There is a major culture problem at United and has been from day 1 post Fergie. It’s been going on for quite some time. It’s clear to me that they think putting on the kit alone gives you wins on the pitch. I don’t know if this club spends too much time patting each other on the back or what but since Fergie left, I’ve watched far too many snippets of “this is the first time club X has won at Old Trafford/ eaten United/whatever since (add a year in from when my parents were wee lads lol). It’s disgusting to me. I’m lucky enough that Ive been an adult for our glory years going back to Cantona and the class of 92 right after but still. United have never been about the glory years until the day Fergie left and since then it’s all you ever hear about as a supporter.
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There is a major culture problem at United and has been from day 1 post Fergie. It’s been going on for quite some time. It’s clear to me that they think putting on the kit alone gives you wins on the pitch. I don’t know if this club spends too much time patting each other on the back or what but since Fergie left, I’ve watched far too many snippets of “this is the first time club X has won at Old Trafford/ eaten United/whatever since (add a year in from when my parents were wee lads lol). It’s disgusting to me. I’m lucky enough that Ive been an adult for our glory years going back to Cantona and the class of 92 right after but still. United have never been about the glory years until the day Fergie left and since then it’s all you ever hear about as a supporter.Yankees, Manchester United, Chicago Bears, New York Rangers -
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Meh, it just depends how you decide to look at it. I never looked at it as a direct comparison, especially after he said this
I’m not trying to say Klopp and Ole are equal but Ole hasn’t exactly embarrassed himself here. Klopp is infinitely better but we can’t just act like Ole is clueless.
But we’re all smart enough to know that as far as managerial skills goes, they’re not on the same level and I don’t think that needs to be pointed out.#RespectTheCultureComment
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Meh, it just depends how you decide to look at it. I never looked at it as a direct comparison, especially after he said this
The one constant from him is that OGS isn’t a dummy. But you can compare their situations as long as context/nuance is included.
But we’re all smart enough to know that as far as managerial skills goes, they’re not on the same level and I don’t think that needs to be pointed out.Comment
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Correct. Their first three years. They have similar results. Makes it pretty difficult for the board to sack a club legend when he’s finishing 2nd in the league. That’s not comparing managerial skill but instead comparing results to show why he’s still here.
I literally also said they are not even on the same level managerial wise and prefaced it by saying I’m not trying to say they are equal. Again though, I’m not sure how anyone can say “I don’t know how he’s the manager today” when you can look at three seasons of exactly why he wasn’t let go. Hell, he has more wins as manager of United than Mourinho did and in less games.
He should never have been hired because once he was, he was going to very difficult to sack if he had any success which he did. The only way it was going to happen was by backing him and seeing the outcome but what a shame that the players are turning on him when most of these same players have turned on the fans by not giving their best for years under different managers.
There is nothing wrong with saying he overachieved but also understand there must be some managerial skill to win 90 games in three seasons with the club, setting a record for longest unbeaten streak away from home in the history of the league. Ole also won the second most games in his first 100 games as manager in the history of the club. Second only to some dude I never heard of before. Can’t just ignore this because pundits that have spent an entire career being slapped around by the glory days of United.Yankees, Manchester United, Chicago Bears, New York RangersComment
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Correct. Their first three years. They have similar results. Makes it pretty difficult for the board to sack a club legend when he’s finishing 2nd in the league. That’s not comparing managerial skill but instead comparing results to show why he’s still here.
I literally also said they are not even on the same level managerial wise and prefaced it by saying I’m not trying to say they are equal. Again though, I’m not sure how anyone can say “I don’t know how he’s the manager today” when you can look at three seasons of exactly why he wasn’t let go. Hell, he has more wins as manager of United than Mourinho did and in less games.
He should never have been hired because once he was, he was going to very difficult to sack if he had any success which he did. The only way it was going to happen was by backing him and seeing the outcome but what a shame that the players are turning on him when most of these same players have turned on the fans by not giving their best for years under different managers.
There is nothing wrong with saying he overachieved but also understand there must be some managerial skill to win 90 games in three seasons with the club, setting a record for longest unbeaten streak away from home in the history of the league. Ole also won the second most games in his first 100 games as manager in the history of the club. Second only to some dude I never heard of before. Can’t just ignore this because pundits that have spent an entire career being slapped around by the glory days of United.
When you say he overachieved…is that relative to Ole’s CV beforehand or in terms of the squad he had/has now? Or a bit of both?
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Combine that with the fact that there doesn’t seem to be much accountability or reason as to why decisions are made. I’m still trying to figure out how the hell Maguire is the captain when week in and week out he is one of the the laziest players on the pitch. Did we give up on Sancho already? Did Van Der Beek kill Oles dog ? The captaincy should have been stripped a long time ago from Harry. How are we at a point where players are leaking out info that they want Ole out?
I don’t know what the answer is though. for how bad of a manager Ole is however, it’s eclipsed twice over by how overrated some players on this club are. Pogba, Lindleof, Matic, Maguire should be the first to leave this club. I was especially sick to my stomach to watch Maguire say he apologizes to the fans for Sunday. Oh **** off. Apologize for the last two years of performances. The most fight he’s shown in the last two years was with cops in Mykonos.Yankees, Manchester United, Chicago Bears, New York RangersComment
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Not at him. I think given the chance at this point he was always going to go back to United. I just think the time for them to get him back has gone. Ronaldo going back to United was supposed to be like LeBron coming back to Cleveland but it’s more like the Cavs getting Bron now at almost 37 and expecting to win the chip this year (the comparison between these two is actually a lot stronger than I’d thought).
Much of the problem I had with the Ronaldo signing is that he is the system around which you build your play and everybody else in the United squad is built to play differently with a harder working, more mobile striker.
So I can’t blame Ronaldo for not buying in and reinventing how he plays at this age. But both sides should’ve known the negatives of this deal.
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The upcoming games for them don’t look great. They’re already out of the league cup which isn’t a great start so no mid game week this week.
Spurs this weekend, Atalanta in Bergamo then City the following weekend. Watford after the international break which depends on what Ranieri can do with them in the next month followed by Villarreal, Chelsea and Arsenal in the space of 9 days.
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Not at him. I think given the chance at this point he was always going to go back to United. I just think the time for them to get him back has gone. Ronaldo going back to United was supposed to be like LeBron coming back to Cleveland but it’s more like the Cavs getting Bron now at almost 37 and expecting to win the chip this year (the comparison between these two is actually a lot stronger than I’d thought).
Much of the problem I had with the Ronaldo signing is that he is the system around which you build your play and everybody else in the United squad is built to play differently with a harder working, more mobile striker.
So I can’t blame Ronaldo for not buying in and reinventing how he plays at this age. But both sides should’ve known the negatives of this deal.
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United gave Ole the old vote of confidence, so he's gone by the international break, right?
Unless United start playing like they actually care about their manager.Comment
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Huge blow to Brentford. Goalkeeper David Raya out 4-5 months with a knee injury.Comment
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Not to worry about Saturday we will have Chris Wood upfront the linesman will be more worried from getting a repetitive strain injury from flagging him offside .Comment
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