Superman Man Of Steel

[Leon]

Re: Superman Man Of Steel

The prequel comic has been put online. It doesn't really spoil anything in the movie so those who haven't seen it can check it out. More back-story = cool.

http://imgur.com/a/mMCZm

[Gronk4M13]

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Overall, great movie. Incredible production/special effects, Hans Zimmer was awesome, and this felt very similar to the Dark Knight Trilogy in a good way.

[marshallfever]

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Spoiler

"I'm not going to kill you, but I am going to send you to a zone black hole with no way back, oh and I'm going to let humans die doing it, or go to the phantom zone with them."

I can't wait for the deadpool movie.

Equalivent to life in prison or a death sentence, no different from the way people do things

[Leon]

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So I wrote an analysis of Man of Steel and why I think it works. It's basically my response to critics who keep insisting on Donner Donner Donner as well as those who seemed to have missed story beats in the movie.

Apparently, it ended up being 5 pages long.

Feel free to have a READ (if it doesn't bore you).

[Brandwin]

I didn't care for the movie much at all. Like I said before though, I don't know much about Superman and I am not a huge super hero guy. I thought that would have me enjoy it more since I wouldn't know if something in the story was done wrong, but I just felt bored at times and rolled my eyes a lot.

[Blzer]

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Since my initial comments about the fights didn't provoke any responses (though I still would like to know people's opinions on the matter, especially since that's what a lot of people don't like about the Superman character), I will also say that I had a moment where I leaned over to my buddy and said that I hope Nolan's Batman and Snyder's Superman aren't in the same world together.

It has nothing to do with one movie type being inferior to the other and has little to do with the realism factor (aliens are aliens). It's simply devaluing Batman in his own universe. He simply doesn't fit with what Supes is and can do. On the other hand, there were times when I half-expected Laurence Fishburne to call in reinforcements. "We need Neo," he would say.

Also, was there a post-credits scene? I admittedly had to rush right out the door after the movie ended because I didn't want to be late to a meeting, but I'm wondering what I might have missed.

[deaduck]

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I didn't care for the movie much at all. Like I said before though, I don't know much about Superman and I am not a huge super hero guy. I thought that would have me enjoy it more since I wouldn't know if something in the story was done wrong, but I just felt bored at times and rolled my eyes a lot.

Not following your line of reasoning here. You don't like superhero stuff or know much about Superman but you thought you'd enjoy it more because of that?

Please elaborate, if you don't mind. I honestly would like to understand this.

[Blzer]

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Not following your line of reasoning here. You don't like superhero stuff or know much about Superman but you thought you'd enjoy it more because of that?

Please elaborate, if you don't mind. I honestly would like to understand this.

Many people have said that they're glad Superman will be receiving proper treatment and a decent vision this time around. For somebody who hadn't seen a previous Superman film before (which might have previously been spoiled to too much camp or inferior archetypes), I'd imagine he was hoping that this fresh take could help him enjoy the Superman character in a light that he previously hadn't seen.

As I see it, many people's problems with the Superman character are:

- He is invincible (outside of Kryptonite).
- He puts glasses on and no one recognizes him.

Perhaps he was hoping this film could address/remedy those issues, or take on a more "realistic" approach that wouldn't have the same plaguing effects as Thor (not to say it did or didn't). I see what he meant, because I felt in a similar boat as he.

And as I said in my other post, I do have a problem with the fighting. Why slam each other for a half hour when absolutely nothing happens/will happen to either person? It's kind of expository action for the sake of it, and that's not that appealing to me. Wasn't in The Avengers, and isn't now.

[deaduck]

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Since my initial comments about the fights didn't provoke any responses (though I still would like to know people's opinions on the matter, especially since that's what a lot of people don't like about the Superman character), I will also say that I had a moment where I leaned over to my buddy and said that I hope Nolan's Batman and Snyder's Superman aren't in the same world together.

Well concerning the fights, I think you are wrong. they clearly could hurt each other. They just didn't receive second hand damage from the property damage they created, for the most part. The fight physics worked for me. The Kryptonians were reacting to forces that could move their mass (which were shown to be no greater than a humans) but were resistant to damage unable to effect their density.

And we all know they are going to end up in the same fictional universe together eventually...I would prefer a Worlds Finest before a Justice League personally. It all goes back to a core concept of storytelling in any media, "Suspension of Disbelief". If the audience of any work is unwilling to just let the story be the story...you can never reach them. But if they are willing to go along for the ride, you just have to stay consistent inside the level of disbelief you are asking for. I think the modern audience is going to be able to accept a shared universe fairly easy as long as it stays constant in tone...which is why this film adopted the darker philosophy, in my opinion.

And no end credits.

[deaduck]

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For somebody who hadn't seen a previous Superman film before (which might have previously been spoiled to too much camp or inferior archetypes), I'd imagine he was hoping that this fresh take could help him enjoy the Superman character in a light that he previously hadn't seen.

If he hasn't seen or is familiar with Superman , he doesn't need a FRESH take.

