LCD or OLED? - The TV Thread

[Pete1210]

Re: LCD or OLED? - The TV Thread

I have the 900 f 65 inch and use with PS4 pro. It looks amazing. Saw the tcl at target when I was in the US this weekend and it also looked good and like a third of the price.


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Best buy has the Sony on sale for 1600. The TCL is 970, but it's been on sale for 900. So is the Sony worth 700 more?
I already have the TCL 55 P and am happy with it.

[p_rushing]

Re: LCD or OLED? - The TV Thread

Why is LG the only ones making OLED? Glad I kept my 2017 OLED..

They have the patents for them or agreements to manufacture for the patent owners.

Most brands in the US will use them. Samsung is still trying to do their own thing.

Theoretically they will be cheaper and easier to make, but that hasn't happened yet.

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[Scott]

Re: LCD or OLED? - The TV Thread

Looking to upgrade to 65" and debating between Sony 900 and TCL 6. It will be mostly used for gaming with the Xbox One X.

Are you going to be watching sports? If so, get the Sony, much better motion processing.


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[XxGamerXx]

Re: LCD or OLED? - The TV Thread

Best buy has the Sony on sale for 1600. The TCL is 970, but it's been on sale for 900. So is the Sony worth 700 more?
I already have the TCL 55 P and am happy with it.

Sony is not worth that price jump at all. It has 120hz but it also has higher input lag.

The TCl much cheaper, better for gaming and has excellent low input lag

[Scott]

Re: LCD or OLED? - The TV Thread

Disagree....

Per rtings (which so many of the people here love)....

The Sony X900F is better than the TCL R617. The Sony X900F displays deeper blacks in a dark room due to better local dimming, and this is great if you watch movies. The Sony X900F can handle reflections better and has a faster response time that leaves only a small blur trail. It also has better gray uniformity for an image without clouding or shadows. On the other hand, the TCL R617 has a lower input lag which is great if you play video games.

https://www.rtings.com/tv/tools/compare/sony-x900f-vs-tcl-r617/585/613?usage=4854&threshold=0.1

[XxGamerXx]

Re: LCD or OLED? - The TV Thread

Disagree....

Per rtings (which so many of the people here love)....

The Sony X900F is better than the TCL R617. The Sony X900F displays deeper blacks in a dark room due to better local dimming, and this is great if you watch movies. The Sony X900F can handle reflections better and has a faster response time that leaves only a small blur trail. It also has better gray uniformity for an image without clouding or shadows. On the other hand, the TCL R617 has a lower input lag which is great if you play video games.

https://www.rtings.com/tv/tools/comp...&threshold=0.1

Nobody said the Sony was not a better tv. His question was if it was 700 dollars better than the TCL and in my opinion it is not. Not even close

Yea you get a better tv but for that price difference it is not.

Let's look at the numbers

Native Contrast
5089 : 1 Sony
5182 : 1 TCL
Contrast with local dimming
5725 : 1 Sony
6052 : 1 TCL:

TCL 700 cheaper beats it in contrast

- SDR Peak Brightness
8.8 Sony 8.9 TCL

SDR Real Scene Peak Brightness
630 cd/m² Sony
713 cd/m² TCL
SDR Peak 2% Window
731 cd/m²
899 cd/m²
SDR Peak 10% Window
958 cd/m²
1000 cd/m²
SDR Peak 25% Window
771 cd/m²
1169 cd/m²
SDR Peak 50% Window
571 cd/m²
874 cd/m²
SDR Peak 100% Window
633 cd/m²
672 cd/m²
SDR Sustained 2% Window
694 cd/m²
894 cd/m²
SDR Sustained 10% Window
941 cd/m²
998 cd/m²
SDR Sustained 25% Window
767 cd/m²
1161 cd/m²
SDR Sustained 50% Window
568 cd/m²
868 cd/m²
SDR Sustained 100% Window
630 cd/m²
670 cd/m²

Bottom number is TCL and once again it beats the Sony with a brighter picture in SDR for 700 less

