CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

[SmashMan]

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The sad thing is the people who live on twitter don't believe that. They think it's real life.

It wouldn't be too bad if you could automatically block anyone with multiple waves, roses, gold stars, or flags in their name/bio.

[Fresh Tendrils]

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I don't look to either for leadership about anything. I look to communities, local and state governments if anything, and family.

That's great, but when it's a national issue then our national leadership is certainly on the hook whether you look to them or not.

Part of the problem is the growth in thinking the president---any president----is the only person that matters in matters of governance. Actually, and these regional first waves now indicate it to be true that each state and locality *should* be in charge and the current lightning rod shouldn't be involved. Everyone shut down at the urging of national events and discussion (how could we know otherwise?) but now things are wrecked, open, and just NOW people are seeing things happen there.

Either way, as this has all demonstrated, the overarching point is don't look to government to save anyone or anything.

The President is not the only one that matters, but he's certainly a central figure that facilitates things on a national, coordinated level that 50 states operating independently are simply not afforded. I'm not suggesting all 50 states and their localities be lock-downed at the same time or have the same precautionary measures across the board. Nuance is definitely important; however, there was very much a need for coordination of purchasing and disbursement of medical supplies and resources as states were scrambling to address the pandemic and, if possible, prepare for even heavier load later.

If I have a misunderstanding of what a federal pandemic response would actually look like please let me know because there is certainly a middle ground between the federal government saving everyone and basically sitting on their haunches watching everyone scramble around.

[KG]

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That's not necessarily true. The President can be "authoritative" and direct states how they should respond to this virus.

There's also federalism, where the President leaves the states with the authority to respond to the virus however they see fit with the federal government intervening only if the state asks for help. This would be the best response to this particular pandemic.

The problem is we have a cluster**** of both scenarios.

And regarding the masks. It doesn't help that Fauci came out and stated we didn't need masks, and then later said "oh yea, I lied. We do need masks."

That’s not true. The Stafford Act mandates that the president can declare an emergency w/o a state’s say so. It’s extremely rare but it’s HHS in coordination with other Federal agencies who set the response plan for which everyone is supposed to be in-line with. It’s supposed to be a working relationship with the States who in-turn have a working relationship with local municipalities.

The Federal government, specifically the President can step in and issue Executive Orders. States will put up a fight (and rightfully so in some instances) BUT they know if the Federal Government turns off the direct deposit, they’re screwed.

Also, regarding Fauci....

Do you ever think that maybe he has access to new information that has changed his medical opinion? Calling him a liar is very extreme, especially considering the evolution of this virus in terms of what we know about it.


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[PeoplesChampGB]

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That’s not true. The Stafford Act mandates that the president can declare an emergency w/o a state’s say so. It’s extremely rare but it’s HHS in coordination with other Federal agencies who set the response plan for which everyone is supposed to be in-line with. It’s supposed to be a working relationship with the States who in-turn have a working relationship with local municipalities.

The Federal government, specifically the President can step in and issue Executive Orders. States will put up a fight (and rightfully so in some instances) BUT they know if the Federal Government turns off the direct deposit, they’re screwed.

That's the "authoritarian" method I stated first.

Also, regarding Fauci....

Do you ever think that maybe he has access to new information that has changed his medical opinion? Calling him a liar is very extreme, especially considering the evolution of this virus in terms of what we know about it.

Fauci specifically said he lied about it so medical professionals could get PPE. You may agree with his motive (I certainly do), but I was just explaining where the distrust comes from.

"He also acknowledged that masks were initially not recommended to the general public so that first responders wouldn’t feel the strain of a shortage of PPE."

https://thehill.com/changing-america...-to-wear-masks
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[KG]

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Oh ok (regarding Fauci). I just watched his testimony today and he mentioned that. I do agree with that rationale.

I actually had an experience with a health care professional in late March questioning where I got a N95 from. A nurse who was checking me in for an appointment asked me where I got it from and when I told her (my mom was very ill right before the virus broke out and the hospital gave it to us and mandated that we wore one in that unit - Infectious Disease Unit) she still told me that I wasn’t supposed to have it. I just happened to keep it because it was a good mask and I was painting my home bathroom [emoji2375]


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[SmashMan]

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Also, regarding Fauci....

Do you ever think that maybe he has access to new information that has changed his medical opinion? Calling him a liar is very extreme, especially considering the evolution of this virus in terms of what we know about it.

Guidance on cloth masks has evolved as we’ve learned more, to where they’re recommended because they’re generally effective as a precaution for everyday activities.

The quote that gets brought up for masks in general is misleading. For more context. when talking about not recommending masks earlier vs now, he’s actually specifically referring to trying to preserve N95 and other surgical-level masks for health care workers. You can see it by following to the source links in the article PeoplesChamp posted.

It gets framed as a blanket statement of him just lying because...well, you can figure it out.

[TheMatrix31]

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Either way, if people hear "no masks!" and then they hear "masks!" and then when they hear **** like what's happening in that Oregon county re: who's not required to wear them and who is, people are going to be upset, skeptical, rebellious, and hell, just oblivious to new developments in general.

Again, that's not really the fault of the audience. And I don't blame people for thinking it's "lies" considering all the other examples and instances of it over however long. Of course, people in general are responsible for the **** we've been dealing with all this however long also.

If families, neighborhoods, zip codes, towns, cities, and states aren't wearing masks or taking preventative measures on their own to begin with, we're already dicked no matter what this guy says..

Been saying that this thing was intended to be a health disaster and an economic/social disaster. There really isn't anything anyone can do to stop it, unfortunately. Everything's just gonna get worse and worse. Prepare thy butthole.

[steelerfan]

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I can't imagine how dense someone has to be to believe that inhaling/exhaling air that goes through some type of filter is of no help at all.

