LCD or OLED? - The TV Thread

[Giants4Natic]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

This is my baby right here: I love this tv and from the looks of the price that some stores are offering it for, it makes it that much sweeter.

This is bad bad boy and no tv this year has even topped it.

Black levels on this are almost on par with my other baby which is the Ellite Kuro from Pioneer


http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-UN46B8...7719298&sr=8-1

Product Description

From the Manufacturer

September 15, 2009
Picture performance, advanced connectivity, and an eco-friendly and stunning design come together with the Samsung UN46B8500 46-inch LED HDTV to achieve a high level of picture quality as well as provide a unique and immersive entertainment experience. Using Light Emitting Diodes (LEDs) as its primary light source--rather than traditional Cold Cathode Fluorescent Lamps (CCFL)--this cutting edge HDTV also offers the benefits of an ultra-high contrast ratio and a slim depth that allows for a more artful design. And the 8500 Series also includes innovative LED Local Dimming technology, which selectively turns blocks of LEDs off to render perfectly true blacks while others are left on to produce more light in order to express pure whites. <TABLE style="HEIGHT: 715px" cellPadding=10 width=478 align=right><TBODY><TR><TD>

<SMALL>The 46-inch Samsung UN46B8500 LED HDTV (see larger image).</SMALL></TD></TR><TR><TD>

<SMALL>The Crystal Neck swivel stand.</SMALL></TD></TR><TR><TD>
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</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>With Samsung's innovative use of white LEDs as a backlight source, the 8500 Series is capable of a stunning 7,000,000:1 dynamic contrast ratio for extreme detail and image depth and an an ultra-quick 2ms panel response time for fast-paced content. Its Wide Color Enhancer Pro ensures that colors are consistently vibrant, while Samsung's Ultra Clear Panel works to improve image clarity and brightness regardless of a room's ambient lighting.
To battle motion blur and image judder that can plague LCD displays when displaying fast movement onscreen, this<!--COMMENT: series--> 8500 Series LED HDTV utilizes Samsung's Auto Motion Plus frame interpolation technology with an ulatra-fast 240Hz refresh rate--four times that of other TVs. It also boasts high dynamic contrast ratios, complements of the ground breaking LED light source.
The<!--COMMENT: series--> 8500 Series features Samsung's new Internet@TV online content service. Developed with Yahoo!, Internet@TV uses either a wired or wireless Ethernet connection to access content onscreen from Yahoo!, Flickr, YouTube and more with the push of a button. The widget-based interface and scrollbar run along the bottom of the screen for easy browsing of the latest programs and content.
Key Features

• Screen Size: 46 inches
• Full 1080p HD (Learn more)
• New -- Breakthrough local dimming LED technology for a sharper picture as well as true-to-life brightness ranging from the purest black to pristine white. (Learn more)
• Auto Motion Plus 240Hz: Advanced processing that reduces blur and enhances image detail when viewing fast motion video sequences. (Learn more)
• Energy Savings: Samsung's LED TVs use up to 40 percent less power than conventional LCD TVs. (Learn more)
• Ultra-slim Design: 1.6-inch depth
• Ultra-quick 2ms response time minimizes blurring of fast motion in sports programs.
• Mega dynamic contrast ratio (7,000,000:1)
• HD-Grade Pixel Resolution: High-resolution pixel density is combined with a built-in image scaler to handle inputs from a variety of digital and analog audio/video sources.
• Ultra Clear Panel: Advanced LCD technology lets you enjoy crisp image details, natural skin tones, excellent shadow detail, and vibrant colors.
• Game Mode enhances dark areas, sharpens the picture, speeds up the image processing response and enhances the sounds of your games. Picture and sound quality optimized for the special needs of gaming systems at the touch of a button.
• Wide Color Enhancer Pro optimizes a given color's hue, resulting in more natural rendering of colors.
• Picture-in-Picture (PIP) enables convenient, simultaneous viewing of TV programs and video or PC content sources.
• Audio: Two stereo speakers (10-watts each, for 20 watts of total power)
• SRS TruSurround HD creates an immersive, feature-rich surround sound experience from two speakers, complete with rich bass, high frequency detail and clear dialog.
• Content Library (2 GB Flash Memory): Built-in library contains photo art gallery, games, workout routines, recipes, and other interesting digital content. Additional items and updates are available from Samsung.com.
• Two USB 2.0 ports for playing a variety of video, photo, and audio files from portable devices, including external hard drives
• DLNA-compatible for better interopability with electronics, computers and mobile devices from many different manufacturers (Learn more)
• Anynet Plus (HDMI-CEC) allows peripheral AV devices such as a DVD player to be controlled by a Samsung TV remote control.
• Energy Star Compliant: Reduces energy consumption by up to 25 percent compared with standard TVs.
• Built-in digital tuner--no external box needed.
• V-Chip system allows blocking of rated TV and movie programs determined by a parent to contain objectionable content.
• Crystal Neck swivel stand
• Warranty: 1 year parts and 1 year labor warranty (90 days parts and labor for commercial use), with in home service, backed by Samsung toll-free support.
• [email protected] lets you enjoy more with Internet TV, allowing you to receive content via Yahoo!, Flickr, and more via on-screen TV widgets. (Learn more)

