GutterPhenom16 - Madden 15, Realistic Sliders for Online CFM (Finalized)

[GutterPhenom16]

Year 2, Week 9: Oakland Raiders @ New York Jets

Oakland Raiders at New York Jets
Jan 1,	1ST	2ND	3RD	4TH	OT	SCORE
Oakland Raiders (4-3)	0	10	0	7	--	17
New York Jets (2-5)	7	0	7	14	--	28

Team Stats Comparison
	OAK	NYJ
Total Offense	355	438
Rushing Yards	113	259
Passing Yards	242	179
First Downs	18	22
Punt Return Yards	0	4
Kick Return Yards	39	21
Total Yards	394	463
Turnovers	4	4
3rd Down Converstion	7/11 (63%)	10/13 (76%)
4th Down Conversion	--	1/1 (100%)
2-Point Conversion	--	--
Red Zone Touchdowns/Field Goals	3-2/0 (67%)	4-4/0 (100%)
Penalties	2/28	2/20
Posession Time	24:15	31:45

Scoring Summary
FIRST QUARTER SCORING		OAK	NYJ
3:19	(NYJ) S. Rice, 7 Yard Reception from G. Smith	0	7
SECOND QUARTER SCORING		OAK	NYJ
5:17	(OAK) J. Harrison, 4 Yard Rush	7	7
0:45	(OAK) S. Janikowski, 47 Yard Field Goal	10	7
THIRD QUARTER SCORING		OAK	NYJ
2:50	(NYJ) S. Rice, 10 Yard Reception from G. Smith	10	14
FOURTH QUARTER SCORING		OAK	NYJ
10:36	(OAK) K. Thompkins, 5 Yard Reception from D. Carr	17	14
2:28	(NYJ) D. Murray, 11 Yard Rush	17	21
1:41	(NYJ) G. Smith, 13 Yard Rush	17	28

Oakland Raiders PASSING C/A YDS TD INT D. Carr (80.9) 22/35 242 1 1 RUSHING ATT YDS AVG TD J. Harrison 14 70 5.0 1 A. Ellington 5 37 7.4 0 M. Reece 3 7 2.3 0 L. Murray 1 -1 -1.0 0 RECEIVING REC YDS AVG TD R. Cobb 8 129 16.1 0 D. Hester 4 34 8.5 0 K. Thompkins 3 30 10.0 1 M. Rivera 3 26 8.6 0 M. Reece 2 14 7.0 0 A. Ellington 1 6 6.0 0 L. Murray 1 3 3.0 0 DEFENSE TACK SACK INT TD A. Hadley 12 0 0 0 K. Mack 6 2 0 0 D. Hayden 5 0 0 0 N. Roach 5 0 0 0 K. Lewis 4 0 0 0 KICKING FG XP PTS LONG S. Janikowski 1/1 2/2 5 47 PUNTING NO YDS AVG IN20 M. King 3 150 50.0 1 KICK RETURN RET YDS AVG TD D. Moore 2 39 19.5 0 PUNT RETURN RET YDS AVG TD D. Moore 0 0 0 0

New York Jets PASSING C/A YDS TD INT G. Smith (91.3) 20/26 197 2 2 RUSHING ATT YDS AVG TD D. Murray 26 189 7.2 1 C. Ivory 10 48 4.8 0 G. Smith 5 22 4.4 1 RECEIVING REC YDS AVG TD G. McElroy 4 45 11.2 0 C. Ivory 4 30 7.5 0 S. Rice 4 29 7.2 2 J. Amaro 4 20 5.0 0 E. Decker 2 51 25.5 0 J. Cumberland 1 15 15.0 0 D. Murray 1 7 7.0 0 DEFENSE TACK SACK INT TD D. Davis 11 0 0 0 C. Pryor 8 0 0 0 Q. Coples 4 0 0 0 D. Milliner 4 0 0 0 S. Weatherspoon 4 0 1 0 KICKING FG XP PTS LONG N. Folk -- 4/4 4 -- PUNTING NO YDS AVG IN20 R. Quigley 1 51 51.0 0 KICK RETURN RET YDS AVG TD D. Murray 1 21 21.0 0 PUNT RETURN RET YDS AVG TD D. Murray 1 4 4.0 0

[GutterPhenom16]

Quote: Originally Posted by GoHogsGo0928

Have you tried Coach Mode with these?

