2K19: Long Pass Spam

[Hellquist]

Quote: Originally Posted by BluFu

Long passes aren't actually the main issue. The real problem is that the defense still doesn't set up at an NBA level speed. Whether you pass the ball quickly up the court or you take a player and sprint up the court yourself, you will probably expose some massive holes in the defense.

Took the words right out of my mouth. Successful cherry picking and easy, open transition threes because YOUR AI teammates are dumber than a box of crayons and aren't aware or too slow. They are slower than a snail on a treadmill to react. Offense is still too fast. Defense is still at a slug's pace. That's why these plays happen. The transition defense still sucks. Defensive awareness still sucks. Speed discrepancies are still there.

I guess someone here said Da Czar mentioned the offense is light years ahead of the defense and it's pretty obvious. Might as well name the thread 2K21. I don't see this changing and I don't have confidence this stuff will be fixed and if it is fixed it will be a Band-aid.

[jfsolo]

Quote: Originally Posted by Kushmir

"In the correct situation" is the operative term...i've never had a problem there. The thing we need to remember is in a SIM things are going to happen outside of our control (the alternative is Madden with no penalties and absolutely nothing happening not initiated by the user) I just feel like we have to be OK with that. Incompetent defenders clueless how to rebound or with constant bail-out fouls late in the shot clock is one thing....but I doubt any of us have issues with AI players fouling in mismatches--or when they're in recovery position after getting beat....or Deandre Jordan not hitting 15 footers. Things like loose ball fouls and bad passes are good gameplay mechanics....THEY HAPPEN. All i'm saying is if full-court passes have a higher chance of being bad passes its not a bad thing.

This is the elephant in the room. As you say, realistic human foibles have been lobbied out the competitive space in Madden by the most high profile people playing the game, so a lot of real football situations are probably forever gone from H2H play in that game. Nonsensical mechanics like 100% guaranteed success at certain thresholds is a prime of example of H2H play being ruined by User Agency.

My gut tell me that with exception of the E-Sport league, I would wager that this is going to be the reality for NBA 2K as well. Most players seem to want User Agency to always win out over realistic NBA basketball concepts, and the H2H space will be forever worse for it.

[jeebs9]

I find this thread hilarious because just last month or year there was a thread about not being able to throw long passes. I make a video showing you can under the right situations. And now we're saying you can spam passes. This why I'm so WTF. You can find the thread... I think it was called passing in 2k sucks or something like that smh.

I haven't seen anyone beat someone with long passes as tactic to win in this game. Maybe 2 a game. But this thread feels like we're in 2k16 which that was abused to the point of no return.

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[Kushmir]

Quote: Originally Posted by jeebs9

I find this thread hilarious because just last month or year there was a thread about not being able to throw long passes. I make a video showing you can under the right situations. And now we're saying you can spam passes. This why I'm so WTF. You can find the thread... I think it was called passing in 2k sucks or something like that smh. I haven't seen anyone beat someone with long passes as tactic to win in this game. Maybe 2 a game. But this thread feels like we're in 2k16 which that was abused to the point of no return. Sent from my Nexus 9 using Tapatalk

Trash threads are a thing on OS--that someone did a thread on something doesn't make it relevant...we both know that.

I'm not sure what game they were playing because 2K18 has always had an issue with ridiculous passes being completed and players being able to inbound to half-court (breaking the defensive integrity) because of non or unacceptable reactions from the defenders.

ALWAYS.

Look at the date on these videos, its 9/16...the date after the game released. Now look at the reactions...look at guys like KAT and Dieng just sit and watch the ball being thrown full-court with no reaction.



Watch Ben celebrate as AD walks right up the middle of the floor...Covington's back is to the ball.



McConnell with his back to the ball? Johnson facing the right way (shocker) but he never even attempts to break on the ball? That's how defenders behave?



You're gonna sit here with a straight face and tell me those are ok? Seriously?

LOL! Jeebs, homey you're violating one of the cardinal violations of gaming right now. You're putting your play-style before progress. We've all had a loophole that benefited us ridiculously (mine was the 2-inch pass) but when more realistic basketball and our favorite loophole are the choices?

