LCD or OLED? - The TV Thread

[Scott]

Re: LCD or OLED? - The TV Thread

I still love our 55" TCL 2017 model with 120Hz and the best HDR I'd be getting....still not really using HDR sources yet, but as a living room tv it's been great.



Not in the cards yet to get a Xbox S or X quite yet....might just wait until next gen, I don't know.

Actually no TCL is 120hz.


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[XxGamerXx]

Re: LCD or OLED? - The TV Thread

I still love our 55" TCL 2017 model with 120Hz and the best HDR I'd be getting....still not really using HDR sources yet, but as a living room tv it's been great.

Not in the cards yet to get a Xbox S or X quite yet....might just wait until next gen, I don't know.

Which model is that? I never seen a native 120hz panel from TCL

[mgoblue]

Re: LCD or OLED? - The TV Thread

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

That's what I got...said 120Hz CMI, so maybe not native I don't know. I fully accept that I don't have the budget for anything crazy, so it's still good for me, but maybe it upscales or something for the refresh rate, I don't know.

Either way it was the best I could do for my money at the time, given that I wanted a 55" TV

*edit* yeah, it's "fake" 120hz...something I'll keep in mind next tv for sure. Eventually my son's room will need one so I can play the upgrade game and the future base level will be better I'd imagine.

[RoyalBoyle78]

Re: LCD or OLED? - The TV Thread

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

That's what I got...said 120Hz CMI, so maybe not native I don't know. I fully accept that I don't have the budget for anything crazy, so it's still good for me, but maybe it upscales or something for the refresh rate, I don't know.

Either way it was the best I could do for my money at the time, given that I wanted a 55" TV

*edit* yeah, it's "fake" 120hz...something I'll keep in mind next tv for sure. Eventually my son's room will need one so I can play the upgrade game and the future base level will be better I'd imagine.

I have the same set in my Living room hooked up to my X and its still a great TV, and the new TCL 6 series I bought last week in my bedroom for my PRO.

Again this is just my opinion, I have no issues watching sports and gaming has been a Joy on both of my TCL sets. 60hrz is just fine with me as again I see no issues at all.

[XxGamerXx]

Re: LCD or OLED? - The TV Thread

I have the same set in my Living room hooked up to my X and its still a great TV, and the new TCL 6 series I bought last week in my bedroom for my PRO.

Again this is just my opinion, I have no issues watching sports and gaming has been a Joy on both of my TCL sets. 60hrz is just fine with me as again I see no issues at all.

It's not that there is an issue it's that it's weak compared to 120hz. That is fact not opinion.

[PVarck31]

Re: LCD or OLED? - The TV Thread

I've found out that as a rule of thumb, if the TV is advertised as something like "True Motion 120 or Motion Rate 120" it means its native 60hrz. Same if it says "Motion rate 240" it means its a 120 hrz panel.

And that Vizio P set I wanted was $100 off at Best Buy the other day. Damming, I hate waiting.

[PVarck31]

Re: LCD or OLED? - The TV Thread

I have the same set in my Living room hooked up to my X and its still a great TV, and the new TCL 6 series I bought last week in my bedroom for my PRO.

Again this is just my opinion, I have no issues watching sports and gaming has been a Joy on both of my TCL sets. 60hrz is just fine with me as again I see no issues at all.

If it doesn't bother you then that's great. A lot of people don't notice it or don't notice it enough to be a problem. That TCL is a great set and a great deal so as long as you enjoy it that's all that matters.

[mgoblue]

Re: LCD or OLED? - The TV Thread

If it doesn't bother you then that's great. A lot of people don't notice it or don't notice it enough to be a problem. That TCL is a great set and a great deal so as long as you enjoy it that's all that matters.

Exactly! I get the tech limitations, but for my money at the time I couldn't afford better, or didn't want to spend more. Ideally I'd have a 10,000 dollar magic tv lol

[XxGamerXx]

Re: LCD or OLED? - The TV Thread

So it seems the 2018 LG OLED have a fatal flaw that looks to be hardware base and not something fixable via fw

Near black in scenes causes macro blocking to flash and it looks bad. I tested my set that I just got replaced after the burn in from BB and it does have the issue

55 65 77 inches all tested from AVS and Reddit members as well as the non Alpha 9 chip b8 and all have the issue

This is not an issue with 2017 models

D-Nice is a pro calibrator and he claims the Sony OLED from this year had the same issue which is a LG panel that Sony releases with their own software

Most of the issues are from LG side though

LG has yet to comment, you can youtube the issue and read about it

Vincent Teoh from UHDTV has a test pattern on Twitter showing the issue and he claims he reached out to LG about it

Very upsetting

Below is a summary of the tons of posts about it. Some say they do not see it but many are seeing it

It has been observed on 55", 65", and 77" panels.
A number of people reported not seeing it on their panels.
A credible authority here has a 65C8 that does not display the macroblocking. He has seen it on other panels (a 77" I think).
Vincent has seen it.
A Philips OLED owner with an LGD panel reported it.
An LG owner with the problem had the power supply and main board replaced and that did not fix it.
In the opinion of a credible authority here, the problem results from something done in the LGD factory, and cannot be fixed by a firmware update.

[Hockeynut99]

Re: LCD or OLED? - The TV Thread

So it seems the 2018 LG OLED have a fatal flaw that looks to be hardware base and not something fixable via fw

Near black in scenes causes macro blocking to flash and it looks bad. I tested my set that I just got replaced after the burn in from BB and it does have the issue

55 65 77 inches all tested from AVS and Reddit members as well as the non Alpha 9 chip b8 and all have the issue

This is not an issue with 2017 models

D-Nice is a pro calibrator and he claims the Sony OLED from this year had the same issue which is a LG panel that Sony releases with their own software

Most of the issues are from LG side though

LG has yet to comment, you can youtube the issue and read about it

Vincent Teoh from UHDTV has a test pattern on Twitter showing the issue and he claims he reached out to LG about it

Very upsetting

Below is a summary of the tons of posts about it. Some say they do not see it but many are seeing it

It has been observed on 55", 65", and 77" panels.
A number of people reported not seeing it on their panels.
A credible authority here has a 65C8 that does not display the macroblocking. He has seen it on other panels (a 77" I think).
Vincent has seen it.
A Philips OLED owner with an LGD panel reported it.
An LG owner with the problem had the power supply and main board replaced and that did not fix it.
In the opinion of a credible authority here, the problem results from something done in the LGD factory, and cannot be fixed by a firmware update.

Is this for all the Sony OLED? I haven’t notice this on my Sony 9.

[p_rushing]

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Is this for all the Sony OLED? I haven’t notice this on my Sony 9.

LG makes all the panels, so it would depend if this is isolated to 1 panel type and then which one your model has.

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[XxGamerXx]

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Is this for all the Sony OLED? I haven’t notice this on my Sony 9.

Its an LG issue and LG makes Sony's panels

The calibrator had the 9 from this year and claims it had the issue and returned it

But most of the complains i am seeing are from LG models for this year

[Artman22]

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Why is LG the only ones making OLED? Glad I kept my 2017 OLED..

[Pete1210]

Re: LCD or OLED? - The TV Thread

Looking to upgrade to 65" and debating between Sony 900 and TCL 6. It will be mostly used for gaming with the Xbox One X.

[MDgolf]

Re: LCD or OLED? - The TV Thread

Looking to upgrade to 65" and debating between Sony 900 and TCL 6. It will be mostly used for gaming with the Xbox One X.

I have the 900 f 65 inch and use with PS4 pro. It looks amazing. Saw the tcl at target when I was in the US this weekend and it also looked good and like a third of the price.


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