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Chief Rum

03-07-2007, 04:14 AM

you have to give him the money first and trust him to pay you back.

This is my first time to gamble because I have money and nothing to spend it on

There is one person still in the game who can attest that I have paid him back following a win. I still won't reveal his name because I said I wouldn't reveal my customers as a business practice, or how much they might have won or lost. If he wants to come out and reveal that himself, that's his choice.

Sicne you yourself are talking openly about gambling, I'll say sorry we didn't win tonight. The Lakers just blew it. Double OT but ran out of gas at the end. I wish they would have won, as you would have received your money back by now. I lost big as well.

Chief Rum

03-07-2007, 04:15 AM

Umm.. whoops. Acidentally posted my dynasty post here :(

Oooh...I loved your other dynasties from this. I didn't realize you started one. I'll have to go over there and check it out. I know you just posted this here to do some advertising. ;)

Chief Rum

03-07-2007, 04:20 AM

Vote Chief Rum

There's really no need for anything else, surely? I think the CR-Bsak attempted double-team yesterday speaks for itself. I think the detective did the right thing as CR basically incriminated himself thinking that he was going to be searched. He hasn't actually provided much in a way of explanation as to what, exactly, the search was going to turn up.

Good work on getting bsak chap and chappettes.

I responded to something like this already, of course, but to state again, any seeming alliance between me and bsak was entirely bsak's doing. I had no idea what he was doing or trying to do. I had no contact with bsak in this game at all.

As for incriminating myself, no one is asking the right questions. As in, why? Why would I have come out with the things that I have? Does anyone realize that if I had basically said nothing and continued on my merry way, it is likely no one would even be thinking about me at all except, of course, for Blade? If I was mafia, why would I do this.

I said it befoire, I will say it again. There is no sentence, even a word, in this entire thread where I have lied. If it takes my death to prove that, so be it. I only hope it doesn't cost good their victory by delaying things for another day.

Narcizo

03-07-2007, 04:22 AM

Narcizo

03-07-2007, 04:24 AM

I believe Alan said it does. Anybody want to donate some large amounts of cash to me so that I can make a last ditch effort to win enough money playing cards to get a victory.:D

You'd have to bribe the guard first and I'm not sure how you could bribe him to let you play cards - unless it's Internet poker.

Sorry for saying you should have an arrest warrant put on bsak or you by the way. I didn't really think the detective would follow that one through.

Narcizo

03-07-2007, 04:25 AM

Under the circumstance you'd vote to lynch you if you weren't you.

:D

Ah! My (too) many years of education came to the fore in that sentence.

Narcizo

03-07-2007, 04:33 AM

So what exactly did you think the search warrant was going to uncover at your place? The reason I voted for you last night (apart from gut feeling that you were trying to pre-empt the search result and trying to shift attention as much as possible) is that a good guy wouldn't really know what a search would turn up. Maybe a search of me would turn up something suspicious but there's no way I'd know about it.

Sorry! Just read your cryptic post about asking ourselves why you don't to reveal. To be honest it just doesn't cut it at the moment. It can't reveal any roles to put a target on someone's back as there's only 2 roles unrevealed and it's clear that those are a detective and bodyguard. So what exactly are you worried about revealing with this information.

Chief Rum

03-07-2007, 04:35 AM

Lets face it Chief, the evidence against you way, way outweighs that against anyone else. Under the circumstance you'd vote to lynch you if you weren't you.

So what exactly did you think the search warrant was going to uncover at your place? The reason I voted for you last night (apart from gut feeling that you were trying to pre-empt the search result and trying to shift attention as much as possible) is that a good guy wouldn't really know what a search would turn up. Maybe a search of me would turn up something suspicious but there's no way I'd know about it.

I think if I were on the other end, I would be reviewing all of Chief Rum's posts, particularly starting on Friday when I started talking about information and needing to get in touch with law enforcement. I would also take into consideration my actions and approach throughout the game from the very beginning, which has been consistent in theme and practice.

In fact, I would like to see what exact "evidence" there is against me. Fact is, there isn't any. The worst things about me have come from--tada--me! Why would I do this? Why is no one asking themselves this question? Or is the mafia/wolves/evil/etc. normally in the habit of just throwing the game?

I have been trying to get key evidence in the hands of law enforcement for three day cycles now. I lobbied for judges to get law enforcement strong again, even as "supposed" good guy like Blade voted for a dead guy! I literally asked to be sought out by police and searched. It's not some twisting of things. I actually asked for it! Check my posts.

If after all this, people still want to string me up, so be it. At least I tried.

I held back saying exactly what I was hiding because I feared being a target of the mafia. I was trying to be open but not TOO open, because I did fear the mafia would come after me, and that I might die before what I have could get to the good side in Big City.

