Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion discussion...

[TCrouch]

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I'm sure they added something that directs you to your next main story goal, but that's just to help the people that get lost with the open ended world I would think.

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I'm sure they added something that directs you to your next main story goal, but that's just to help the people that get lost with the open ended world I would think.

I hope I can turn the compass thing off. Not the compass itself but the arrow that leads you to your highlighted quest. The thing I loved in Morrowind was getting crappy directions from a NPC and figuring out my own route over there. You can take the Silt Strider, find a boat or hike it all the way down to your next town. The feeling of accomplishment your get when you see that city draw its way into your viewpoint. I dont plan on using the quickwarp option as well.

[TCrouch]

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I hope I can turn the compass thing off. Not the compass itself but the arrow that leads you to your highlighted quest. The thing I loved in Morrowind was getting crappy directions from a NPC and figuring out my own route over there. You can take the Silt Strider, find a boat or hike it all the way down to your next town. The feeling of accomplishment your get when you see that city draw its way into your viewpoint. I dont plan on using the quickwarp option as well.

Same, especially with horses back in the game .

I don't know what dork obsession within me absolutely loves any kind of travel mounts in an RPG, but it makes me all giddy. Armored horses and whatnot, traveling the landscape, dismounting to explore a discovered dungeon...

I can't wait. My family can't even wait...they love watching me play Morrowind and RPG-type games, it's almost like movie time for them lol.

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I hope I can turn the compass thing off. Not the compass itself but the arrow that leads you to your highlighted quest. The thing I loved in Morrowind was getting crappy directions from a NPC and figuring out my own route over there. You can take the Silt Strider, find a boat or hike it all the way down to your next town. The feeling of accomplishment your get when you see that city draw its way into your viewpoint. I dont plan on using the quickwarp option as well.

From what I've read in the Elder Scrolls forums, if you select an old quest in your quest log, there will be no marker to help guide you with your current quests.

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This is definitely the type of game that fits my preferences. I hate the feeling of being restricted by artificial barriers in some games. in the Elder Scrolls, the only places you can't go are because the terrain makes it impassable.

I bought Morrowind as soon as it came out in 2002 and still play it now. I've played countless hours and I've never even finished the main quest. I just get caught up doing everything else that is available in the game.

To me the main strength is the ability to actually role play the game, rather than be steered along a linear path. If I want my character to go have a couple drinks after every kill, thats what I do. It takes some imagination, but you can immerse yourself in these games more than any other RPG I've played.

I find that you can go anywhere on that map. If a hill is to steep to reach, fly up there. Sometimes mountains are in my way so I just fly over them. One thing I'd stop and do is look for sunken ships. Not much treasure but it was fun nonetheless.

I've had the game for about 3 years myself and I've been off and on playing and haven't finished the main story yet. I'm super close though. Its just those side missions through you off track.

[TCrouch]

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From what I've read in the Elder Scrolls forums, if you select an old quest in your quest log, there will be no marker to help guide you with your current quests.

Pretty much what I'd expect. So, you'd essentially enter your quest log, set the tutorial quest as active, and be able to explore at will. Workaround of some type, although it would be nice to be able to just toggle it off.

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Same, especially with horses back in the game .

I don't know what dork obsession within me absolutely loves any kind of travel mounts in an RPG, but it makes me all giddy. Armored horses and whatnot, traveling the landscape, dismounting to explore a discovered dungeon...

I can't wait. My family can't even wait...they love watching me play Morrowind and RPG-type games, it's almost like movie time for them lol.

Do you read the NPCs lines with special character voices as well?

Just teasing you.

I cant wait for the horses as well. Plus they can take damage so thats also cool. Although the one negative for horses is that you cant build your athletics and running speed up when using a horse. (Yea, I was one who hopped everywhere I went)

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From what I've read in the Elder Scrolls forums, if you select an old quest in your quest log, there will be no marker to help guide you with your current quests.

Funny, that was the idea I had I was gonna use to rid of the marker.

[Money99]

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Before I begin I should say that I'm not that into RPG's. The last one I played was Final Fantasy for the NES.

I started to read the IGN preview of Oblivion and by page two I recognized something that I think will really bother me: the lack of realism when it comes to certain attacks.
Right off the bat, in the 360 review, he says that he snuck up on a goblin and put an arrow into the back of his head for 'double damage'. But I was surprised to read that he had to pull his sledgehammer out to finish the job. Shouldn't this goblin be dead after taking an arrow into the back of their head?

Again, he mentions how he put another arrow into a surprised goblins head before getting into a skirmish with that goblin and a 'caster'.