- HDR Peak Brightness
8.7Sony 8.7TCL

HDR Real Scene Peak Brightness
894 cd/m²
840 cd/m²
HDR Peak 2% Window
828 cd/m²
908 cd/m²
HDR Peak 10% Window
988 cd/m²
1009 cd/m²
HDR Peak 25% Window
764 cd/m²
1173 cd/m²
HDR Peak 50% Window
648 cd/m²
879 cd/m²
HDR Peak 100% Window
653 cd/m²
674 cd/m²
HDR Sustained 2% Window
788 cd/m²
903 cd/m²
HDR Sustained 10% Window
974 cd/m²
1006 cd/m²
HDR Sustained 25% Window
761 cd/m²
1165 cd/m²
HDR Sustained 50% Window
645 cd/m²
871 cd/m²
HDR Sustained 100% Window
651 cd/m²
673 cd/m²

Once again the TCL for 700 less has better brightness which gives you a more engaging HDR picture for both movies and games.

Input Lag

If you play a game at 1080p 60hz it will have 40ms of input lag on the Sony tv and just 17ms on the TCL

If you do 4k 60hz The sony line does 24ms and the TCL 19

Winner is the TCL for 700 less

Not to mention the Roku OS on the TCL blows away the Android one on the Sony side

The sony is a better tv due to its better color spectrum and grey uniformity as well as being a 120hz panel but those factors should not be worth 700 alone. Not to me at least.

If am spending 1600 on the Sony I rather get the 8FN from Samsung at 55 inches which is superior and fantastic for gaming

[Scott]

Re: LCD or OLED? - The TV Thread

Nobody said the Sony was not a better tv. His question was if it was 700 dollars better than the TCL and in my opinion it is not. Not even close

Yea you get a better tv but for that price difference it is not.

Let's look at the numbers

Native Contrast
5089 : 1 Sony
5182 : 1 TCL
Contrast with local dimming
5725 : 1 Sony
6052 : 1 TCL:

TCL 700 cheaper beats it in contrast

- SDR Peak Brightness
8.8 Sony 8.9 TCL

SDR Real Scene Peak Brightness
630 cd/m² Sony
713 cd/m² TCL
SDR Peak 2% Window
731 cd/m²
899 cd/m²
SDR Peak 10% Window
958 cd/m²
1000 cd/m²
SDR Peak 25% Window
771 cd/m²
1169 cd/m²
SDR Peak 50% Window
571 cd/m²
874 cd/m²
SDR Peak 100% Window
633 cd/m²
672 cd/m²
SDR Sustained 2% Window
694 cd/m²
894 cd/m²
SDR Sustained 10% Window
941 cd/m²
998 cd/m²
SDR Sustained 25% Window
767 cd/m²
1161 cd/m²
SDR Sustained 50% Window
568 cd/m²
868 cd/m²
SDR Sustained 100% Window
630 cd/m²
670 cd/m²

Bottom number is TCL and once again it beats the Sony with a brighter picture in SDR for 700 less

- HDR Peak Brightness
8.7Sony 8.7TCL

HDR Real Scene Peak Brightness
894 cd/m²
840 cd/m²
HDR Peak 2% Window
828 cd/m²
908 cd/m²
HDR Peak 10% Window
988 cd/m²
1009 cd/m²
HDR Peak 25% Window
764 cd/m²
1173 cd/m²
HDR Peak 50% Window
648 cd/m²
879 cd/m²
HDR Peak 100% Window
653 cd/m²
674 cd/m²
HDR Sustained 2% Window
788 cd/m²
903 cd/m²
HDR Sustained 10% Window
974 cd/m²
1006 cd/m²
HDR Sustained 25% Window
761 cd/m²
1165 cd/m²
HDR Sustained 50% Window
645 cd/m²
871 cd/m²
HDR Sustained 100% Window
651 cd/m²
673 cd/m²

Once again the TCL for 700 less has better brightness which gives you a more engaging HDR picture for both movies and games.

Input Lag

If you play a game at 1080p 60hz it will have 40ms of input lag on the Sony tv and just 17ms on the TCL

If you do 4k 60hz The sony line does 24ms and the TCL 19

Winner is the TCL for 700 less

Not to mention the Roku OS on the TCL blows away the Android one on the Sony side

The sony is a better tv due to its better color spectrum and grey uniformity as well as being a 120hz panel but those factors should not be worth 700 alone. Not to me at least.

If am spending 1600 on the Sony I rather get the 8FN from Samsung at 55 inches which is superior and fantastic for gaming

Most people will choose a 65 over a 55 for the same price, regardless of picture quality.

