Playstation 3 Information, hardware, games discussion Part II

[ThaGenecyst]

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Early PS2 shortages are legendary, the first time that we saw such huge demand for a console and such a low number of units at launch. And the rumors are flying wildly that the PS3 might be the toughest system to get your hands on at launch to date. Add the rumors to Sony's constantly fluid launch date and an overall lack of consumer confidence about what they will actually be able to deliver, and retailers are already getting skittish when it comes to the PS3.

Sony's multiple configuration launch is sure to create at least a few headaches for retail workers struggling to help moms, dads and grandparents understand the difference between 20GB and 60GB hard drives. Imagine explaining to the same group of non-gamer customers the relative value of Memory Stick support or HDMI connections. Retail employees have their work cut out for them this Fall.

An internal Gamestop email expressed concern over how many PS3s their chain (which is the largest videogame retailer and includes Ebgames as well) would have available. A local store that received between 50 and 100 Xbox 360s at launch is expecting to get no more than 20 PS3s.

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[countryboy]

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[Misfit]

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Retailers are just speculating, in truth they have no idea how many units Sony is going to ship them. They should expect low numbers if they want to avoid the screw-ups they had with the 360.

The biggest challenge for this launch is to figure out what SKU is given priority. With the 360, it was easy to see that the Premium package would be the one most people would want. With the PS3 it isn't as cut and dry and I imagine there will be a shortage of one SKU vs the other.

[countryboy]

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Retailers are just speculating, in truth they have no idea how many units Sony is going to ship them. They should expect low numbers if they want to avoid the screw-ups they had with the 360.

The biggest challenge for this launch is to figure out what SKU is given priority. With the 360, it was easy to see that the Premium package would be the one most people would want. With the PS3 it isn't as cut and dry and I imagine there will be a shortage of one SKU vs the other.

I agree that retailers are just speculating right now at how many they are going to get. And I would love to know where the "internal email from Gamestop" came from because we have no idea how manythey are getting.

The fact that Gamestops and EB's have no idea how manythey are getting is the sole reason for them to not be taking pre-orders right now. EB/Gamestop are waiting for Sony to give them a fairly concrete number of units that will be available to them at launch, so that EB/Gamestop know how to breakdown the reserve list, so they can tell consumers which shipment they will receive (1st, 2nd, 3rd.... and so on)

Now I am going to disagree with you on which SKU consumers will want because well, the $500 system is almost a waste of money.

The $500 unit has no HDMI, a smaller hard-drive, and doesn't have the ability to use memory sticks so that you can transfer saved data from old PS2 games onto the hard-drive of the PS3.

In my humble opinion, the $600 system is the one that everyone wanting a PS3 will opt for since the $500 is lacking in those categories I mentioned, and the fact that it looks as though there is no way to upgrade.

[Misfit]

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Normanlly I'd agree with you on the SKU topic, but to the average consumer HDMI won't matter. The lack of memory card slots is the bigger concern but since the low end model is already a hard to swallow $500 I think most people will opt for it because $600 is just too out there for a video game console in the minds of the average consumers.

[countryboy]

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Normanlly I'd agree with you on the SKU topic, but to the average consumer HDMI won't matter. The lack of memory card slots is the bigger concern but since the low end model is already a hard to swallow $500 I think most people will opt for it because $600 is just too out there for a video game console in the minds of the average consumers.

But... given the fact that Sony is claiming 100% backwards compatibility out of the box(I doubt it will happens, especially with PSone and early PS2 games) then the fact that you can't transfer your files to the $500 PS3 is absurd.

If one of the main selling points for consumers to buy a PS3 versus a 360 is backwards compatibility then, the $500 console is useless.

To be honest, with the way that Sony is making you transfer files from your PS2 into the PS3, people are probably better served to buy a 360 if BC is a main issue.

[Misfit]

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I agree, but Sony is in position that they can advertise full backwards compatibility even though it may be impossible to save games on the cheaper model. I imagine they're going to tick some people off, but they'll still put "Plays all PS1 and PS2 games!" on the box of the cheaper one and sucker some people. We also get to find out just how important Backwards Compatibility is. I think its a great feature, but am I willing to pay an extra 100 bucks for the ability to have no hassel saves (I say no hassel because we don't know if there will be a way for games to be saved by purchasing some sort of USB add-on or other means) for older games on a PS3? I don't know. I expect them to go 50-50 on the SKU's initially until a clear favorite surfaces.