I know what a search will turn up (assuming a search turns up items and what not), because I literally was sent messages telling me I had discovered things. It's not like something I started with and didn't know about. I actually received notice that I had come upon these. If I was good and found these items/information, and I knew they were bad for anyone found with them, would I not then be a good person who knew a search would turn up bad things? And yet I have asked for such a search, because I don't know of any other way to get them into law enforcement's hands. I don't know who law enforcement is. I can't trust anyone here any more than they can trust me.

Chief Rum

03-07-2007, 04:40 AM

Sorry! Just read your cryptic post about asking ourselves why you don't to reveal. To be honest it just doesn't cut it at the moment. It can't reveal any roles to put a target on someone's back as there's only 2 roles unrevealed and it's clear that those are a detective and bodyguard. So what exactly are you worried about revealing with this information.

This isn't about role reveal. This is about revealing good/bad allegiance--and the fact that something I have discovered may point the evidentiary finger at someone still left in the game. What I have may be the final clue to give away the final mafia member. But I lack the tools to investigate this. I am just a sports gambler and a businessman. Only police can do this sort of investigating. I am left with a mystery bag and no clue what it means or where it came from.

Chief Rum

03-07-2007, 04:51 AM

LAKERS LOSE!!!

So that sucks. We finally lose. And we should have won. Stupid Lakers. Sorry to all the bettors--we almost had it.

My business is still open, but it is my guess that it is drawing to a close. I don't foresee me living through the next day, and who would give their money to a marked man to make bets?

Nonetheless, when I discover tomorrow's bet, I will announce it and accept any bets.

Narcizo

03-07-2007, 06:27 AM

This isn't about role reveal. This is about revealing good/bad allegiance--and the fact that something I have discovered may point the evidentiary finger at someone still left in the game. What I have may be the final clue to give away the final mafia member. But I lack the tools to investigate this. I am just a sports gambler and a businessman. Only police can do this sort of investigating. I am left with a mystery bag and no clue what it means or where it came from.

Then what have you discovered? I realise that if you believe that you're going to get lynched then you have no reason to tell us, but maybe it will protect you from a lynch. I admit it, you've piqued my interest. I'd like the detective to check out Chief Rum if the search warrant hasn't expired yet.

Incidentally, everyone, I guess there's no point counting our chickens yet and after yesterday's missed vote we should vote for a judge. I trust LSG but I don't feel comfortable making anyone Judge Dredd so I'd currently vote to make Jonathon judge.

Jonathan Ezarik

03-07-2007, 08:20 AM

I trust LSG but I don't feel comfortable making anyone Judge Dredd so I'd currently vote to make Jonathon judge.

If the judgeship doesn't begin until tonight/tomorrow, this will work. I'm off on Thursdays, so I will actually be around during the day to issue warrants.

Jonathan Ezarik

03-07-2007, 08:25 AM

So why jump on me and not JE? For the record, I think JE is who he says he is, but he was the first to vote for kingfc.

As I said when I made the vote, I had to put one in. I don't know what the penalty is for missing a vote, but Alan has said one exists and I don't really care to find out what it is through experience. Therefore, I put a vote on the person that was most suspicious to me, mainly because I have no feeling on him. If I'd been around throughout the day, I would have waited on my vote and probably gone with bsak.

LoneStarGirl

03-07-2007, 09:03 AM

well i put in my day action at 9:10 yesterday and still haven't heard back. as soon as I do i will let y'all know

Alan T

03-07-2007, 09:09 AM

well i put in my day action at 9:10 yesterday and still haven't heard back. as soon as I do i will let y'all know

You should have gotten a pm already. If you don't have it, let me know and I will resend it.

Alan T

03-07-2007, 09:13 AM

The Big City Herald
Edition 28

Police busy on the case

Inside sources revealed to us this morning that the home of Chief Rum was searched by police. The detectives working the case would not reveal to us what they found or if they felt Chief was guilty, but they were seen leaving his home with a package of some sort.

Everyone's guilty!

The number of outstanding warrants are about to outnumber the amount of citizens left in our fair town. As the crime continues, suspicion starts pointing at everyone. Just this morning, the judge of Big City released two new warrants, one for the search of Blade and one for the arrest of Chief Rum. Are these two new warrants clues that somehow these are all linked after this morning's search?

A King's fate?

Forgotten admist all of the police work this morning is the fate of the man sitting in Big City jail. The judge has only a mere 11 hours left to decide his fate before city laws would demand his immediate release. So far we have not heard much from the defender or prosecutor on the case, and the judge as well has been fairly quiet on his thoughts of the case currently

Jonathan Ezarik

03-07-2007, 09:21 AM

Either what is found in Chief Rum's place will damn him or clear him, but I won't be around to find out. I hope it clears him because I feel like he has been upfront with us, but in the chance that it damns him,

VOTE CHIEF RUM

Jonathan Ezarik

03-07-2007, 09:22 AM

And FYI, I have voted for myself as judge (in case others want to go that route).

