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  • Keirik
    MVP
    • Mar 2003
    • 3770

    #541
    Re: 2021-2022 English Football Thread

    Originally posted by 3304Life
    He never should have chased that Ronaldo signing. That was his death warrant because they don’t love you like that, Ole.

    The problems United have aren’t all down to the manager and they’re also on the players but considering how readily they sold Lukaku only to replace him with a less mobile Ronaldo within a couple of years is mind blowing. They have, potentially, one of the best fluid front 3/4 in the league with Rashford, Greenwood, Sancho and Fernandes and instead signed a soon to be 37 year old who can’t run a whole lot any more, certainly not defensively, while having one of the most active (but ineffective, to be clear) attacking midfielders in the world behind him.


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    There is a major culture problem at United and has been from day 1 post Fergie. It’s been going on for quite some time. It’s clear to me that they think putting on the kit alone gives you wins on the pitch. I don’t know if this club spends too much time patting each other on the back or what but since Fergie left, I’ve watched far too many snippets of “this is the first time club X has won at Old Trafford/ eaten United/whatever since (add a year in from when my parents were wee lads lol). It’s disgusting to me. I’m lucky enough that Ive been an adult for our glory years going back to Cantona and the class of 92 right after but still. United have never been about the glory years until the day Fergie left and since then it’s all you ever hear about as a supporter.
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    • Krebstar
      is looking at stats.
      • May 2005
      • 12904

      #542
      Re: 2021-2022 English Football Thread

      Originally posted by Keirik
      I’m not comparing him to Klopp.
      You literally compared their overall records.

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      • ProfessaPackMan
        Bamma
        • Mar 2008
        • 63852

        #543
        Re: 2021-2022 English Football Thread

        Meh, it just depends how you decide to look at it. I never looked at it as a direct comparison, especially after he said this


        I’m not trying to say Klopp and Ole are equal but Ole hasn’t exactly embarrassed himself here. Klopp is infinitely better but we can’t just act like Ole is clueless.
        The one constant from him is that OGS isn’t a dummy. But you can compare their situations as long as context/nuance is included.

        But we’re all smart enough to know that as far as managerial skills goes, they’re not on the same level and I don’t think that needs to be pointed out.
        #RespectTheCulture

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        • Krebstar
          is looking at stats.
          • May 2005
          • 12904

          #544
          Re: 2021-2022 English Football Thread

          Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
          Meh, it just depends how you decide to look at it. I never looked at it as a direct comparison, especially after he said this



          The one constant from him is that OGS isn’t a dummy. But you can compare their situations as long as context/nuance is included.

          But we’re all smart enough to know that as far as managerial skills goes, they’re not on the same level and I don’t think that needs to be pointed out.
          I guess I looked at it like posting two managers overall records at their current clubs, but…whatever.

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          • Keirik
            MVP
            • Mar 2003
            • 3770

            #545
            Re: 2021-2022 English Football Thread

            Originally posted by Krebstar
            You literally compared their overall records.
            Correct. Their first three years. They have similar results. Makes it pretty difficult for the board to sack a club legend when he’s finishing 2nd in the league. That’s not comparing managerial skill but instead comparing results to show why he’s still here.

            I literally also said they are not even on the same level managerial wise and prefaced it by saying I’m not trying to say they are equal. Again though, I’m not sure how anyone can say “I don’t know how he’s the manager today” when you can look at three seasons of exactly why he wasn’t let go. Hell, he has more wins as manager of United than Mourinho did and in less games.

            He should never have been hired because once he was, he was going to very difficult to sack if he had any success which he did. The only way it was going to happen was by backing him and seeing the outcome but what a shame that the players are turning on him when most of these same players have turned on the fans by not giving their best for years under different managers.

            There is nothing wrong with saying he overachieved but also understand there must be some managerial skill to win 90 games in three seasons with the club, setting a record for longest unbeaten streak away from home in the history of the league. Ole also won the second most games in his first 100 games as manager in the history of the club. Second only to some dude I never heard of before. Can’t just ignore this because pundits that have spent an entire career being slapped around by the glory days of United.
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            • KG
              Welcome Back
              • Sep 2005
              • 17583

              #546
              Re: 2021-2022 English Football Thread

              Originally posted by Keirik
              Correct. Their first three years. They have similar results. Makes it pretty difficult for the board to sack a club legend when he’s finishing 2nd in the league. That’s not comparing managerial skill but instead comparing results to show why he’s still here.

              I literally also said they are not even on the same level managerial wise and prefaced it by saying I’m not trying to say they are equal. Again though, I’m not sure how anyone can say “I don’t know how he’s the manager today” when you can look at three seasons of exactly why he wasn’t let go. Hell, he has more wins as manager of United than Mourinho did and in less games.

              He should never have been hired because once he was, he was going to very difficult to sack if he had any success which he did. The only way it was going to happen was by backing him and seeing the outcome but what a shame that the players are turning on him when most of these same players have turned on the fans by not giving their best for years under different managers.

              There is nothing wrong with saying he overachieved but also understand there must be some managerial skill to win 90 games in three seasons with the club, setting a record for longest unbeaten streak away from home in the history of the league. Ole also won the second most games in his first 100 games as manager in the history of the club. Second only to some dude I never heard of before. Can’t just ignore this because pundits that have spent an entire career being slapped around by the glory days of United.

