Official USMNT/USWNT Thread

[Suntan Superman]

re: Official USMNT/USWNT Thread

Let Landon go guys. There is no room for him on this plank that both could clearly fit on.

Alright, physics time!
TL; DR As force of gravity is larger than that of buoyancy; Leo and Kate will be swimming with the fishes.
We can build a system of two forces. That produced by the force of gravity from the combined weights of Kate, Leo, and the door; and that of buoyancy.
1. Force of Buoyancy
Force of Buoyancy is (density)(volume)(acceleration of gravity)
We need to find the maximum force of buoyancy possible from the displacement of water of the plank/door. Lets assume the plank/door is approx. 2m x 0.75m x 0.06m
Yes, I'm saying the door is 6cm thick. Remember, this is the Titanic we are talking about, and I'm sure the doors would have been of the more.....grand variety. I realise the door isn't a perfect cuboid, but this is the movies. Who cares.
Density of water at 273K is approx 1000 kg * m-3 Acceleration of gravity at sea level is 9.81 m * s-2 Volume of the door is 2m * 0.75m * 0.06m = 0.09 m3
Substitute these values back into the original buoyancy formula:
(1000) * (9.81) * (0.09) = 882.9N <---- The maximum force that can be produced through buoyancy.
2. Force of Gravity
Lets assume Kate weighed 130lbs at the time (source: http://www.celebheights.com/s/Kate-Winslet-109.html). As for Leo? Obviously his weight will fluctuate due to his roles as an actor, but lets estimate that during Titanic he was 160lbs. (source: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_Le...ght_and_weight).
130lbs = 58.9kg 160lbs = 72.6kg
The mass of the door? Using the same dimensions from above, mass is density * volume. Lets take the estimate of 45lb/ft3 that jpesh1 used. This is about 720.8kg * m-3.
Therefore, the mass of the door is (720.8) * (0.09) = 64.9kg. Pretty reasonable mass for a door.
Now we have all our masses, we can combine them, multiply by the force of gravity, and then get a resulting force in newtons.
(64.9 + 58.9 +72.6)(9.81) = 1926.684N
3. Verdict
882.9N < 1926.684N
Force of buoyancy is less than Force of gravity. The two will sink.


Just sayin'

Also, I've no issue with anything that JKs done so far.

[p_rushing]

re: Official USMNT/USWNT Thread

with the not winning statements and leaving Donovan off, he is clearly using this for experience only

[msuduo]

re: Official USMNT/USWNT Thread

with the not winning statements and leaving Donovan off, he is clearly using this for experience only

Or he's a mad genius, throwing everyone for a loop, and we will in fact go win the damn thing.

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[VTPack919]

re: Official USMNT/USWNT Thread

Alright, physics time!
TL; DR As force of gravity is larger than that of buoyancy; Leo and Kate will be swimming with the fishes.
We can build a system of two forces. That produced by the force of gravity from the combined weights of Kate, Leo, and the door; and that of buoyancy.
1. Force of Buoyancy
Force of Buoyancy is (density)(volume)(acceleration of gravity)
We need to find the maximum force of buoyancy possible from the displacement of water of the plank/door. Lets assume the plank/door is approx. 2m x 0.75m x 0.06m
Yes, I'm saying the door is 6cm thick. Remember, this is the Titanic we are talking about, and I'm sure the doors would have been of the more.....grand variety. I realise the door isn't a perfect cuboid, but this is the movies. Who cares.
Density of water at 273K is approx 1000 kg * m-3 Acceleration of gravity at sea level is 9.81 m * s-2 Volume of the door is 2m * 0.75m * 0.06m = 0.09 m3
Substitute these values back into the original buoyancy formula:
(1000) * (9.81) * (0.09) = 882.9N <---- The maximum force that can be produced through buoyancy.
2. Force of Gravity
Lets assume Kate weighed 130lbs at the time (source: http://www.celebheights.com/s/Kate-Winslet-109.html). As for Leo? Obviously his weight will fluctuate due to his roles as an actor, but lets estimate that during Titanic he was 160lbs. (source: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_Le...ght_and_weight).
130lbs = 58.9kg 160lbs = 72.6kg
The mass of the door? Using the same dimensions from above, mass is density * volume. Lets take the estimate of 45lb/ft3 that jpesh1 used. This is about 720.8kg * m-3.
Therefore, the mass of the door is (720.8) * (0.09) = 64.9kg. Pretty reasonable mass for a door.
Now we have all our masses, we can combine them, multiply by the force of gravity, and then get a resulting force in newtons.
(64.9 + 58.9 +72.6)(9.81) = 1926.684N
3. Verdict
882.9N < 1926.684N
Force of buoyancy is less than Force of gravity. The two will sink.


Just sayin'

Also, I've no issue with anything that JKs done so far.

Plus it appears that you stole that post, verbatim, from this forum - http://forums.finalgear.com/off-topi...ge-1945/print/ - where it has also been disproven because it doesn't account for Kate and Leo's buoyancy. You added your own little intro and outro to make it appear as if you did the work.


