LCD or OLED? - The TV Thread

[authentic]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

4K won't be that successful, in my opinion. For 4K to be most beneficial, we're talking 60"+ screen sizes (100" if we really want to talk not having diminished returns), which rises costs significantly more then and there. There is still not a 4K Blu-ray format that is hitting shelves left and right, and nothing will ever broadcast in 4K either.

The picture will be prettier and the benefits are there for some things, but the future will be in OLED, whether it's 1080p or 4K or whatever else. It's not the resolution that's going to win the end battle, is all I'm saying. Once they figure out how to get OLED screens both cheaper, everyone will be jumping on that, including myself (as long as motion is good).

3D wasn't successful because it is an "optional" feature. 1080p isn't going to be an option at a point in time. 2160p is almost a sure thing, just like 1080p was when it was getting phased in. OLED is extremely hard to manufacture. While LG has had decent sales, they are still putting up a loss because of the amount of panels broken in assembly. Sony/Panasonic/Samsung have stopped production of OLED in favor of 4k. OLED will be similar to plasma, except more expensive. OLED is going to take 5-7 years before it is mastered and easy to produce. By that time, 2160p full array tvs will be very common and similar to OLED, much like plasma and high end LEDs, like the Sony full array or Sharp Elite. I would place my bet on 2160p before OLED any day of the week.

I will tell you this as well, 2160p from 12 feet away does look better than 1080p at 12 feet away. There is a huge difference.

After talking to a regional Directv rep yesterday, I am even more likely to say 2160p over OLED. Supposedly, ESPN, HBO, Cinemax, TNT, and a couple other bigger companies are beginning to use 4k cameras at sporting events, and movie companies are always shooting in 4k. 4k will become what 1080p is now, if you deny this, you're trying to justify you're expensive 1080p TV you own, which I can understand. I own an LG full array, and a VT55 plasma, both great 1080p tv's, but soon will be behind the standard.

[SuperBowlNachos]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

LCD is the way to go. LCD is lighter and it lasts longer.

Is this the first time in this thread someone has just given a straight up answer to the thread title?

[SuperBowlNachos]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

3D wasn't successful because it is an "optional" feature. 1080p isn't going to be an option at a point in time. 2160p is almost a sure thing, just like 1080p was when it was getting phased in. OLED is extremely hard to manufacture. While LG has had decent sales, they are still putting up a loss because of the amount of panels broken in assembly. Sony/Panasonic/Samsung have stopped production of OLED in favor of 4k. OLED will be similar to plasma, except more expensive. OLED is going to take 5-7 years before it is mastered and easy to produce. By that time, 2160p full array tvs will be very common and similar to OLED, much like plasma and high end LEDs, like the Sony full array or Sharp Elite. I would place my bet on 2160p before OLED any day of the week.

I will tell you this as well, 2160p from 12 feet away does look better than 1080p at 12 feet away. There is a huge difference.

After talking to a regional Directv rep yesterday, I am even more likely to say 2160p over OLED. Supposedly, ESPN, HBO, Cinemax, TNT, and a couple other bigger companies are beginning to use 4k cameras at sporting events, and movie companies are always shooting in 4k. 4k will become what 1080p is now, if you deny this, you're trying to justify you're expensive 1080p TV you own, which I can understand. I own an LG full array, and a VT55 plasma, both great 1080p tv's, but soon will be behind the standard.

I'm fine with my 65VT60 for a while. I'll jump to 4K and an Atmos setup once there is content to actually view. That will be when I have a room I can make my theater and can get a 4K projector in there.

Edit* Who needs 4K anyways? http://www.digitaltrends.com/computi...come-standard/

[ODogg]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

I'm thinking 4k TV is a long ways off here in the states considering our cable and satellite providers networks. I mean we don't even get 1080p and look at how long that's been around.

I'm a huge tech guy but I'm not buying a 4k TV just to say I have one and show off a demo disc then sit and use the TV like I do now...

Without content it is a long ways off..

[strawberryshortcake]

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4K won't be that successful, in my opinion. For 4K to be most beneficial, we're talking 60"+ screen sizes (100" if we really want to talk not having diminished returns), which rises costs significantly more then and there. There is still not a 4K Blu-ray format that is hitting shelves left and right, and nothing will ever broadcast in 4K either.

The picture will be prettier and the benefits are there for some things, but the future will be in OLED, whether it's 1080p or 4K or whatever else. It's not the resolution that's going to win the end battle, is all I'm saying. Once they figure out how to get OLED screens both cheaper, everyone will be jumping on that, including myself (as long as motion is good).

Bringing in the best of both worlds from plasma and led/lcd, I also thought OLED would be great, and believed this for years ... until recently when I heard that even OLED could have problems with image burn in or image retention. I use my 55" HDTV as a computer monitor and for TV watching, which is why I chose an LED/LCD over a plasma. Sure, one can use various techniques to prevent burn ins, but the constant need to 'baby' it is much less appealing.

