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  • JayhawkerStL
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    • Apr 2004
    • 3644

    #2371
    Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

    Slate: Georgia’s Reopening Depended on Missing Data: There’s a lag between when COVID-19 is found and when we know about it.




    There are several reasons the epidemic may appear to be declining, even when cases are steady. First, there are delays between testing and reporting due to the time it takes to transport samples and backlogs in analysis, and then the time it takes to record and report those tests to the state. Second, confirmed COVID-19 cases are assigned to the date the test was performed, not the date when the results come back, which could be days to several weeks later. This means that numbers will constantly be retroactively adjusted. And while this may be acceptable practice in the context of intervention efforts, if we don’t acknowledge and account for the delay, it will provide a faulty barometer to those who want to use recent case reports as a real-time measure of the epidemic trajectory.

    One of the criteria in the “Opening Up America Again” guidelines issued by the White House stipulates that cases should be on a downward trajectory over a 14-day period. But this 14-day period is precisely when case numbers are underreported. The infographic shows that while new cases appeared to be falling between April 15 and April 29 when viewed on April 29, in hindsight, new reported cases were at similar levels in late April as in early April. Notably, the highest recorded number of new cases up to that point was recorded on April 27, days before reopening. It was not clear at the time it was announced that Georgia met the conditions for reopening. Today we know those conditions were not met.
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    • Fresh Tendrils
      Strike Hard and Fade Away
      • Jul 2002
      • 36131

      #2372
      Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

      Georgia's Governor made it very transparent that science or facts had nothing to do with their decision to reopen.



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      • mkharsh33
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        • Nov 2006
        • 12782

        #2373
        Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

        My mom is hospitalized with COVID-19. She had a positive test on Monday. She is a resident at a phenomenal 5-star nursing home / care facility. They have taken extreme measures and every conceivable precaution. But you simply can't stop this.

        She is doing better - almost 70 years old. She has Parkinson's Disease, and so we have obvious concerns. Her fever spiked early in the week at 104 for two days, but is now at 101. Her lungs sound good and clear. She is able to eat. Her oxygen use is at 3-4 liters. So we take all of these as positives.

        My dad is struggling. They will be married for 50 years soon. He made a very hard decision a few years ago to put here there BUT she's getting phenomenal care. My dad was a factory worker in a stamping plant his entire life. He worked HARD - and I mean it was hard stuff. He never missed time, even working on a broken foot. He's emotionally spent, and I deal with the brunt of it. It's testing my patience, but I'm trying to be very understanding and empathetic. None of us have seen mom since early-March. Dad misses her, but I've tried to be very practical with him, and its working. She is where she needs to be, and there will be a time to see her. If this would turn for the worst...well, I'd deal with that later.

        The facility where mom is had their first positive case 3 weeks ago (I think) on a Friday. Now, this is a HUGE facility with two separate living areas for elderly, including many villas (homes) on the campus of many acres. It spread FAST - and there was nothing anyone could obviously do. My understanding is we now have nearly 100 infected residents, and around 20-25 staff. My mom has seen a lessened staff due to people quitting. For reference, her wing typically has 3 doctors - due to staff leaving, she now has 1. And it may have been overlooked/neglected at first. Again, they're doing the best they can in these trying times.

        If you have family and your health, don't take them for granted. I haven't seen my mom since March 14th. I couldn't call her on Mother's Day because she was incoherent and very sick. But we're hopeful she's making progress. Appreciate your kind words and prayers on her behalf. Thanks.
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        • KG
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          • Sep 2005
          • 17583

          #2374
          Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

          Today’s the first day that it’s been hot in Md (~80) and I’m burning up in this n95 mask. Gonna be a long summer [emoji2363]


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          • steelerfan
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            • Jun 2003
            • 4350

            #2375
            Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

            mkharsh33,

            Sorry to hear about your mother, I'm glad to hear there are some positive signs pointing toward recovery. Make a little time for yourself each day to keep yourself sane while you deal with your parents very different needs. Best wishes.

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            • bigfnjoe96
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              • Feb 2004
              • 11410

              #2376
              Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

              Sending prayers to you and your family MK.

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              • stlducks
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                • Mar 2010
                • 2888

                #2377
                Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

                Originally posted by KG
                Today’s the first day that it’s been hot in Md (~80) and I’m burning up in this n95 mask. Gonna be a long summer [emoji2363]


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                I can honestly only wear the mask for a few minutes at a time. I have asthma and have always had issues breathing when things are close to my mouth. The masks make me feel like I'm suffocating and can hardly catch my breath.
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                • The Chef
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                  • Sep 2003
                  • 13684

                  #2378
                  Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

                  Originally posted by steelerfan
                  Meanwhile here in Texas, we had the highest number of deaths and new cases yesterday. Re-opening began on May 1st.
                  True but I also read that here in TX they've done as many tests already this month as they did the last 2 months combined. If that's the case then stands to reason we will see more positive tests coming back then before. I also read the percentage of positive tests was 13% here and has dropped to roughly 5% now so while the raw number makes it look like opening up backfired if the numbers I mentioned are to be believed then its not nearly as bad.

