LCD or OLED? - The TV Thread

[EnigmaNemesis]

Re: Plasma or LCD?

Like CaptainZombie, I was nervous about IR and burn-in with my C8000. I haven't even seen the slightest bit of IR and no burn-in at all...and I turned off pixel shifting earlier in the week.

It sure seems like IR and burn-in is a thing of the past - which is great because I have not seen a better picture than with a plasma...deeper blacks, excellent colors etc...

It is only a thing of the past, if you do the proper procedures of breaking in your set and maintaining it. I still seen burn in on them.

Your average Joe still has issues... it is not a TV set for your average person. That is for sure.

Regardless, I am getting a Plasma, the picture quality is just too good not too. Especially the price as well.

[The Chef]

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It is only a thing of the past, if you do the proper procedures of breaking in your set and maintaining it. I still seen burn in on them.

Your average Joe still has issues... it is not a TV set for your average person. That is for sure.

Regardless, I am getting a Plasma, the picture quality is just too good not too. Especially the price as well.

I cant possibly disagree more. Saying things like "Plasma is not a TV set for your average person" is completely inaccurate. Explain to me how its not for the average person exactly? My Dad bought a 42" Samsung Plasma, never broke it in, never ran slides or anything else on it, routinely pauses his DVR for long extended periods of time and has never once had any hint of IR let alone burn-in. The idea that plasma sets are so difficult to take care of, or how you HAVE to run slides or break it in is an idea started over at AVS that has somehow caught momentum and convinced people its true. At some point I would be willing to guess that the sets that have had issues are more about a flaw within that specific set as opposed to it being a negative that effects all plasma sets.

[Blzer]

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I cant possibly disagree more. Saying things like "Plasma is not a TV set for your average person" is completely inaccurate. Explain to me how its not for the average person exactly? My Dad bought a 42" Samsung Plasma, never broke it in, never ran slides or anything else on it, routinely pauses his DVR for long extended periods of time and has never once had any hint of IR let alone burn-in. The idea that plasma sets are so difficult to take care of, or how you HAVE to run slides or break it in is an idea started over at AVS that has somehow caught momentum and convinced people its true. At some point I would be willing to guess that the sets that have had issues are more about a flaw within that specific set as opposed to it being a negative that effects all plasma sets.

Well lucky you, because I'm watching TV on my parents' plasma screen right now and it suffers from burn-in all the time. If I turned it off right now, I'd still see the SF logo imprinted on the top left corner of the screen. The sides are just slightly lighter than the rest of the screen because of 4:3 viewings, but you wouldn't ever notice them unless you were paying attention to it. Regardless, it's there and I see it all the time. Granted, they torch their TV and wouldn't ever consider calibration (it's a bit of an older plasma anyway).

[EnigmaNemesis]

I cant possibly disagree more. Saying things like "Plasma is not a TV set for your average person" is completely inaccurate. Explain to me how its not for the average person exactly? My Dad bought a 42" Samsung Plasma, never broke it in, never ran slides or anything else on it, routinely pauses his DVR for long extended periods of time and has never once had any hint of IR let alone burn-in. The idea that plasma sets are so difficult to take care of, or how you HAVE to run slides or break it in is an idea started over at AVS that has somehow caught momentum and convinced people its true. At some point I would be willing to guess that the sets that have had issues are more about a flaw within that specific set as opposed to it being a negative that effects all plasma sets.

My buddy has a new 50" Samsung that has an image of a DVD menu burned in that was left on for less than an hour.

Just going off what I saw first hand as well.


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[The Chef]

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Well lucky you, because I'm watching TV on my parents' plasma screen right now and it suffers from burn-in all the time. If I turned it off right now, I'd still see the SF logo imprinted on the top left corner of the screen. The sides are just slightly lighter than the rest of the screen because of 4:3 viewings, but you wouldn't ever notice them unless you were paying attention to it. Regardless, it's there and I see it all the time. Granted, they torch their TV and wouldn't ever consider calibration (it's a bit of an older plasma anyway).

