Terrorism in Orlando

[RAZRr1275]

Re: Terrorism in Orlando

You can go to war all you want. It won't change anything. This isn't an enemy with borders.

How are you going to stop the dude down the street who goes down to the local community office building and shoots up a Christmas party like in San Bernardino?

How are you going to stop someone from going and stabbing people at a restaurant with a machete like in Columbus?

How are you going to stop a "student" from stabbing a bunch of people like at UC Merced?

How are you going to stop someone from setting pressure cooker bombs at marathons like in Boston?

How are you going to stop the guy who beheads a coworker like in Oklahoma City?

How are you going to stop the guy who takes an ax to cops on the streets of NYC?

This Orlando **** was met by the FBI multiple times and each time, for whatever reason, he was let off the hook. Hell, even AFTER the fact, his wife has been revealed to be an accomplice and yet she hasn't been charged yet.

How exactly?

It's not in some far away land. It's here. And in Canada. And in Europe. And in Australia. And in South America. And in Asia. And everywhere else you can fathom. And this is precisely the reason why they're not. To do things like this among us. And it's very clear, given the post-attack discourse, that nobody is serious about this.

The ideology has metastasized and it is impossible to stop. We're just going to have to deal with it. The time to do something about it has long since passed.

Exactly this. We're now in a situation where war both will not fix the issue and will result in many more dead. There is literally nothing rational we can do except accept the attacks that come and be smarter about our prevention methods.

[DamnYanks2]

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Terror, and mass killing will never end. That's not the point.

This stuff has been going on since the beginning of time, nobody is arguing that.

Your going to always have psychopaths, but there's no reason that we have to deal with foreign terror in our country.

Isis grows because of their outreach. Radicalizing weak minded people to their cause.

We have terror cells right here in this country, and why is that? There's no logical reason, we know they are here, we know what their teaching, but we allow it.

You shutdown this pro Isis garbage, this hate speech, that's not free speech, you want to promote hate, you want to support Isis, then you get out, any imam that wants to kill gays, deported.

We shutdown their networks. It's a very attainable goal. We allow this to fester we are going to be sorry.

These aren't difficult solutions. The FBI is excellent, but they haven't been allowed to crack down like they should be able to.

Like I said we are already at war, but it's a weak strategy. United States is a powerful country, but it's not using all its resources, the world goes all in Isis cells would be destroyed in months.

Of course radicals will still exist, but they won't be organized, they will be scattered.

That's what happened in Afghanistan and Iraq, the cells were destroyed, sure they still existed, but many of their networks were destroyed.

Isis can be dealt with, but only by someone serious about it.





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[RAZRr1275]

Re: Terrorism in Orlando

Terror, and mass killing will never end. That's not the point.

This stuff has been going on since the beginning of time, nobody is arguing that.

Your going to always have psychopaths, but there's no reason that we have to deal with foreign terror in our country.

Isis grows because of their outreach. Radicalizing weak minded people to their cause.

We have terror cells right here in this country, and why is that? There's no logical reason, we know they are here, we know what their teaching, but we allow it.

You shutdown this pro Isis garbage, this hate speech, that's not free speech, you want to promote hate, you want to support Isis, then you get out, any imam that wants to kill gays, deported.

We shutdown their networks. It's a very attainable goal. We allow this to fester we are going to be sorry.

These aren't difficult solutions. The FBI is excellent, but they haven't been allowed to crack down like they should be able to.

Like I said we are already at war, but it's a weak strategy. United States is a powerful country, but it's not using all its resources, the world goes all in Isis cells would be destroyed in months.

Of course radicals will still exist, but they won't be organized, they will be scattered.

That's what happened in Afghanistan and Iraq, the cells were destroyed, sure they still existed, but many of their networks were destroyed.

Isis can be dealt with, but only by someone serious about it.





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1) Yes, shutting down networks is cool but censorship isn't a good idea. There are Christians who think that the Bible commands that gays should be killed. Should we deport them too? Most of them will not actually kill anyone. Am I condoning hate speech? No. But you fight ideology with a counter ideology and education not extermination of a viewpoint. We should crack down more, yes, but it's not as easy as you make it. It's the internet so the second we shut down one network a new one will pop up.

2) You misunderstand a few things about this 1) It's not foreign terror on our soil. It's domestic - these people are 100% born and bred American and have nothing to do with the Middle East for the most part other than inspiration. 2) Your notion of disorganized, scattered radicals is the status quo. These attacks for the most part aren't the product of some big shot caller like Bin Laden. ISIS is spread across several countries with several leaders. There is no head of the snake to cut off. If you think Afghanistan and Iraq were remotely successful at dismantling anything, I'm not sure what to say. The very fact that what we considered the JV team filled the vacuum should prove that isn't the case. Again, the issue is no "solution" is permanent. We destroy ISIS, we get a new group with a new name that does the same crap at the cost of many American and foreign lives and/or freedoms in whatever we wind up doing to make an attempt. It's not worth it.