I have not unfortunately.. If you try them please let me know what you find!

[SteelCityColt]

Liking the promise of these sliders so far, everything else I've tried gives me monster sack numbers or a game where it's just impossible to play because the CPU is jacked up so much.

I'm having a few issues though if you could possibly help? I seem to struggle getting any form of consistent pass coverage. There always seem to be at least one guy wide open. I briefly messed around with increasing user pass coverage to match the CPUs (86) which helped matters.

However, leading onto my second issue, I can't seem to generate any pass rush! I've had cases after bumping user pass coverage where the secondary have covered the receivers (using man anyway) and the QB stands there doing nothing for a good 3-4 seconds while my pass rushers flail away.

I also seem to have a case where CPU QB's won't throw unless it's to a wide open receiver they all end up with crazy completion percentages. The only incompletions I see are from drops, no bad throws, or contested throws.

All those combined mean the CPU can dink and dunk me all day and I can never get a stop. When I completely sell out to stop the pass they can gash me with the run. I normally use 2-4-5 Nickel and have tried mixing up man/zone but nothing seems to help.

I should I am playing on 360 still.. not sure how much difference that makes but there isn't a great choice of slider sets on the last gen forum. Best I've found is Roadman's but I was throwing for silly numbers and still had the same robo QB issue with the CPU.

[GutterPhenom16]

Year 2, Week 10: Cleveland Browns @ Oakland Raiders

Cleveland Browns at Oakland Raiders
Jan 1,	1ST	2ND	3RD	4TH	OT	SCORE
Cleveland Browns (2-6)	7	7	0	0	--	14
Oakland Raiders (4-4)	3	14	0	10	--	27

Team Stats Comparison
	CLE	OAK
Total Offense	254	348
Rushing Yards	131	162
Passing Yards	123	186
First Downs	16	20
Punt Return Yards	0	13
Kick Return Yards	52	37
Total Yards	306	398
Turnovers	1	1
3rd Down Converstion	6/12 (50%)	8/14 (57%)
4th Down Conversion	--	--
2-Point Conversion	--	--
Red Zone Touchdowns/Field Goals	2-2/0 (100%)	2-2/0 (100%)
Penalties	1/15	2/26
Posession Time	25:37	30:23

Scoring Summary
FIRST QUARTER SCORING		CLE	OAK
6:48	(OAK) S. Janikowski, 53 Yard Field Goal	0	3
1:17	(CLE) J. Cook, 7 Yard Reception from J. Manziel	7	3
SECOND QUARTER SCORING		CLE	OAK
9:59	(OAK) R. Cobb, 16 Yard Reception from D. Carr	7	10
4:31	(CLE) I. Crowell, 5 Yard Rush	14	10
0:21	(OAK) J. Harrison, 1 Yard Rush	14	17
FOURTH QUARTER SCORING		CLE	OAK
13:52	(OAK) S. Janikowski, 52 Yard Field Goal	14	20
0:00	(OAK) R. Cobb, 43 Yard Reception from D. Carr	14	27

Cleveland Browns PASSING C/A YDS TD INT J. Manziel (139.1) 9/10 94 1 0 M. McGloin (53.8) 11/15 66 0 1 RUSHING ATT YDS AVG TD B. Tate 13 29 2.2 0 I. Crowell 7 42 6.0 1 J. Manziel 3 60 20.0 0 RECEIVING REC YDS AVG TD J. Cook 6 49 8.1 1 G. Jennings 4 42 10.5 0 A. Hawkins 3 32 10.6 0 I. Crowell 1 8 8.0 0 T. West 1 7 7.0 0 J. Gordon 1 7 7.0 0 B. Tate 1 6 6.0 0 S. Holmes 1 6 6.0 0 J. Jernigan 1 1 1.0 0 DEFENSE TACK SACK INT TD S. Brown 9 1 0 0 D. Whitner 8 0 0 0 J. Sheard 6 0 0 0 C. Kirksey 6 0 0 0 K. Dansby 4 0 1 0 KICKING FG XP PTS LONG R. Bironas -- 2/2 2 -- PUNTING NO YDS AVG IN20 P. O'Donnell 6 300 50.0 3 KICK RETURN RET YDS AVG TD J. Jernigan 1 19 19.0 0 A. Hawkins 1 18 18.0 0 J. Gilbert 1 15 15.0 0 PUNT RETURN RET YDS AVG TD J. Gilbert 0 0 0 0

