CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

[dubcity]

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They are also concerned because schools are one of the primary ways child abuse is identified and statistics indicate lockdown/quarantine/isolation/whatever creates an environment for increased abuse.

Easily the most depressing thing I've read in this thread.

[AUChase]

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That's not really what AAP is saying. They're saying the negative effects of not being in school - educational, social, emotional - outweigh the risks presented by being in school. They are also concerned because schools are one of the primary ways child abuse is identified and statistics indicate lockdown/quarantine/isolation/whatever creates an environment for increased abuse.

I had never seen it put this way, but in a way it makes sense.

I know originally the concern was children who receive school supplied lunch not being able to have access to that at home, but locally a few car dealerships and other organizations teamed up to provide meals for anyone who needs them throughout the week.

I was fortunate to come from a good home and most of my friends did too so It's hard to visualize that there are a lot of children who have a better time and environment at school then they do at home. By good I don't mean luxurious, just parents who cared.

[DaImmaculateONe]

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I get why colleges would want students back so they can charge "the experience" price. But K-12 schools would be saving money by adopting a hybrid system reducing the amount of resources needed.

[DieHardYankee26]

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ICE saying they’re going after international kids that don’t attend in person classes is going to make a lot of schools have to figure out some kind of loophole. Just a mess all around.

[JayhawkerStL]

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Here’s some context from Missouri.

Kanakuk Kamps, a Missouri Christian camp, deals with COVID outbreak

COVID-19 outbreak connected to Kanakuk Kamps, a large Christian camp in Branson and Lampe, Missouri, continues to increase, according to the latest report from the state health department.

The Missouri Department of Health and Senior Services reported Monday that the number of COVID-19 positive cases has jumped to 82 among campers, counselors and staff members. On Friday, the number of positive cases was 49. They come from 10 states and multiple counties in Missouri, which local health departments are reporting back.

"We have closed term 3 at K-2 early. As of right now, that is the only session that has been closed. We have shortened terms 4 and 5 at K-2 as well, but those sessions are not closed. None of our other five Kamps has closed terms," Miranda said in an email.

Dr. Jason Newland, a pediatric infectious disease physician at Washington University, said the camp should immediately close all its terms.

"This just isn't worth it," he said. "Just close them down."

When the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released guidance on summer camps, it said no sleep-away camps should occur that bring people from outside the region, he said.

"One case in this situation will turn into a forest fire," he explained. The rapidly increasing cluster of cases from this one camp demonstrates that one positive can spread to communities around the country.

"Why should we be doing that in parts of the country where the pandemic is surging?" he asked. It's far more important to work toward having children back in schools in the fall, but a surge in cases will prevent that from happening.

[NYJets]

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. But K-12 schools would be saving money by adopting a hybrid system reducing the amount of resources needed.

Don’t think this part is accurate


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[steelerfan]

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What kind of parent sends their kid to a Summer Camp during a pandemic? They should be charged with child neglect/endangerment/abuse. Disgusting.

What a bunch of ****ing morons.

[jfsolo]

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What kind of parent sends their kid to a Summer Camp during a pandemic? They should be charged with child neglect/endangerment/abuse. Disgusting.

What a bunch of ****ing morons.

Think about where they're at and more importantly what kind of camp it is, there is no chance of any legal consequence for sending those kids there.

[steelerfan]

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Think about where they're at and more importantly what kind of camp it is, there is no chance of any legal consequence for sending those kids there.

I understand that. I didn't/don't expect there to be. That doesn't change my opinion though!

[JayhawkerStL]

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Also, I saw this. I wonder how many people realize just how close we are to a full lockdown.



I just wish we could start acting proactively, so we stopped letting so many die first. We are literally waiting for hospitals to fall before doing anything, just like before. We are doing that even though we know that hospitalizations tend to be people infected 3-4 weeks ago.

I get why this is hard to defend against. It’s strange that we let the same pattern play out again and again, while lamenting all of our restrictions. It’s asinine.

Europe is actually getting sports back.

[mestevo]

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Don’t think this part is accurate


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It's not, at all. I listened to the school board discuss the plans they're chewing through for more than 4 hours yesterday, there is no plan that is cheaper while operating under a pandemic, neither in-person (extra cleaning costs, drastically changed structure to day and activities) or remote (training, accessibility and materials costs).

[JayhawkerStL]

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I think college can get dramatically cheaper with online classes, although there is probably some up front cost to make it more widespread, but I think colleges could do well to expand on this.

We would still need some campus interactions, like labs and such, but costs can be dropped.

But K-12 is another beast. Online learning is still struggling, and the costs to expand and improve would be large, and probably never cheaper.

[Qb]

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It is what they said though


Although children and adolescents play a major role in amplifying influenza outbreaks, to date, this does not appear to be the case with SARS-CoV-2. Although many questions remain, the preponderance of evidence indicates that children and adolescents are less likely to be symptomatic and less likely to have severe disease resulting from SARS-CoV-2 infection. In addition, children may be less likely to become infected and to spread infection. Policies to mitigate the spread of COVID-19 within schools must be balanced with the known harms to children, adolescents, families and the community by keeping children at home.”


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I don't see how that says it's "safe" and I'm not trying to argue semantics. I think it's an important distinction to make. Less prone to severe complications compared to other age groups, sure. But it ends with the point that I made. The risks posed by COVID exposure - and the inevitable illnesses that will result, even if kids are somehow less likely to contract/transmit (which makes no sense considering how much crap they've infected me with over the years haha) - must be weighed against the potential harm of not being in the school environment.

I have two school aged kids, 6 and 11. My wife works in a different public school. I have no idea how any of this will work. I know the lack of structure, support, and social interaction is a major problem. But cramming hundreds of people into indoor spaces is a major problem if virus continues along it's current trajectory. On top of that, with schools looking at alternative schedules with hybrid instruction, employers doing the same, and the need to supervise/assist younger kids, how the hell are we supposed to get anything done? Sure I might be home working remotely, but I can't spend several hours teaching my first grader.

Anyway, I kinda lost the plot there, haha. Bottom line is I have no idea how anything is going to work out and it stresses me out!

[dubcity]

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Also, I saw this. I wonder how many people realize just how close we are to a full lockdown.

I doubt it, but who knows. I'm not sure what the purpose of more lockdowns would be at this point. California was closed for nearly 2 months. Then businesses started reopening, thousands were in the streets, testing increased, and cases went up. European countries that we look at as handling this better were a mess back in March/April. Just like NY. The virus is gonna hit metro areas eventually. And we have a ton of those spread out over a huge amount of land.

The lockdowns basically added to the effect of the USA getting hit more in segments separately. And now we're using that as a criticism somehow, as if Southern California and NYC are geographical neighbors the same as two cities in Spain. We're better served thinking of our country in terms of regions when it comes to this. Texas getting hit for the first time after NY numbers decrease is not, "Covid is still on the rise, will America ever learn?!" It's one region having it's first wave after another region has subsided.

[Qb]

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Easily the most depressing thing I've read in this thread.

For sure. My wife is a school social worker. She reports suspected child abuse and neglect almost daily. ****ty people, cycle of abuse, mental health, drugs, poverty, etc all play a part, but no matter the situation it's absolutely heartbreaking.