Connections

• HDMI (version 1.3): 4 back
• USB: 2 back
• Component video: 1 back
• Composite video: 1 back (shared with component)
• PC input: 1 back
• Ethernet: 1 back
• Optical digital audio output: 1 back

Dimensions

• TV without stand: 44.5 x 27.1 x 1.6 inches (WxHxD); 41.2 pounds
• TV with stand: 44.5 x 29.9 x 10.9 inches (WxHxD); 54.1 pounds
• What size TV should you get?

Accessories

• 2010 LinkStick: Connect wirelessly to a world of digital content from Samsung. The LinkStick wireless LAN adaptor eliminates the hassle and cluttered look of wires. Learn more about the Samsung WIS09ABGN LinkStick Wireless LAN Adapter.
• Wall Mount: Picture frame-style mount for simple installation. Mounting hardware included. Learn more about the Samsung WMN1000B Fixed Low-Profile Wall Mount.

Learn More

<!--COMMENT: ==========================================--><HR class=bucketDivider SIZE=1>Full HD 1080P

<TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%; TEXT-ALIGN: left" cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=2 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top"></TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top">Full HD, or 1080p, contains 1.5 times more scanning lines than conventional HD TVs. More scanning lines mean more pixels, more details and a better picture. The new Samsung LCD TV with resolution that is approximately 2 times greater than conventional HDTVs, creating the most perfect picture imaginable.

Samsung’s 1080p panel uses a new high-speed liquid crystal to cut response time to 4ms. The fast response time, coupled with Samsung’s Auto Motion Plus 120Hz motion blur reduction technology dramatically reduces motion blur and judder.
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</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><!--COMMENT: ==========================================--><HR class=bucketDivider SIZE=1>Breakthrough LED Picture Quality with Local Dimming

<TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%; TEXT-ALIGN: left" cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=2 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top">Compared to a traditional CCFL, LEDs produce darker blacks that appear endlessly deep to the eye. And with the 8500 Series' LED local dimming backlighting technology, the lit parts of the on-screen image can brightened to the maximum while all light is shut off in the dark areas of the screen. The result is the ultimate in contrast ratio. Moreover, the reduction of brightness in the dark areas also cuts power consumption by as much as half. The 8500 Series also includes Samsung's Wide Color Enhancer Pro feature, which provides a broader color palette by analyzing each pixel and then stretches them to their 3-dimensional limit for the fullest, most lifelike colors possible. Samsung's Ultra Clear Panel further allows the preservation of every detail even in brightly-lit, imperfect viewing conditions. This is done by effectively allowing more light to pass through the screen and simultaneously reducing reflections from ambient light.
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There's a big difference between seeing the game and seeing every split second of it. That's where Auto Motion Plus 240Hz technology comes in. All the action in every frame is analyzed and then adjusted so nothing goes by in a blur. This technology quadruples the frame rate from 60 to 240 frames per second (240Hz LCD panel) without repeating the same image to make more frames. Instead, it uses interpolation to intelligently calculate and place three new frames between two existing frames to create smoother transitions.</TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><!--COMMENT: ==========================================--><HR class=bucketDivider SIZE=1>Eco-Friendly

<TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%; TEXT-ALIGN: left" cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=2 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top">The benefits of using LEDs include not only improved picture quality, but also reduced power consumption levels to easily meet the stringent new Energy Star v3.0 guidelines. The LED modules are mercury-free, which makes for cleaner manufacturing and safer recycling when compared with backlight technologies currently available. In the LED HDTV line, energy consumption is reduced by 40 percent versus traditional LCD HDTVs of a similar size. The LED HDTVs also include a power indicator menu, and an optimized energy savings mode. In addition, these TVs require less material to manufacture and are thinner, reducing packing material and consumer waste. The smaller packaging allows for more units to be shipped and less fuel to be consumed at a time which potentially reduces Samsung's carbon footprint.
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Digital Living Network Alliance (DLNA)

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</TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top">You already know something about digital living. There’s the TV and digital video recorder in your family room. (And another set in your bedroom.) You have a PC and digital printer in your office, along with a network attached storage device. And you’ve copied all your music onto your portable music player and haven’t had to open a CD case for years. But getting them to talk to each other can be pretty tough. Why is it still so difficult to send digital content from one device to another?

Digital Living Network Alliance (DLNA) is a collaboration of the world’s leading consumer electronics, PC and mobile companies that has created design guidelines for a new generation of products that can work together — no matter the brand.

Think for a moment about all of the photos "locked away" on your home PC that you wish you could access while entertaining your friends and family. Now, thanks to DLNA enabled devices, a DLNA-enabled PC can be accessed from the comfort of your living room or family room via a DLNA-enabled HDTV, where you can enjoy your memories with friends and family, without having to deal with the hassle and non-intuitive "PCexperience".
Or, say you recently downloaded your daughter’s birthday party video from your digital camcorder to your PC. Now you want to share it with your parents who are visiting. Without DLNA, you probably have to burn a DVD of the video or hook up the camcorder to the TV. With DLNA, you can just use your TV’s remote to call up the video on your TV. That's it.

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[email protected]

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</TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top">[email protected] lets you enjoy more with Internet TV, allowing you to receive content via Yahoo!, Flickr, and more on screen. It also includes a content library so you can enjoy pre-loaded content, such as cooking recipes and fitness exercises. Plus, DLNA CERTIFIED connectivity lets you remotely access your PC's personal media so that you can download music, video, and photos and enjoy them anywhere in the home your TV is. Finally USB 2.0 multi-media center lets you connect a thumb drive or a digital camera quickly and easily.


</TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; TEXT-ALIGN: left"> Current Widgets
</TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top">eBay
Get real-time updates, place bids, monitor your favorite items, view photos and compare prices with the press of your remote. You won’t miss a buying or selling opportunity with the eBay TV widget.
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</TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top"> </TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top">RallyCast
Track fantasy league scores, standings, and player stats in real time while you watch the games on TV.
</TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top"> </TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top">Twitter
Keep in touch with people and share real-time updates and frequent answers while you watch TV.
</TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top"> </TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top">Flickr
Share photos with family & friends and browse the latest photos posted by the Flickr community.
</TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top"> </TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top">YouTube
Share your favorite YouTube videos without having to gather around a computer screen.
</TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top"> </TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top">Yahoo! Weather
Choose a location and get a snapshot of current weather conditions, the 5-day forecast and more.
</TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top"> </TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top">Yahoo! News
Get breaking news, headlines, and top stories from leading news sources, designed for the big screen.
</TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top"> </TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top">USA Today Sports
Get the latest sports scores, stories, and snapshots, as the news happens from USA TODAY.
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</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><SMALL>Widgets allow you to track local weather with Yahoo, access eBay, display Flickr pictures and see Twitter updates - all on your screen. With a split-screen display, you can do it all without missing a second of your favorite shows. And now, you can also get movies on demand via blockbuster and Amazon Video On Demand.</SMALL>

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Rent or Buy more than 50,000 Titles from Amazon Video On Demand

With Amazon Video On Demand, Samsung customers can now instantly watch more than 50,000 commercial-free movies and television shows, including hit new releases and the latest episodes available in HD.

