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  • m1ke_nyc
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    • Oct 2009
    • 3243

    #3406
    Re: The Division (Xbone/PS4/PC)

    Picked up the game a couple days ago and have finally had a chance to sit down and play. I've been bored with video games for a couple months now and have to say I'm loving this game so far. Hope this holds up.
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    • Burns11
      Greatness Has Arrived
      • Mar 2007
      • 7406

      #3407
      Re: The Division (Xbone/PS4/PC)

      So they should change the DZ to make it more accessible for the PvP crowd? Every argument I've seen is trying to accomodate PvP guys within the current DZ meta because of the complaints that going rogue is too punishing.

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      • Gerg04
        MVP
        • Mar 2012
        • 2647

        #3408
        Re: The Division (Xbone/PS4/PC)

        Originally posted by Burns11
        So they should change the DZ to make it more accessible for the PvP crowd? Every argument I've seen is trying to accomodate PvP guys within the current DZ meta because of the complaints that going rogue is too punishing.
        I'm not sure why they should change it at all. It is a PvP zone after all, no? Has never been billed otherwise....it shouldn't be easy for anyone. Why cater? It should be a risk/reward.

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        • kingkilla56
          Hall Of Fame
          • Jun 2009
          • 19395

          #3409
          Re: The Division (Xbone/PS4/PC)

          Originally posted by Burns11
          So they should change the DZ to make it more accessible for the PvP crowd? Every argument I've seen is trying to accomodate PvP guys within the current DZ meta because of the complaints that going rogue is too punishing.

          They should change it to where there is some reason to go rogue. The darkzone is suppose to be different than your regular PvE instances.

          The insanely steep penalty to dying (for rogues and non rogues), the way too generous drop rates of purples, the constant respawning of world bosses giving those purples all add up to there being no reason for the rogue mechanic to exist at all. That's a problem.
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          • The JareBear
            Be Good To One Another
            • Jul 2010
            • 11560

            #3410
            Re: The Division (Xbone/PS4/PC)

            Originally posted by Gerg04
            I'm not sure why they should change it at all. It is a PvP zone after all, no? Has never been billed otherwise....it shouldn't be easy for anyone. Why cater? It should be a risk/reward.

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            It's a high end PvE zone, best loot in the game drops from PvE content in the DZ. It also just happens to have optional PvP for those who choose to go rogue to steal other players loot.

            If players want to go rogue, they can. I haven't seen an argument I consider to be compelling that tells me it needs to be changed to cater more to rogue play.
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            • KingTocco
              Fino Alla Fine
              • Jul 2012
              • 3158

              #3411
              Re: The Division (Xbone/PS4/PC)

              This whole argument is just annoying at this point, the whole "if you don't like it, then don't play it" argument is so dated too.

              The Dark Zone has the best gear in the game, it's not a balanced enough game in terms of weapons/damage outputs/etc. for it to be strictly PvP.


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              • Burns11
                Greatness Has Arrived
                • Mar 2007
                • 7406

                #3412
                Re: The Division (Xbone/PS4/PC)

                Originally posted by Gerg04
                I'm not sure why they should change it at all. It is a PvP zone after all, no? Has never been billed otherwise....it shouldn't be easy for anyone. Why cater? It should be a risk/reward.

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                What are you talking about? All anybody has ever said were ways to make the DZ MORE accessible to PvP guys within the current game. The real complaints, currently, that I have seen was that the DZ was too punishing if you go rogue.

                And, no, DZ isn't a PvP mode, it's PvPvE.

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                • Gerg04
                  MVP
                  • Mar 2012
                  • 2647

                  #3413
                  Re: The Division (Xbone/PS4/PC)

                  Originally posted by The JareBear
                  It's a high end PvE zone, best loot in the game drops from PvE content in the DZ. It also just happens to have optional PvP for those who choose to go rogue to steal other players loot.

                  If players want to go rogue, they can. I haven't seen an argument I consider to be compelling that tells me it needs to be changed to cater more to rogue play.
                  See that to me means people aren't clear of what the DZ is...yea sure the drops come from NPC's, but it is not supposed to be a PvE environment. If it was, there would be no DZ at all and it would all be one massive PvE world where the only player-on-player interaction is in a group against NPC's.

