Terrorism in Orlando

[Chip Douglass]

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Yep, no need to turn this topic political and have it closed up but I think there's SOME common ground that can be made towards common sense thinking.

A Muslim man/wannabe ISIS member used a semi-automatic weapon to massacre 50 people in a gay nightclub. Gonna be hard to keep the political genie in the bottle.

Does it really matter? Pro Isis, isis sympathizers, actual members. All the same to me.

It does. You're making ISIS more powerful than it seems when you ascribe the actions of one person only tangentially involved (as far as we can tell right now) with it, to ISIS.

If an American citizen walked into a mosque in the West Bank and massacred Palestinians, it wouldn't be logical/fair to blame the US for it.

[DamnYanks2]

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A Muslim man/wannabe ISIS member used a semi-automatic weapon to massacre 50 people in a gay nightclub. Gonna be hard to keep the political genie in the bottle.



It does. You're making ISIS more powerful than it seems when you ascribe the actions of one person only tangentially involved (as far as we can tell right now) with it, to ISIS.

If an American citizen walked into a mosque in the West Bank and massacred Palestinians, it wouldn't be logical/fair to blame the US for it.

Never, anywhere did I condemn a country for it. The fact of the matter is he's likely pro Isis. It's the same bs that happened in Paris and Brussels, enough is enough.

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[TripleCrown9]

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Never, anywhere did I condemn a country for it. The fact of the matter is he's likely pro Isis. It's the same bs that happened in Paris and Brussels, enough is enough.

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The difference is ISIS claimed responsibility for those. This was some dude that hated homosexuals and used the name of the organization to justify his actions.

[DamnYanks2]

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I don't need to wait to hear Isis claim responsibility, they sure as hell support it.

He pledged allegiance to Isis in a 911 call, and unfortunately there will likely be more to come.

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[TheMatrix31]

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http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/06/12/orlando-nightclub-shooting/

Welp. They claimed responsibility.


And some dude was arrested in Santa Monica with a bunch of weapons and was planning on launching an attack on the pride parade here in LA too. So this very likely wasn't a "lone wolf" thing.

[PVarck31]

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Absolutely horrifying. Its hard to even wrap my head around how bad this is.

[LambertandHam]

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I'm not sure if this is within the TOS, so if I over step I will delete or if a mod could delete for me...

This seems like another Boston Marathon Bomber mistake by the FBI. They talked to him three times within a year and each time they found nothing. He had contact with extremists and threatened coworkers.

[Chip Douglass]

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Wish I was surprised by this but I'm not

The momentary outrage and soul-searching from this latest mass shooting will pass. And a few weeks or months from now, some degenerate will walk into a church, school, or library and massacre another 10+ people. The momentary outrage and soul-searching will pass. Rinse and repeat.

[The JareBear]

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I never know what to say when these kinds of things happen. I feel my words are inappropriate as they just don't do it justice.

I know it's a slippery slope when getting into political and religious views. All I will say, and I hope it's ok for me to say this, is it makes me sad knowing that there are fellow human beings have so much hate in their hearts. Makes me really sad.

I wish there was something I could do for the victims and their loved ones. My heart goes out to all those affected by this unspeakably horrific crime. The world is a scary place.

When I was reading the thread earlier, the discussion reminded me of a quote from Margaret Thatcher, which was said in a different time, in a different region, regarding a much different threat, but it still rings clearly in my head....

“There is no such thing as political murder, political bombing, political violence. There is only criminal murder, criminal bombing, and criminal violence. There will be no political status.”

I'm just really sad. I wish there was a way to safely, legally, and fairly prevent these things from ever happening but I guess that's just naive of me to hope for. Hate always finds a way.

[Cusefan]

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I wish there was something I could do for the victims and their loved ones. My heart goes out to all those affected by this unspeakably horrific crime. The world is a scary place.

Go out and give blood.

I also would not put much credence into ISIS taking responsibility for this, They probably had as much of a clue this guy was going to do this as the FBI did.

[ThePPL]

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It really is a scary thought. If someone can obtain an assault rifle, can't more people be inspired to do this again? Can US make laws more stricter to access these dangerous weapons or have they already opened Pandora's box and have made it too complicated to close?

[Blzer]

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And some dude was arrested in Santa Monica with a bunch of weapons and was planning on launching an attack on the pride parade here in LA too. So this very likely wasn't a "lone wolf" thing.

Scary that I'm staying in a hotel on Santa Monica Blvd. as we speak.

[Knight165]

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I'm not sure if this is within the TOS, so if I over step I will delete or if a mod could delete for me...

This seems like another Boston Marathon Bomber mistake by the FBI. They talked to him three times within a year and each time they found nothing. He had contact with extremists and threatened coworkers.

I wouldn't say it's a mistake.

The civil rights of the people of the U.S. trump being able to just round up suspects without some pretty solid proof of wrong doing.
(and not just association and guilt by association...it just doesn't exist any longer)
And rightfully so.

It's unfortunate that the F.B.I. and law enforcement in general doesn't have the resources to watch everyone on their lists more closely and more often.
There are just way too many on those lists to do this.

Unfortunately, the outcome is incidents like this.

It's a really tough situation to control.

M.K.
Knight165

[LambertandHam]

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I wouldn't say it's a mistake.

The civil rights of the people of the U.S. trump being able to just round up suspects without some pretty solid proof of wrong doing.
(and not just association and guilt by association...it just doesn't exist any longer)
And rightfully so.

It's unfortunate that the F.B.I. and law enforcement in general doesn't have the resources to watch everyone on their lists more closely and more often.
There are just way too many on those lists to do this.

Unfortunately, the outcome is incidents like this.

It's a really tough situation to control.

M.K.
Knight165

You said it better than I did at the time, I agree 100%.

[SPTO]

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I wouldn't say it's a mistake.

The civil rights of the people of the U.S. trump being able to just round up suspects without some pretty solid proof of wrong doing.
(and not just association and guilt by association...it just doesn't exist any longer)

I wouldn't say it's a mistake either BUT I also don't think the FBI's hands should be tied the way it has been here. Apparently this guy was on terror watchlists. Obviously, they can't go and round him up and throw him in some detention center BUT there is absolutely NO WAY he should've been able to buy an assault rifle and gun down all those people. In fact, there was a law that was proposed that would specifically prohibit those on terror lists from buying firearms of any kind.

You wanna guess what happened to said law? Yep, the GOP blocked it and screamed "2ND AMMENDMENT! 2ND AMMENDMENT!". If anything, i'm putting some of the onus on the lawmakers that are actively making the job of the FBI and intelligence agencies a lot harder than it need be.

BTW this guy doesn't feel like an actual ISIS fighter. ISIS attacks have been very public but never attached to any kind of political agenda (get rid of gay people) though he definitely is strongly in their mindset. I know that ISIS has claimed responsibility but i feel like that's more them being opportunistic. The FBI and other intelligence services have said there's no direct link but they also said it'll take some time to fully suss it out. I wouldn't be surprised if he's an ISIS fighter but a part of me doesn't believe he is. Unfortunately ISIS has muddied the waters and sowed paranoia with their claim of responsibility.


(i'm sorry for the political nature of this post. Please delete if you feel like it)