Oakland Raiders PASSING C/A YDS TD INT D. Carr (97.6) 19/28 202 2 1 RUSHING ATT YDS AVG TD J. Harrison 24 109 4.5 1 M. Reece 0 45 5.0 0 D. Carr 1 5 5.0 0 L. Murray 1 3 3.0 0 RECEIVING REC YDS AVG TD R. Cobb 5 92 18.4 2 D. Hester 5 59 11.8 0 M. Rivera 2 24 12.0 0 J. Harrison 2 9 4.5 0 D. Ausberry 2 8 4.0 0 M. Reece 2 7 3.5 0 L. Murray 1 3 3.0 0 DEFENSE TACK SACK INT TD A. Hadley 12 0 1 0 K. Mack 5 1 0 0 T. Williams 4 0 0 0 J. Tuck 4 2 0 0 N. Roach 4 0 0 0 KICKING FG XP PTS LONG S. Janikowski 2/2 3/3 9 54 PUNTING NO YDS AVG IN20 M. King 4 153 38.2 4 KICK RETURN RET YDS AVG TD D. Moore 2 37 18.5 0 PUNT RETURN RET YDS AVG TD D. Moore 3 13 4.3 0

[GutterPhenom16]

Quote: Originally Posted by SteelCityColt

Liking the promise of these sliders so far, everything else I've tried gives me monster sack numbers or a game where it's just impossible to play because the CPU is jacked up so much. I'm having a few issues though if you could possibly help? I seem to struggle getting any form of consistent pass coverage. There always seem to be at least one guy wide open. I briefly messed around with increasing user pass coverage to match the CPUs (86) which helped matters. However, leading onto my second issue, I can't seem to generate any pass rush! I've had cases after bumping user pass coverage where the secondary have covered the receivers (using man anyway) and the QB stands there doing nothing for a good 3-4 seconds while my pass rushers flail away. I also seem to have a case where CPU QB's won't throw unless it's to a wide open receiver they all end up with crazy completion percentages. The only incompletions I see are from drops, no bad throws, or contested throws. All those combined mean the CPU can dink and dunk me all day and I can never get a stop. When I completely sell out to stop the pass they can gash me with the run. I normally use 2-4-5 Nickel and have tried mixing up man/zone but nothing seems to help. I should I am playing on 360 still.. not sure how much difference that makes but there isn't a great choice of slider sets on the last gen forum. Best I've found is Roadman's but I was throwing for silly numbers and still had the same robo QB issue with the CPU.

I will personally try out your suggestion of the Pass Coverage being the same as the CPU's rating, but I have noticed that with the CPU QB Accuracy lowered there are a few more passes that are just bad throws, but you are correct most of the incompletions are thanks to balls being caught out of bounds, or dropped, or intercepted; not really due to bad throws.

I think I may even lower the CPU Pass Accuracy down to 22 because while I have the User Accuracy set to 19 there are quite a few bad passes that I throw that are just complete misses even though I use the precision control stick too.. I have posted Slider Changes on my franchise post but I haven't updated it here; but I will do so now.

And for the Pass Rush I am actually surprised, maybe I just have a different skillset than you but I have an easy time getting into the backfield with my lineman. It could also be just your guy that you are using is not as good as the OL that he is facing?

I used Justin Tuck on the Left End and absolutely dominated and was getting 1 - 4 sacks a game. There are some games where I get 1 or 2 sacks, but then there are games where I finish with 8 or 9, it all depends on the day..