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</TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top">Using an intuitive interface, customers can order movies right from their couch and enjoy instant playback without waiting for lengthy downloads or annoying commercials. Prices start as low as $.99 and no subscription fee is required.
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</TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top">Find
Choose from thousands of movies and TV shows by browsing in the Amazon Video On Demand section on your Samsung TV. Access and add to your virtual library of purchases via Amazon Video On Demand’s Your Video Library and re-watch anytime on your Samsung TV, your PC or Mac and other compatible devices.
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</TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top">Rent or Buy
Renting and purchasing titles is a snap with the power of Amazon’s 1-click purchasing. Order new release movies and the latest TV shows right from your couch and you’re watching within seconds. Prices start as low as $.99.
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</TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top">Watch
Using your Samsung TV, enjoy Amazon Video On Demand’s high quality video on any TV. Videos playback instantly, without waiting for a download. Purchases and rentals are added to Your Video Library and stored online by Amazon so you can conveniently watch them on your Samsung television, PC or Mac, and other compatible devices.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
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Which Size HDTV is Right for My Room?

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</TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top">With standard-definition TVs, the rule used to be that viewers would feel comfortable watching a set from a distance of 3 to 6 times the screen size in inches. With HDTV, the resolution is so much better that you can sit closer to a larger TV without noticing the pixels. So with HDTVs, the rule tends to be you can sit anywhere from 1.5 to 3 times the screen size (in inches) for the best experience. If you know the size of the room you have already, where you want to sit, and where your new HDTV should go once you get it, you can figure out the size HDTV you should get.

• Minimum size = Viewing distance/3
• Maximum size=Viewing distance/1.5

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Product Description

Picture performance, advanced connectivity, and an eco-friendly and stunning design come together to form Samsung LED TV 8500. For the image connoisseur, our highest 240Hz motion blur reduction technology, our highest 7,000,000:1 Dynamic Contrast Ratio that displays incredibly deep blacks and pristine whites, and enriched color processing deliver outstanding video. Samsung Internet@TV has web TV widgets from Yahoo, Flicker, Ebay and others to entertain, inform and connect you to specially designed web content right on your LED TV. This Ultra Slim 1.6” depth set is the ideal complement for your room and your life.innovative digital technology. Powerful LED technology offers the most impressive contrast and color you have ever seen on a 55-inch screen; innovative 240Hz technology renders four times the frames per second compared to standard HDTVs, for motion that’s truly lifelike and smooth. A pre-loaded Content Library puts countless hours of information and entertainment at your fingertips. The [email protected] feature brings online content – such as video, stocks, photo sharing and more – straight to your HDTV, with downloadable, customizable widgets that are easily controlled via the remote. The Ultra Slim Design is only 1.2 inches deep, and that’s including the tuner! Another visual highlight is the striking Touch of Color accented bezel. And with the photo frame wall mount, you can bring the elegant brilliance of this inches from the wall – in virtually any room. And with the same passion we have for delivering groundbreaking HD excitement and style, Samsung is dedicated to preserving the environment with LED TVs, through reduced power consumption (up to 40% savings versus 2008 Samsung conventional LCD TVs) and eco-friendly manufacturing techniques.

[55]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

The Samsung UNxxB8500 line are still the best TVs I have ever seen in my life.

[Giants4Natic]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

The Samsung UNxxB8500 line are still the best TVs I have ever seen in my life.

I know, I fell in love when I saw it at the store and bought it that same day. I paid much less for it then they go for now in some stores. What I regret to this day is the fact that I did not spend the extra $500 to get the 55 inch one.

Right now the 55 inch one would cost me about close to 6K

At that time I could have bought it for close to 3K

But at that time I had no big place to put such a large tv so 46 was right for me then.

I love my tv

[fishepa]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

For $2500 someone better get one of the best TV's out there.

[Giants4Natic]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

For $2500 someone better get one of the best TV's out there.

LOL: Thing is that I paid $1800 for mine when it was still in rotation. Now that tv is not made anymore so the retail stores who still have some left are trying to sell it for almost double because they are high on demand.

For $2500 I could have bought the 55 incher back then but now it goes for $5500

[CaptainZombie]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

Why on earth would you program the blacks to rise over time?

Panasonic has to keep increasing the voltage levels, or the plasma gasses will stop responding, and the panel will stop lighting up. Samsung, LG, and Pioneer plasmas all increase voltage periodically just like Panasonic, only their black levels are not affected. Some say blacks even get slightly better over time.

