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NCAA Football 11 Patch #3 and Live Tuning Pack 3 Arrives September 7th

04:52 PM - September 3, 2010 by Steve_OS

Title Update 3 (TU3)

The pump fake exploit was resolved. The entire defense will no longer rush the QB after a pump fake.
Resolved an issue with setting SS/ FS to QB Spy and then blitzing, virtually unblocked.
Increased the Overall rating for incoming freshman. This resulted in one and two star freshman coming in at a higher overall rating.
In Season Progression is back! Players once again have the ability to get a slight boost to their ratings during the season.
There was an issue with Hawaii's home schedule causing conflicts with particular teams. This has been resolved. In particular, teams in the Pac 10 and the WAC will now have the correct number of conference games.
Resolved an issue with the Rush Defense slider where they were only impacting defensive line special moves. They have been adjusted to also impact win/loss chances for blocking.

Live Tuning Pack 3 (LTP3)

Kick Power/Kick Accuracy progression for Kickers and Punters was adjusted to be in line with the new incoming freshmen. Kickers and punters will now progress in line with other players, but will start with a higher average overall due to the improved recruit ratings in the patch.
Increased Awareness progression for all positions.
Increased progression slightly for Elusiveness, Spin Move, and Juke Move for Wide Receivers.
Increased progression of the Tackle rating for Corner Backs to be in line with WR skill ratings (Juke, Spin, and Elusiveness).
Reduced the frequency of defenders successfully jumping the snap. Also adjusted how frequently they would jump early when the offense performed a fake snap.
Tuned Man Coverage so defenders will not jump in front of routes so early. They will still jump the route, but not as early, or frequently, as before.
Adjusted in season progression to be in line with higher rated incoming freshmen.
Tuned Incoming freshman to better match the spread on the default rosters.
Tuned team prestige progression to be in line with the changes to incoming freshmen.

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# 141 LambertandHam @ 09/06/10 06:47 AM

Son of a.. well.. yeah

Looks like I'll be starting my dynasty over again. Increased freshman ratings, increased tuning package stuff. I'll just sim my first year this time, it'll be the third time

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That said, this is a big step in the right direction and with the season starting I can't wait to jump back in.

# 142 tmas @ 09/06/10 08:14 AM

Loving the in season progression.....wish they would address CPU depth chart and FULL highlight save for PS3 (I've had 2 punt return for TDs and it saves it from about the 30....frig!!!!)

# 143 jbrew2411 @ 09/06/10 09:00 AM

This all sounds great. I'm so glad they will be improving the kickers/punters. I'm 3 years in with Notre Dame and have been trying to find a kicker the past 2 season. Each year only 2 or 3 are worth offering but for some reason Ohio St. is loading up on kickers. They have signed 4 in the last 2 years. All I could sign was two 1* kickers (one will become a punter) and both have D's in kicking ratings. I have the #3 class in the nation due to my kickers killing me.
Now the the college football season has started I'm ready to start a new dynasty and get going for real.

# 144 purduepete @ 09/06/10 09:43 AM

Can't wait for the pump fake to be fixed. Just played 2 cheesers in a row that decided to use that in the 4th quarter to beat me. They will now get a game invite on Sept 7th for a rematch/trip to the woodshed

# 145 crabcola @ 09/06/10 10:06 AM

My wife will kill me. My Rams Franchise in Madden will kill me. Yay!!!!

# 146 northface28 @ 09/06/10 10:34 AM

I am cautiously optimistic, I hope the tuned attributes somehow fix the "depth chart" issue. However, I am worried that now the recruits will come in rated way too high, thus creating another set of problems. I hope I am wrong.