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                  • The JareBear
                    Be Good To One Another
                    • Jul 2010
                    • 11560

                    #3414
                    Re: The Division (Xbone/PS4/PC)

                    Originally posted by Gerg04
                    See that to me means people aren't clear if what the DZ is...yea sure the drops come from NPC's, but it is not supposed to be a PvE environment. If it was, there would be no DZ at all and it would all be one massive PvE world where the only player-on-player interaction is in a group against NPC's.

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                    If it was strictly a PvP zone it would be Division's equivalent of Destiny's crucible, which it isn't.
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                    • kingkilla56
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Jun 2009
                      • 19395

                      #3415
                      The Division (Xbone/PS4/PC)

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                      • The JareBear
                        Be Good To One Another
                        • Jul 2010
                        • 11560

                        #3416
                        Re: The Division (Xbone/PS4/PC)

                        Originally posted by ratedmoney
                        Picked up the game a couple days ago and have finally had a chance to sit down and play. I've been bored with video games for a couple months now and have to say I'm loving this game so far. Hope this holds up.
                        What system you on, Money?
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                        • KingTocco
                          Fino Alla Fine
                          • Jul 2012
                          • 3158

                          #3417
                          Re: The Division (Xbone/PS4/PC)

                          Numerous posts on here have said "if you don't like it, don't play it"

                          I don't care who it was directed at but its such a narrow minded way of thinking.

                          Regardless if it's strictly PvP or partially PvP, it's not a balanced playing field for it to be entwined IMO. We are all level 30 yes, but you could have like 200,000 DPS to my 100,000 since I just hit 30 and I would get shredded.

                          Anyway, I'm bowing out of this argument now, I've said my points. Massive/Ubi will be making changes so we'll all have to wait and see what they come up with. I'm sure some will love it and others won't.


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                          • Gerg04
                            MVP
                            • Mar 2012
                            • 2647

                            #3418
                            Re: The Division (Xbone/PS4/PC)

                            Originally posted by Burns11
                            What are you talking about? All anybody has ever said were ways to make the DZ MORE accessible to PvP guys within the current game. The real complaints, currently, that I have seen was that the DZ was too punishing if you go rogue.

                            And, no, DZ isn't a PvP mode, it's PvPvE.
                            I'm not going to go back and quote them because I'm not saying anyone's opinion is wrong. But there has certainly been the exact opposite argument that people do not want more incentive to go rogue...
                            Originally posted by The JareBear
                            If it was strictly a PvP zone it would be Division's equivalent of Destiny's crucible, which it isn't.
                            Yes you're both right, sorry, it is not strictly PvP. But, from what I've always understood is it is a ruthless, dark place where you never know when a player will attack you. In fact, you should expect it because after all, that is the purpose of the Dark Zone.

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                            • The JareBear
                              Be Good To One Another
                              • Jul 2010
                              • 11560

                              #3419
                              Re: The Division (Xbone/PS4/PC)

                              I'm about halfway to up from lvl 46 to lvl 47 in DZ. goal is to get to 50 by tonight or tomorrow morning, those high end blueprints are niiiiiice. Wish me luck.

                              What did everyone think of that challenge mission daily yesterday (I guess still today, as well)?
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                              • KingTocco
                                Fino Alla Fine
                                • Jul 2012
                                • 3158

                                #3420
                                Re: The Division (Xbone/PS4/PC)

                                Originally posted by The JareBear
                                I'm about halfway to up from lvl 46 to lvl 47 in DZ. goal is to get to 50 by tonight or tomorrow morning, those high end blueprints are niiiiiice. Wish me luck.



                                What did everyone think of that challenge mission daily yesterday (I guess still today, as well)?

                                Good luck, me and my group tried it and got to the front of the power plant only to be destroyed instantly. We need some better gear. 2 of us bought the Vector last night and 1 got the Midas to drop (jealous) so hopefully we get some more good gear soon to attempt them.


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