Terrorism in Orlando

[DamnYanks2]

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The war on terror is probably never going to end. You can kill all of ISIS which is doubtful but another group will just pop up.

That is very true, but you can cut the head off the snake. Which is what needs to be done. Terrorism will always exist unfortunately, but it should not be this widespread.

People forget Iraq and Afghanistan was pretty damn successful. Most terror cells were wiped out, and forced these groups to be on defense, and scattered them.

Not going into specifics, but that was successful. The problem was trying to occupy and create a democracy. Which is basically impossible.

Their needs to be a ground operation into Syria, wipe out command centers, and terror cells, and to protect the refugees, until the threat is much lower.

We do not occupy Syria, we aren't trying to change its government, but merely stabilize the situation, and scatter these cockroaches. And I don't mean airstrikes and drone strikes, the object will be to annihilate this group.

And if we declare war NATO can go in and do the job, we don't have a long, calculating war like Iraq, and we can stabilize that region.



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[dickey1331]

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Without completely changing the area you're just going to have the same problems over and over again. Which is why we keep going over to the Middle East.

[cjonesfan921]

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DY, I think to the contrary, we are trying to change Syria's government. I'm not necessarily against that, but we have done just that through supplying 'rebels' in that area.

The real issue we have, and I'm not sure how to change that without it being a long drawn out process, is we are decimating areas and civilians as part of collateral damage. You have kids/teens growing up and remembering people they've lost or homes that were crushed and they only blame us.

Something needs to be done, I just have no clue what/

[slickdtc]

Terrorism in Orlando

And that doesn't even take in to account the big guns and who they're backing in a place like Syria. We go in there and end up fighting Russian forces (we support the rebels, they support the current regime), and then we have WWIII.

It's a cluster.

There's been tons of posturing and toeing the line between some extremely powerful nations of late, and it only takes an event like going in to the Middle East to be the spark that ignites the powder keg.

We all have nuclear weapons now. You can't go to war head-to-head anymore because it just means the end of the world for all.

We're stuck in neutral on an incline with this situation. Hands tied. We can't allow terrorists to take liberties with us, but we retaliate hastily and it's more disastrous. And ISIS aren't relegated to one country either, so if you want to wipe them out you're going to multiple countries. We've already got our hands on everything, and we want to stretch ourselves even more thin? A campaign like that requires everybody to be on the same page, and that's never going to happen.

[countryboy]

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For all the talk about "lone wolf" blah blah, he sure wasn't that alone. His wife was scouting targets with him including Disney stuff around and even drove him to the club on one occasion. She knew and didn't say anything. Oh but she "tried to talk him out of it," lol. My ***.

http://www.bizpacreview.com/2016/06/...nt-says-352546

And apparently the feds are going to bring charges against her.

[SPTO]

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That is very true, but you can cut the head off the snake. Which is what needs to be done. Terrorism will always exist unfortunately, but it should not be this widespread.

People forget Iraq and Afghanistan was pretty damn successful. Most terror cells were wiped out, and forced these groups to be on defense, and scattered them.

Not going into specifics, but that was successful. The problem was trying to occupy and create a democracy. Which is basically impossible.

Their needs to be a ground operation into Syria, wipe out command centers, and terror cells, and to protect the refugees, until the threat is much lower.

We do not occupy Syria, we aren't trying to change its government, but merely stabilize the situation, and scatter these cockroaches. And I don't mean airstrikes and drone strikes, the object will be to annihilate this group.

And if we declare war NATO can go in and do the job, we don't have a long, calculating war like Iraq, and we can stabilize that region.



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Just a couple things to note here:

1. ISIS to my knowledge doesn't really have a centralized leadership like Al Qaeda which made weakening that group a lot easier in some ways as Bin Laden was the head of it and he had a few lieutenants who went on to take leadership roles and were either killed or captured. ISIS is largely diffused and scattered. There are leaders for sure but they're all over the place in the middle east and even some top people in Europe. It's not that easy.