# 147 Azamien @ 09/06/10 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by TracerBullet


	I don't think the special teams game besides downfield blocking can actually be improved in this game. The bad snaps are necessary and would require new animations to work. They also probably need a long snapping rating. The long snapper is much more important than any game really has given it credit for. Not just any lineman can line up and dnap the ball 15 yards for a punt. Unless you actually are a long snapper, I can guarantee most of your snaps will skid across the ground, go too high, or go to far over to one side. Punters also don't take long enough strides which gives them more room to get off kicks. Most punters generally move forward about 3-5 yards on a punt. On the game the punters only go forward 2 yards because their first step is unrealistically short. Bad snaps would also help alter strides as that is what causes a lot of blocked punts. The lineman on punt teams also block for way too long. They should be getting up the field a lot faster than they do but they stay back to block too long. The ball trajectory on field goals hasn't been right in any game I know. Neither has the way a team blocks on field goals. I can understand not being able to put in the acutal way a team blocks, but the team kicking the field goal should never be able to push the other team trying to block the field goal back like they do at times. Most changes to any of the special teams stuff would have to probably come on NCAA 12. Until then though I'm going to continue to enjoy the things they did well on NCAA 11 and these changes in the next patch. Best football game I've played in awhile.

While I agree with the majority of your post, there are some things that could be patched/tuned for special teams:

1. Stop the receiving team blockers from jumping up at the line to try to block punts. It's ridiculous and the only thing it serves to do, other than just look flat-out stupid, is make sure that any returner reaching the second level will be destroyed.

2. For the CPU, and coach mode players, tune the returners to try to take the ball outside. Right now AI-controlled returners will only make slight adjustments to their path. They never try a full cut to the outside, instead going right into the teeth of the kicking team's pursuit. To test out what I mean, call a punt block when the opposing team has the ball on the hash, then let the AI control the returner for you. Assuming the CPU didn't leave their gunners out instead of bringing them in to help block (I've only seen this happen once) your returner will have an entire side of the field open to them. I guarantee, though, that he'll go straight into the tacklers instead of going to the open sideline.

Obviously this isn't a problem for online players, but it is a problem for any offline player since the CPU will never have any decent returns, and doubly so for any coach mode players.

I really believe those two things could be adjusted in a tuner or a patch.

My other pet peeve with special teams is how the AI can never, ever come close to blocking a kick. I have no idea why, and even less idea of how they can fix it since I can't even figure out why the AI sucks so bad at getting any sort of pressure on the kicker. Maybe it's something that could be tuned, maybe it isn't. But something isn't right.

# 148 Sundown2600 @ 09/06/10 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Sven Draconian


	I"m going to venture a guesa and say the AWR issue fixes the depth chart issue, atleast partly/mostly. One of the biggest things that dictate overall rating (which is what the CPU uses to start) is awareness, regardless of whether it matters during gameplay or just during sim. One of the penalties for playing a kid out of position was a HUGE hit in the awareness rating. If the awareness ratings are already suffering a huge hit (from design) than there is no penalty to starting a safety at end. He's just a really fast, athletic, player in the computers logic. So looking at LB for example, a corner looks like a freak of a linebacker. Great speed/agil/acc + great coverage ratings. Worse strength and tackle ratings....but the way the formula for OVR is setup, the speed probably matters more. What used to make the LB a LB and a corner a corner was AWR. You try playing a Corner at LB and he drops about 25 points in AWR and 10 points overall. Just a theory.

Outstanding point and your theory is not a theory it's a plain fact. Remember back to the PS2/Xbox days when position changes first made their way into the series. Switching a player from one position to another would affect his overall rating and his awareness rating. The more his overall and awareness dropped the more unsuited he was he was for that particular position. The logic in those days was really good because there were also instances when a position change would cause a boost in overall and it was at that point when you could make a decision to make a pos change. It seems this year the dev team has not penalized smaller players (corners, safeties) when they are moved to the D-Line. This definitely happened last gen. There was no way a safety or corner could play on the line because his rating would plummet. In so doing the CPU depth charts were never an issue because there would always be a random low rated D-Lineman or at worst a big linebacker who would out rate the corner or safety. On that note, it even seems the logic in those days factored in a player's size and weight into the equation.