I would suggest mixing in a good Zone Defense.. Check out some zone blitz packages and make sure to change up the coverage before the snap if you see a hole in the zone. I have a better time using zone than man coverage because usually my corners get beat (they're old in Oakland -__-) so I tend to use Zone 90% of the time.

[GutterPhenom16]

I have updated the sliders on the front page

[SteelCityColt]

Quote: Originally Posted by GutterPhenom16

I will personally try out your suggestion of the Pass Coverage being the same as the CPU's rating, but I have noticed that with the CPU QB Accuracy lowered there are a few more passes that are just bad throws, but you are correct most of the incompletions are thanks to balls being caught out of bounds, or dropped, or intercepted; not really due to bad throws. I think I may even lower the CPU Pass Accuracy down to 22 because while I have the User Accuracy set to 19 there are quite a few bad passes that I throw that are just complete misses even though I use the precision control stick too.. I have posted Slider Changes on my franchise post but I haven't updated it here; but I will do so now. And for the Pass Rush I am actually surprised, maybe I just have a different skillset than you but I have an easy time getting into the backfield with my lineman. It could also be just your guy that you are using is not as good as the OL that he is facing? I used Justin Tuck on the Left End and absolutely dominated and was getting 1 - 4 sacks a game. There are some games where I get 1 or 2 sacks, but then there are games where I finish with 8 or 9, it all depends on the day.. I would suggest mixing in a good Zone Defense.. Check out some zone blitz packages and make sure to change up the coverage before the snap if you see a hole in the zone. I have a better time using zone than man coverage because usually my corners get beat (they're old in Oakland -__-) so I tend to use Zone 90% of the time.

Thanks for the detailed reply, when I've been testing these out I've not been using my OLB (Matthis) to rush the passed but controlling the MLB to try and shut down the over the middle passes that have been killing me. I'm still getting used to the new pass rush mechanic. Not sure if it's smoother on NG but feels clunky on the 360. I get the green circle but then a delay before being released. Not sure if I'm mean to keep hammering the button or press it just once.

Agree with my QB making bad throws, I'm using Luck and I get throws that just go wild. I kind of like it because it's realistic but I don't see the opposition QBs making the same mistakes.

Regards pass D I tend to use Man to Man about 50/50 with Zone as I've got fairly decent Man to Man corners and they seem to do okish. I don't really get beat outside, mostly over the middle or the quick passes out to the flats. It's like the CPU QB just doesn't make any bad decisions... ever.

Thanks again though for your work, I will put the updated sliders in and see what that plays like.

I hear that NG has better defense, might have to upgrade soon

[GutterPhenom16]

Quote: Originally Posted by SteelCityColt

Thanks for the detailed reply, when I've been testing these out I've not been using my OLB (Matthis) to rush the passed but controlling the MLB to try and shut down the over the middle passes that have been killing me. I'm still getting used to the new pass rush mechanic. Not sure if it's smoother on NG but feels clunky on the 360. I get the green circle but then a delay before being released. Not sure if I'm mean to keep hammering the button or press it just once. Agree with my QB making bad throws, I'm using Luck and I get throws that just go wild. I kind of like it because it's realistic but I don't see the opposition QBs making the same mistakes. Regards pass D I tend to use Man to Man about 50/50 with Zone as I've got fairly decent Man to Man corners and they seem to do okish. I don't really get beat outside, mostly over the middle or the quick passes out to the flats. It's like the CPU QB just doesn't make any bad decisions... ever. Thanks again though for your work, I will put the updated sliders in and see what that plays like. I hear that NG has better defense, might have to upgrade soon

I just finished my first game with the updated sliders and my god it was the most realistic looking game I have played on this game.

The Pass Rush mechanic definitely takes some getting used to but once you get the button-pressing down (I personally tap the A or X button repeatedly) you will start to see the Pass Rush become a much easier thing to handle.

