2021-2022 English Football Thread

[Keirik]

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I’d be absolutely embarrassed if I had any association with that club after yesterday. The only reason Liverpool didn’t name a score and reach it is because United’s only defense to what was happening was to start going for legs.

So Liverpool played keep away for about a half hour as their supporters filed out of the stadium. One of the most enjoyable days I’ve ever had watching Liverpool, as I was at the supporter’s pub in Minneapolis.

Well, I’m the only United fan here I believe that posts. I’m not embarrassed per say. It is what it is. Im more frustrated because there are problems that go well above the man in charge. There is just a lack of respect for the game and opposition from the players. For everyone saying Solskjaer is not the man, I 100% agree. He’s not. However, the club can’t just sack and replace a new manager every time there is adversity. First thing first. Maguire needs the captaincy stripped. He’s no leader in Manchester. It bothers me more that Solskjaer can’t see that then yesterdays loss does. Second is to get rid of Pogba. He doesn’t want to be here. You can’t have a winning culture while you have guys that do not want a part here.

It’s funny how many of the same pundits that were saying how the club is a serious threat in the race once Ronaldo joined are now talking about Solskjaers credentials. He never deserved the job. We all know that. Yet he did get the job. He hasn’t won any trophies but he hasn’t exactly embarrassed himself either.
Klopp with Liverpool
In 331 games, Klopp is 198w 76d 57L 59.8w%
Solskjaer with United
In 164 games, Ole is 90w 36d 38L 54.8w%

I’m not trying to say Klopp and Ole are equal but Ole hasn’t exactly embarrassed himself here. Klopp is infinitely better but we can’t just act like Ole is clueless. What I think Neville is asking for with stability is to not just constantly change over. Can’t just use Chelsea as a quick fix and extrapolate it as if that’s the answer. That’s a rarity. If the right man is out there then sure. But I don’t think anyone can honestly say there is a no brainer definite guy that should be in charge so you can’t just overreact to one game or one bad stretch when they were not winning the title anyway this year.


But I do get it. It’s fun to pile on United since for so long they were untouchable. Rough time for guys like me lol.

[KG]

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Well, I’m the only United fan here I believe that posts. I’m not embarrassed per say. It is what it is. Im more frustrated because there are problems that go well above the man in charge. There is just a lack of respect for the game and opposition from the players. For everyone saying Solskjaer is not the man, I 100% agree. He’s not. However, the club can’t just sack and replace a new manager every time there is adversity. First thing first. Maguire needs the captaincy stripped. He’s no leader in Manchester. It bothers me more that Solskjaer can’t see that then yesterdays loss does. Second is to get rid of Pogba. He doesn’t want to be here. You can’t have a winning culture while you have guys that do not want a part here.

It’s funny how many of the same pundits that were saying how the club is a serious threat in the race once Ronaldo joined are now talking about Solskjaers credentials. He never deserved the job. We all know that. Yet he did get the job. He hasn’t won any trophies but he hasn’t exactly embarrassed himself either.
Klopp with Liverpool
In 331 games, Klopp is 198w 76d 57L 59.8w%
Solskjaer with United
In 164 games, Ole is 90w 36d 38L 54.8w%

I’m not trying to say Klopp and Ole are equal but Ole hasn’t exactly embarrassed himself here. Klopp is infinitely better but we can’t just act like Ole is clueless. What I think Neville is asking for with stability is to not just constantly change over. Can’t just use Chelsea as a quick fix and extrapolate it as if that’s the answer. That’s a rarity. If the right man is out there then sure. But I don’t think anyone can honestly say there is a no brainer definite guy that should be in charge so you can’t just overreact to one game or one bad stretch when they were not winning the title anyway this year.


But I do get it. It’s fun to pile on United since for so long they were untouchable. Rough time for guys like me lol.

For me Kerik, and this is just my outside somewhat biased opinion but are those Ole #’s really that good? To compare him to Jose… Jose won the League Cup and Europa League in his first year, finished 2nd the next year, and then the wheels came off. After that 2nd place finish instead of backing him the board game him Dalot & Fred. Ole finishes 2nd and they give him Ronaldo, Varane, and Sancho to a roster that was in better shape compared to what Jose inherited. Don’t get me wrong, Jose’s toxic but if you’re gonna get him you got to back him. Not too mention Ole’s best stretch and his tactical plan now is how Mou plays, on the counter.

The need to play the United way is going to set you back IMO. You’re still a pragmatic manager away from still being in this title race. As good as City, Liverpool, and Chelsea are they’re all going to drop points this year because there are still a lot of tricky fixtures out there not too mention the inevitable injuries.

The stability and shadow that SAF cast/s is crazy to me but we’re used to chaos [emoji2375]


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[ImTellinTim]

2021-2022 English Football Thread

They should continue with another club legend for their next choice and hire Steve Bruce.

But really I could see them waiting until after City because that’s going into an international break. Gives them time to line something up. Though then you’re opening yourself up to an Ole classic where we beats City and they can’t pull the trigger lol

There are also rumors floating around that some players are making it known today that they are done with the manager. There’s really no coming back from that.

