Playstation 3 Information, hardware, games discussion Part II

[countryboy]

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I really don't know why people are surprised by this if true. The system is $100 more than the 360 because of blu-ray,.. why wouldn't the disc be? It stands to reason.

I am just going to wait until the Tokyo Game Show this September to see what all is announced. By then we should get a pretty good grip on how many consoles are going to launch, what the launch games are going to be and the price of those launch games.

[jmood88]

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I really don't know why people are surprised by this if true. The system is $100 more than the 360 because of blu-ray,.. why wouldn't the disc be? It stands to reason.

I am just going to wait until the Tokyo Game Show this September to see what all is announced. By then we should get a pretty good grip on how many consoles are going to launch, what the launch games are going to be and the price of those launch games.

People are surpised because this could be the most expensive console ever(if it isn't already). With the overpriced. barebones version and the $70 games I really don't see why people would be excited about it, especially when a lot of the games may become multiplatform.

[Flawless]

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Sony's PS3 gamble: should the optical revolution have been optional?

2 page article. It's a good read and a balanced article.

http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/hardware/PS3-gamble.ars/1

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[backbreaker]

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Sony's PS3 gamble: should the optical revolution have been optional?

2 page article. It's a good read and a balanced article.

http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/hardware/PS3-gamble.ars/1

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Good article, but the thing that all of these articles fail on is this one. In each of sony's consoles they have change and pushed the format forward i.e. from CD to DVD and now Blu ray. Blu ray will not fail, just like UMD will not fail for the simple fact games are made on both mediaums, so its a win win for sony. If it doesn't pan out in movies its still beneficial for games. The designer of Assasins Creed already professed his love for Blu Ray as a storage mediaum as have many other developers.

You see sony has it covered blu ray is relevant for sony in either case. So all this cart before the horse arguments are moot and the trojan horse in the movie realm is Howard Stringer who has been known for his relationships with hollywood hence damn near all the studios are supporting blu ray, Sony Japan made a smart move in this effort to show the west some love by hiring a movie insider with relevant ties.

[goh]

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So the games will be $69.99 and $79.99 in Canada.

They don't know when to keep their mouth shut,now going after the PC and claiming they didn't steal the motion idea: http://www.gamespot.com/news/6152133.html

[Skyboxer]

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Good article, but the thing that all of these articles fail on is this one. In each of sony's consoles they have change and pushed the format forward i.e. from CD to DVD and now Blu ray. Blu ray will not fail, just like UMD will not fail for the simple fact games are made on both mediaums, so its a win win for sony. If it doesn't pan out in movies its still beneficial for games. The designer of Assasins Creed already professed his love for Blu Ray as a storage mediaum as have many other developers.

You see sony has it covered blu ray is relevant for sony in either case. So all this cart before the horse arguments are moot and the trojan horse in the movie realm is Howard Stringer who has been known for his relationships with hollywood hence damn near all the studios are supporting blu ray, Sony Japan made a smart move in this effort to show the west some love by hiring a movie insider with relevant ties.

Heard the same thing when DVD came out from developers. "We love the DVD format! So much space to add things to the games!!""
I venture to bet most if not all games on DVD aren't even half/3/4 full. I could be wrong, we'll see.

[TJdaSportsGuy]

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People are surpised because this could be the most expensive console ever(if it isn't already).

Nahh, I'd say that the Neo Geo was probably the most expensive console ever.

And didn't we used to pay $70 a pop for some SNES games back in the day?

[CaptainZombie]

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Can't wait for those PS3 GH games to debuted at the tempting price of $39.99

Rod, LOL.

[Cyros]

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Nahh, I'd say that the Neo Geo was probably the most expensive console ever.

And didn't we used to pay $70 a pop for some SNES games back in the day?

I wouldn't know, all I ever owned was Super Mario Bros., Star Fox, Mortal Kombat, and The Incredible Hulk (and that was won from a drawing).

[CaptainZombie]

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Good article, but the thing that all of these articles fail on is this one. In each of sony's consoles they have change and pushed the format forward i.e. from CD to DVD and now Blu ray. Blu ray will not fail, just like UMD will not fail for the simple fact games are made on both mediaums, so its a win win for sony. If it doesn't pan out in movies its still beneficial for games. The designer of Assasins Creed already professed his love for Blu Ray as a storage mediaum as have many other developers.

You see sony has it covered blu ray is relevant for sony in either case. So all this cart before the horse arguments are moot and the trojan horse in the movie realm is Howard Stringer who has been known for his relationships with hollywood hence damn near all the studios are supporting blu ray, Sony Japan made a smart move in this effort to show the west some love by hiring a movie insider with relevant ties.

BackBreaker, the only reason as to why the PS2 was so successful with the DVD player is that the DVD format was out for almost 5 years before the PS2 hit the shores in the US and Japan. DVD players were coming down in price, but the PS2 at $299 was able to pull in those that wanted a gaming machine and a cheap DVD player especially college kids for their dorms. At $299, you were getting more than just a gaming machine, you were getting a semi-multimedia machine.