So let me get this straight, because youve...

1. Seen it on your parents plasma that means its a routine problem with plasma and not with that specific set?

2. You are now comparing a "bit of an older plasma" to whats out there today?

Thats my exact point, someone hears or sees something on one set and runs around preaching it like its gospel, and no Im not saying thats what youre doing. Its not just me, its my folks Samsung Plasma, its multiple people that Ive sold sets to that have come back and told me they love their TV and have never had an issue with it. Plasma gets an unfair rap because the minority who have issues are far and away more vocal then the people who buy them and never have a problem, its how it always works, except then those same people spread it around and end up scaring off potential customers because of what they saw or heard about one set.

[Blzer]

Re: Plasma or LCD?

So let me get this straight, because youve...

1. Seen it on your parents plasma that means its a routine problem with plasma and not with that specific set?

2. You are now comparing a "bit of an older plasma" to whats out there today?

No, that's exactly what I'm saying too. It's neither here nor there, plasmas can have burn-in but it's not necessarily a plaguing effect. In the end, I blame my parents for the screen inducing burn-in.

I'm a fan of plasma sets and intend on getting one for myself in maybe five years or so, and I'll ensure that I will do everything in my power to get zero burn-in on my screen.

[The Chef]

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My buddy has a new 50" Samsung that has an image of a DVD menu burned in that was left on for less than an hour.

Just going off what I saw first jabs as well.


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I'd be curious to hear what "less than an hour" actually was. I guess Im assuming people arent actually leaving frozen images on their set for 45 minutes at a time, and imo, if you are then you deserve whatever happens. Am I the only one the turns the TV off when I go to do other things? I feel like people are taking extreme examples, ie. leaving the TV on for ridiculous amounts of time on a static image, and acting as if thats suddenly a sign that a plasma TV is high maintenance or difficult for the average person to use makes no sense to me. Im clearing assuming that the average person wont be leaving their TV on a static image for extremely long periods of time, maybe thats my problem.

EDIT- Something I didnt consider, did he or the person viewing the DVD fall asleep while it was playing or something?

[The Chef]

Re: Plasma or LCD?

No, that's exactly what I'm saying too. It's neither here nor there, plasmas can have burn-in but it's not necessarily a plaguing effect. In the end, I blame my parents for the screen inducing burn-in.

I'm a fan of plasma sets and intend on getting one for myself in maybe five years or so, and I'll ensure that I will do everything in my power to get zero burn-in on my screen.

Im certainly not trying to come across as an *** but everyday I hear the same things over and over again and it all revolves around burn-in, IR or glare. While glare is a legit issue depending on the room youre going to use it in, it gets really old hearing the amount of disinformation customers repeat to me on a daily basis.

[Blzer]

Re: Plasma or LCD?

Again, I'm on your side here. I think you have to really poorly treat your plasma to give it the nagging issues it seems to have reported from owners. I can't believe what they do to this screen. The picture is nice, but it could be so much better if they took care of it the right way. Mine will not be like this; most will not be like this.

The only chime-in I had was that your father was lucky to not have burn-in when not handling it "properly," because my parents mishandle it and consequentially have burn-in.

[The Chef]

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Again, I'm on your side here. I think you have to really poorly treat your plasma to give it the nagging issues it seems to have reported from owners. I can't believe what they do to this screen. The picture is nice, but it could be so much better if they took care of it the right way. Mine will not be like this; most will not be like this.

The only chime-in I had was that your father was lucky to not have burn-in when not handling it "properly," because my parents mishandle it and consequentially have burn-in.

Yeah, I just misunderstood your initial post is all.

[EnigmaNemesis]

I'd be curious to hear what "less than an hour" actually was. I guess Im assuming people arent actually leaving frozen images on their set for 45 minutes at a time, and imo, if you are then you deserve whatever happens. Am I the only one the turns the TV off when I go to do other things? I feel like people are taking extreme examples, ie. leaving the TV on for ridiculous amounts of time on a static image, and acting as if thats suddenly a sign that a plasma TV is high maintenance or difficult for the average person to use makes no sense to me. Im clearing assuming that the average person wont be leaving their TV on a static image for extremely long periods of time, maybe thats my problem.

