Angryjoe's 2k take.

[NoLeafClover]

Quote: Originally Posted by BasketBalla21

They always miss the point. They're not even interested in actually talking about how the mode works or introducing ways to improve it before they implode it. Only two people have given suggestions for alternatives to the pack opening structure and they suggested alternatives that are more time consuming than the current structure. The least they could do is have an alternative that the MyTeam community would accept before they try to destroy the mode forever. But they're forever hiding behind children they don't have and people with poor self-control that they don't even know. I'm not an anarchist, I have a lot of respect for government and lawmakers that I know are un-corrupted. But I do not want the same people that tell me Call of Duty turns kids into school shooters to determine what is "good for the children" in 2k. They don't understand the medium. Until they do they shouldn't touch it.

Well if VC didn't exist and MT was only earned through playing the game, that would be a start.

Likewise, for the MyPlayer online modes (Park, Rec, Pro Am), they could just let us build the player we want up to a maximum attribute cap from the start, and choose 10 badges from the 50 available so that everyone was on a level playing field, then you just unlock cosmetic items by playing that don't give you an advantage.

But no, it's made into a grind and monetised to the point where you pretty much have to spend VC if you have any semblance of social life/responsibilities.

I don't give a F about all this outrage from internet bandwagoners, but when it negatively puts up barriers to enjoying what should be instantly enjoyable (you know, a video game is designed to be fun to be had AFTER work, not MORE WORK) and gives advantages to those who hand over their credit card, that's when problems arise.

It's the same **** with Call of Duty having heavy RPG elements added - companies employing psychologists to hook people into playing with dopamine hits and daily login bonuses instead of making the ACTUAL GAMEPLAY reason enough to play the damn game

[mb625]

Quote: Originally Posted by Vroman

Regarding packs , at least one thing must be mandatory. Its shown chance to pull anything possible. Now we don't know the chance at all, you don't know at all what you getting per x amount of money spent. 2k could just straight disable or tamper the chances for certain card if they wanted. Having casino machines to decide progress in basketball game is just awful and such desperate way to add "more stuff" rather than improving quality of the game in general. 2k don't do it out of gratitude for people grinding myteam without money spent either. You will definitely need to have strong cards to win online TTO consistently (speaking about average players, not the top 1% "elite skills") to get the "rolls" on those machines and if rewards gonna appear very good they will nerf it like they did in 2k19. In mycareer case 2k nerfed VC gain from regular games big time (like 2-3 times) and spin wheel was added instead. Sure maybe 0.5% population gonna win 1 milion VC and chance of winning it look like something 2k "improved" for players. Whats really nasty and got overlooked by reviewers not familiar with nba 2k is ante up mode. Playing wager games with in game currency that you can purchase is just too shady. Yes you can argue you can wager the VC u gotten for free from other game modes, but so you can gameble money on real casino from cash grandpa gifted or whatever and say why to regulate gambling and not rate it "for kids" as well.

Here's another thing I don't understand about this whole argument. These "casino machines" are completely unrelated to the monetary side of the game. They give you free things that you would get either way, regardless of method for distributing them, just for playing the game. Is it a bad design choice? Maybe. Is it in anyway promoting the gambles within the game? No. Should those gambles be removed? Maybe, but that's ultimately not something that I think should be regulated.

Looking at VC gains from MC this year, it looks to be better based on what I've seen. 12 to 14 hundred if you play your way to a solid first round pick. I'm assuming that's just a base that doesn't include bonuses for performance that have always existed, it seems that VC will be easier to come by this time around.

[Kstat]

...and here we come to the actual reason for the fake outrage. Entitlement. “I want a maxed out player in an online mode from the beginning without any cost or effort. Because, I’m better than everyone else. I have a life, which is totally unique to me and nobody else.”

At least this one is honest.