Fast Forward to 2006, the BluRay format + players haven't even been released yet. These are to release in June 2006. PS3 is slated to release November 17, 2006. Sony is banking on the PS3 to help push this technology even though it hasn't been out for even 6 months by the time the PS3 releases. There is no real momentum with this format that was started years ago and has been in the market only for Sony to come along with their PS3 and standalone players that would push it further. It's all now up to the Sony marketing machine to get people hyped up for a format that is brand new.

I agree with you that if this format does die with the movies 2-3 years down the road, it will still be beneficial for the games. I can only imagine what they could do if they use the discs to their fullest.

Even with the PS1, the technology of CD's had been around for years and it wasn't that the PS1 sold in droves because people wanted to listen to their CD's on the PS1. CD's brought a whole new life to games that the 3DO, SEGA Saturn, Jaguar CD and SEGA CD attempted but had failed at due to hardware limitations and costs.

The UMD format is already in some trouble. Major retailors like WalMart, K-Mart, Sears and a few more chains are slimming down and/or getting rid of UMD movies. They aren't selling like what they were anticipating so there are movies sitting on shelves.

Did we also forget the Sony HDD that was released for the PS2. Sony promised a new OS at the time that would allow users of the HDD to do so much more, game saves to the HDD, and way too many broken promises. The HDD was left for dead and was brought to full use by the pirates.

The $70 price tag for games will scare many away, but I think we paid that with a few N64 games. If games are $70 for the first 6 months they can get away with it, but long term it will hurt them. Again it's due to the BR discs being so expensive. Again, 10 years ago we weren't paying up to $3.10 a gallon for gas, rising healthcare costs, rising home/gas/electric bills, etc. Some people will think twice before spending that kind of money.

I'm not trying to be anti-Sony, but everyone needs to open up their eyes here that Sony has introduced way too many formats that have failed. I hope that the PS3 does well and the price drops so I could get my hands on one, but some are getting too far ahead of themselves.

[backbreaker]

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Here's what I'm saying again unless its not obvious. Sony has changed format for each of its consoles. And again the PS3 is going to use Blu Ray for gaming as well, so the argument is moot and know one knows if its too soon or not. You need content to drive the market and if you have compeling content who knows whats going to happen. We can all sit her and pronogsticate(sp?) all day long the decision has been made either you're buying or not so again its a moot point. So you can either laugh now and cry later or cry now and laugh later. I will bite the bullet and hope for the best. I'm PS3 ready and ready for the PS3.

[ODogg]

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I gotta say, if games are $70 I am not sure i'm even going to buy a PS3...i mean $60 I don't like but I understand because games aren't cheap to make, but $70 with tax is near-approaching $100. I'm not ruling it out but i do know i see alot of rentals in my future if I do get a PS3.

[NEW_ORLEANS]

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Cartidges are more expensive then discs thats why nintendo games were high. I remember being 10 or 11 and my dad sawq the price of tecmo bowl and his eyes bulged.

[bigeastbumrush]

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Here's what I'm saying again unless its not obvious. Sony has changed format for each of its consoles. And again the PS3 is going to use Blu Ray for gaming as well, so the argument is moot and know one knows if its too soon or not. You need content to drive the market and if you have compeling content who knows whats going to happen. We can all sit her and pronogsticate(sp?) all day long the decision has been made either you're buying or not so again its a moot point. So you can either laugh now and cry later or cry now and laugh later. I will bite the bullet and hope for the best. I'm PS3 ready and ready for the PS3.

I'm with you 100% backbreaker. The ones you hear complaining the loudest aren't even getting a PS3, so what's the point really? Sit back and watch it fail if they so believe that it will.

I laugh at all the "Sony is forcing Blu-Ray upon us". No they're not. They did not invent blu ray, they just happened to format their console to be in-synch with the changing technology. If Blu Ray doesn't take off, so be it. That's out of gaming consumers hands.

Alot of us said we would never switch from VHS to DVD, from analog tapes to CDs, from CDs to MP3s, etc. If Blu Ray fails, it affects much much more than the gaming community.

[ODogg]

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I'm with you 100% backbreaker. The ones you hear complaining the loudest aren't even getting a PS3, so what's the point really? Sit back and watch it fail if they so believe that it will.

I laugh at all the "Sony is forcing Blu-Ray upon us". No they're not. They did not invent blu ray, they just happened to format their console to be in-synch with the changing technology. If Blu Ray doesn't take off, so be it. That's out of gaming consumers hands.

Alot of us said we would never switch from VHS to DVD, from analog tapes to CDs, from CDs to MP3s, etc. If Blu Ray fails, it affects much much more than the gaming community.

A lot of people are like me though here I think, they're whining but when/if we see some great games we'll suck it up and lay out the beans.. Kinda reminds me of all the EA haters who whine and bitch all year about how EA sucks then duly stand in line on launch day, pay their $60, then head to OS that night to nitpick. Well i'm not one of them in regards to EA's football games but for a PS3 and games at this price I'll have some of those tendencies..LOL..