The problem with Panasonic is that their algorithm supplies too much voltage so the black level increases with each adjustment.

LOL: Thing is that I paid $1800 for mine when it was still in rotation. Now that tv is not made anymore so the retail stores who still have some left are trying to sell it for almost double because they are high on demand.

For $2500 I could have bought the 55 incher back then but now it goes for $5500

Oh WOW! That is quite a bit, almost $6K.

[Jonesy]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

I know, I fell in love when I saw it at the store and bought it that same day. I paid much less for it then they go for now in some stores. What I regret to this day is the fact that I did not spend the extra $500 to get the 55 inch one.

Right now the 55 inch one would cost me about close to 6K

At that time I could have bought it for close to 3K

But at that time I had no big place to put such a large tv so 46 was right for me then.

I love my tv

I've got the 55' version. Best tv I have ever owned by a huge margin! It even makes regular dvd's look amazing and don't even get me started on blu rays!

[Blzer]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

So does that LED's picture dominate the picture on plasma screens then? How are the black levels on it?

[Giants4Natic]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

I've got the 55' version. Best tv I have ever owned by a huge margin! It even makes regular dvd's look amazing and don't even get me started on blu rays!

I envy you just a bit because I have the 46 inch one. LOL

But glad to know that I found someone else here who has it. It's a rare club

This is still to date the only Local Dimming LED from Samsung.

[Giants4Natic]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

So does that LED's picture dominate the picture on plasma screens then? How are the black levels on it?

It does, the only tv that has better black levels is the Elite Kuro which I have as well. LOL

CNET said that this is the best Samsung TV ever made and second best tv next to the Elite Kuro which is a plasma

My PS3 and 360 games look amazing

[CaptainZombie]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

It does, the only tv that has better black levels is the Elite Kuro which I have as well. LOL

CNET said that this is the best Samsung TV ever made and second best tv next to the Elite Kuro which is a plasma

My PS3 and 360 games look amazing

Weren't you gaming on a monitor before? What made you change your mind or was the monitor something that was being used to tied you over.

[55]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

So does that LED's picture dominate the picture on plasma screens then? How are the black levels on it?

The Samsung UNxxB8500 series is the best looking PQ I have ever seen on any TV in my life including plasmas. That was before Samsung went to strictly edge lit LED technology like they did for their C line of TVs. Luckily, some of the higher end D lines that are coming out this year won't be strictly edge lit.

It just goes to show how awesome a TV truly is when a 2 year old 55 inch set still sells for almost 6k all the time.

[Giants4Natic]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

Weren't you gaming on a monitor before? What made you change your mind or was the monitor something that was being used to tied you over.

No I still have my Samsung LED Monitor 23 inches. Rated second best monitor in 2010

I love Samsung.

The issue I have with my HDTV is that online shooters are rough at times due to input lag even on game mode.

Going from minimal lag on game mode to basically zero lag in the monitor makes a world of a difference between swinging and missing in the Show or hitting your spot. Or on line shooters getting the perfect kill shot.

When I play online shooters I use the monitor. All other gaming is done on my TV

[Giants4Natic]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

The Samsung UNxxB8500 series is the best looking PQ I have ever seen on any TV in my life including plasmas. That was before Samsung went to strictly edge lit LED technology like they did for their C line of TVs. Luckily, some of the higher end D lines that are coming out this year won't be strictly edge lit.

It just goes to show how awesome a TV truly is when a 2 year old 55 inch set still sells for almost 6k all the time.

Truer statements will never top this one

[Giants4Natic]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

The only other tv I would put over my Samsung LED is my 50 inch Elite Kuro which Pioneer no longer makes but they have till this day the best tv ever made

I bought it the week it was discontinued by Pioneer and bought one of the last 2 at a local NYC store. I paid $2400 and look at how much they ask for it today to those stores that still have some stock left

The Elite Kuro was not as amazing for gaming but for movie and regular tv watching there is nothing better. The black levels were inky black

It was not great for gaming to me because it was not as bright and it did not pop out for games like LCD or LED's do.

https://powersellernyc.com/product/view/Pioneer-PRO111FD-Elite-PRO111FD-50-inch-KURO-Plasma-TV-22423.html#