                  Just went and looked up the figures. Texas did 330k tests in March and April combined and has already done over 330k tests in half of May.

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                  • superjames1992
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                    • Jun 2007
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                    #2379
                    Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

                    Originally posted by Sportsforever
                    Virginia opened up under "phase one" today; saw that the restaurants, salons, etc are open now...and they are PACKED. There was literally a line out the door and around the corner for the salon, some restaurants doing live music and there wasn't an open seat/spot outside. Will be interesting to see how it plays out...
                    I think restaurants are only open for outdoor seating at reduced capacity for VA in phase one?

                    Assuming nothing goes pie-shaped in the next week, North Carolina will likely move to phase 2 next Friday, which will allow restaurants, etc. to open at reduced capacity. We'll see how that goes. Our southern/western neighbors (Georgia, South Carolina, and Tennessee) have already done this and Tennessee and South Carolina actually have higher per capita deaths than we do.

                    The experiences of a lot of the states that have started to reopen (Colorado, Georgia, etc.) seems encouraging thus far, although it's still too early to know for sure yet as there's going to be a lag.
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                    • superjames1992
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                      • Jun 2007
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                      #2380
                      Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

                      Originally posted by The Chef
                      True but I also read that here in TX they've done as many tests already this month as they did the last 2 months combined. If that's the case then stands to reason we will see more positive tests coming back then before. I also read the percentage of positive tests was 13% here and has dropped to roughly 5% now so while the raw number makes it look like opening up backfired if the numbers I mentioned are to be believed then its not nearly as bad.

                      Just went and looked up the figures. Texas did 330k tests in March and April combined and has already done over 330k tests in half of May.

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                      Exactly, there's a lot media malfeasance here with some of these hyped doomsday reports. Of course cases are going to "explode" if the number of tests increase...that's common sense. The worst thing is that a lot of media outlets are actually encouraging states to not test as much as they could because it leads to bad media coverage with case counts increasing. It's maddening.
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                      • JayhawkerStL
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                        • Apr 2004
                        • 3644

                        #2381
                        Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

                        Originally posted by The Chef
                        True but I also read that here in TX they've done as many tests already this month as they did the last 2 months combined. If that's the case then stands to reason we will see more positive tests coming back then before. I also read the percentage of positive tests was 13% here and has dropped to roughly 5% now so while the raw number makes it look like opening up backfired if the numbers I mentioned are to be believed then its not nearly as bad.

                        Just went and looked up the figures. Texas did 330k tests in March and April combined and has already done over 330k tests in half of May.

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                        You just illustrated why doing actual testing before opening is a key part of opening up, so that we have data we can trust. Compare that to the states also suddenly testing prisons and meat plants as they opened, again, rendering the data useless.

                        Weird how that happens over and over.

                        I’ve accepted that I’m just going to have to sit at home and watch this play out. Hope the decisions to open were worth doing so without data and science.

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                        • SonOfEd
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                          • Dec 2010
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                          #2382
                          Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

                          Prayers lifted mk

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                          • bigfnjoe96
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                            • Feb 2004
                            • 11410

                            #2383
                            Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

                            Got my antibody test today. Get my results in 72 hours..


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                            Last edited by bigfnjoe96; 05-16-2020, 09:41 PM.

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                            • The Chef
                              Moderator
                              • Sep 2003
                              • 13684

                              #2384
                              Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

                              Originally posted by JayhawkerStL
                              You just illustrated why doing actual testing before opening is a key part of opening up, so that we have data we can trust. Compare that to the states also suddenly testing prisons and meat plants as they opened, again, rendering the data useless.



                              Weird how that happens over and over.



                              I’ve accepted that I’m just going to have to sit at home and watch this play out. Hope the decisions to open were worth doing so without data and science.
                              I understand what you're saying and the testing and subsequent results probably should have been out there and used as the catalyst to open up in a limited capacity as opposed to opening up and then, to some degree, lucking out that the numbers ended up being what they are. Furthermore that may not play out in the same manner in other states so I get what you're saying.

                              Texas did open back up but it was a staggered opening and restrictions were in place with regards to capacity so wasn't a complete free for all opening either.

                              My only point in my previous post was that just going off the raw numbers of positive tests since opening back up isn't indicative of a problem because the state opened up and is merely because the overall number of testing has gone up significantly. The percentage is far more of a gauge as to whether or not it was smart decision or not and how that percentage fluctuates over time will tell a better story as to where the state of Texas is with regards to this.

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                              • mestevo
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                                • Apr 2010
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                                #2385
                                Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

                                Originally posted by superjames1992
                                Exactly, there's a lot media malfeasance here with some of these hyped doomsday reports. Of course cases are going to "explode" if the number of tests increase...that's common sense. The worst thing is that a lot of media outlets are actually encouraging states to not test as much as they could because it leads to bad media coverage with case counts increasing. It's maddening.
                                In really don't think this is the case, interested to read about it though, link?

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