EDIT- Something I didnt consider, did he or the person viewing the DVD fall asleep while it was playing or something?

Why do you think I said it really is not for the average Joe who is used to new lcds or crts.

We are conscious to turn things off knowing the repercussions of it. Blzer's example as well as mine are that of your normal person getting a phone call, pausing or getting up after putting DVD in. Not realizing the time spent in the other room on the phone. Your average Joe leaves the tv on all day long. Does not pay attention like we would.

They are not 100% fool proof to it. Even manufacturers will tell you this. Sure people are to blame themselves of it, but I do not expect average people who are not used to the precautions needed for this type if set when they are not used what you have to do at first.

Either way, I am buying a plasma soon. Maybe the G20/25 or VT20/25. Since the input lag is lower than the Samsungs I read. What would you recommend?

(I would still go with a Sammy if the input lag is not as bad as some say)

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[CaptainZombie]

Re: Plasma or LCD?

Why do you think I said it really is not for the average Joe who is used to new lcds or crts.

We are conscious to turn things off knowing the repercussions of it. Blzer's example as well as mine are that of your normal person getting a phone call, pausing or getting up after putting DVD in. Not realizing the time spent in the other room on the phone. Your average Joe leaves the tv on all day long. Does not pay attention like we would.

They are not 100% fool proof to it. Even manufacturers will tell you this. Sure people are to blame themselves of it, but I do not expect average people who are not used to the precautions needed for this type if set when they are not used what you have to do at first.

Either way, I am buying a plasma soon. Maybe the G20/25 or VT20/25. What would you recommend?


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You should have gone with that G25 yesterday, for $939..........that was a steal on Amazon. Maybe its still available.....jump jump, jump.

I'm no expert with plasma's as this is my first one, but all that I have heard/read is that these newer ones from the last 2-3 years are much less susceptible to burn-in and IR. A person would have to be an idiot to leave still images on their TV for hours on end or days (which is possible). It's possible your average consumer might do that.

It seems like the Panasonic's have much less issues when compared to Samsung and LG. As I mentioned earlier, I was always part of the crowd that was scared to get a plasma because of all these kinds of comments being made. Do I still have a bit of fear? Yes, a little bit since you never know what can happen as its technology.

For me it helped that several guys on here like DickDalewood, TheChef, Gamecock, and mjb to name a few talked how great plasma's are + when you go to any Best Buy, surprisingly many of the guys there push the plasma's over the LCD and LED's because of the deeper blacks, much more rich colors, and most bang for your buck. This isn't Nintendo vs. Sony vs. MS, it's just TV's guys so no need to turn a good informative thread for those looking to find a TV into a brawl. LOL!

[EnigmaNemesis]

You should have gone with that G25 yesterday, for $939..........that was a steal on Amazon. Maybe its still available.....jump jump, jump.

It was $109 shipping so it puts it at the same price that Amazon normally has it. (was a third party seller) I also may want to go to BB for rewards points. Not to mention waiting on CES announcements to stimulate more of a price drop or not.


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[CaptainZombie]

Re: Plasma or LCD?

It was $109 shipping so it puts it at the same price that Amazon normally has it. (was a third party seller) I also may want to go to BB for rewards points. Not to mention waiting on CES announcements to stimulate more of a price drop or not.


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Good point, plus if you have the money............the 2011 Panasonic plasmas (the VT series) will have the Kuro technology, while the G series is rumored to then get the VT technology. It doesn't hurt to wait if you are in no hurry.

[EnigmaNemesis]

Good point, plus if you have the money............the 2011 Panasonic plasmas (the VT series) will have the Kuro technology, while the G series is rumored to then get the VT technology. It doesn't hurt to wait if you are in no hurry.

Really? Nice! I will indeed wait for CES. But if a VT or G drops nicely, I may have to bite regardless.


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