I was really getting interested in this game but this kind of turned me off.
I played a samurai game for the PS1 (can't remember the name) where if you took a sword to the leg you would limp from there on out. The damage was realistic. I wish this game used the same system.

[TCrouch]

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Yeah you will probably want to skip it, then. Most RPG's have hit points, and it's not usually the one-hit, one-kill affair. If you got one-hit by a troll or something, it wouldn't be much fun, either. Tense, possibly.

Hell, I'd like an RPG that gave you one life and realistic damage. You die, your save game is erased and you start over. Take "realism" a step further...I loved the hardcore mode in Diablo 2.

But what I want is probably .01% of the population's desires, so it won't happen. Same with one-hit kills against equal-level critters in an RPG.

[greenegt]

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Before I begin I should say that I'm not that into RPG's. The last one I played was Final Fantasy for the NES.

I started to read the IGN preview of Oblivion and by page two I recognized something that I think will really bother me: the lack of realism when it comes to certain attacks.
Right off the bat, in the 360 review, he says that he snuck up on a goblin and put an arrow into the back of his head for 'double damage'. But I was surprised to read that he had to pull his sledgehammer out to finish the job. Shouldn't this goblin be dead after taking an arrow into the back of their head?

That works for games like Splinter Cell and Tenchu, but probably not for a game like Oblivion. It would ruin the RPG element of building up your character's skills, if you could simply backstab your way through the game.

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Before I begin I should say that I'm not that into RPG's. The last one I played was Final Fantasy for the NES.

I started to read the IGN preview of Oblivion and by page two I recognized something that I think will really bother me: the lack of realism when it comes to certain attacks.
Right off the bat, in the 360 review, he says that he snuck up on a goblin and put an arrow into the back of his head for 'double damage'. But I was surprised to read that he had to pull his sledgehammer out to finish the job. Shouldn't this goblin be dead after taking an arrow into the back of their head?

Again, he mentions how he put another arrow into a surprised goblins head before getting into a skirmish with that goblin and a 'caster'.

I was really getting interested in this game but this kind of turned me off.
I played a samurai game for the PS1 (can't remember the name) where if you took a sword to the leg you would limp from there on out. The damage was realistic. I wish this game used the same system.

Was'nt that Bushido Blade? I used to love that game. Beat the game the same day I bought it because of the one hit kills. I used to love throwing sand in my opponents eyes and slashing them quick with my sword.

Anyway, as for the damage model, this is an RPG, where everyone and everything has a certain number of hit points. Head shots dont mean a thing. If you can give any and everyone head shots the entire game that would make the archer the most powerful class in the game which would make the rest of the classes a waste.

You must be getting the game confused with a FPS.

[Money99]

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Was'nt that Bushido Blade? I used to love that game. Beat the game the same day I bought it because of the one hit kills. I used to love throwing sand in my opponents eyes and slashing them quick with my sword.

Anyway, as for the damage model, this is an RPG, where everyone and everything has a certain number of hit points. Head shots dont mean a thing. If you can give any and everyone head shots the entire game that would make the archer the most powerful class in the game which would make the rest of the classes a waste.

You must be getting the game confused with a FPS.

I understand that logic complelely. But I don't understand why archers would have 100% accuracy. And wouldn't armour come into play then too? Also, stealthing should be more difficult then.
I just think it's silly that a point blank arrow to someones head wouldn't kill them.
I'll still try this game out if I get a 360. It looks really deep.

[TCrouch]

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Yeah, your reasoning makes sense too...if it aimed for complete realism. RPG's, however, do not.

They have to give you some way of progressing. You don't want to be able to do the same thing after 30 hours of play that you could do after 1. You can get all beefed up and come back and 1-hit that goblin later when you're much stronger. They have to give you concrete evidence that your character is becoming stronger. Archers don't have 100% accuracy, either. That's how you build up your archery skill. You start out spraying arrows all over, and as the marksman skill gets higher, the lower your chance of whiffing on a shot.

Stealth is still harder in almost any RPG, because you're wearing paper mache armor. You NEED that double damage or sneak attack, because if you stand toe to toe with anything, you're shredded.

One thing you want to dismiss if you play RPG's (and I'm only telling you because you said you don't play them often) is the realism factor. You're fighting goblins and dragons, how realistic could it be?

Maybe goblins have skin that's almost like concrete, so an arrow wouldn't do much other than nick him, so you have to pull out the hammer to flatten him. OK, I'm overthinking something relatively simple, but you get my point. It's all "fantasy", so there's no place for "reality".

[Money99]

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You're fighting goblins and dragons, how realistic could it be?

Hahaha. Touche.

I don't want to bash this game by any means. It sounds incredibly deep and entertaining. I'll be interested to hear what everyone thinks when it comes out.

Cheers!