              When you say he overachieved…is that relative to Ole’s CV beforehand or in terms of the squad he had/has now? Or a bit of both?


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              • Keirik
                MVP
                • Mar 2003
                • 3770

                #547
                Re: 2021-2022 English Football Thread

                Originally posted by KG
                When you say he overachieved…is that relative to Ole’s CV beforehand or in terms of the squad he had/has now? Or a bit of both?


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                I imagine it’s a combo of both but mostly because of his abilities as a manager and abilities to manage players specifically. It’s just being exposed now because the team that finished 2nd last year added pieces that should have propelled us further along rather than struggling more. Before there were at least excuses of missing some players.

                Combine that with the fact that there doesn’t seem to be much accountability or reason as to why decisions are made. I’m still trying to figure out how the hell Maguire is the captain when week in and week out he is one of the the laziest players on the pitch. Did we give up on Sancho already? Did Van Der Beek kill Oles dog ? The captaincy should have been stripped a long time ago from Harry. How are we at a point where players are leaking out info that they want Ole out?

                I don’t know what the answer is though. for how bad of a manager Ole is however, it’s eclipsed twice over by how overrated some players on this club are. Pogba, Lindleof, Matic, Maguire should be the first to leave this club. I was especially sick to my stomach to watch Maguire say he apologizes to the fans for Sunday. Oh **** off. Apologize for the last two years of performances. The most fight he’s shown in the last two years was with cops in Mykonos.
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                • 3304Life
                  MVP
                  • Sep 2016
                  • 3002

                  #548
                  Re: 2021-2022 English Football Thread

                  Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                  So you’re pointing the finger at Ronaldo?

                  Not at him. I think given the chance at this point he was always going to go back to United. I just think the time for them to get him back has gone. Ronaldo going back to United was supposed to be like LeBron coming back to Cleveland but it’s more like the Cavs getting Bron now at almost 37 and expecting to win the chip this year (the comparison between these two is actually a lot stronger than I’d thought).

                  Much of the problem I had with the Ronaldo signing is that he is the system around which you build your play and everybody else in the United squad is built to play differently with a harder working, more mobile striker.

                  So I can’t blame Ronaldo for not buying in and reinventing how he plays at this age. But both sides should’ve known the negatives of this deal.


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                  • KG
                    Welcome Back
                    • Sep 2005
                    • 17583

                    #549
                    Re: 2021-2022 English Football Thread

                    All that being said… Spurs … you need to take one for the team this weekend.


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                    • 3304Life
                      MVP
                      • Sep 2016
                      • 3002

                      #550
                      Re: 2021-2022 English Football Thread

                      The upcoming games for them don’t look great. They’re already out of the league cup which isn’t a great start so no mid game week this week.

                      Spurs this weekend, Atalanta in Bergamo then City the following weekend. Watford after the international break which depends on what Ranieri can do with them in the next month followed by Villarreal, Chelsea and Arsenal in the space of 9 days.


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                      • jasontoddwhitt
                        MVP
                        • May 2003
                        • 8095

                        #551
                        Re: 2021-2022 English Football Thread

                        Originally posted by 3304Life
                        Not at him. I think given the chance at this point he was always going to go back to United. I just think the time for them to get him back has gone. Ronaldo going back to United was supposed to be like LeBron coming back to Cleveland but it’s more like the Cavs getting Bron now at almost 37 and expecting to win the chip this year (the comparison between these two is actually a lot stronger than I’d thought).

                        Much of the problem I had with the Ronaldo signing is that he is the system around which you build your play and everybody else in the United squad is built to play differently with a harder working, more mobile striker.

                        So I can’t blame Ronaldo for not buying in and reinventing how he plays at this age. But both sides should’ve known the negatives of this deal.


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                        Does United even have a tactical system?

                        United gave Ole the old vote of confidence, so he's gone by the international break, right?

                        Unless United start playing like they actually care about their manager.
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                        • jb12780
                          Hall of Fame
                          • Oct 2008
                          • 10665

                          #552
                          Re: 2021-2022 English Football Thread

                          Originally posted by KG
                          All that being said… Spurs … you need to take one for the team this weekend.


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                          Could say this every weekend to be honest.


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                          • ~LiverpoolRed~
                            YNWA
                            • Dec 2008
                            • 10755

                            #553
                            Re: 2021-2022 English Football Thread

                            Huge blow to Brentford. Goalkeeper David Raya out 4-5 months with a knee injury.

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                            • Krebstar
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                              • May 2005
                              • 12904

                              #554
                              Re: 2021-2022 English Football Thread

                              I’m going to trade away my entire fantasy team and just say **** it all.

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                              • ~LiverpoolRed~
                                YNWA
                                • Dec 2008
                                • 10755

                                #555
                                Re: 2021-2022 English Football Thread

                                Originally posted by Krebstar
                                I’m going to trade away my entire fantasy team and just say **** it all.
                                Had to laugh at this post on Match of The Day. Burnley fan talking about Raya's injury:


                                Not to worry about Saturday we will have Chris Wood upfront the linesman will be more worried from getting a repetitive strain injury from flagging him offside .

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