***The Official Arsenal Gunners" Thread***

[elprez98]

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Damn good business by Wenger for a guy who was unhappy and on an expiring contract.


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[ZeroTheHero]

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The Wenger whine is getting old. He's your guy and you should be very happy about that.

[Krebstar]

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Damn good business by Wenger for a guy who was unhappy and on an expiring contract.

1. If we're giving Arsene all the credit for this, do we get to give him all the **** for past awful transfers? No, really, because we could make a list.

2. It's good business by everyone involved, including Arsene, but also whoever it is that we finally got to replace Dick Law.

3. I don't want to say it's best best-case scenario but on paper, but this is pretty solid. We were all resigned to lose Alexis, but the idea of actually swapping him with a very talented player never seemed on the cards. We hopefully rid the dressing room of some toxicity, we add quality, and we didn't lose a player on a free transfer.

4. We really, really need to get Ozil to sign a new contract. I actually think we can replace Alexis, as in there are similar players for us to go after. However, Ozil makes this team tick, currently, and there doesn't seem to be anyone out there we can grab right now that would do the same.

The Wenger whine is getting old. He's your guy and you should be very happy about that.

[ZeroTheHero]

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You're a classic Arsenal-whiner, Kreb.

[Suntan Superman]

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You're a classic low-effort troll, credit though, you at least don't pretend to have an actual point, you just post ****ty one-line hottakes.

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[ZeroTheHero]

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I'm not a troll but whenever the insults are flying my way, I return some.

[Suntan Superman]

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I mean you're certainly not adding anything meaningful to the conversation, or making any coherent points. At least other Wenger defenders had points when they defended him,

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[ZeroTheHero]

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I could repeat what I've already said about the matter, but you'd complain I was repeating myself then.

[Suntan Superman]

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You mean the time you said we dont deserve top 4 more than any other club, and no one disagreed because no one was arguing that?

Or the time you said it wasn't Wengers fault that he's had poor tranfer policy, poor team selections, and poor tactics for a few years now, because thats on the owner, not the manager?

I mean you could repeat yourself, but 0x2 is still 0.

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[ZeroTheHero]

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Ahh, selective cherry picking. How creative. You know exactly which opinion about Wenger I'm referring to.

[Suntan Superman]

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Ahh, selective cherry picking. How creative. You know exactly which opinion about Wenger I'm referring to.

I don't, so let's have fun and go through them! Also - isn't cherry picking being selective? Isn't the term "selective cherry picking" a bit of a repetitive redundancy?

It's not Wenger's fault. Without Wenger the situation would be even worse for Arsenal.

Your contention is that the transfers that Wenger has made, the team selections that Wenger has made, and the tactics that Wenger has selected are not his fault. You then go on to say that things would be even worse at Arsenal without Wenger, a statement that we cannot evaluate on any level because it's conjecture, though most of us agree that a new manager isn't going to come in and fire us into a title race.

He's working with the material that has been made available to him.

Ah yes, here we see you're once again saying that the players that Wenger bought aren't his fault. We've had the budget to buy players, we've just bought like **** outside of star players like Sanchez, Ozil, and Lacazette.

Didn't you read this?

https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/foo...-a3202046.html

This is where you try and pin it all on Kroenke, as though we all didn't know the root of the problem is Kroenke. We all know it, we even showed a bit of tepid excitement last year when it was floating around that Usamov was going to try and purchase the club from Kroenke, but Kroenke ended up rejecting him.

It's going to get worse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MY7gxmajuw4

This is where you unironically posted an ArsenalFanTV video. Good Times.

If you read the previous article I posted, it's pretty clear that Kroenke thinks the Wenger method is preferable.

"“If you want to win championships then you would never get involved. I think the best owners in sports are the guys that sort of watch both sides a bit. If you don't have a good business then you can't really afford to go out and get the best players unless you just want to rely on other sources of income."
-Kroenke

This one:
https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/foo...-a3202046.html

Yup, we know Kroenke is the root of the problem, no one's disputed that, we're simply trying to change the one thing we can about the leadership structure at the club.

With Wenger you will be able to keep within range of top four for a while longer. Without him you will be lower on the table. The squad is a "Wenger-squad" and a total renewal project will take time and the team will lose identity.

