CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

[countryboy]

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I don't know the particularities of Indiana's state politics and AG Hill may be or may not be speaking in "bad faith" (I don't know that one way or another) but that doesn't mean he is wrong.

Governors/Presidents are not kings, and executive orders many times end up being runarounds the legislative process. Legislatures make law, governors implement them.

Governments are given some leeway soon after an emergency but this temporary and enough time has passed since the onset of the pandemic that now we know how to reasonably protect ourselves from the virus and the legislature could reunite safely to do the People's business in a special/emergency session.

And I never stated that he was wrong, just that there was no reason to make this public matter, other than the fact that he and Holcomb don't particularly care for one another.

My original comments were that him saying this does nothing more than fuel the fire of those who believe that being required to wear a mask is an infringement of their freedoms.

And for someone like AG Hill, who seems to agree that wearing a mask in public is the best prevention tool we have at our disposal right now to slow the spread of this pandemic, to counter his own stance by fueling that fire of infringement of freedom, by claiming what the Governor is doing is illegal, makes absolutely no sense.

Publicly playing a political game in the midst of this pandemic does no good for anyone.

[DieHardYankee26]

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I think it would’ve been more of a political game if he ignored it because he agreed, this is just politics.

[Master Live 013]

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I can support something and still disagree with how it is implemented or raise objections that proper procedure isn't being followed. This isn't contradictory.

I support legalization of marijuana for recreational purposes.

I don't agree with how some in the federal executive, for years, have been "de-emphasizing" federal enforcement regarding marijuana effectively rendering that part of the statute null and avoid for practical purposes. And I disagree with this "de-emphasizing" approach regardless of the change in popular opinion in this subject.

Why? Because the next person might "de-emphasize" a law that I agree with and since (in theory) I can't be assured that only laws I disagree with would be de-emphasize I rather no law is de-emphasized.

Same principle applies here. I may agree with a statewide mask mandate but I can still raise a procedural objections because I don't want to set a precedent.

You just don't want the inconvenience. Is what the governor doing illegal yes or no? If the answer is no then the AG should not raise any objection. If what the governor is doing, in the AG's estimation, is illegal, whether the AG agrees or not with it he has a duty to speak up.

[countryboy]

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I don’t want to take this down the political rabbit hole so I’ll let my side of the discussion end with this.

I wasn’t concerned with the legalities and whether AG Hills comments were right or wrong in that regard.

My concern was the message and wording he chose and the setback it will likely cause as we try to implement our best defense to slowing the spread of the virus which is wearing masks.


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[p_rushing]

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I don’t want to take this down the political rabbit hole so I’ll let my side of the discussion end with this.

I wasn’t concerned with the legalities and whether AG Hills comments were right or wrong in that regard.

My concern was the message and wording he chose and the setback it will likely cause as we try to implement our best defense to slowing the spread of the virus which is wearing masks.


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That is the problem though, an executive order or whatever that says it is mandatory started the whole thing.

Once you cross that line, you have lost the argument. None of these governors should have mandated it since it is illegal. They just needed to say it was strongly suggested. They could also hold people criminally and/or financially liable if they are knowingly spreading the virus if they have it, waiting for results, or been exposed.

There are plenty of ways to get people to wear masks without forcing them to do it. One of the main issues though is the wrong info or outright lies from the CDC and Fauci so people that are fighting the mandate don't trust anything from the people saying they have to wear a mask. It's just stupid bs from all sides and no one really caring about the people.

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[NYJets]

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There are plenty of ways to get people to wear masks without forcing them to do it. One of the main issues though is the wrong info or outright lies from the CDC and Fauci so people that are fighting the mandate don't trust anything from the people saying they have to wear a mask. It's just stupid bs from all sides and no one really caring about the people.

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What are the ways to get people to do it?

People should be wearing masks. Period. There are plenty of situations that can be chalked up to all sides being stupid. This is not one of them.

[countryboy]

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That is the problem though, an executive order or whatever that says it is mandatory started the whole thing.