Maybe it's because I started in the embalming room at age 17, spent 16 years in the funeral business and was married to an RN for 16 years but still. Are people really that dumb or is it just about rebellion and perceived loss of freedom?

If it is about freedom, doesn't anyone remember the expression, "freedom isn't free"? Sometimes sacrifices have to be made to keep our freedoms (and, of course, I mean no slight to fallen soldiers by using this example). This is one of those times. It's a small, temporary sacrifice for the good of our country, our planet as a whole and ourselves individually.

[kehlis]

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If it is about freedom, doesn't anyone remember the expression, "freedom isn't free"? Sometimes sacrifices have to be made to keep our freedoms (and, of course, I mean no slight to fallen soldiers by using this example). This is one of those times. It's a small, temporary sacrifice for the good of our country, our planet as a whole and ourselves individually.

I think freedom is what some use as their reasoning but ultimately I truly think it's just because there are people that can't accept that they aren't invincible.

There's another subset of folks that I've talked to who just say if they get it, it's meant to be.

[steelerfan]

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There's another subset of folks that I've talked to who just say if they get it, it's meant to be.

I'd ask those people if they wear a seatbelt.

[TheMatrix31]

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I can't imagine how dense someone has to be to believe that inhaling/exhaling air that goes through some type of filter is of no help at all.

Maybe it's because I started in the embalming room at age 17, spent 16 years in the funeral business and was married to an RN for 16 years but still. Are people really that dumb or is it just about rebellion and perceived loss of freedom?

If it is about freedom, doesn't anyone remember the expression, "freedom isn't free"? Sometimes sacrifices have to be made to keep our freedoms (and, of course, I mean no slight to fallen soldiers by using this example). This is one of those times. It's a small, temporary sacrifice for the good of our country, our planet as a whole and ourselves individually.

Again, that's the problem though. People were sacrificing. Some sacrificed their entire livelihoods. Some sacrificed being able to say goodbye to loved ones (forever, they're gone, they're dead), some sacrificed job opportunities and put off health checkups and some sacrificed whatever else all in the name of greater good.

I wasn't able to see my aunt who had a brain aneurysm burst back in March for 3 months until they finally brought her here to LA for treatment and even then we saw her for literally 5 seconds outside upon arrival before they wheeled her into rehab to have her locked up basically still with no visitors for 2 weeks. And our entire family has had to rely on phone calls and emails for doctors updates, analyst updates, insurance coordinated and you name it because nobody can see anyone in person. It was a miracle she even survived and she'll never be the same person. It wasn't until we decided that my other aunt and my 80 year old grandma had to go to Vegas just last week because they finally allowed someone to see her and that's when her spirits and progress changed ever so slightly.

I wasn't able to be there properly for two of my ten closest friends who had their fathers die during this time (both unrelated to the rona). I didn't get to go to one's funeral and the others I had to stand like 200 feet away and couldn't go give him a hug or say anything to his family or my friends.

I had to send my girlfriend back to New York abruptly back in March so that she could be at home by her family just in case anything happened to them and now I have no idea when I'm going to be able to see her again. That's right we had to put her on a plane in the middle of all that **** jsut to get her home. And who knows what she could have caught or gotten since she's immunocompromised as well. Thank God she didn't, but hey, we were forced to take that gamble.

I've sacrificed a ****ing **** ton and that's not even an exhaustive list. And that's just my immediate life filled with all the anger and depression and whatever else. Imagine this sentiment in millions of people across the country some even dealing with even worse! It's not just about haircuts as the trite, snide and annoying might have you think.

People are justifiably furious when they see others playing by different rules and seeing it cheered on by media and others. And they're just not gonna listen anymore no matter how much common sense it is to cover their damn orifices. They're sick of being told their lives have to be ruined while others can do whatever without nary a thought, concern, or even a smidge of mocking arrogance that they've been treated with---or worse.

That's really the crux of it. It's ****ing terrible but it is this way for a reason.

This is the bed we've had made for us.

[steelerfan]

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Well, I hope the "justifiably furious" are ready for their lives to get even worse because they are going to.

I'm sorry you've been hit with so much, Matrix. I sincerely hope that things improve for you. [emoji256]

[TheMatrix31]

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Well, I hope the "justifiably furious" are ready for their lives to get even worse because they are going to.

I'm sorry you've been hit with so much, Matrix. I sincerely hope that things improve for you. [emoji256]

Thanks dude. By no means was that a plea for sympathy or whatever. It's just for illustration of course.

And as for your first part, agreed. A lot of people are dealing with a lot of **** and it's gonna get way worse.

[Blzer]

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I think freedom is what some use as their reasoning but ultimately I truly think it's just because there are people that can't accept that they aren't invincible.

There's another subset of folks that I've talked to who just say if they get it, it's meant to be.

I'd ask those people if they wear a seatbelt.

That's why I posted that Pulp Fiction gif earlier. So if I shoot them, was that meant to be as well?

On the other hand, I wonder if some young healthy Joe who is truly a hermit from society during quarantine would risk going out once and getting contracted, so his body can fight it and help build an immunity from it in the future. The problems with that would be you can't guarantee beating it and we don't know how much of an immunity we build from this, but this was just a hypothetical scenario anyway.

[DieHardYankee26]

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Either way, if people hear "no masks!" and then they hear "masks!" and then when they hear **** like what's happening in that Oregon county re: who's not required to wear them and who is, people are going to be upset, skeptical, rebellious, and hell, just oblivious to new developments in general.

I was reading about that earlier and didn’t know what to think. On one hand, there was definitely like a week and a half after I watched the Arbery video when the thought of walking into Best Buy with a bandana on seemed like the most insane thing ever. Guess it’s a good case of you can’t satisfy everybody.