No one cares about your “life,” dude. The game would suck if everyone has max attributes right away and The neighborhoods would be empty by Halloween. If you don’t want to work at it, don’t play MyPlayer, or just don’t buy 2K. There absolutely is an aspect of grinding which makes you appreciate what you have. Maybe 2K could tone is down a notch, but that’s still a reward for investing time into the mode. Take that away and it gets taken for granted.

[Kid OS]

Quote: Originally Posted by mb625

I see you missed the point...

How? He said that if they regulated "gambling" in the games, they would then have to regulate "drugs, sex, and violence" in the games. Do you see drugs, sex, or violence in NBA2K? No. Regulation is already happening. It just needs work.

[Vroman]

Quote: Originally Posted by Kstat

...and here we come to the actual reason for the fake outrage. Entitlement. “I want a maxed out player in an online mode from the beginning without any cost or effort. Because, I’m better than everyone else. I have a life, which is totally unique to me and nobody else.” At least this one is honest. No one cares about your “life,” dude. The game would suck if everyone has max attributes right away and The neighborhoods would be empty by Halloween. If you don’t want to work at it, don’t play MyPlayer, or just don’t buy 2K. There absolutely is an aspect of grinding which makes you appreciate what you have. Maybe 2K could tone is down a notch, but that’s still a reward for investing time into the mode. Take that away and it gets taken for granted.

NBA 2k gameplay (and basketballin general) is deep enough to have "grind" in a state of learning game controls and basketball strategies in general. If your statements were true, we wouldn't have other PVP type games striving without "grinding/paying for advantage" .
Even from 2k16 experience your statements straight false. It was nothing special being 99 ovr there, it was easy (relative to last few 2k games) to get your player maxed, but i still saw parks full by the end of game cycle.

[mb625]

Quote: Originally Posted by Kid OS

How? He said that if they regulated "gambling" in the games, they would then have to regulate "drugs, sex, and violence" in the games. Do you see drugs, sex, or violence in NBA2K? No. Regulation is already happening. It just needs work.

His point was that if a game like 2k needs to be regulated via governance for microtransactions, video games which promote sex, drugs and violence ought to be regulated for these things too. Given that no one seems to be taking the charge on that one, why take up this crusade?

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[Kstat]

Quote: Originally Posted by Vroman

NBA 2k gameplay (and basketballin general) is deep enough to have "grind" in a state of learning game controls and basketball strategies in general. If your statements were true, we wouldn't have other PVP type games striving without "grinding/paying for advantage" . Even from 2k16 experience your statements straight false. It was nothing special being 99 ovr there, it was easy (relative to last few 2k games) to get your player maxed, but i still saw parks full by the end of game cycle.

Yeah....no you didn't. At least not anywhere close to what it is now.


Yes, there is PNO for people that don't want to work for anything....and it's not even close to as active as MyPlayer. And once you get past 85 there is no "paying," to skip to the next level. it's just you working to break the next level cap.

[Kid OS]

Quote: Originally Posted by Kstat

...and here we come to the actual reason for the fake outrage. Entitlement. “I want a maxed out player in an online mode from the beginning without any cost or effort. Because, I’m better than everyone else. I have a life, which is totally unique to me and nobody else.” At least this one is honest. No one cares about your “life,” dude. The game would suck if everyone has max attributes right away and The neighborhoods would be empty by Halloween. If you don’t want to work at it, don’t play MyPlayer, or just don’t buy 2K. There absolutely is an aspect of grinding which makes you appreciate what you have. Maybe 2K could tone is down a notch, but that’s still a reward for investing time into the mode. Take that away and it gets taken for granted.

He's literally the only person in here who has said anything about wanted to have a maxed out player instantly. The only time this is ever brought up is when people say that MyCareer and MyPark should be separated.

What most people want is a less grueling grind and less focus on VC. I'm sure you and I can agree on that. There are very few people out here who will whine about not having a 99 overall player at any point in the game's lifespan. We really just wanna be able to get up to a 97 overall in about 320 hours (which is around two months of playing the game for 5 hours a day if my math is correct). That's all.

The real entitlement comes from the people who ignore the issues that others are having simply because it, "doesn't affect me".