Spider-Man: Homecoming

[daflyboys]

Re: Spider-Man: Homecoming

When you say you "sure would", then you're also agreeing to the obvious needed example of The Black Panther, who is by defintition and origin, an African king and therefore IS no other race. So then it would be okay, according to your argument, for the most popular Black character in history, Othello, to be of another race.

And to carry it further, to within the specific context of fictional comic book characters, let's say The Falcon, who is originally portrayed as a Black character, and was most likely chosen by Marvel at the time they introduced him, was done so to show unity between a Caucasian hero (and a major one at that) and a Black hero. So therefore, it would have been okay, in order to help achieve the message and/or influence that Marvel was trying to portray would have been just as well portrayed if the Falcon was also Caucasian, or to make it easier, even Hispanic?

Fictional characters are often portrayed as a certain race for a certain reason. It's not the opposite construct.

[TheShizNo1]

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If some people don't care about the race of a character, I'm sure they don't need hypotheticals and fact checks to validate their perspectives. For those that do care, that's their prerogative as well. I feel like some are having a difficult time or don't care to simply agree to disagree.

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[TripleCrown9]

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I'm out. Won't go against the TOS any further. I've got nothing.

[daflyboys]

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If some people don't care about the race of a character, I'm sure they don't need hypotheticals and fact checks to validate their perspectives. For those that do care, that's their prerogative as well. I feel like some are having a difficult time or don't care to simply agree to disagree.

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Okay, then if what you're saying is correct and what James Gunn is saying is correct, then how about if EVERY Marvel and DC character is from this point forward Hispanic? Ludicrous? Absolutely not. Not by the standards and points being made.

So Colossus, who is Russian by birth, would ACTUALLY be Hispanic. Ororo from Africa would be Hispanic. War Machine / Hispanic. Banshee born in Ireland is, yes, Hispanic.

Oh and clearly Gunn has to play the PC card in his business or he would be blackballed in Hollywood. That's all for me too.

[The JareBear]

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Oh and clearly Gunn has to play the PC card in his business or he would be blackballed in Hollywood. That's all for me too.

He didn't have to say anything. Nobody asked him. He volunteered that take.

[TheShizNo1]

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Lol. Another post in which you either don't believe or just aren't comprehending that there are actually some people out there, that for whatever reason, don't care.

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[TripleCrown9]

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I just wish that people would respect my opinion that differs from theirs, instead of attacking me.

[mestevo]

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I think your hypotheticals daflyboys are hurting your argument more than helping, lol.

For me, MJ has been a ginger bombshell for my entire life and I've married 2 gingers (managed to keep the 2nd one).

If she's good it won't matter, but due to the above this bugs me more than other deviations (Starbuck, Heimdall, Valkyrie, Ancient One, Johnny Storm (which in context was great IMO) etc) from the source material.

[The JareBear]

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Would you be okay with, let's say, an Asian guy playing Luke Cage? Or how about an Aussie playing The Black Panther? A gentleman haling from Mexico portraying The Falcon? How about a young lady of the American Indian (yes, they really do prefer that over Native American) persuasion playing Storm?

Of course "things change" but is it really all a change for the better?

The things that make you go "hmmmmm".......

If we stuck truly to canon, how many comic book roles (percentage wise) wouldn't be white? The "how would you feel if a white person played an originally black character" argument is grossly misguided and misses the point entirely, in my opinion.

[The JareBear]

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By the way, Tom Holland seems like a pretty cool dude. The pic of him holding the newborn baby is precious (not to sound emo).

It's cool when you see these famous people do things for kids.

[kehlis]

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Okay, then if what you're saying is correct and what James Gunn is saying is correct, then how about if EVERY Marvel and DC character is from this point forward Hispanic? Ludicrous? Absolutely not. Not by the standards and points being made.

So Colossus, who is Russian by birth, would ACTUALLY be Hispanic. Ororo from Africa would be Hispanic. War Machine / Hispanic. Banshee born in Ireland is, yes, Hispanic.

Oh and clearly Gunn has to play the PC card in his business or he would be blackballed in Hollywood. That's all for me too.

In one thread you complain about others not respecting the fact that you have a difference of opinion yet in this thread you can't afford that to other posters?

[daflyboys]

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In one thread you complain about others not respecting the fact that you have a difference of opinion yet in this thread you can't afford that to other posters?

I didn't say I disrespected their opinions. I simply brought out my points to make my side of the argument. It's clearly a debate.

I expect the open-minded to be truly open-minded and consider the other viewpoint. Isn't that the true definition of open-minded?

Show me where I showed disrespect to others here.

[Bullit]

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I sure would, they're fictional. They can be depicted in anyway possible. There's no historical accuracy to achieve.

This is part of what I disagree with. It does not matter that they are fictional characters or not, there is historical accuracy to achieve. Since 1966 Mary Jane has been artistically portrayed as a white woman with red hair. So for 50 years she has been this character. Having that change now is something I just feel is ridiculous. I don't mind change but when that change is for the sake of political correctness or just because we can then it seems shallow to me and just a grab for drama and attention.

When Miles Morales became the new Ultimate Spider Man it was brilliant. It was still "Spider Man" but it was a new character, different powers,family etc. It was and still is a book I enjoy.

When Sam Wilson took over Capt. America it was cool, did not like the book but that was because of the writing not the character. It was still Cap. But a new person under the mask, with new ideals,plans, friends etc. Sam has been his partner and friend for decades who better to take over.

These examples can go on for a long time, Grayson as Batman, all of the Robins, multiple Flash characters etc.

But to change a storied character who has existed for years in one form and to just change that form, for absolutely no valid reason, just doesn't make sense to me.

[TheShizNo1]

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I didn't say I disrespected their opinions. I simply brought out my points to make my side of the argument. It's clearly a debate.

I expect the open-minded to be truly open-minded and consider the other viewpoint. Isn't that the true definition of open-minded?

Show me where I showed disrespect to others here.

You brought out one point and just asked the same thing in multiple posts (insert x race with x character, how would you feel?)

This is part of what I disagree with. It does not matter that they are fictional characters or not, there is historical accuracy to achieve. Since 1966 Mary Jane has been artistically portrayed as a white woman with red hair. So for 50 years she has been this character. Having that change now is something I just feel is ridiculous. I don't mind change but when that change is for the sake of political correctness or just because we can then it seems shallow to me and just a grab for drama and attention.

When Miles Morales became the new Ultimate Spider Man it was brilliant. It was still "Spider Man" but it was a new character, different powers,family etc. It was and still is a book I enjoy.

When Sam Wilson took over Capt. America it was cool, did not like the book but that was because of the writing not the character. It was still Cap. But a new person under the mask, with new ideals,plans, friends etc. Sam has been his partner and friend for decades who better to take over.

These examples can go on for a long time, Grayson as Batman, all of the Robins, multiple Flash characters etc.

But to change a storied character who has existed for years in one form and to just change that form, for absolutely no valid reason, just doesn't make sense to me.

Do you guys really not take into consideration where the country was at the time a lot of these characters were made? I feel that's a huge part that gets glossed over.

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[kehlis]

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Show me where I showed disrespect to others here.

Here you go:

I couldn't read anything past this.

That's pretty crappy.


You then went on to proclaim how you can't understand why others can't get that you have a differing opinion.

Then you went and did the same thing in this thread. Hypocrisy at it's best.