Not to be snotty, but that's why I am asking him that SPECIFIC question. Somebody else can't offer up his explanation with there logic.

[jmood88]

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What I don't like about the fights is that there was no skill or artistry involved (which you can't say about other Snyder movies). Either Superman or one of Zod's crew would throw a punch, the recipient would fly into a building, rinse and repeat. When it wasn't the one punch thing, someone would fly in from offscreen and carry the other person into a building. Now, I could deal with Superman not knowing how to fight since he never had to do anything other than be strong but the other people were military-trained and didn't have super strength on Krypton, so you would think that they would have some type of fighting ability outside of throwing haymakers.

[Blzer]

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Well concerning the fights, I think you are wrong. they clearly could hurt each other. They just didn't receive second hand damage from the property damage they created, for the most part. The fight physics worked for me. The Kryptonians were reacting to forces that could move their mass (which were shown to be no greater than a humans) but were resistant to damage unable to effect their density.

I'm going to have to read this post a few more times to understand what you said.

I mean I liked the CGI with the destruction and stuff (that one falling building was excellent), and some of the choreography was pretty awesome and brutal, but I couldn't feel tension even once when seemingly invincible men are taking on each other. Again, this was the same thing with The Avengers. Meanwhile, you have a recently released film like The Dark Knight Rises, and any time Batman laid a lick on Bane, you were thinking: "Good, upper hand!" But then any time Bane hit Batman, you're thinking: "Crap, he's going down!" This obviously isn't the only film like that, but it's from the same people and even in the 'same universe'.

Speaking of which...

And we all know they are going to end up in the same fictional universe together eventually...I would prefer a Worlds Finest before a Justice League personally. It all goes back to a core concept of storytelling in any media, "Suspension of Disbelief". If the audience of any work is unwilling to just let the story be the story...you can never reach them. But if they are willing to go along for the ride, you just have to stay consistent inside the level of disbelief you are asking for. I think the modern audience is going to be able to accept a shared universe fairly easy as long as it stays constant in tone...which is why this film adopted the darker philosophy, in my opinion.

A shared universe is fine, just not with Nolan's Batman. A rebooted Batman? Sure, especially if they allow him to serve a purpose with Superman around.

I'm just saying the decrepit version that Christian Bale's Bruce Wayne is now wouldn't really be able to serve up much with Superman doing what he does.

And no end credits.

Thanks.

If he hasn't seen or is familiar with Superman , he doesn't need a FRESH take.

Not to be snotty, but that's why I am asking him that SPECIFIC question. Somebody else can't offer up his explanation with there logic.

I'm sure rumor had it for him in the past (word of mouth, knowledge of the character, seen snippets here and there, etc.), and I was only speculating for him because that's how I could best interpret it for myself.

What I don't like about the fights is that there was no skill or artistry involved (which you can't say about other Snyder movies). Either Superman or one of Zod's crew would throw a punch, the recipient would fly into a building, rinse and repeat. When it wasn't the one punch thing, someone would fly in from offscreen and carry the other person into a building. Now, I could deal with Superman not knowing how to fight since he never had to do anything other than be strong but the other people were military-trained and didn't have super strength on Krypton, so you would think that they would have some type of fighting ability outside of throwing haymakers.

And then when there was hand-combat (I can think of three moments), it was undermined by the fact that they are less impactful than the aerial assaults, so you almost knew they would, too, amount to nothing.

[GAMEC0CK2002]

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What I don't like about the fights is that there was no skill or artistry involved (which you can't say about other Snyder movies). Either Superman or one of Zod's crew would throw a punch, the recipient would fly into a building, rinse and repeat. When it wasn't the one punch thing, someone would fly in from offscreen and carry the other person into a building. Now, I could deal with Superman not knowing how to fight since he never had to do anything other than be strong but the other people were military-trained and didn't have super strength on Krypton, so you would think that they would have some type of fighting ability outside of throwing haymakers.

UFC or WWE moves instead?

[deaduck]

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What I don't like about the fights is that there was no skill or artistry involved (which you can't say about other Snyder movies). Either Superman or one of Zod's crew would throw a punch, the recipient would fly into a building, rinse and repeat. When it wasn't the one punch thing, someone would fly in from offscreen and carry the other person into a building. Now, I could deal with Superman not knowing how to fight since he never had to do anything other than be strong but the other people were military-trained and didn't have super strength on Krypton, so you would think that they would have some type of fighting ability outside of throwing haymakers.

I think this is a legitimate beef with the film but I just contend than when a short jab can send your opponent flying a few hundred feet, your fighting style would have to be a bit altered...But yeah, kicks were limited and grappling was almost non existent. Could be just like UFC heavyweights though, if you got punching power then you tend to over rely on it.

[deaduck]

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Blzr...

They were hurting each other when they were making contact. Multiple times they sold a punch ...but they weren't effected by the aftereffect of the punch. It'd be like if somebody shoved you into a set of balsa wood buildings...the push had an effect but going through all the thin wood didn't.

Do you follow?