Good job, good effort.


Now back to your regularly scheduled, beaten to death, Landon Donovan discussion.

[ImTellinTim]

re: Official USMNT/USWNT Thread

Plus it appears that you stole that post, verbatim, from this forum - http://forums.finalgear.com/off-topi...ge-1945/print/ - where it has also been disproven because it doesn't account for Kate and Leo's buoyancy. You added your own little intro and outro to make it appear as if you did the work.


Good job, good effort.


Now back to your regularly scheduled, beaten to death, Landon Donovan discussion.

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[Bezzey]

re: Official USMNT/USWNT Thread

LD is straight up USA born & the best soccer player we've ever had. It's a shame that he doesn't get to go to his last attempt at a World Cup. Members on here can bash me all they want. I'm going to keep LD in the spotlight.

But Landon was born in Ontario, Canada, so not technically "straight up USA born"

[Matt10]

re: Official USMNT/USWNT Thread

Every team is doing that? Uh the other countries that know they have a shot are so superior in talent then we are its ********, its time to shake up US soccer and thats what he is doing

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Like I said, logic needs to be thrown out. There's no point in showing up if you're not there to win. Simple as that. Shake up - for what? Psychology sake? Wasting time. Go work on your team's confidence first before caring about what message you want to send to the public and media.

[ImTellinTim]

re: Official USMNT/USWNT Thread

Like I said, logic needs to be thrown out. There's no point in showing up if you're not there to win. Simple as that. Shake up - for what? Psychology sake? Wasting time. Go work on your team's confidence first before caring about what message you want to send to the public and media.

He spends a lot more time with the team than he does answering questions that the media asks him. You're assuming things when you don't really have any idea what's going on or being said in training sessions or the locker room.

I don't care what he says to the media. He's a soccer coach. The good ones spend half their time (or more) in press conferences talking bull**** and playing down their chances. I am confident he'll have the team he picked ready for the games. But that's the thing. They can be as prepared and in form as they want, they're still going to have a hard time against the competition they've been given.

[Bezzey]

re: Official USMNT/USWNT Thread

We can also put it this way. In the current US setup, who's won a World Cup? How many American coaches have won a World Cup? We have a damn good coach that knows what he's doing and everyone in here complaining about him not thinking we are going to win this year is ridiculous. Are we going to? Probably not, even if LD was here but our best shot of it ever happening soon is with JK running the show. Who else could we get that would put us in that situation.

[mb625]

re: Official USMNT/USWNT Thread

I will say... I like Klinnsman. A lot. He's been doing a nice job since he arrived, I think. This is probably the first big decision of his that I've disagreed with.

[stlducks]

re: Official USMNT/USWNT Thread

I'm not sure how I feel about JK yet. I still think it's strange that it's the USA team with a German coach.


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[Suntan Superman]

re: Official USMNT/USWNT Thread

Plus it appears that you stole that post, verbatim, from this forum - http://forums.finalgear.com/off-topi...ge-1945/print/ - where it has also been disproven because it doesn't account for Kate and Leo's buoyancy. You added your own little intro and outro to make it appear as if you did the work.


Good job, good effort.


Now back to your regularly scheduled, beaten to death, Landon Donovan discussion.

Actually, I thought that was known internet-wide, from reddit, from the original posting of that picture, from here http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comment...wooden/c4dnjar

considering an image has been floating around with that convo for ~2 years, but I suppose I shouldn't assume people on the internet, use the internet...

I also thought it was a joke, but it is the internet, so I suppose we should take everything super serious.

[cdawg44]

re: Official USMNT/USWNT Thread

I will say... I like Klinnsman. A lot. He's been doing a nice job since he arrived, I think. This is probably the first big decision of his that I've disagreed with.

Yea, sucks that LD won't play, but this guy got a really, really young Germany team to the SF in 2006 and help spur this run Germany is on now. I am more than fine to give him the BOTD on this one. Beat Ghana and play well versus Germany, I can live with that and feel good we are moving in the right direction. Klinsmann has, and deservedly so, a very long rope for me.

[VTPack919]

re: Official USMNT/USWNT Thread

Actually, I thought that was known internet-wide, from reddit, from the original posting of that picture, from here http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comment...wooden/c4dnjar

considering an image has been floating around with that convo for ~2 years, but I suppose I shouldn't assume people on the internet, use the internet...

I also thought it was a joke, but it is the internet, so I suppose we should take everything super serious.

Look if you want to steal someone else's post and not put quotes, that's your own problem man. I am just calling you on your BS.

Sorry I don't use the internet to your liking, but I do appreciate the lesson in copy and paste physics. Maybe next time you can teach me how to use the internet, in your own words preferably.

/supersupercereal

[Bellsprout]

re: Official USMNT/USWNT Thread

I'm sorry, at the grandest stage, happens every 4 years, it's the dreamers that prevail - and that win. Take logic out of that - because there is more than just being technically sound and statistically in favor - this is the World Cup for crying out loud.

This leaves out that every team that has ever won a World Cup, to my knowledge, has been really really really really really really good at soccer.