[Keirik]

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For me Kerik, and this is just my outside somewhat biased opinion but are those Ole #’s really that good? To compare him to Jose… Jose won the League Cup and Europa League in his first year, finished 2nd the next year, and then the wheels came off. After that 2nd place finish instead of backing him the board game him Dalot & Fred. Ole finishes 2nd and they give him Ronaldo, Varane, and Sancho to a roster that was in better shape compared to what Jose inherited. Don’t get me wrong, Jose’s toxic but if you’re gonna get him you got to back him. Not too mention Ole’s best stretch and his tactical plan now is how Mou plays, on the counter.

The need to play the United way is going to set you back IMO. You’re still a pragmatic manager away from still being in this title race. As good as City, Liverpool, and Chelsea are they’re all going to drop points this year because there are still a lot of tricky fixtures out there not too mention the inevitable injuries.

The stability and shadow that SAF cast/s is crazy to me but we’re used to chaos [emoji2375]


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Ri agree with everything you say. This concept of the "United way" is such a false narrative. The United way was winning. Plain and sine. Attack attack attack yes but they didn't abandon structure and defense. I think the Maguire signing set them back years. He stinks. He just does. That's our captain? Captain of what, the titanic?
I'd love for them to sack Ole but there has to be a suitable manager to take over. Not just a name or fresh face.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Well, I’m the only United fan here I believe that posts. I’m not embarrassed per say. It is what it is. Im more frustrated because there are problems that go well above the man in charge. There is just a lack of respect for the game and opposition from the players. For everyone saying Solskjaer is not the man, I 100% agree. He’s not. However, the club can’t just sack and replace a new manager every time there is adversity. First thing first. Maguire needs the captaincy stripped. He’s no leader in Manchester. It bothers me more that Solskjaer can’t see that then yesterdays loss does. Second is to get rid of Pogba. He doesn’t want to be here. You can’t have a winning culture while you have guys that do not want a part here.



It’s funny how many of the same pundits that were saying how the club is a serious threat in the race once Ronaldo joined are now talking about Solskjaers credentials. He never deserved the job. We all know that. Yet he did get the job. He hasn’t won any trophies but he hasn’t exactly embarrassed himself either.

Klopp with Liverpool

In 331 games, Klopp is 198w 76d 57L 59.8w%

Solskjaer with United

In 164 games, Ole is 90w 36d 38L 54.8w%



I’m not trying to say Klopp and Ole are equal but Ole hasn’t exactly embarrassed himself here. Klopp is infinitely better but we can’t just act like Ole is clueless. What I think Neville is asking for with stability is to not just constantly change over. Can’t just use Chelsea as a quick fix and extrapolate it as if that’s the answer. That’s a rarity. If the right man is out there then sure. But I don’t think anyone can honestly say there is a no brainer definite guy that should be in charge so you can’t just overreact to one game or one bad stretch when they were not winning the title anyway this year.





But I do get it. It’s fun to pile on United since for so long they were untouchable. Rough time for guys like me lol.

Surprisingly this is the one thing a Bears and Packer Fan have in common, supporting this team lol.

I just don’t think they have a plan or an identity nor have they had one for some time but I always thought this was something that started at the top with Woodward. Hell, right now their plan is “Let Bruno/Ronaldo do their magic and voila!”

And if they get anything from Rashford or even Sancho, even better but the latter I don’t even think they expect much from him, which makes that signing look even more ridiculous because that’s money you could’ve invested into the midfield or back 4.

For the last few years, it’s been “Let’s aim for the top 4, get a CL spot and success!” Those are great goals to have for clubs like Leicester or Wolves, West Ham, even Spurs. Those are **** goals for a club like ManU.

[Keirik]

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They should continue with another club legend for their next choice and hire Steve Bruce.

But really I could see them waiting until after City because that’s going into an international break. Gives them time to line something up. Though then you’re opening yourself up to an Ole classic where we beats City and they can’t pull the trigger lol

There are also rumors floating around that some players are making it known today that they are done with the manager. There’s really no coming back from that.

There is that too. I think a few pages back i said that this tough stretch is going to be a bunch of poor performances then save Ole's job by having him win some games they have no business winning.
To me though ,this goes well beyond Ole and into the players. They've quit on Ole. Thats inexcusable. I'd blame Ole for losing the room but they quit on Mourinho too. This isn't new. Not marking men or hustling back has been going on well before Ole took charge. He's just going to be the likeable boob pundits can pile on because they couldn't do it to Jose. Pogba, Maguire, Lindleof, routinely quit in matches. in Lindleof's defense he quits because he just sin't any good. Pogba is the guy that quits every other week and you have to constantly convince him to stay. But he's being doing that his entire second career at United. There are some players that care but it's few and far between. I think Phil Jones is still on this club IIRC. Mata also still on the club (altough i do think he's likeable). Van Der B is here and never played. How is that good for morale of the club?