[TheMatrix31]

Re: Terrorism in Orlando

Well no. They are the product of big shot callers. They issue directives and fatwas and suggestions. They're the ones who've told their cultists what to do and to seek it out whenever possible. It's almost like lasseiz-faire terrorism. They've led their horses to water, and they have no problem drinking it.

We are a country and world of profoundly unserious people. Until that changes, nothing will change.

[RAZRr1275]

Re: Terrorism in Orlando

Well no. They are the product of big shot callers. They issue directives and fatwas and suggestions. They're the ones who've told their cultists what to do and to seek it out whenever possible. It's almost like lasseiz-faire terrorism. They've led their horses to water, and they have no problem drinking it.

We are a country and world of profoundly unserious people. Until that changes, nothing will change.

I don't disagree with your characterization - It's just a fundamentally different mechanism than that of say Al Qaeda where there's a straight up top down order to do specific attack in a specific way at a certain time and place. This is more of an opportunistic strategy as you said of encouraging attacks and claiming them when they occur. It's mechanism that takes a different strategy to beat since killing a leader isn't going to help when the issue is a big propaganda machine. I think we agree -- just a hangup in terminology.

[DamnYanks2]

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I don't know of any Christian organizations calling for the killing of gay's, they might condemn it, but their not calling for them to be gunned down. Big difference.

Example; the loony Westboro church hates gay's,but their not actively plotting to kill them.

I'm not talking back knocking on doors and detaining people, but if you are inciting violence, their should be consequences.

Point black, it's not acceptable for this to happen in this country, and nobody can tell me otherwise.

It's not going away though man, we cant just sit here and do what were doing. This is war, and it's going to escalate whether we like it or not.

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[DamnYanks2]

Re: Terrorism in Orlando

Well no. They are the product of big shot callers. They issue directives and fatwas and suggestions. They're the ones who've told their cultists what to do and to seek it out whenever possible. It's almost like lasseiz-faire terrorism. They've led their horses to water, and they have no problem drinking it.

We are a country and world of profoundly unserious people. Until that changes, nothing will change.

That I agree with, it's gonna take another 9/11 to convince people how dangerous Isis is. And that we have to fight terror for as long as it takes with everything we have.

But that's what's so frustrating, more lives have to be lost, for people to get their heads out of their asses, and it's not necessary.

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[TripleCrown9]

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I don't know of any Christian organizations calling for the killing of gay's, they might condemn it, but their not calling for them to be gunned down. Big difference.

Example; the loony Westboro church hates gay's,but their not actively plotting to kill them.

I'm not talking back knocking on doors and detaining people, but if you are inciting violence, their should be consequences.

Point black, it's not acceptable for this to happen in this country, and nobody can tell me otherwise.

It's not going away though man, we cant just sit here and do what were doing. This is war, and it's going to escalate whether we like it or not.

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http://www.rawstory.com/2016/06/these-7-christian-leaders-showed-their-love-by-celebrating-the-orlando-nightclub-massacre/

[DamnYanks2]

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http://www.rawstory.com/2016/06/thes...club-massacre/

And I wish each one of them were deported. They are disgrace to humanity.

But I don't see Pat Roberson and The Westboro cowards telling their members to go on shooting sprees.

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[RAZRr1275]

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And I wish each one of them were deported. They are disgrace to humanity.

But I don't see Pat Roberson and The Westboro cowards telling their members to go on shooting sprees.

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You realize they and their followers would love nothing more than to be deported because it proves them right that we live in a 100% pc world that wants to deny them their right to free speech? That would only make them more popular. We don't get rid of these people, we try to make it less likely that people like them show up in the future.

[TripleCrown9]

Re: Terrorism in Orlando

And I wish each one of them were deported. They are disgrace to humanity.

But I don't see Pat Roberson and The Westboro cowards telling their members to go on shooting sprees.

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They certainly aren't discouraging it, either.

[DamnYanks2]

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They certainly aren't discouraging it, either.

Well of course they aren't, their bigots. The wbc are the same ****s who picket soldiers funerals.

Roberson is just mad he's never right. every year he predicts the end of the world. He's a moron.

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[TheMatrix31]

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That I agree with, it's gonna take another 9/11 to convince people how dangerous Isis is. And that we have to fight terror for as long as it takes with everything we have.

But that's what's so frustrating, more lives have to be lost, for people to get their heads out of their asses, and it's not necessary.

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You could have something 10 times more catastrophic than 9/11 and people still won't care or understand. People are past that point.

[Millennium]

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I'm going to reiterate this -

There is an EXTREMELY fine line to the TOS being toed here. No politics, no prejudice and no attacks.

And don't do any of this masked as anything else, either.

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[DamnYanks2]

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You realize they and their followers would love nothing more than to be deported because it proves them right that we live in a 100% pc world that wants to deny them their right to free speech? That would only make them more popular. We don't get rid of these people, we try to make it less likely that people like them show up in the future.

I could care less, no need for individuals like that to have free speech. Of course we are talking hypothetically here.

Wbc, Roberson, etc. Are just bigots and cowards, their not killers.

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