2. As CJones and slickdtc mentioned it's not that easy to just go into Syria and take them down. First of all, Syria has a strong relationship with Russia and you're just asking for Russia to take advantage of such a situation by either reacting militarily or using the UN as a bully pulpit to scold the US. Unfortunately, a lot of what would be said is pretty true. The United States has a history of abusing its power covertly and sometimes not so covertly. The cycle of violence will only lead the young people there to hate America even more.

There is no easy answer and if you're going to go in militarily than you might as well face facts and accept that the United States will forevermore face itself with a quasi-colony in the territory and one that will be met with severe antagonism. The Middle East does NOT want to be Westernized. There are a couple areas in the region that are quasi-western states but by and large these are countries that have had cultural and religious norms that they don't want some foreign power to take away from them. If you look at Iran, while still a theocracy the populace DID elect a more moderate leadership the last time they were given the opportunity.

In the end there is no "good" solution. You either make America an occupying force with an antagonistic populace or you are stuck in neutral with very small incremental action that we've been seeing for most of Obama's administration. The sad fact is, unlike Vietnam you can't just walk out and everything will be fine but at the same time you can't force yourself into a more aggressive stance because the ramifications will be HUGE. It may seem like we're seeing the results of actions over the last near 20 years but really, this is a generational thing and the first true results won't be seen for another 30.

[DamnYanks2]

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I fear a war with Russia in one way or the other is imminent. Their recent aggression in the world has made them very unpopular.

NATO has recently set up on the borders of Ukraine to protect its allies.

Russia can not be a deciding factor in taking the war to Isis. Cutting the head off the snake begins in Syria.




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[The JareBear]

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I saw that snapchat video of the girl in the club where you can hear shots starting to be fired in the background. So insane....

[ThePPL]

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I saw that snapchat video of the girl in the club where you can hear shots starting to be fired in the background. So insane....

I saw that video too. Sadly she didn't make it. Those footages makes the whole event even more sureal.

[dickey1331]

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I fear a war with Russia in one way or the other is imminent. Their recent aggression in the world has made them very unpopular.

NATO has recently set up on the borders of Ukraine to protect its allies.

Russia can not be a deciding factor in taking the war to Isis. Cutting the head off the snake begins in Syria.




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I highly doubt we go to war with Russia in our lifetime. It's just a dance we do with them.

[SPTO]

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Man, this Orlando shooter led some kind of life....


ORLANDO - A newly unearthed documentary clip shows Orlando nightclub shooter Omar Mateen talking cynically about people who make money off disasters.

The clip from 2012's "The Big Fix" shows Mateen chatting with an undercover film crew while working as a security guard at a BP oil spill cleanup site on the Florida panhandle.

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[DamnYanks2]

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I highly doubt we go to war with Russia in our lifetime. It's just a dance we do with them.

I hope not, I don't want any war. Let me make that clear. But conditions are becoming more and more favorable, Syria is a major ally of Russia, if their is a coalition formed to overthrow that government, their will be a call for Russia to repel NATO.

Knowing Putin's history and his level of pride, he would more then likely answer that call.

Thus would start a war. Although I do believe nuclear war could be prevented. Putin is not stupid, but he's also not the type to back down.

And he's feeling heavy pressure from a multitude of countries that are frustrated with his recent conflicts with Ukraine and Georgia.

For the first time in a long time the US is not looked at as a major aggressor. Russia is taking that spot.


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[SPTO]

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I don't think a war with Russia is on the cards, even a conventional one. Putin will sabre rattle but in the end it's all bluster in order to get his way with negotiations on various different topics.

[DamnYanks2]

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I don't believe Putin plays games, he is intelligent, and has a gameplan.

Do I think Russia wants an all out war with the US, hell no, he's not insane.

But he does want to significantly further Russia's role in the world to a super power status, and expand its power.

And the US and Russia are on a collision course once again. It's going to get ugly, this doesn't mean a full scale war of course. But I believe their will be a collision at some point.

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[DamnYanks2]

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I just wanted to add, it's amazing and almost unheard of the amount of rational conversation going on in here.

Nobody has gotten political, and has stayed on course. OS is the greatest. I value each and everybody's opinion, just a good discussion going on in here.



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