CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

[roadman]

Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

I saw a majority of the protesters in mask as well. I'm not saying protesters don't have anything to do with spiked increases. I noticed Jabari Parker and Malcom Brogdon have the virus. They protested without a mask. The Milwaukee Bucks held a protest and all of them had mask on.

There are other factors besides the protesters why the #'s are increasing and Dub has already stated people are moving more. That is why several states(12) are dialing back on their re-opening by closing bars, beaches, gyms, etc....

I don't know if anyone heard about the bar in East Lansing, but they had over 100 cases of the virus. They came out with a apology, but said they couldn't control the outside sidewalk to get in.

Someone, in the comments took a picture and there are literally elbow to elbow young people waiting to get in with no mask wearing at all.

I think some young people feel they are invincible to the virus and don't think they could bring home and spread it to their older vulnerable relatives.

Some of the comments are from people mentioning they feel that being at safer at home for 3 months in Michigan is backfiring because of all this activity and not adhering to local, state or governmental guidelines.

https://www.facebook.com/HarpersMSU/

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[countryboy]

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My perspective is what I've mentioned before, in that I don't think it matters when you open back up, the numbers are going to increase when you do, until there is a vaccine. And even with a vaccine you cannot guarantee that a) 100% of the people will get vaccinated, and B) that the virus may not mutate, like the flu, and present multiple strains of the virus that vaccinations have to keep up with.

I think the biggest question facing our country is how long can we financially sustain the impact of our economy essentially being shut down?

I truly feels like a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.

[DocHolliday]

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I don’t have a narrative it but I think they should be held as accountable as a restaurant or business.

And I think people are afraid to say that.



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[steelerfan]

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My perspective is what I've mentioned before, in that I don't think it matters when you open back up, the numbers are going to increase when you do, until there is a vaccine. And even with a vaccine you cannot guarantee that a) 100% of the people will get vaccinated, and B) that the virus may not mutate, like the flu, and present multiple strains of the virus that vaccinations have to keep up with.

I think the biggest question facing our country is how long can we financially sustain the impact of our economy essentially being shut down?

I truly feels like a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.

If, we as Americans, were not so foolish, selfish and committed to protecting our freedom to get sick, we could be like Hong Kong and be virtually virus free with almost no deaths.

Instead, we take the lazy *** option of "let it run its course and whoever is left standing can maybe get a vaccine" approach.

I'm not aiming vitriol at you, countryboy, and I'm sure the way it is going is not the way you would choose for it to go. I'm just disgusted by the rudderless, ignorant way our country is handling this.

[countryboy]

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If, we as Americans, were not so foolish, selfish and committed to protecting our freedom to get sick, we could be like Hong Kong and be virtually virus free with almost no deaths.

Instead, we take the lazy *** option of "let it run its course and whoever is left standing can maybe get a vaccine" approach.

I'm not aiming vitriol at you, countryboy, and I'm sure the way it is going is not the way you would choose for it to go. I'm just disgusted by the rudderless, ignorant way our country is handling this.

There's no doubt the handling of this pandemic has been poor by everyone we as citizens of this country turn to during times such as these, and using the word poor is being generous.

And unfortunately we are forced to deal with the hand that has been given to us by those who "are in charge".

And since we are forced to deal with the hand dealt, we are now stuck between a rock and a hard place, where if we choose to "start over" and try to handle this thing as it should've been in the first place, we risk more devastation to our economic stability and thus present the real fact that "desperation" sets in to those who could potentially lose everything.

Or we open things back up to try to re-start our economy and risk the lives of nobody knows how many Americans in order to protect our country from economic collapse.

I don't know how long, how close, or what have you we as a country are to an economic collapse, but I do know of people/friends, who are on the brink of losing everything due to the mishandling of this pandemic from the get go, who are feeling the overwhelming stress that situation puts on an individual.

Like I said, thanks to those in charge, we are now, imo, in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.

