

And has anyone ever read "Everything That Rises Must Converge"? That's the book Jacob was reading before Locke fell out the window. Here's the summary from Wiki...

In the story, human weaknesses are exposed and important moral questions are explored through everyday situations. Critics view the story as a prime example of O’Connor’s literary skills and moral views. In the story an arrogant young man takes a fateful bus trip with his bigoted mother. The mother doesn’t like to ride the recently racially integrated bus alone. Their relationship shows tensions when a black mother and son enters the bus. Through irony, the blindness and ignorance of the characters are exposed. The title Everything That Rises Must Converge refers to an underlying religious message central to her work: aiming to expose the sinful nature of humanity that often goes unrecognized in the modern, secular world.

[matthewk]

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Have any of the follownig questions been answered yet? It's hard to keep track of what's been answered/ figured out and what is still a mystery.

1) What is the 2nd island? At the end of season 4, only one island vanished, but I didn't notice any others.

2) Why did Locke lose his ability to walk way back in season 2(?) when Boone was up in the drug-runners plane? At the time, the theory was that the island was keeping him from helping Boone, but that really doesn't fit now.

I know there are 1,000 other unanswered questions, but these are 2 I am hoping can be explained by now.

[matthewk]

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Seperate thought based on the finale: Are Jacob and Widmore working together? When Syiad's wife gets killed, Jacob seems to be the one that caused it. However, back when Ben told him who killed her there was a traffic photo of the driver. We were led to believe that it was one of Widmore's henchmen that did it.

I also seem to recall a scene where one of the Losties was not only visited by Jacob, but also by Widmore. I'll have to find the scene on Youtube to verify this.

So now there are "loopholes" and "rules" for the island. I hope these get explained clearly by the end of next season.

[matthewk]

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I don't think smokey has been Christian or Claire. Christian's ody wasn't in the coffin when Jack found it, but with Locke they have his body. Also, Jack has seen Christian off the island, while smokey is seemingly trapped on the island.

As for Claire, we never see her die, so I bet she's still alive. She sees Christian as Jack does, and is prbably staying with him because either she thinks it's really her dad come back to life, or it's a ghost. Either way, she seems to have been drawn to him enough to leave Aaron behind. Hope that gets answered in 2010 as well.

My biggest fear fo rthe series is that they leave too many questions unanswered. It's going to be a tough job to tie up all the loose ends they have left so far. I am still holding out a glimmer of hope that Walt's powers and the numbers get a proper explaination, and are not just dropped from the story. Way too much was made of these for them to be discarded.

[rockchisler]

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I don't think smokey has been Christian or Claire. Christian's ody wasn't in the coffin when Jack found it, but with Locke they have his body. Also, Jack has seen Christian off the island, while smokey is seemingly trapped on the island.

As for Claire, we never see her die, so I bet she's still alive. She sees Christian as Jack does, and is prbably staying with him because either she thinks it's really her dad come back to life, or it's a ghost. Either way, she seems to have been drawn to him enough to leave Aaron behind. Hope that gets answered in 2010 as well.

My biggest fear fo rthe series is that they leave too many questions unanswered. It's going to be a tough job to tie up all the loose ends they have left so far. I am still holding out a glimmer of hope that Walt's powers and the numbers get a proper explaination, and are not just dropped from the story. Way too much was made of these for them to be discarded.

Thats why I would love to see a theater release trilogy 2 1/2 hours each after it goes off the air.

[soltrain]

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Seperate thought based on the finale: Are Jacob and Widmore working together? When Syiad's wife gets killed, Jacob seems to be the one that caused it. However, back when Ben told him who killed her there was a traffic photo of the driver. We were led to believe that it was one of Widmore's henchmen that did it.

I don't think Jacob caused her to get hit, but I think he knew it was going to happen and saved Sayid (Nadia wasn't special, Jacob had no interest in her life). I also think Ben is lying about people killing Nadia. Ben saw an opportunity to get people killed that he wanted dead, so he made up a lie about people "gunning" for Sayid and his friends.

Jacob then used this opportunity that Ben used and recruited his friend for help to get Sayid back to the Island.

[fistofrage]

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I don't think Jacob caused her to get hit, but I think he knew it was going to happen and saved Sayid (Nadia wasn't special, Jacob had no interest in her life). I also think Ben is lying about people killing Nadia. Ben saw an opportunity to get people killed that he wanted dead, so he made up a lie about people "gunning" for Sayid and his friends.

Jacob then used this opportunity that Ben used and recruited his friend for help to get Sayid back to the Island.

Th whole thing is Odd because Sayid was right there. Looked to be an accident how she died, not a contract hit on her. Didn't look like a murder.

Are these Jacob visits that we saw Flash Forwards from a new life after they changed things in 1977?

[USF11]

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Are these Jacob visits that we saw Flash Forwards from a new life after they changed things in 1977?

I dont think so, I can't elaborate why that doesnt make sense but im pretty sure it doesn't.

[CMH]

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Th whole thing is Odd because Sayid was right there. Looked to be an accident how she died, not a contract hit on her. Didn't look like a murder.

Are these Jacob visits that we saw Flash Forwards from a new life after they changed things in 1977?

Good theory. They have switched it up on us before without saying a thing (Jack in the Flash Forward).

The only thing I can wonder now is how does Jacob know to do that if it is him making changes. And why? Why would he need them to come to the Island when they already came to the Island in that alternate time line.

I like how you're thinking, though. There's definitely some trickery going on here.

[fistofrage]

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Good theory. They have switched it up on us before without saying a thing (Jack in the Flash Forward).

The only thing I can wonder now is how does Jacob know to do that if it is him making changes. And why? Why would he need them to come to the Island when they already came to the Island in that alternate time line.

I like how you're thinking, though. There's definitely some trickery going on here.

May be the whole thing that no matter what you do, she's still going to die at that point in time whether it be by murder or by accident.

[CMH]

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Have any of the follownig questions been answered yet? It's hard to keep track of what's been answered/ figured out and what is still a mystery.

1) What is the 2nd island? At the end of season 4, only one island vanished, but I didn't notice any others.

2) Why did Locke lose his ability to walk way back in season 2(?) when Boone was up in the drug-runners plane? At the time, the theory was that the island was keeping him from helping Boone, but that really doesn't fit now.

I know there are 1,000 other unanswered questions, but these are 2 I am hoping can be explained by now.

1. The second island is a part of the bigger island. It's just separated from it by a smaller body of water. When the bigger island moves it takes the smaller island with it.

You probably couldn't see it when the Island vanished because the smaller one was behind it when the Island moved.

2. Why does it not fit? The Island works in whatever way it pleases and it likely didn't want Locke to go up on the plane and suffer the same injuries that Boone suffered. The Island knew that it needed Locke.

The bigger question should be: "What is on the other side of that cliff?" Twice now Locke has tried to climb it and both times he was prevented (legs not functioning, Ethan shooting at him).