[backbreaker]

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But... given the fact that Sony is claiming 100% backwards compatibility out of the box(I doubt it will happens, especially with PSone and early PS2 games) then the fact that you can't transfer your files to the $500 PS3 is absurd.



If one of the main selling points for consumers to buy a PS3 versus a 360 is backwards compatibility then, the $500 console is useless.



To be honest, with the way that Sony is making you transfer files from your PS2 into the PS3, people are probably better served to buy a 360 if BC is a main issue.

But... given the fact that Sony is claiming 100% backwards compatibility out of the box(I doubt it will happens, especially with PSone and early PS2 games) then the fact that you can't transfer your files to the $500 PS3 is absurd.

OK, where did you get this fact, that you will not be able to save games? Or is it just assumed speculation. Because Sony hasn't speculated or even stated how they are going to handle BC(that was an IGN article)

If one of the main selling points for consumers to buy a PS3 versus a 360 is backwards compatibility then, the $500 console is useless.

Legacy is available on both models, and the basic model is upgradealbe(except) for HDMI.

But... given the fact that Sony is claiming 100% backwards compatibility out of the box(I doubt it will happens, especially with PSone and early PS2 games) then the fact that you can't transfer your files to the $500 PS3 is absurd.

Laughable

[Misfit]

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OK, where did you get this fact, that you will not be able to save games? Or is it just assumed speculation. Because Sony hasn't speculated or even stated how they are going to handle BC(that was an IGN article)

I agree, but Sony is in position that they can advertise full backwards compatibility even though it may be impossible to save games on the cheaper model.

"May be" implies speculation.

[countryboy]

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OK, where did you get this fact, that you will not be able to save games? Or is it just assumed speculation. Because Sony hasn't speculated or even stated how they are going to handle BC(that was an IGN article)

I got those facts that I mentioned from articles and spec sheets. The Gamepro magazine on the market has a run down of all that the PS3 has to offer and the down side of things.

The problem with the $500 system is that you may not be able to transfer saved ps2 games from your old memory card to the $500 system because they are no memory stick slots on the $500 version.

To transfer files to the $600 system, from what I understand, you will have to save them to a memory stick (using a PSP) and then upload it onto the $600 system.

I am just telling you what I have read and what I have been told.

[Rodster]

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Hopefully if Sony is smart, they'll let you upload all your PS2 saves to one of their servers which would then allow you to download it to your PS3.

The technology has been around for a long time.

[countryboy]

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Hopefully if Sony is smart, they'll let you upload all your PS2 saves to one of their servers which would then allow you to download it to your PS3.

The technology has been around for a long time.

I agree

[Misfit]

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I don't think there is a question that there will be some way for you to your save files onto your PS3 HDD with the 500 system (though whether it is convenient or not remains to be seen). The problem is will the old games be able to load a saved game off of something other than a memory card since thats the only interface they were programmed to look for. I would think they would be able to trick the games into thinking they are looking at a memory card when they are looking in the HDD but I'm no tech guy so I don't know if that is something that is easier said than done.

[countryboy]

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The way that the technology was explained to me as for the difference between the $500 and $600 sku's is that there is no way to transfer saved PS2 and PSone games onto the $500 system due to the fact that it has no memory stick slots.

For the $600 system you will have to save you PS2 and PSone games onto a memory stick(using the PSP) and then insert the memory stick into the $600 system and upload to the hard-drive.

As for where you can save PS2 games, I would imagine that they would save to the hard-drive. If they didn't then there would be no reason whatsoever for making either system backwards compatable.

[backbreaker]

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The way that the technology was explained to me as for the difference between the $500 and $600 sku's is that there is no way to transfer saved PS2 and PSone games onto the $500 system due to the fact that it has no memory stick slots.

For the $600 system you will have to save you PS2 and PSone games onto a memory stick(using the PSP) and then insert the memory stick into the $600 system and upload to the hard-drive.

As for where you can save PS2 games, I would imagine that they would save to the hard-drive. If they didn't then there would be no reason whatsoever for making either system backwards compatable.

Countryboy, the Basic system is fully upgradeable except for HDMI. The memory stick situation can be handle via the USB ports, just like you use with the PSP.