15 yr old girl punched then pepper sprayed, justified.

[mgoblue]

Re: 15 yr old girl punched then pepper sprayed, justified.

I really think we only see the end of the arrest. It's the beginning where the cop would have talked feelings, offered her a piece of gum, etc...

[bkrich83]

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The cop actually says

"Miss, I don't want to force you, because you are small, but you have to listen to what I say". He gave her numerous verbal warnings.

[ODogg]

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I called her a skank, which, obviously, is a subjective term.

From wikipedia:

Skank is slang and a pejorative term used in English to describe a certain type of female. [1][2] The term "Skank" differs from that of "Slut" in that whereas the latter implies only sexual promiscuity; the former also implies poor taste, personally degrading behaviour and low socioeconomic class.

I came to that conclusion because of not only her gaunt and shabby looking physical appearance and taste in clothes but her behavior as well. Again, it's only my personal opinion and it has nothing to do with how (or in what fashion) the officer should have responded. It was just an observation because someone else said they found her sexually attractive.

[keRplunK]

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How can you say that for sure? The video we see all ready has one cuff on her (from trying to be nice and cuffing her before realizing she's not going to let him, so he lead her to the video just in case?). We don't know what lead to the cuffing, we just see her resisting arrest. From what we see, he was justified...I'd like to know all the information, is there a full news article outlining the rest?

I'm not really saying anything definitively, like I just said we don't know what happened before. We need to know what transpired before to have the complete story. But that's where we differ, from what I see he wasn't justified. In my view the police are there to protect the community, there is more to a police officers job than force.

[bkrich83]

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I'm not really saying anything definitively, like I just said we don't know what happened before. We need to know what transpired before to have the complete story. But that's where we differ, from what I see he wasn't justified. In my view the police are there to protect the community, there is more to a police officers job than force.

There wasn't any force until she bit him.

[MizzouBravesFan]

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He actually provoked her.

Oh I see he provoked her now.

So is a cop that walks up to two guys making a drug deal and does the same provoking them as well???

The law is the law, he wasn't friggin' provoking her.

And does anyone know if she was drunk, under the influence of narcotics, etc.? Could've made the struggle a lot more difficult.

[keRplunK]

Re: 15 yr old girl punched then pepper sprayed, justified.

I called her a skank, which, obviously, is a subjective term.

From wikipedia:

Skank is slang and a pejorative term used in English to describe a certain type of female. [1][2] The term "Skank" differs from that of "Slut" in that whereas the latter implies only sexual promiscuity; the former also implies poor taste, personally degrading behaviour and low socioeconomic class.

I came to that conclusion because of not only her gaunt physical appearance, taste in clothes but her behavior as well. Again, it's only my personal opinion and it has nothing to do with how (or in what fashion) the officer should have responded. It was just an observation because someone else said they found her attractive.

I'm glad you put so much thought into who you call a skank and who you call a slut.

[Heelfan71]

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Did he not abuse a child by twisting her arms repeatedly when she was clearly not acting rationally. A younger person has a higher chance of acting irrationally in that situation.

Watch the video. She starts out scared but okay, she then says "I didn't do anything"... The officer than instead of explaining to her what she did or finding a way to communicate to her what the situation was starts repeating "put your hands behind your back" ... He then starts twisting her arms (it starts hurting) she begins to lose control of herself.

That officer could have completely avoided the situation. He could have easily cuffed her arms in front, he could have actually acted like a human and not a robot and she probably would have responded.

I'm not saying that it was an easy situation, but saying "put your hands behind your back" wasn't working and in that situation she poses NO threat and all of it could have been avoided.

you keep saying she posed no threat like you were there. When a person refuses to obey orders and bites, they are a threat to the police officers safety period. That is why police officers are trained put someone in cuffs when they are acting hysterical. It's for the police officers safety. How big she is means jack squat. Too many police officers have lost their lives to take any chances with anyone.

[ODogg]

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I'm glad you put so much thought into who you call a skank and who you call a slut.

It's wikipedia's definition.

[keRplunK]

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So is a cop that walks up to two guys making a drug deal and does the same provoking them as well???

The law is the law, he wasn't friggin' provoking her.

If two guys make a drug deal and then a cop shows up and starts trying to arrest them with force that is harming them, and they react, the police officer did provoke them. They are minding their own business before he shows up.

Now in that scenario you can say that it's JUSTIFIED because he's stopping a drug deal, but that's a DIFFERENT argument.

[MizzouBravesFan]

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Well in the scenario that happened now it's legit because he's stopping someone underage from being out past curfew.

[mgoblue]

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If two guys make a drug deal and then a cop shows up and starts trying to arrest them with force, the police officer did provoke them. They are minding their own business.

Now in that scenario you can say that it's JUSTIFIED because he's stopping a drug deal, but that's a DIFFERENT argument.

I would have to know more about the situation, but in your case the cop was not justified in arresting them. Officers need probable cause to stop a car/look in on things. I've heard of cases where drug deal arrests were dropped because of illegal search and seizure (meaning the cop did not legally have a reason to go to the guys).

[keRplunK]

Re: 15 yr old girl punched then pepper sprayed, justified.

I would have to know more about the situation, but in your case the cop was not justified in arresting them. Officers need probable cause to stop a car/look in on things. I've heard of cases where drug deal arrests were dropped because of illegal search and seizure (meaning the cop did not legally have a reason to go to the guys).

I wasn't saying that in that situation the cop would be justified legally, just that I can see why someone would make the argument. Drugs are against the law so do what is necessary to stop them from being spread. But of course I would argue that the law isn't always correct.

[Heelfan71]

Re: 15 yr old girl punched then pepper sprayed, justified.

If two guys make a drug deal and then a cop shows up and starts trying to arrest them with force that is harming them, and they react, the police officer did provoke them. They are minding their own business before he shows up.

Now in that scenario you can say that it's JUSTIFIED because he's stopping a drug deal, but that's a DIFFERENT argument.

2 guys making a drug deal are minding their own business?

[keRplunK]

Re: 15 yr old girl punched then pepper sprayed, justified.

you keep saying she posed no threat like you were there. When a person refuses to obey orders and bites, they are a threat to the police officers safety period. That is why police officers are trained put someone in cuffs when they are acting hysterical. It's for the police officers safety. How big she is means jack squat. Too many police officers have lost their lives to take any chances with anyone.

Too many civilians suffer from police brutality.

Not all situations are the same, there is such thing as a "Use of force continuum."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_brutality#Incidence