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Old 11-05-2018, 09:56 AM   #17
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QB AI is the best it's ever been

Zone coverage AI best it's ever been

Man coverage Ai best It's ever been

Db/wr interactions the best it's ever been

This game sure feels like it's the best it's ever been

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Old 11-05-2018, 10:18 AM   #18
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Oh I know, I was just reminding everyone who are disappointed every year, for me, the time constraints are the main reason. I blame the NFL, not the developers. For what they give us, it's really not that bad. But it's not going to get better until they stop releasing this game annually. I'd rather have them patch and give us a yearly roster updates until the next Madden. I heard a buzz that they were considering it. The the love of "money" is the root of all evil. And that's what is important to any publisher, But look what I said, publisher, not developer.
I understand, that theme has been ringing throughout the past 13 years. It's good for the game makers/stockholders, not so much for the consumer.
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Old 11-05-2018, 11:08 AM   #19
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Re: Will Madden ever be as Authentic as it used to be?

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I personally think Madden 19 is more authentic than football games of past generations, what with:

- more and more accurate player likenesses
- more and more accurate equipment options
- higher fidelity stadiums
- (limited) unique game conditions and presentation video / SFX per-stadium
- authentic NFL run blocking schemes (esp. power / inside zone / outside zone)
- authentic NFL run defenses (run fits, gap assignments, force / cutback assignments)
- authentic NFL pass defenses (pattern matching zones, esp. Cover 4 Quarters this year)
- teaching tools to educate users how to appropriately read multiple-route progressions when executing passing plays on offense
- more authentic pre-snap gameplay mechanics (ID The Mike, hot routes more take time to call, etc.)
- more player ratings to more accurately represent each player's talents
- weekly roster updates
- weekly live season data updates (and by accessory weekly franchise start points)

It'd be a cool touch to have the chain gang back, absolutely. However, adding the chain gang isn't going to magically make Madden the game you want it to be, and I don't think you are giving it enough credit for how authentic it already is relative to past generation games.

Specific to ball spot issues, I personally haven't noticed anything unusual this year. I'm playing as the Cowboys, though, and they have one of the strongest offensive lines and running backs in the game.
I agree with most of this. I do not notice the ball spot issue as much as other people. What I do notice is when I am one step from the first down the defender closing five feet before I can take it and stopping all forward progress at angles that should not do that to create and short situations. I have noticed that for a decade or more. I think on field the game is the best overall it's ever been with more better and less worse. Off field for franchise not so much.

The game playing better than a decade ago is not a major accomplishment. Most of us play other games and that is what the complaining derives from. While in 2005 the game may not have been as good as it is today it was much closer to pushing the boundaries of what game systems could do. We all expected franchise to become more realistic and it has continually become less so. That is a business decision based on one size fits all because where else are the customers going to go. EA is never going to make everybody happy. The disappointing they won't try.
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Old 11-05-2018, 11:10 AM   #20
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Re: Will Madden ever be as Authentic as it used to be?

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Originally Posted by CM Hooe
I personally think Madden 19 is more authentic than football games of past generations, what with:

- more and more accurate player likenesses
- more and more accurate equipment options
- higher fidelity stadiums
- (limited) unique game conditions and presentation video / SFX per-stadium
- authentic NFL run blocking schemes (esp. power / inside zone / outside zone)
- authentic NFL run defenses (run fits, gap assignments, force / cutback assignments)
- authentic NFL pass defenses (pattern matching zones, esp. Cover 4 Quarters this year)
- teaching tools to educate users how to appropriately read multiple-route progressions when executing passing plays on offense
- more authentic pre-snap gameplay mechanics (ID The Mike, hot routes more take time to call, etc.)
- more player ratings to more accurately represent each player's talents
- weekly roster updates
- weekly live season data updates (and by accessory weekly franchise start points)

It'd be a cool touch to have the chain gang back, absolutely. However, adding the chain gang isn't going to magically make Madden the game you want it to be, and I don't think you are giving it enough credit for how authentic it already is relative to past generation games.

Specific to ball spot issues, I personally haven't noticed anything unusual this year. I'm playing as the Cowboys, though, and they have one of the strongest offensive lines and running backs in the game.
I agree; Madden's not perfect (spoiler, no game is), but it is fun to play and the series has made some great strides during this current generation of console gaming.
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Old 11-05-2018, 12:02 PM   #21
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Re: Will Madden ever be as Authentic as it used to be?