With your post I lowered the CPU QB Accuracy and the numbers are amazing now.. I will keep the number where I have it, and I will update the sliders files and re-upload them to the Community Files.. Anyways, here is my game versus the Packers

Year 2, Week 10: Oakland Raiders (5-4) @ Green Bay Packers (2-7)

Oakland Raiders at Green Bay Packers
Jan 1,	1ST	2ND	3RD	4TH	OT	SCORE
Oakland Raiders (5-4)	0	7	14	7	--	28
Green Bay Packers (2-7)	0	6	7	7	--	20

Team Stats Comparison
	OAK	GNB
Total Offense	375	408
Rushing Yards	166	115
Passing Yards	209	293
First Downs	22	15
Punt Return Yards	9	0
Kick Return Yards	43	91
Total Yards	427	499
Turnovers	3	1
3rd Down Converstion	7/11 (63%)	3/11 (27%)
4th Down Conversion	--	0/1 (0%)
2-Point Conversion	--	--
Red Zone Touchdowns/Field Goals	4-3/0 (75%)	2-0/2 (0%)
Penalties	6/40	4/71
Posession Time	27:58	28:02

Scoring Summary
SECOND QUARTER SCORING		OAK	GNB
9:45	(GNB) M. Crosby, 26 Yard Field Goal	0	3
1:56	(GNB) M. Crosby, 19 Yard Field Goal	0	6
0:48	(OAK) R. Cobb, 4 Yard Reception from D. Carr	7	6
THIRD QUARTER SCORING		OAK	GNB
13:49	(OAK) K. McGill, 19 Yard Interception Return for Touchdown	14	6
6:38	(OAK) K. Thompkins, 4 Yard Reception from D. Carr	21	6
5:03	(GNB) E. Lacy, 55 Yard Rush	21	13
FOURTH QUARTER SCORING		OAK	GNB
0:17	(OAK) D. Hester, 1 Yard Reception from D. Carr	28	13
0:00	(GNB) D. Adams, 79 Yard Reception from A. Rodgers	28	20

Oakland Raiders PASSING C/A YDS TD INT D. Carr (92.6) 24/34 219 3 2 RUSHING ATT YDS AVG TD J. Harrison 17 103 6.0 0 M. Reece 10 59 5.9 0 L. Murray 2 4 2.0 0 RECEIVING REC YDS AVG TD R. Cobb 9 109 12.1 1 D. Hester 6 50 8.3 1 J. Harrison 4 22 5.5 0 L. Murray 2 15 7.5 0 K. Thompkins 2 12 6.0 1 J. Jones 1 11 11.0 0 DEFENSE TACK SACK INT TD K. McGill 5 0 1 1 U. Young 5 0 0 0 T. Brown 5 0 0 0 A. Hadley 4 0 0 0 N. Roach 4 0 0 0 KICKING FG XP PTS LONG S. Janikowski -- 4/4 4 -- PUNTING NO YDS AVG IN20 M. King 4 199 49.7 2 KICK RETURN RET YDS AVG TD D. Moore 2 43 21.5 0 PUNT RETURN RET YDS AVG TD D. Moore 1 9 9.0 0

Green Bay Packers PASSING C/A YDS TD INT A. Rodgers (92.6) 27/38 306 1 1 RUSHING ATT YDS AVG TD E. Lacy 14 99 7.0 1 A. Rodgers 3 10 3.3 0 J. Starks 1 6 6.0 0 RECEIVING REC YDS AVG TD S. Hatcher 8 75 9.3 0 D. Adams 6 120 20.0 1 N. Washington 5 56 11.2 0 A. Caldwel 3 28 9.3 0 E. Lacy 3 13 4.3 0 A. Robinson 1 9 9.0 0 J. Starks 1 5 5.0 0 DEFENSE TACK SACK INT TD B. Jones 15 1 0 0 H. Clinton-Dix 9 0 1 0 A. Dent 6 0 0 0 C. Matthews 5 0 0 0 M. Burnett 5 0 1 0 KICKING FG XP PTS LONG M. Crosby 2/2 2/2 8 26 PUNTING NO YDS AVG IN20 M. Koenen 5 278 55.6 1 KICK RETURN RET YDS AVG TD A. Robinson 3 69 23.0 0 S. Shields 1 22 22.0 0 PUNT RETURN RET YDS AVG TD A. Robinson 0 0 0 0