[Pete1210]

Re: LCD or OLED? - The TV Thread

Thanks for the feedback. The TV will be about 95% used for gaming, so I'll probably get the TCL.

[XxGamerXx]

Re: LCD or OLED? - The TV Thread

Most people will choose a 65 over a 55 for the same price, regardless of picture quality.

FACTS.....But as an AV enthusiasts I could never get an inferior picture with price being equal. 55 to 65 is my sweet spot

I could never get the 82 NU8000 over a 65Q8FN

[PVarck31]

Re: LCD or OLED? - The TV Thread

Form all my research, the TCL 6 is a great value but for $200 more I think the Vizio P is better. Full array and 120hz. What really sucks though is I had to sit here and watch Best Buy have it for $100 off for a week and couldn't buy it. The TCL was also $100 off.

But I would never knock someone for wanting to save that $200. Especially if you are mostly using the TCL for gaming. But if you watch a lot of sports it would be the better value to have that 120hz panel.

I'm not counting the Sony in this btw.

Unless someone can tell me the Q6FN is better than the Vizio P. (Scott)

[XxGamerXx]

Re: LCD or OLED? - The TV Thread

Form all my research, the TCL 6 is a great value but for $200 more I think the Vizio P is better. Full array and 120hz. What really sucks though is I had to sit here and watch Best Buy have it for $100 off for a week and couldn't buy it. The TCL was also $100 off.

But I would never knock someone for wanting to save that $200. Especially if you are mostly using the TCL for gaming. But if you watch a lot of sports it would be the better value to have that 120hz panel.

I'm not counting the Sony in this btw.

Unless someone can tell me the Q6FN is better than the Vizio P. (Scott)

The Vizio is a good tv but not worth the 200 upgrade because if you plan to game that tv has higher input lag for 4k hdr than 4k sdr. And only one HDMI input allows low input lag of 15ms without hdr. That makes it a NO and their OS is laggy and terrible

The Q6FN is superior in every way except it is edge lit compared to FALD

That is why the TCL is the better choice if you want great sdr and hdr performance in gaming and movies. Sports is what would be better on the VIZIO and Q6FN and I would go with the Samsung for the superior upscaling of lower rez content

[MDgolf]

Re: LCD or OLED? - The TV Thread

Anyone with an LCD have a little bit of dark corners? I have the x900F and have a little bit of this and have read that it is totally normal.


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[p_rushing]

Re: LCD or OLED? - The TV Thread

Anyone with an LCD have a little bit of dark corners? I have the x900F and have a little bit of this and have read that it is totally normal.


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Depending on the TV, it definitely could be normal. For the x900f it does have some darkness at the corners, but it shouldn't be noticeable when watching TV, only when you are looking at a static uniform image.

Here is the gray uniformity test for that tv.


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[PVarck31]

Re: LCD or OLED? - The TV Thread

The Vizio is a good tv but not worth the 200 upgrade because if you plan to game that tv has higher input lag for 4k hdr than 4k sdr. And only one HDMI input allows low input lag of 15ms without hdr. That makes it a NO and their OS is laggy and terrible

The Q6FN is superior in every way except it is edge lit compared to FALD

That is why the TCL is the better choice if you want great sdr and hdr performance in gaming and movies. Sports is what would be better on the VIZIO and Q6FN and I would go with the Samsung for the superior upscaling of lower rez content

Appreciate it, but I've pretty much ruled out the TCL because I need the 120hz panel for sports. So I'm ok with spending the extra $200. So I guess my question is, is it worth spending another $200 for the Samsung? I keep hearing how important FALD is and see it's pretty bad on the samsung. So is it worth the trade off to get a better gaming experience because of the input lag on the Samsung and not have FALD? Also will I miss Dolby Vision, or with Samsung's HDR10+ be as good?

I know the Samsung will probably have better motion handling as will with the Freesync.

I'd say overall the most important things for me are sports and gaming and I'd say those are 50/50. I would love movies to look great as well, but that is less important to me.

[MDgolf]

Re: LCD or OLED? - The TV Thread

Depending on the TV, it definitely could be normal. For the x900f it does have some darkness at the corners, but it shouldn't be noticeable when watching TV, only when you are looking at a static uniform image.

Here is the gray uniformity test for that tv.


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Ya that’s about what I’m seeing


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