2K19: Long Pass Spam

[Kushmir]

Another reason the belief that "these passes are ok" thing doesn't jive is because imagine McConnell is Steph curry or any good shooter in the play below he scores...defenses are just gonna concede him an open shot like that? I doubt it.



And finally, if you're OK with those reactions...you have to be OK with them everywhere on the court...

When passes are thrown into the paint to elite scorers (or anyone for that matter) it breaks the game because, News Flash: They're in automatic scoring position...and if you think they're not gonna convert at a high rate you're crazy.



Still OK with defenders sitting and watching?

[The 24th Letter]

Quote: Originally Posted by Kushmir

Another reason the belief that "these passes are ok" thing doesn't jive is because imagine McConnell is Steph curry or any good shooter...defenses are just gonna concede him an open shot like that? I doubt it. And finally, if you're OK with those reactions...you have to be OK with them everywhere on the court... When passes are thrown into the paint to elite scorers (or anyone for that matter) it breaks the game because, News Flash: They're in automatic scoring position...and if you think they're not gonna convert at a high rate you're crazy. Still OK with defenders sitting and watching?

No, we shouldn't put 'long passes' in a box because that's how we go from one extreme to another.

I mean, the should just fly out of bounds in this video? I definitely cant vibe with that. The solution should be Joel Embid in proper position facing Cousins.

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[jfsolo]

Quote: Originally Posted by The 24th Letter

No, we shouldn't put 'long passes' in a box because that's how we go from one extreme to another. I mean, the should just fly out of bounds in this video? I definitely cant vibe with that. The solution should be Joel Embid in proper position facing Cousins. Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk

Yeah, bogus outcomes as a band-aid to deal with flawed defensive transition logic is doubling down on bad design. Fixing the defensive awareness, positioning, and reaction time is the only viable solution.

[Rockie_Fresh88]

No more elementary fumbling passes and throwing good passes out of bounds . Just give the defense better awareness and tools to combat it.

[jeebs9]

Quote: Originally Posted by Kushmir

Another reason the belief that "these passes are ok" thing doesn't jive is because imagine McConnell is Steph curry or any good shooter...defenses are just gonna concede him an open shot like that? I doubt it. And finally, if you're OK with those reactions...you have to be OK with them everywhere on the court... When passes are thrown into the paint to elite scorers (or anyone for that matter) it breaks the game because, News Flash: They're in automatic scoring position...and if you think they're not gonna convert at a high rate you're crazy. Still OK with defenders sitting and watching?

Quote: Originally Posted by The 24th Letter

No, we shouldn't put 'long passes' in a box because that's how we go from one extreme to another. I mean, the should just fly out of bounds in this video? I definitely cant vibe with that. The solution should be Joel Embid in proper position facing Cousins. Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk

Quote: Originally Posted by jfsolo

Yeah, bogus outcomes as a band-aid to deal with flawed defensive transition logic is doubling down on bad design. Fixing the defensive awareness, positioning, and reaction time is the only viable solution.

Quote: Originally Posted by Rockie_Fresh88

No more elementary fumbling passes and throwing good passes out of bounds . Just give the defense better awareness and tools to combat it.

So guys.... I've just played a bunch of games just because this thread is pissing me off lol. I found out what the problem is!

It's Joel Embid.....

His pass perception is 64. That's the defensive radar I've been talking about. I just played my cousin in a few games just to try out some passes I've seen from Kush. Kushmir keeps showing us Sixers clips. I basically couldn't make any of the passes against anyone over 70. Also notice the league avg for Center position was 64.


One of the other things I want to mention. Is that you can not spam long passes the whole game and expect to win. Too many turnovers and ball fumbling animations to stay in a game.


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[Kushmir]

Quote: Originally Posted by The 24th Letter

No, we shouldn't put 'long passes' in a box because that's how we go from one extreme to another. I mean, the should just fly out of bounds in this video? I definitely cant vibe with that. The solution should be Joel Embid in proper position facing Cousins. Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk

The MAIN solution should be proper awareness/positioning by Embiid and other defenders...we can move more than one needle tho.

I'm not advocating not being able to make long passes. But just like elite shooters miss shots....elite passers miss as well. They just have a much higher ratio of makes than everyone else.

2K has to be careful not to copy Maddens 'perfection model' that rewards user agency by having zero mistakes, curry and other shooters hitting every open 3....that kind of thing.

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[jeebs9]

Quote: Originally Posted by Kushmir

The MAIN solution should be proper awareness/poisoning by Embiid and other defenders...we can move more than one needle tho. I'm not advocating not being able to make long passes. But just like elite shooters miss shots....elite passers miss as well. They just have a much higher ratio of makes than everyone else. 2K has to be careful not to copy Maddens 'perfection model' that rewards user agency by having zero mistakes, curry and other shooters hitting every open 3....that kind of thing. Sent from my SM-J327P using Operation Sports mobile app

I've heard this said a few times now in this thread. I'm talking about comparing Madden Dev to 2k Dev. Why are we talking about Madden Dev here? 2k has dropped new small updates to their System. Like... The defensive radar I just brought up. Users just can't lead pass into the lane like years before. Even the title of this thread is wrong. It's not possible to spam long passes and be successful. 2k16 was bad. Until they patched. Problem was you couldn't throw any long passes after that. 2k17 was just as bad. This year they actually fixed it (IMO). They actually took my suggest I posted over and over the last 2 years. Good passes can make the pass to an open player. If he's covered he should fumble the ball. If the defender is covering him. He loses the ball. A bad passers should be able to hit a open player. But it's a dice roll if the fumble animation happens. But a bad passers won't be able to hit a covered player. I've tried it does not work.

I just don't agree with this rhetoric that 2k is sitting in their *** not improving the gameplay. I wouldn't come back to this game every year if that was the case.

Also your saying Lonzo Ball shouldn't be able to hit a long pass? I'm confused about what your asking for now after this post. Are you saying Lonzo Ball (who passes very well) shouldn't or should be able to make long passes?

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[Kushmir]

Quote: Originally Posted by jeebs9

Also your saying Lonzo Ball shouldn't be able to hit a long pass? I'm confused about what your asking for now after this post. Are you saying Lonzo Ball (who passes very well) shouldn't or should be able to make long passes?

*Sigh*...all the times i've said good passers should be able to make long passes:

1. "Hit ahead passes when no defender is there? FINE. I've got zero issue with a good passer making that play."

2. "Long passes In the correct situation is the operative term...i've never had a problem there."

3. "I'm not advocating not being able to make long passes."

At some point you're going to have to address what i'm ACTUALLY saying and not what your IMAGINATION is telling you.