You're in a crap place at the moment, I get that. It's not that long ago that Spurs had maybe a single player or two that you guys considered good enough for the Arsenal bench, so trust me.. I know the feeling.

Anyway, since Wenger is one of the best managers in the world, and Arsenal is his baby, Wenger is most likely the man to get you back up in decent shape. However, you will most likely never get back where you think you belong. Neither will Spurs or anyone else for that matter, unless those insane sugar-daddy clubs gets hit with restrictions or that their owners suddenly decide to tighten the access to the money pouch. Spurs are great right now and can somewhat challenge the big-guns, but that will pass. Kane and Alli types aren't strolling along for a cheap price every other year, and if they do, they don't always sign for Spurs.

This is the part where you mention a new manager won't turn it around immediately, something once again, everyone acknowledges and understands. No rational fan is expecting Wenger to leave and Arsenal to become immediate title contenders. Then we go on to talk about the team owners who pump money into the club will be at an advantage, and once again no one is disputing that, even though Wenger/Arsenal have spent plenty of money, just poorly.

You don't belong in the top four any more than Liverpool, Spurs or anyone else who's been contending for the spot the last few years. Any team that manages to get into that spot without massive external funding injected into the club, belongs there for as long as they manage.

Ah, the inexplicable post that replied to mine about the expectation of Top 4. To clarify once more, I never said Arsenal deserve top 4 more than anyone else, I'm just saying those should be our aspirations right now. There are 6 big clubs in England and only 4(ish) UCL slots, at least one team is going to miss out every year.

The new guy has opinions and the old guys doesn't like it... what else is new?

****ty one line hot take because you can't defend a non-sensical point

Oh, so I get "called out"? :P

****ty one line hot take because you can't defend a non-sensical point

The Wenger whine is getting old. He's your guy and you should be very happy about that.

****ty one line hot take that provides no context or adds anything to the discussion

You're a classic Arsenal-whiner, Kreb.

****ty one line hot take that attacks someone because you can't be bothered to contribute to the discussion.

To summarize:
1. It's not Wenger's fault that he has poor tactics, poor transfer policy or poor team selections (Yikes)
2. A new manager won't turn you around instantly (we all know that, and most of us have realized it's a risk we're willing to take)
3. Kroenke's the problem (Duh)
4. Arsenal
5. You don't deserve top 4(even though no one said we deserved it)
6. Without sugar daddies we can't be expected to compete with sugar daddied clubs(I guess? But no one's talking about title challenges here anymore, we still spend our fair share though)
7. Everton

So yeah, either you're making really terrible arguments(Not Wenger's fault), or going on about something we all know and have acknowledged the past few years(Kroenke's the problem, no immediate turnaround) or you've provided ****ty one-line hot takes(the most frequent occurrence)

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[ZeroTheHero]

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The part where I say Wenger is your best option. It was pretty much given.

EDIT: I've skimmed some of your post and I see that you're clearly creating straw men to further your points. You're pathetic.

Straw man: "You don't deserve top 4" you forgot the most important part that completely changes that statement. I said "more than anyone else". So in fact, I didn't say you didn't deserve it at all, I in fact implied that if you get it, you deserve it.

[Suntan Superman]

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So pure conjecture? There's literally no way to prove or disprove the statement

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[ZeroTheHero]

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You obviously missed a part;

"I've skimmed some of your post and I see that you're clearly creating straw men to further your points. You're pathetic.

Straw man: "You don't deserve top 4" you forgot the most important part that completely changes that statement. I said "more than anyone else". So in fact, I didn't say you didn't deserve it at all, I in fact implied that if you get it, you deserve it."

[Suntan Superman]

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You obviously missed a part;

"I've skimmed some of your post and I see that you're clearly creating straw men to further your points. You're pathetic.

Straw man: "You don't deserve top 4" you forgot the most important part that completely changes that statement. I said "more than anyone else". So in fact, I didn't say you didn't deserve it at all, I in fact implied that if you get it, you deserve it."

Ah, the inexplicable post that replied to mine about the expectation of Top 4. To clarify once more, I never said Arsenal deserve top 4 more than anyone else, I'm just saying those should be our aspirations right now. There are 6 big clubs in England and only 4(ish) UCL slots, at least one team is going to miss out every year.

Sorry, my paraphrasing wasn't exact, your full statement is noted here though. It makes sense that you'd go after the summary instead of the discussion though.

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