Now I'm not sure if this is happening this gen or not, because tbh this year is the first year that I've been satisfied with this game to the point that I know I'm gonna keep it. I'm gonna sim some dynasty seasons and check to see how bad the CPU logic is. I'm hearing it's really bad in regards to pos changes and recruiting and that's unacceptable considering how well these areas of the game worked last gen.

# 149 Chas @ 09/06/10 11:18 AM

That pumpfake-glitch still works...

At least, it worked against me.

# 150 Buckeyes_Doc @ 09/06/10 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Chas


	That pumpfake-glitch still works... At least, it worked against me.

Because it's September 6th

# 151 Solidice @ 09/06/10 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Chas


	That pumpfake-glitch still works... At least, it worked against me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buckeyes_Doc


	Because it's September 6th

pretty much. patch has not been released, so of course it'll still work.

# 152 Colorado Cooler @ 09/06/10 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Lambert&Ham


	Son of a.. well.. yeah Looks like I'll be starting my dynasty over again. Increased freshman ratings, increased tuning package stuff. I'll just sim my first year this time, it'll be the third time . That said, this is a big step in the right direction and with the season starting I can't wait to jump back in.

I wish I could be so optimistic -- 42% of my offensive playbook isn't viable in off-line play. Play action is suicide and shotgun runs are a loss waiting to happen because run-blocking mechanics are deficient. I understand the need to do some more tuning but if major strategic elements of the game aren't repaired, it's all for naught.

# 153 novadolla @ 09/06/10 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by purduepete


	Can't wait for the pump fake to be fixed. Just played 2 cheesers in a row that decided to use that in the 4th quarter to beat me. They will now get a game invite on Sept 7th for a rematch/trip to the woodshed

LOL, GET EM

# 154 Deegeezy @ 09/06/10 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by booker21


	i wished they make the QB acc back they way it was before patch 2. Also the WR catching. After Patch 2, all WR plays as 99 catching. Specially catching after contact. They never drops balls, almost never, not even 58Ovr WRs Oh well.. maybe next year.

Agreed...The passing game was perfect before the 2nd patch. I miss the overthrows, especially from the CPU.

# 155 Rebel10 @ 09/06/10 01:11 PM

Sounds good, but unfortunately, no mention of hot zone defense got completely ruined after Patch & Tuner #2. It's great news for sure, I always like to hear about improvements, but the zone defense issue kind of blows. I've almost entirely stopped calling zone defenses, which prevents me from using about 70% of my defensive playbook.

# 156 socrateach @ 09/06/10 01:20 PM

So must I start my dynasty over to take full advantage of all of the fixes, or will everything be fixed in my current dynasty? Sorry if it's obvious, but I don't want to put time in today if I need to start over tomorrow.

Thanks.

# 157 Chas @ 09/06/10 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Solidice


	pretty much. patch has not been released, so of course it'll still work.

Wow...my bad.

# 158 acts238shaun @ 09/06/10 03:05 PM

As far as position changes the most radical one I've had is fs to qb. Most of the time its run stopping LB's moving to DE and hard hitting SS's to LB. Occasionally I'll move a CB to FS or a FS to SS or vice versa. I think that's one thing ea got right this year

# 159 ProfessorMD @ 09/06/10 03:11 PM

I recently had to go offline with my ps3 (move to a university which blocks ps3, xbox, etc. from accessing internet). Will I be able to get these files from the forum and upload them to my ps3? Thanks for any help guys, im unfamiliar with this situation.

# 160 acts238shaun @ 09/06/10 03:16 PM

When I say they got it right I meant it from the standpoint that guys come in as a running back and switch to cb wr lb s or even as a de.

Case in point, tenarius wright and tremaine thomas were both viewed as linebackers coming in but one is a safety and the other a de. I like that part of recruiting this year.

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