2021-2022 English Football Thread

[KG]

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I am happy Mike Ashley is gone.

The rest of my thoughts would probably violate the TOS so.

Hooray Mike Ashley is gone.

Such a weird spot for Newcastle fans. You deserve a good owner that’s gonna invest some and you get worse who are going to spend A LOT. There’s no coming back from this for the Premier League though. Might as well sell a club to a cartel next [emoji2375]


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[Krebstar]

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Its going to be really strange next summer seeing Haaland and Mbappe linked with Newcastle.

Haha, uh no. Go look at who City brought in 2008-2009 for a look at how it’ll really go. The team will first improve over a few seasons if overpaying for players who can improve the squad but by no means will be stars.

Money ≠ a well run club in the immediate. It’ll take them a few years to get in those who know how to run the club, including a proper manager.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Such a weird spot for Newcastle fans. You deserve a good owner that’s gonna invest some and you get worse who are going to spend A LOT. There’s no coming back from this for the Premier League though. Might as well sell a club to a cartel next [emoji2375]


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No different than some American Team Owners. At least that’s how I look at it.

[Zac]

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Haha, uh no. Go look at who City brought in 2008-2009 for a look at how it’ll really go. The team will first improve over a few seasons if overpaying for players who can improve the squad but by no means will be stars.

Money ≠ a well run club in the immediate. It’ll take them a few years to get in those who know how to run the club, including a proper manager.

I'm not sure what any of that has to do with the press linking players (rumors) as being targets of the club. You know its going to happen.



"John Stones on the Move? Newcastle?"

[Krebstar]

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I'm not sure what any of that has to do with the press linking players (rumors) as being targets of the club. You know its going to happen.

"John Stones on the Move? Newcastle?"

Well, if we're going that route then yes, the tabloid sites + Sky will literally link anyone to damn near anywhere regardless of it having zero chance of happening.

My point (and I get it, you were making a different one) is that for anyone who thinks Newcastle will suddenly be bringing in top players, it's not going to happen quickly.

[Brahvocado]

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I think he’s the all around better player then Lewandowski though. Lewa is an incredible goal scorer but he’s a true number 9 who doesn’t offer much outside of his goals. His productivity has risen exponentially with Muller sacrificing to become one of the most potent playmakers in the world.

I think if you put Lewa in some teams he won’t be as great without the service. Put Salah in any team and he’s great.


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This is the most insane take about Lewy I have ever seen.

“Doesn’t offer much outside his goals” LOL.

Absolutely incredible take lmao.

[Krebstar]

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This is the most insane take about Lewy I have ever seen.

“Doesn’t offer much outside his goals” LOL.

Absolutely incredible take lmao.

When contrarianism goes wrong.

[Zac]

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Well, if we're going that route then yes, the tabloid sites + Sky will literally link anyone to damn near anywhere regardless of it having zero chance of happening.

My point (and I get it, you were making a different one) is that for anyone who thinks Newcastle will suddenly be bringing in top players, it's not going to happen quickly.

Oh of course. They are still Newcastle. No big name player wants to move to Newcastle.

[Krebstar]

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Oh of course. They are still Newcastle. No big name player wants to move to Newcastle.

I’ve been trying to figure out who some of their early transfers will be in relation to City.

Who will be their Lescott, their Barry, their Santa Cruz, for example.

[Krebstar]

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Has anyone else found that during this international break is the optimal time to voluntarily or involuntarily ponder the...grossness that is the Premier League?

I know to be a sporting fan at all requires acute levels of cognitive dissonance, but something about the Newcastle sale has made me more than ever stop and think about how the league is a living monument to wealth above all else.

I guess I'll just continue my slow but increasing viewing and interest of other leagues.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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I did for a brief second until I realized that considering the other sports I watch and support faithfully(NBA/NFL)and knowing how the Owners/representatives from the teams and leagues operate, that I’d be a complete hypocrite in taking some sort of moral stance all of a sudden and it would be a waste of time/energy to get on a high horse and pretend that I care about how disgusting those people/leagues are.

[Suntan Superman]

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Has anyone else found that during this international break is the optimal time to voluntarily or involuntarily ponder the...grossness that is the Premier League?

I know to be a sporting fan at all requires acute levels of cognitive dissonance, but something about the Newcastle sale has made me more than ever stop and think about how the league is a living monument to wealth above all else.

I guess I'll just continue my slow but increasing viewing and interest of other leagues.

it bothers me to some degree, makes me turn off sports every now and then, makes me reconsider purchases instead of donations, and other such things, but knowing what I do doesn't matter because as long as you give people a bowl of popcorn they don't care how many people died to bring them their entertainment, I end up just giving up. The world sucks, I'll never have the individual power to make significant change so it's either get off the rock and hope the next life is better somehow or just try put the blinders on and enjoy sports.

Basically I still watch, just have an existential crisis everytime I do.

[Krebstar]

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I did for a brief second until I realized that considering the other sports I watch and support faithfully(NBA/NFL)and knowing how the Owners/representatives from the teams and leagues operate, that I’d be a complete hypocrite in taking some sort of moral stance all of a sudden and it would be a waste of time/energy to get on a high horse and pretend that I care about how disgusting those people/leagues are.

Something drastically different to me is the structure of the league itself. The Premier League is not a franchised, closed league. So, while yes, money has always been what separates one club from another, this feels different.

In the other leagues you mentioned, there is no relegation, and you're in a sense, rewarded by finishing low with high draft picks. Finish low in the Premier League and you're no longer in the league.

To me, that's a huge difference and why it doesn't make sense to me to compare it to American sports leagues, but I also essentially view only one American sports league (MLB).

What I've been thinking about is not just the morality of owners, it's the continuing lack of competition within the league that we're continuously heading towards. There will never be another Leicester City, and that's because it happened. What I mean by that is that the bigger (richer) clubs for years have continuously tried to close their ranks, poach or hoard even more young talent, and make it, well, a closed league (European Super League).

I have issues with the morality of ownership, but I have just as many issues with Newcastle being a competitive threat in several years not because they invested into the structure of the club systematically within their existing means, but because they were purchased by a nation.

Plus, I wasn't going to say it, but **** it. There's not a chance any NBA/NFL owner has even close to the morality issues/human rights abuse records as Saudi Arabia. Not even close.

but knowing what I do doesn't matter because as long as you give people a bowl of popcorn they don't care how many people died to bring them their entertainment, I end up just giving up.

For me it's not about eliciting change through my individual actions, as I know that's impossible. It's about just not enjoying watching the league as much as I have in the past, and knowing that in the future I'll enjoy watching it even less as we continue down this road. The Premier League has never been more of a product than a sporting competition than it is today.

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I just can not get over how different this is. It's not just another club sale, and it's not just another ****ty owner. It's much, much bigger than that, but I'm not expecting anyone to feel exactly the same way I do.

[Zac]

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I just can not get over how different this is. It's not just another club sale, and it's not just another ****ty owner. It's much, much bigger than that, but I'm not expecting anyone to feel exactly the same way I do.

This is exactly why Amanda Staveley is the figure head for the ownership group. And the one who will be in the media/spotlight for the club. To make people forget who the real owners are.

[Krebstar]

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This is exactly why Amanda Staveley is the figure head for the ownership group. And the one who will be in the media/spotlight for the club. To make people forget who the real owners are.

To an extent, yes, but they also very much bought the club not because they're Newcastle supporters or because they dream of trophies.

The best term I've heard for this whole thing in the past week actually sums it up perfect. Sportswashing is too vague—it's reputation laundering.