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Originally Posted by CM Hooe
I personally think Madden 19 is more authentic than football games of past generations, what with:

- more and more accurate player likenesses
- more and more accurate equipment options
- higher fidelity stadiums
- (limited) unique game conditions and presentation video / SFX per-stadium
- authentic NFL run blocking schemes (esp. power / inside zone / outside zone)
- authentic NFL run defenses (run fits, gap assignments, force / cutback assignments)
- authentic NFL pass defenses (pattern matching zones, esp. Cover 4 Quarters this year)
- teaching tools to educate users how to appropriately read multiple-route progressions when executing passing plays on offense
- more authentic pre-snap gameplay mechanics (ID The Mike, hot routes more take time to call, etc.)
- more player ratings to more accurately represent each player's talents
- weekly roster updates
- weekly live season data updates (and by accessory weekly franchise start points)

It'd be a cool touch to have the chain gang back, absolutely. However, adding the chain gang isn't going to magically make Madden the game you want it to be, and I don't think you are giving it enough credit for how authentic it already is relative to past generation games.

Specific to ball spot issues, I personally haven't noticed anything unusual this year. I'm playing as the Cowboys, though, and they have one of the strongest offensive lines and running backs in the game.
Equipment options don't either but you seem to think it makes it more authentic. Player ratings aren't that different imo, they just added scheme fit which don't really do anything special.
I don't care about the chain gang. If they say it is short why bring them out just to show it is short? I'd skip over that.
There are other things that still need to be done to make this better like fixing relocation. Fix the unneccessary juking.
Now they have top QBs falling in the draft. That isn't what we wanted. We just wanted for teams that already had top pick young QBs to not still be picking them and fix other areas instead. So imo they made that worse.

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Old 11-05-2018, 12:42 PM   #22
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QB AI is the best it's ever been

Zone coverage AI best it's ever been

Man coverage Ai best It's ever been

Db/wr interactions the best it's ever been

This game sure feels like it's the best it's ever been

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Zones played better in the final version of 18, imo, but otherwise I agree.
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Old 11-05-2018, 12:43 PM   #23
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Equipment options don't either but you seem to think it makes it more authentic. Player ratings aren't that different imo, they just added scheme fit which don't really do anything special.
I don't care about the chain gang. If they say it is short why bring them it out just to show it is short? I'd skip over that.
There are other things that still need to be done to make this better like fixing relocation. Fix the unneccessary juking.
Now they have top QBs falling in the draft. That isn't what we wanted. We just wanted for teams that already had top pick young QBs to not still be picking them and fix other areas instead. So imo they made that worse.
Here is the issue, though, that I've learned from this line of personal thinking and I've been guilty of it in the past.

Equipment authentication may not be important for me, but it's important enough for others. Before Equipt Guru worked at Madden, he started a huge thread on equipment here at OS.

The chain gang isn't important for me either, but it's important for other folks who want more authenticity. What is more important for me is proper ball placement at first contact towards the first down marker.

Madden isn't made for roadman's wants and needs, it's made for everyone.

Do I like all the presentation elements within the game? Heck, no, so, I button press out of it all, but there are people that will take it all in.

Madden has plenty of areas in the game that need improvement, not just certain areas here and there.
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Old 11-05-2018, 01:15 PM   #24
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Re: Will Madden ever be as Authentic as it used to be?

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Originally Posted by CM Hooe
I personally think Madden 19 is more authentic than football games of past generations, what with:

- more and more accurate player likenesses
- more and more accurate equipment options
- higher fidelity stadiums
- (limited) unique game conditions and presentation video / SFX per-stadium
- authentic NFL run blocking schemes (esp. power / inside zone / outside zone)
- authentic NFL run defenses (run fits, gap assignments, force / cutback assignments)
- authentic NFL pass defenses (pattern matching zones, esp. Cover 4 Quarters this year)
- teaching tools to educate users how to appropriately read multiple-route progressions when executing passing plays on offense
- more authentic pre-snap gameplay mechanics (ID The Mike, hot routes more take time to call, etc.)
- more player ratings to more accurately represent each player's talents
- weekly roster updates
- weekly live season data updates (and by accessory weekly franchise start points)

It'd be a cool touch to have the chain gang back, absolutely. However, adding the chain gang isn't going to magically make Madden the game you want it to be, and I don't think you are giving it enough credit for how authentic it already is relative to past generation games.

Specific to ball spot issues, I personally haven't noticed anything unusual this year. I'm playing as the Cowboys, though, and they have one of the strongest offensive lines and running backs in the game.


While I agree with you on some points, I have to disagree with them, too.

I canít tell you how many times Fullbacks run into their blocking assignment and no animation is triggered. HB Power seems to be the only play it doesnít happen on; plays like 94 Will or HB Stretch are pretty much pointless. On toss plays, tackles will swing out, rub shoulders with a DE, and ignore them.

Like I said, the bells and whistles are there, but IMO, the gameplay is lacking.


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