Kobe's 'Bulls'?

**SportsTop** · 07-12-2004, 11:19 AM

Re: Kobe\'s \'Bulls\'?

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Dice said:
First of all, please kill the "Kobe better than MJ at age 25" argument.

MJ at age 25:
Season - 1989, 32.5 ppg, 8.0 apg , 8.0 rpg, .538 FG% , .275 3PT%, .849 FT%

Kobe at age 25:
Season - 2003, 30.0 ppg, 5.9 apg , 6.9 rpg, .451 FG% , .382 3PT%, .842 FT%

So wheater you think Kobe is better at 25 or just thinks he had a better understanding of the game look at the highlighted stats and ask youself that question again.

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You are killin' me here. This is too easy. Kobe was not the #1 guy on his team. Shaq is/was. When no one in the league (and I mean NO ONE) can match up with Shaq, then he is, and will always be his team's #1 scoring option. Jordan was the Bulls #1 and #2 scoring option with Pippen #3 and any of the role players taking an open shot but risking a death glare from Jordan if they missed it.

If you look deeper into the stats you can see that Kobe took many more 3-pointers (and I'd bet many more mid-range jumpers) than Jordan did. Again, this just illustrates Kobe's forced outside shooting while Shaq dominated the inside.

**Dice** · 07-12-2004, 12:26 PM

Re: Kobe\'s \'Bulls\'?

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Squint said:
You are killin' me here. This is too easy. Kobe was not the #1 guy on his team. Shaq is/was. When no one in the league (and I mean NO ONE) can match up with Shaq, then he is, and will always be his team's #1 scoring option. Jordan was the Bulls #1 and #2 scoring option with Pippen #3 and any of the role players taking an open shot but risking a death glare from Jordan if they missed it.

If you look deeper into the stats you can see that Kobe took many more 3-pointers (and I'd bet many more mid-range jumpers) than Jordan did. Again, this just illustrates Kobe's forced outside shooting while Shaq dominated the inside.

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I'm trying to understand your point. OK we're talking about who was better at 25(or who had a better understanding of the gamne at 25) and your giving me that Kobe took more jumpers than MJ? So how does that support your argument?

**Dice** · 07-12-2004, 12:26 PM

Re: Kobe\'s \'Bulls\'?

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Squint said:
You are killin' me here. This is too easy. Kobe was not the #1 guy on his team. Shaq is/was. When no one in the league (and I mean NO ONE) can match up with Shaq, then he is, and will always be his team's #1 scoring option. Jordan was the Bulls #1 and #2 scoring option with Pippen #3 and any of the role players taking an open shot but risking a death glare from Jordan if they missed it.

If you look deeper into the stats you can see that Kobe took many more 3-pointers (and I'd bet many more mid-range jumpers) than Jordan did. Again, this just illustrates Kobe's forced outside shooting while Shaq dominated the inside.

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I'm trying to understand your point. OK we're talking about who was better at 25(or who had a better understanding of the gamne at 25) and your giving me that Kobe took more jumpers than MJ? So how does that support your argument?

**Dice** · 07-12-2004, 12:26 PM

Re: Kobe\'s \'Bulls\'?

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Squint said:
You are killin' me here. This is too easy. Kobe was not the #1 guy on his team. Shaq is/was. When no one in the league (and I mean NO ONE) can match up with Shaq, then he is, and will always be his team's #1 scoring option. Jordan was the Bulls #1 and #2 scoring option with Pippen #3 and any of the role players taking an open shot but risking a death glare from Jordan if they missed it.

If you look deeper into the stats you can see that Kobe took many more 3-pointers (and I'd bet many more mid-range jumpers) than Jordan did. Again, this just illustrates Kobe's forced outside shooting while Shaq dominated the inside.

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I'm trying to understand your point. OK we're talking about who was better at 25(or who had a better understanding of the gamne at 25) and your giving me that Kobe took more jumpers than MJ? So how does that support your argument?

**SportsTop** · 07-12-2004, 12:41 PM

Re: Kobe\'s \'Bulls\'?

My argument is that Kobe has a better understanding of the game at 25 than MJ did to go with the same physical abilities to play the game. He's been in many more playoff and finals games at this stage (albeit because of the team he is on) and by the time he is 30 years old will have the experience of a 35-36 year old player.