Once you cross that line, you have lost the argument. None of these governors should have mandated it since it is illegal. They just needed to say it was strongly suggested. They could also hold people criminally and/or financially liable if they are knowingly spreading the virus if they have it, waiting for results, or been exposed.

There are plenty of ways to get people to wear masks without forcing them to do it. One of the main issues though is the wrong info or outright lies from the CDC and Fauci so people that are fighting the mandate don't trust anything from the people saying they have to wear a mask. It's just stupid bs from all sides and no one really caring about the people.

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Again, I don't care about the political side of it nor the legalities. I don't care about that aspect of things.

My point, again, is that whether its legal or not, Hill, who is in favor seemingly of people wearing masks in public as suggested by doctors and health professionals, could've chosen a different path to address his issues with the mandate instead of immediately running to the nearest camera and microphone and saying what Holcomb's doing is illegal.

We are already fighting the mindset of "don't tread on me" by those who are refusing to wear a mask. If Hill's only reason for doing this was to ensure the mandate was done properly, he could've done his best to do it behind closed doors instead of immediately finding the press and claiming its illegal, thus adding fuel to a fire we are trying to put out.

But again, I don't believe this is purely motivated by the aspect of this mandate being legal. Hill has a beef with Holcomb since Hill was suspended 30 days for ethics violation and Holcomb asked the Supreme Court if he could remove Hill from his position.

This happened in May.

[Master Live 013]

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Trump pulls the plug on his Republican convention plans in Jacksonville, citing the coronavirus.
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[p_rushing]

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What are the ways to get people to do it?



People should be wearing masks. Period. There are plenty of situations that can be chalked up to all sides being stupid. This is not one of them.

I gave some examples previously, but here is a summary although we can't fix the stuff in the past.

1- don't lie about mask helping to stop the spread because of supply issues.
2- remove the media hype of everyone is going to die.
3- show how masks work and the differences between the types
4- don't mandate it, but strongly suggest people wear them for safety.
5- work with stores to create there own requirements.


Not everyone is going to follow them, but also it's the same with the illegal mandates. Once you do something illegal, people will go out of their way to break the mandate for principles so you actually are hurting more people.

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[NDAlum]

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I think there's one thing we can all agree on.

Fauci wore a huge L tonight with that first pitch. He 50'd it

[Jr.]

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It always amazes me when a grown man can't throw a baseball with any coordination.

[Smallville102001]

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So the county where I live now is up to 251 cases. Around June 13th we had only 50 and had like a month with out 1 new case. So yeah numbers have went way up in the last month+ and also for a while most of the cases where in the east part of the county where I live on the west. Now though the amount in the west is not to far of from the amount in the east.

[Smallville102001]

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My question is how many people wearing masks is enough? Will we know it when we reach that threshold? Up until now all we've heard is we're not doing it enough.

I don't think mask do any thing but it is a interesting question because I have heard a lot of talk about people that are anti mask but I think those people are in the very small minority. I know not ever places is going to be the same but I would say where I live and where I work like 80% of customers where wearing mask back in like late feb before things even shut down has people are so scared. Know I would say for like 2 months its like 95% that have mask on.

[NYJets]

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I gave some examples previously, but here is a summary although we can't fix the stuff in the past.

1- don't lie about mask helping to stop the spread because of supply issues.
2- remove the media hype of everyone is going to die.
3- show how masks work and the differences between the types
4- don't mandate it, but strongly suggest people wear them for safety.
5- work with stores to create there own requirements.


Not everyone is going to follow them, but also it's the same with the illegal mandates. Once you do something illegal, people will go out of their way to break the mandate for principles so you actually are hurting more people.

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#3 is a good idea to do more of. #4 has already been done by all health officials and a lot of politicians but it would be helpful if all politicians would be on board. 1 and 2 are just fake excuses people that will never wear masks make


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[dubcity]

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2- remove the media hype of everyone is going to die.

Well that'll never happen. They gotta cash in and pay the bills. And enough people will excuse anything they say, using the "well better safe than sorry, it's a means to an end, scared people will follow orders better," line of logic.