And as an add on here, while I do believe there are those who are ignorant and going out without a mask who are doing so because they think they're invincible or they want to say **** authority, its my right blah..blah..blah…, I do believe there are those who are "trying to return to normal" because they no longer believe, nor have faith, in those who are supposed to be protective and in charge of situations such as this pandemic.

[PeoplesChampGB]

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If, we as Americans, were not so foolish, selfish and committed to protecting our freedom to get sick, we could be like Hong Kong and be virtually virus free with almost no deaths.

Instead, we take the lazy *** option of "let it run its course and whoever is left standing can maybe get a vaccine" approach.

I'm not aiming vitriol at you, countryboy, and I'm sure the way it is going is not the way you would choose for it to go. I'm just disgusted by the rudderless, ignorant way our country is handling this.

It's easier to keep Hong Kong virus free and no deaths than the United States of America just on land mass and population.

[jeremym480]

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Well, shucks, no one reads the npr article I linked. a few post above. lol

I read it but it's just anecdotal. I'm mean I'm sure what the health official says could be true in Washinton State but that doesn't mean it's true everywhere else. I don't think that the virus picks and chooses who it wants to infect depending on what they're doing.

On another note, my wife and I got tested today, and we are both negative (past and present). My parents are coming to visit over the holiday. They normally visit around my mother's birthday in April but that got pushed back. I tried to push this visit back to September once the numbers started climbing again but they weren't having it.

My mom is 60 and my stepfather is 70 and both have health issues. Obviously, I'm concerned for them but they said that there's no guarantee that this will be better by September and it could be worse. They've already had different plans canceled multiple times now and they're tired of being trapped at home.

On the bright side, where my parents live in Alabama actually has a higher infection rate than where I live (despite having a much smaller population) so maybe they'll be a little safer once they get here. Especially, since we'll just be hanging out around the house.

[KSUowls]

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There probably is some of that damned if you do, damned if you don't with this. The fatalistic mentality is realistic for our situation, but it didn't have to be.

Even with a vaccine, this doesn't seem like something that can be completely eradicated like polio. But I also am not so sure that we couldn't have taken mitigating measures where 130k people would not be death at the end of June, and possibly have this in a manageable state.

Going back to things like spring breakers not giving a **** about it several months ago, local governments not shutting down fast enough, federal governments not giving a clear message and bickering over ideological differences to the point that economic relief both lagged and wasn't sufficient for many (and consequently leading them to ignore "guidelines"), protests both related to and unrelated to covid pushing people together, businesses ignoring guidelines and state orders, people throwing parties and continuing "normally", refusing to wear protective equipment, governments opening back up before the 1st wave was even slowing down, etc...It's pretty clear that we are the drivers of our own demise. The example of Hong Kong (which has a population density equal to that of san francisco) was given, and then there is New Zealand which seems to have completely eradicated the virus from their borders (minus travelers). Obviously New Zealand has geographic and population density advantages that we will never have, but it does seem to suggest that if we gave covid the proper caution that it deserved then we would not be in the situation we're in now.

I just think that if we (at all levels) had been more proactive, self sacrificing, and receptive to change then we would not have as many hotspots or have seen so much economic damage. It's still possible to get there before the predicted 2nd wave, but we won't do it.

[JayhawkerStL]

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Well, shucks, no one reads the npr article I linked. a few post above. lol

It didn’t fit a certain narrative.

[TheMatrix31]

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https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2020/06/30/covid-19-patients-arent-asked-whether-they-participated-in-protests-doctor-says/?outputType=amp&__twitter_impression=true

Looks like contact tracers aren't allowed to ask whether they attended protests in Orange County, FL either.

Cool.

But I'm sure that that's ONLY happening in NYC and Orange County Florida, you know.

[slickdtc]

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Parent of one of the children at my son’s daycare tested positive. Child was pulled on Friday morning.

The staff is freaking out, not sure if the school will even be open due to the teachers not wanting to be around it. We’re in a wait & see mode.