I said I'd bet that Kobe has taken more mid-range jumpers than Jordan did at this point and we can tell by the stats that Kobe took many more 3-pointers (with a higher percentage then Jordan did). Jordan had hundreds of more FT attempts than Kobe at this point. This just tells you that Jordan took more shots closer to the rim (resulting in fouls) thus resulting in higher FG%. The team Kobe is/was on didn't allow him to take those liberties as often as Jordan. Shaq was the man inside and Kobe's job was to take the outside jump shot and occasionally drive to the hoop (I use the word occasionally with some liberties understanding that it was much less than Jordan).

That is why I think Kobe has a more developed jump shot at this point of his career than Jordan did.

**SportsTop** · 07-12-2004, 12:41 PM

Re: Kobe\'s \'Bulls\'?

My argument is that Kobe has a better understanding of the game at 25 than MJ did to go with the same physical abilities to play the game. He's been in many more playoff and finals games at this stage (albeit because of the team he is on) and by the time he is 30 years old will have the experience of a 35-36 year old player.

I said I'd bet that Kobe has taken more mid-range jumpers than Jordan did at this point and we can tell by the stats that Kobe took many more 3-pointers (with a higher percentage then Jordan did). Jordan had hundreds of more FT attempts than Kobe at this point. This just tells you that Jordan took more shots closer to the rim (resulting in fouls) thus resulting in higher FG%. The team Kobe is/was on didn't allow him to take those liberties as often as Jordan. Shaq was the man inside and Kobe's job was to take the outside jump shot and occasionally drive to the hoop (I use the word occasionally with some liberties understanding that it was much less than Jordan).

That is why I think Kobe has a more developed jump shot at this point of his career than Jordan did.

**SportsTop** · 07-12-2004, 12:41 PM

Re: Kobe\'s \'Bulls\'?

My argument is that Kobe has a better understanding of the game at 25 than MJ did to go with the same physical abilities to play the game. He's been in many more playoff and finals games at this stage (albeit because of the team he is on) and by the time he is 30 years old will have the experience of a 35-36 year old player.

I said I'd bet that Kobe has taken more mid-range jumpers than Jordan did at this point and we can tell by the stats that Kobe took many more 3-pointers (with a higher percentage then Jordan did). Jordan had hundreds of more FT attempts than Kobe at this point. This just tells you that Jordan took more shots closer to the rim (resulting in fouls) thus resulting in higher FG%. The team Kobe is/was on didn't allow him to take those liberties as often as Jordan. Shaq was the man inside and Kobe's job was to take the outside jump shot and occasionally drive to the hoop (I use the word occasionally with some liberties understanding that it was much less than Jordan).

That is why I think Kobe has a more developed jump shot at this point of his career than Jordan did.

**MartinDihigo** · 07-12-2004, 01:59 PM

Re: Kobe\'s \'Bulls\'?

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Squint said:
My argument is that Kobe has a better understanding of the game at 25 than MJ did to go with the same physical abilities to play the game. He's been in many more playoff and finals games at this stage (albeit because of the team he is on) and by the time he is 30 years old will have the experience of a 35-36 year old player.

I said I'd bet that Kobe has taken more mid-range jumpers than Jordan did at this point and we can tell by the stats that Kobe took many more 3-pointers (with a higher percentage then Jordan did). Jordan had hundreds of more FT attempts than Kobe at this point. This just tells you that Jordan took more shots closer to the rim (resulting in fouls) thus resulting in higher FG%. The team Kobe is/was on didn't allow him to take those liberties as often as Jordan. Shaq was the man inside and Kobe's job was to take the outside jump shot and occasionally drive to the hoop (I use the word occasionally with some liberties understanding that it was much less than Jordan).

That is why I think Kobe has a more developed jump shot at this point of his career than Jordan did.

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I think Kobe's understanding of the game is poor. Jordans wasn't so great as a young player , but we see how he became a master of the game later on. So far Kobe has been disapointing because of his inability to win enough alongside shaq with a heavily favored team.

**MartinDihigo** · 07-12-2004, 01:59 PM

Re: Kobe\'s \'Bulls\'?

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Squint said:
My argument is that Kobe has a better understanding of the game at 25 than MJ did to go with the same physical abilities to play the game. He's been in many more playoff and finals games at this stage (albeit because of the team he is on) and by the time he is 30 years old will have the experience of a 35-36 year old player.