And if some players have made it known they are done with the manager then I say fine. Great. You're not going to be part of this club either afterwards because that's unacceptable as well.

[ImTellinTim]

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I do agree that the level of commitment by the players yesterday was absolutely unacceptable for this fixture. I said in the Liverpool thread that United basically became Everton, but that's insulting to Everton. Even if they're outclassed, you can never say Everton players aren't up for the Liverpool match at Goodison.

[Krebstar]

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Klopp with Liverpool
Won Champions League, Won Premier League

Solskjaer with United
**** all

[Keirik]

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Klopp with Liverpool
Won Champions League, Won Premier League

Solskjaer with United
**** all

What does that to do with anything?
Klopp first three years in charge he finished 8th, 4th and 4th. No trophies and lost in the Europa final and CL final I think.
Oles first three years he finished 6th, 3rd, and 2nd. No trophies and lost in the Europa final and quarter final of the CL. This is his fourth season or 3 and a half since he took over December of his first year instead of October like Klopp did.

In no terms am I trying to say Ole = Klopp. However, no one can just 100% discredit what Ole has done. United should have realized though that Ole has taken them to the limit of what he’s capable of. Probably exceeded it actually.
Klopp’s ceiling is higher for sure but there was a time where he was criticized for losing big games. Winning changes narratives pretty quickly. I believe he lost three straight finals for Liverpool between league cup, Europa, CL and was criticized for not playing enough defense for a time.

[Krebstar]

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What does that to do with anything?

Klopp with Liverpool
In 331 games, Klopp is 198w 76d 57L 59.8w%
Solskjaer with United
In 164 games, Ole is 90w 36d 38L 54.8w%

I know you said Ole hasn't won any trophies, but to even compare them, at all, is absurd. One can attempt to defend what Ole has done, but I would not do so by comparing him to one of the top managers in the world.

Comparing him to Klopp, in any way, finishes, when they took over, anything, does not help his case considering he's the manager of Manchester ****ing United.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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These fools are going to hire Conte aren’t they?

At this point, it’s just inevitable but seeing how it’s only 2 months into the season, it’s really the only option they have unless they go with an interim Manager for this season, which wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world at this point.

[3304Life]

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He never should have chased that Ronaldo signing. That was his death warrant because they don’t love you like that, Ole.

The problems United have aren’t all down to the manager and they’re also on the players but considering how readily they sold Lukaku only to replace him with a less mobile Ronaldo within a couple of years is mind blowing. They have, potentially, one of the best fluid front 3/4 in the league with Rashford, Greenwood, Sancho and Fernandes and instead signed a soon to be 37 year old who can’t run a whole lot any more, certainly not defensively, while having one of the most active (but ineffective, to be clear) attacking midfielders in the world behind him.


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[Krebstar]

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These fools are going to hire Conte aren’t they?

At this point, it’s just inevitable but seeing how it’s only 2 months into the season, it’s really the only option they have unless they go with an interim Manager for this season, which wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world at this point.

God forbid they hire an experienced manager who is a proven winner to manage a squad that’s ready to win some kind of trophy.

[Keirik]

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I know you said Ole hasn't won any trophies, but to even compare them, at all, is absurd. One can attempt to defend what Ole has done, but I would not do so by comparing him to one of the top managers in the world.

Comparing him to Klopp, in any way, finishes, when they took over, anything, does not help his case considering he's the manager of Manchester ****ing United.

I’m not comparing him to Klopp. I’m comparing first seasons taking over a club. It’s more of a testament to how overachieving Ole has been to have a similar first few seasons knowing he was achieving way above his level. He never deserved the position but I honestly think the club put themselves in a hard spot ever appointing a legend in the first place. I imagine it was always a hard sell sacking Ole before something like this happened once he had any success. But as I said before, I blame the players as well. They quit on the manager and statistically, he didn’t deserve this to be the way he has gone out.

I’ve said plenty of times even last year that they will never officially go anywhere until Ole is gone. However, at the same point, to basically call him out as if he’s some buffoon is nuts considering where they finished in the league especially considering how many holes in this team there still are. Fred, Lindleof, McT are three guys that would still have a hard time making the starting 11 of half the league let alone a top tier club. Matic is done, Pogba has never really wanted to be here, etc. I don’t believe any were brought in by Ole. There are serious roster flaws on a club this large.
Ole out, but he’s not the biggest problem IMO.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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He never should have chased that Ronaldo signing. That was his death warrant because they don’t love you like that, Ole

The problems United have aren’t all down to the manager and they’re also on the players but considering how readily they sold Lukaku only to replace him with a less mobile Ronaldo within a couple of years is mind blowing. They have, potentially, one of the best fluid front 3/4 in the league with Rashford, Greenwood, Sancho and Fernandes and instead signed a soon to be 37 year old who can’t run a whole lot any more, certainly not defensively, while having one of the most active (but ineffective, to be clear) attacking midfielders in the world behind him.


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So you’re pointing the finger at Ronaldo?