You gotta choose realistic basketball. PERIOD.

[UnbelievablyRAW]

For full court passes, it seems only players that have high defensive ratings have the forethought to run after terrible passes and intercept them (which I don't agree with because it doesn't take skill to take a couple of steps to catch such a terrible pass attempt). Other than that, the CPU will only deny a passing lane off a full court pass if they are directly in the line of the pass and can stand still and catch it.

Its hilariously easy to through 3/4 and full court passes to players that are surrounded by 3 defenders. At most the offensive player will bobble the ball a bit. How they don't get stolen or tipped in the air 95% of the time is beyond me

[jeebs9]

Quote: Originally Posted by Kushmir

Trash threads are a thing on OS--that someone did a thread on something doesn't make it relevant...we both know that. I'm not sure what game they were playing because 2K18 has always had an issue with ridiculous passes being completed and players being able to inbound to half-court (breaking the defensive integrity) because of non or unacceptable reactions from the defenders. ALWAYS. Look at the date on these videos, its 9/16...the date after the game released. Now look at the reactions...look at guys like KAT and Dieng just sit and watch the ball bring thrown full-court with no reaction. Watch Ben celebrate as AD walks right up the middle of the floor...Covington's back is to the ball. McConnell with his back to the ball? Johnson facing the right way (shocker) but he never even attempts to break on the ball? That's how defenders behave? You're gonna sit here with a straight face and tell me those are ok? Seriously? LOL! Jeebs, homey you're violating one of the cardinal violations of gaming right now. You're putting your play-style before progress. We've all had a loophole that benefited us ridiculously (mine was the 2-inch pass) but when more realistic basketball and our favorite loophole are the choices? You gotta choose realistic basketball. PERIOD.

Yes I think you've lost your Sim mind..... Lol All 3 of those passes were legit as hell. How could you not want someone to make/complete those passes?

First pass
He is wide open!! How could you not want this to be completed?

Second pass
AD is wide open running down the middle of the floor! Again how could you say this shouldn't be a completable pass?

Third pass
This might be worst of the 3. But it's not even that bad. Because he catches it in traffic and then loses the ball.

Final comment on this subject/thread. I think I've made enough comments and videos to back up my claims. All 3 passes above result in nothing unrealistic in my humble opinion. The AD pass is the only successful play up there. I come back to what I was saying before. Yes, the CPU could use a little improvement here. BUT I think it's on the user to recognise they have to recover with the guards here. All you need to do is being the defender near by. And the offensive player will fumble the ball (giving the defense some time to recover and react or the pass will sail over his head and turnover).

YES, The celebration needs work here. I've been burned a few times myself because the CPU chooses the long celebration animation. Watching Ben Simmons looking up at the crowd while AD zoom by definitely should be looked at.

I think it's silly for anyone to think that these passes are not makeable in real life. When you have any Jason Kidd, Nash, Magic even Ball makes these type of passes on a regular. Kushmir, for you to say for me to let go of my "playing style". Not cool. That's why I'm moving on this subject.

Thanks guys.

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[jeebs9]

Quote: Originally Posted by UnbelievablyRAW

For full court passes, it seems only players that have high defensive ratings have the forethought to run after terrible passes and intercept them (which I don't agree with because it doesn't take skill to take a couple of steps to catch such a terrible pass attempt). Other than that, the CPU will only deny a passing lane off a full court pass if they are directly in the line of the pass and can stand still and catch it. Its hilariously easy to through 3/4 and full court passes to players that are surrounded by 3 defenders. At most the offensive player will bobble the ball a bit. How they don't get stolen or tipped in the air 95% of the time is beyond me

I might be going crazy. But I haven't seen many of the passes that your saying completed into successful plays.

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[Kushmir]

Quote: Originally Posted by UnbelievablyRAW

Other than that, the CPU will only deny a passing lane off a full court pass if they are directly in the line of the pass and can stand still and catch it.

Exactly this. If the defender needs to move or sprint towards the ball at all? Its not going to happen....they'll sit and watch.