Now here’s the tricky part: what do my wife & I do? Do we both quarantine while we go get tests, taking off time of work? Pull our son from school until it’s been X amount of time?

This is just our third week at this school.

To me, if he was exposed it was last week and no one is showing signs. So I don’t feel it’s worth it to tell everyone stay away if we’ve already been in contact. But new connections will not be made. No 4th of July stuff, etc.

It’s hard to navigate this, morally. On paper, we isolate for 2 weeks. But in reality, that’s... unrealistic. So we gotta make decisions on how to proceed.

This **** is messy!

[steelerfan]

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It's easier to keep Hong Kong virus free and no deaths than the United States of America just on land mass and population.

Yes but Hong Kong is comparable to NYC and the difference between the virus in the two places is night and day.

[JayhawkerStL]

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I don’t have a narrative it but I think they should be held as accountable as a restaurant or business.

And I think people are afraid to say that.



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Seriously? Like how? What is it that you want that is equivalent? How come this didn’t come up when it was the Re-open Protests where people celebrated the lack of masks and social distancing?

Protests caused spread. Period.

Memorial Day caused spread. Period.

Re-opening without following an logical guidelines caused spread. Period.

Humans being human cause spread. All of these required leadership to quell. We don’t have it. We have people looking only for one side to blame, as though it excuses the other side.

[JayhawkerStL]

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There probably is some of that damned if you do, damned if you don't with this. The fatalistic mentality is realistic for our situation, but it didn't have to be.

Even with a vaccine, this doesn't seem like something that can be completely eradicated like polio. But I also am not so sure that we couldn't have taken mitigating measures where 130k people would not be death at the end of June, and possibly have this in a manageable state.

Going back to things like spring breakers not giving a **** about it several months ago, local governments not shutting down fast enough, federal governments not giving a clear message and bickering over ideological differences to the point that economic relief both lagged and wasn't sufficient for many (and consequently leading them to ignore "guidelines"), protests both related to and unrelated to covid pushing people together, businesses ignoring guidelines and state orders, people throwing parties and continuing "normally", refusing to wear protective equipment, governments opening back up before the 1st wave was even slowing down, etc...It's pretty clear that we are the drivers of our own demise. The example of Hong Kong (which has a population density equal to that of san francisco) was given, and then there is New Zealand which seems to have completely eradicated the virus from their borders (minus travelers). Obviously New Zealand has geographic and population density advantages that we will never have, but it does seem to suggest that if we gave covid the proper caution that it deserved then we would not be in the situation we're in now.

I just think that if we (at all levels) had been more proactive, self sacrificing, and receptive to change then we would not have as many hotspots or have seen so much economic damage. It's still possible to get there before the predicted 2nd wave, but we won't do it.

That’s what I was saying early on, when people said it was dumb, that we were missing our chance to deal with this under manageable conditions.

At some point, probably way to long, we will have to realize the economic damage our current “strategy” is doing. Yes, week by week, a half opened economy is better than closed. But how much better, and for how many weeks.

Had we acted like the EU, we would have 90% fewer daily cases right now. Re-openings would be happening and customers and employees would feel more comfortable going out and working.

In 6 months, where will the EU economy be, and where will ours be?

[JayhawkerStL]

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Parent of one of the children at my son’s daycare tested positive. Child was pulled on Friday morning.

The staff is freaking out, not sure if the school will even be open due to the teachers not wanting to be around it. We’re in a wait & see mode.

Now here’s the tricky part: what do my wife & I do? Do we both quarantine while we go get tests, taking off time of work? Pull our son from school until it’s been X amount of time?

This is just our third week at this school.

To me, if he was exposed it was last week and no one is showing signs. So I don’t feel it’s worth it to tell everyone stay away if we’ve already been in contact. But new connections will not be made. No 4th of July stuff, etc.

It’s hard to navigate this, morally. On paper, we isolate for 2 weeks. But in reality, that’s... unrealistic. So we gotta make decisions on how to proceed.

This **** is messy!

It’s not complicated You isolate.