Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

**jim416** · 01-07-2009, 09:54 PM

Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

I've watched the video closely (the second angle actually).

1) Man IS resisting. He does hold his hands up, but I don't know what the cops are telling him to do, but it appears they do have to struggle with him, and if you have to struggle with a suspect, that's resisting.

2) Watch the cop after he fires. He brings both hands up to the side of his head as if to say "what the f#4k!"

3) The cop should be going to jail for a long time regardless, I'm guessing manslaughter. His tazer, if he had one, should be on the opposite leg of his hand gun, so he'd be hard pressed to say he made a mistake.

**Cebby** · 01-07-2009, 10:00 PM

Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

Originally posted by baumy300

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAvP5pVb0xE

Ignorance rears its head once again.

I don't seem to remember the guy sitting against the wall jumping around an enclosed room striking police officers. He was face down on the ground.

**baumy300** · 01-07-2009, 10:01 PM

Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

Originally posted by Cebby

I don't seem to remember the guy sitting against the wall jumping around an enclosed room striking police officers. He was face down on the ground.

That video has nothing to do with this case in particular. This is in reference to the post I quoted regarding how "3 13 years olds" should be able to restrain a suspect.

**jim416** · 01-07-2009, 10:04 PM

Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

Originally posted by baumy300

That video has nothing to do with this case in particular. This is in reference to the post I quoted regarding how "3 13 years olds" should be able to restrain a suspect.

I wasn't going to comment anymore, but who said "3 13 year olds should be able to restrain a suspect"???????

**Brandon13** · 01-07-2009, 10:05 PM

Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

Originally posted by jim416

I wasn't going to comment anymore, but who said "3 13 year olds should be able to restrain a suspect"???????

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...post2039060517

**baumy300** · 01-07-2009, 10:07 PM

Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

Originally posted by jim416

I wasn't going to comment anymore, but who said "3 13 year olds should be able to restrain a suspect"???????

Originally posted by RAZRr1275

With 3 people you don't even need cuffs. I could get 3 13 year olds and they could successfully restrain that guy

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**jim416** · 01-07-2009, 10:13 PM

Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

That's a ridiculous statement.

I could invite any three of you to my house and I'll guarantee you it will take some major beating from any three of you to get me down and cooperating. I'm not trying to sound like a jerk, or macho, but if you think you can take down an irate woman by yourself using technics taught in the police academy you'd be pretty good. It isn't easy and stuff you see in the movies doesn't work.

Anyway, that one just sort of stuck out.

**p_rushing** · 01-07-2009, 10:24 PM

Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

Originally posted by jim416

That's a ridiculous statement.

I could invite any three of you to my house and I'll guarantee you it will take some major beating from any three of you to get me down and cooperating. I'm not trying to sound like a jerk, or macho, but if you think you can take down an irate woman by yourself using technics taught in the police academy you'd be pretty good. It isn't easy and stuff you see in the movies doesn't work.

Anyway, that one just sort of stuck out.

Most people don't understand what cops have to do when arrest and restrain someone. They have to do it with as little injury/pain as possible. Sure they could slam them to the ground, dislocate both shoulders and end any struggling within 5-10 seconds, but they can't do that. That's why you see 3, 4, or even 5+ cops take down a suspect. They get them to the ground and then basically put their weight on them to get the cuffs on. Its just like they do with alligators.

Honestly I don't think the cop meant to do it, but he should go to jail for doing it.

**Scottdau** · 01-07-2009, 10:26 PM

Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

Originally posted by jim416

That's a ridiculous statement.

I could invite any three of you to my house and I'll guarantee you it will take some major beating from any three of you to get me down and cooperating. I'm not trying to sound like a jerk, or macho, but if you think you can take down an irate woman by yourself using technics taught in the police academy you'd be pretty good. It isn't easy and stuff you see in the movies doesn't work.

Anyway, that one just sort of stuck out.

Jim I would kick your *** with just me and 2 10 year olds!

**Cebby** · 01-07-2009, 10:30 PM

Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

Originally posted by jim416

That's a ridiculous statement.

I could invite any three of you to my house and I'll guarantee you it will take some major beating from any three of you to get me down and cooperating. I'm not trying to sound like a jerk, or macho, but if you think you can take down an irate woman by yourself using technics taught in the police academy you'd be pretty good. It isn't easy and stuff you see in the movies doesn't work.

Anyway, that one just sort of stuck out.

I would bet me and two friends would get you down if you were sitting down and then got on the ground like the person in question did. They didn't have a problem getting him on the ground.

**jim416** · 01-07-2009, 10:34 PM

Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

Cebby, I'm not going to argue with you with your comments about cops in general, but I'll tell you right now....you and your two friends???? If I lock my arms together you'll play hell trying to pry them apart, yeah, you and your two friends, I'll bet.

Didn't you see where I said the cop is going to jail. I'm not going to get in p@s#ing contest with you.

**jim416** · 01-07-2009, 10:34 PM

Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

Originally posted by Scottdau

Jim I would kick your *** with just me and 2 10 year olds!

LOL, you had to have two kids named King Kong and Godzilla. I give! I give!

**Scottdau** · 01-07-2009, 10:37 PM

Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

Originally posted by jim416

LOL, you had to have two kids named King Kong and Godzilla. I give! I give!

LMAO. I thought that was funny.

**Knight165** · 01-07-2009, 10:42 PM

Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

Originally posted by Cebby

I would bet me and two friends would get you down if you were sitting down and then got on the ground like the person in question did. They didn't have a problem getting him on the ground.

Cebby...

I know we disagree...A LOT....
But this has nothing to do with it.

NO.....WAY...

Plain and simple.

If I(or you) wanted to......and the person trying was doing nothing more than trying to restrain and cuff(barring a "lucky cuff"..)...it could go on for a LONG time.

That being said.....those P.O.'s made some big mistakes(not the obvious one either...)...
One huge one would be that unless that guy was reaching for something...even with the resisting...I would not go for my weapon. I already had him down. I'd just sit on him until we could cuff him.
He's going down for manslaughter....
But murder? No way. He messed up...BIG TIME...but it was negligence...not murder. C'mon.

M.K.
Knight165

**Cebby** · 01-07-2009, 10:45 PM

Re: Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

Originally posted by jim416

Cebby, I'm not going to argue with you with your comments about cops in general, but I'll tell you right now....you and your two friends????

If you act like the person in the video, then yes, me and any 2 people I know could restrain you. The person in question didn't begin to really struggle until he was already on the ground. I'm fairly certain I could keep a man who's on the ground on the ground.

Man shot in the back by cops, while on the ground

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