Also recently read about 8 bit vs 10 bit 4k panels and that threw a wrench in the whole thing. Apparently 10 bit panels are required to "future proof" it. Much of the 4k tv available now are apparently 8bits, and apparently they could very well be obsolete when the 4k dust settles.

[Redacted01]

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I will be buying several new TV's next year to stock up the new house and I see no reason to get anything other than 1080p. By the time 4K is viable, I'll probably want to upgrade any way.

ODogg put it best. It just doesn't make sense to go out and overspend on a 4K TV when there is virtually nothing you can watch on it. Once DirecTV starts broadcasting everyday channels in 1080p, which means we're going down that road of getting higher quality content full time, or we get a 4k blu-ray or something like that where there is actually content I can use it for, then I'll go for it. And by then, the prices would have come down. Other than bragging to say you have one, there isn't much else it offers right now. Sure, they look nice, but you could probably spend less on a top-of-the-line 1080p set and you wouldn't notice the difference unless you went out of your way to do so.

[bigfnjoe96]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

4k is a very viable option. The content is coming shortly but surely.

The Blacklist in 4k via Netflix is stunning to watch

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[authentic]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

If only people did research before posting that there is no content. Sony has only been shooting their movies in 4k for 16 years and has released all their movies since last year in 4k on blu ray, it's remastered in 4k for some of the older ones, but there is a noticeable difference. Netflix has 4 TV shows in 4k and new movies are added every month. Hulu has 10 TV shows coming in 4k in January. YouTube has 4k. Directv has 4k. Sonys channels on directv have 4k. Anything Sony shoots is in 4k, which means the World Cup, which I was able to watch in 4k. I don't have high quality equipment to brag about it, I have it because it's the best and it looks better than any other TV on the market, that being the 950b Sony 4k. Research will also tell you that Sony 4ks have a phenomenal upscale and improve 1080p picture quality.


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[Redacted01]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

And yet an actual 4K blu ray player doesn't even exist yet. Yes, current players should upscale, but when I can't buy a device yet that will play it natively.

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=14923

4 TV shows on Netflix (and a few documentaries) are hardly worth paying extra per month. Content to me means I can count on more than one hand, that's for sure.

I doubt most Youtube content one would watch is filmed in 4k.

DirecTV 4k is only available if you have a specific TV.

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2014/12/looking-for-more-4k-uhd-content-amazon-and-directv-now-have-uhd-movies-and-shows/index.htm

Spin it however you want, but if there isn't a device that actually plays 4k blurays natively, I have to have a specific TV that I can watch one channel on in 4k, and if I could watch all Netflix has available in 4k in a week, that's not what I'd call a vast library of content.

So again, I reiterate, why overpay when in a year or so, there will be more content, and the price of 4K TV's will inevitably fall. Safe to say I've done my research. You don't have to justify your purchase by claiming others don't know as much. It's great that you like it. I think I can survive a year (and the sentiment is probably more common than wanting a 4k TV now) missing out on "all this content" with my 1080p TV that still works fine and probably save money to get a better model than is available now. I've read quite a few concerns about early adopters of 4k TV's and HDMI 2.0 as well. Being first to have something is not always the best route in technology.

[ODogg]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

If you have to do research to find content then something's amiss....

[SuperBowlNachos]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

Is streaming 4K really true 4K?
Amazon and Netflix recommend (requires?) 15Mbps and 25Mbps to stream in 4K. A lot of people still do not have those speeds.

[mgoblue]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

I'll be happy if come August (my birthday) they have super duper cheap but decent 65"ish inch 1080p tvs. There were decent deals this BF, but wasn't really gonna make a move now.

With where we sit in my living room I think 1080p will be just fine. I can't see myself affording a 65"ish inch 4k tv anytime soon, and going up in size is my only upgrade.

[bradtxmale]

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I did notice a blu-ray movie was in 4K format. I guess some companies are switching to the new 4k.

[GAMEC0CK2002]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

Wow. That went sideways pretty quickly.


As a person that loves 3D, the idea of full resolution passive 3D seems like a worthwhile feature. A shame that Vizio dropped 3D altogether in 2013- present.

[authentic]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

I'll be happy if come August (my birthday) they have super duper cheap but decent 65"ish inch 1080p tvs. There were decent deals this BF, but wasn't really gonna make a move now.



With where we sit in my living room I think 1080p will be just fine. I can't see myself affording a 65"ish inch 4k tv anytime soon, and going up in size is my only upgrade.

If you sit a decent ways away, 1080p is fine. With my projector, it looks great from 14' away, but it isn't like House of Cards in 2160p in my bedroom...you have to remember, the farther away you sit, the smaller the differences in 1080p and 2160p become.


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