I said I'd bet that Kobe has taken more mid-range jumpers than Jordan did at this point and we can tell by the stats that Kobe took many more 3-pointers (with a higher percentage then Jordan did). Jordan had hundreds of more FT attempts than Kobe at this point. This just tells you that Jordan took more shots closer to the rim (resulting in fouls) thus resulting in higher FG%. The team Kobe is/was on didn't allow him to take those liberties as often as Jordan. Shaq was the man inside and Kobe's job was to take the outside jump shot and occasionally drive to the hoop (I use the word occasionally with some liberties understanding that it was much less than Jordan).

That is why I think Kobe has a more developed jump shot at this point of his career than Jordan did.

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I think Kobe's understanding of the game is poor. Jordans wasn't so great as a young player , but we see how he became a master of the game later on. So far Kobe has been disapointing because of his inability to win enough alongside shaq with a heavily favored team.

**MartinDihigo** · 07-12-2004, 01:59 PM

Re: Kobe\'s \'Bulls\'?

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Squint said:
My argument is that Kobe has a better understanding of the game at 25 than MJ did to go with the same physical abilities to play the game. He's been in many more playoff and finals games at this stage (albeit because of the team he is on) and by the time he is 30 years old will have the experience of a 35-36 year old player.

I said I'd bet that Kobe has taken more mid-range jumpers than Jordan did at this point and we can tell by the stats that Kobe took many more 3-pointers (with a higher percentage then Jordan did). Jordan had hundreds of more FT attempts than Kobe at this point. This just tells you that Jordan took more shots closer to the rim (resulting in fouls) thus resulting in higher FG%. The team Kobe is/was on didn't allow him to take those liberties as often as Jordan. Shaq was the man inside and Kobe's job was to take the outside jump shot and occasionally drive to the hoop (I use the word occasionally with some liberties understanding that it was much less than Jordan).

That is why I think Kobe has a more developed jump shot at this point of his career than Jordan did.

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I think Kobe's understanding of the game is poor. Jordans wasn't so great as a young player , but we see how he became a master of the game later on. So far Kobe has been disapointing because of his inability to win enough alongside shaq with a heavily favored team.

**jordan0386** · 07-12-2004, 02:01 PM

Re: Kobe\'s \'Bulls\'?

LMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAO...that made no sense to me

he has three chips...what are you saying

**jordan0386** · 07-12-2004, 02:01 PM

Re: Kobe\'s \'Bulls\'?

LMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAO...that made no sense to me

he has three chips...what are you saying

**jordan0386** · 07-12-2004, 02:01 PM

Re: Kobe\'s \'Bulls\'?

LMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAO...that made no sense to me

he has three chips...what are you saying

**SportsTop** · 07-12-2004, 02:10 PM

Re: Kobe\'s \'Bulls\'?

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I think Kobe's understanding of the game is poor. Jordans wasn't so great as a young player , but we see how he became a master of the game later on. So far Kobe has been disapointing because of his inability to win enough alongside shaq with a heavily favored team.

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Yeah, this comment does make about zero sense. Kobe is either being courted by, or wished for by more than half the teams in the league and it is because he doens't have an understanding of the game. All of those GM's must be idiots....well, Kupcake is an idiot.

I can tell by your post that you are young and the only time you ever saw Jordan play in his 20's were the replays on Classic Sports Network.

That doesn't count. You can't base an assessment of Jordan off of what you heard or saw in highlight reels.

**SportsTop** · 07-12-2004, 02:10 PM

Re: Kobe\'s \'Bulls\'?

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I think Kobe's understanding of the game is poor. Jordans wasn't so great as a young player , but we see how he became a master of the game later on. So far Kobe has been disapointing because of his inability to win enough alongside shaq with a heavily favored team.

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Yeah, this comment does make about zero sense. Kobe is either being courted by, or wished for by more than half the teams in the league and it is because he doens't have an understanding of the game. All of those GM's must be idiots....well, Kupcake is an idiot.

I can tell by your post that you are young and the only time you ever saw Jordan play in his 20's were the replays on Classic Sports Network.

That doesn't count. You can't base an assessment of Jordan off of what you heard or saw in highlight reels.

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