Blade6119

03-07-2007, 09:26 AM

I have not heared back about either my day action or job change, and ill let you know how it goes

SnDvls

03-07-2007, 09:32 AM

vote chief rum

still would like to hear what our judge has to say on king too

Abe Sargent

03-07-2007, 09:50 AM

And I'd like to hear a good defense by king. So far he's said, basically, "oh no!"

Abe Sargent

03-07-2007, 09:57 AM

Blah! Thanks for throwing me in jail and making me miss my poker game.

Now I have no chance in hell, unless I get seriously lucky to reach my winning condition.

Glad we got another bad guy, who I might add I VOTED for.

See? This is not a defense. It's essentially, "Oh no!"

Blade6119

03-07-2007, 09:58 AM

As ive said, i do not belive JE to be an ideal choice and i dont like his self-bid here...if bsak can start nuetral and go evil, so can JE(and narc)

LoneStarGirl

03-07-2007, 10:07 AM

Je is definitly not somebody i will vote for for judge.

And i cleared King,
so its up to you to believe me or not Judge Anxiety

Narcizo

03-07-2007, 10:09 AM

As ive said, i do not belive JE to be an ideal choice and i dont like his self-bid here...if bsak can start nuetral and go evil, so can JE(and narc)

To fair, it isn't a self bid. I nominated him. If we're going to start worrying about more switches then no-one is above suspicion and no-one can have a circle of trust. If I have to spell it out the reason I don't want LSG to be judge is that I think it's dangerous for one player to be able to issue an arrest warrant and execute it in the space of one day and then kick someone from the game the next day all on their own. We've seen how lackadaisical people have been about judge voting and I think it's too much power to give into the hands of one person. Which is why I nominated JE.

If you have a better candidate then let's hear it.

Blade6119

03-07-2007, 10:12 AM

Elect me, lsg, king, sndvls or path. Id be happier with any of those then JE.

I believe you, JE, and bsak all started nuetral...i believe all those listed above started good.

Narcizo

03-07-2007, 10:16 AM

Narcizo

03-07-2007, 10:16 AM

Or possibly LSG stated that he started neutal, I forget now. Lack of attention to detail isn't uncharacteristic for me.

Blade6119

03-07-2007, 10:17 AM

Je is definitly not somebody i will vote for for judge.

And i cleared King,
so its up to you to believe me or not Judge Anxiety

I was doing fine defending him lsg, you didnt need to double check me :p

In all honesty, i would have preferred you checking je or narc

Blade6119

03-07-2007, 10:20 AM

Um ... King's role is listed as neutral, he's said he's neutral. Path stated that he started neutral. This lack of attention to detail seems uncharacteristic of you (from what I've gathered).

I started as good and I'm willing to bet JE did. I have met my major objective - you meanwhile have a vested interest in keeping the game going for as long as possible.

I'm happy voting Path or sndvls as judge but we need a consensus pick.

No, im not generally on the ball as far as details go...i tend to notice trends and actions more then facts and who said what. So forgive my error.

And no, i dont narc...i gave up trying to hit my major objective back on day 2 when i decided to use my role to semi-seer people instead of look for my diamond. I would have gone different ways if i was still working hard to hit my objective(which will likely change if i get the new job)

Abe Sargent

03-07-2007, 10:31 AM

Je is definitly not somebody i will vote for for judge.

And i cleared King,
so its up to you to believe me or not Judge Anxiety

1). Cleared, as in past tense, could have been converted by now (see also: bsak).

2). I;d like to hear from king himself.

Blade6119

03-07-2007, 10:35 AM

you sure seem to be determined on this one...interesting...i wouldnt mind hearing more from him, but king just isnt one to talk much so you may be waiting awhile

Abe Sargent

03-07-2007, 10:44 AM

Honestly Blade, one peice of the king puzzle will be what our detective found at CR. I don;t think both our gamblers are going to be on the up and up, you know?

Blade6119

03-07-2007, 10:49 AM

Chief Rum

03-07-2007, 11:00 AM

Blade, it's a tough spot.

Abe Sargent

03-07-2007, 11:02 AM

I understand that belief...its tricky, as our detective doesnt want to reveal...so if chief is good, do you reveal and let yourself be killed(since todays kill is still out there). Or do you let it happen, prob. let king off the hook...its a tough spot if chief is good...if chief is bad, its an easy spot

Let's make this easy.

If I haven't heard from a detective by around an hour before deadline, then I'm going to assume that Chief is good. Then I'll make my king decision, in part, based on that.

Fair enough?

Chief Rum

03-07-2007, 11:06 AM

Okay, it's been a very interesting day so far, as I made some key decisions given what I felt would happen today. I am uncertain of how much I should reveal.

The police did visit me this morning, and they did take one of the items I discovered with them. They also took it in the package in which it was to be sent, to the person it was to be sent to. Not sure if that will be part of the information they receive. It is also the less critical of the two items I had.

I sent the other item to someone else. I'm not going to say who. He/she can determine if they want to do anything with it. All I can do is assure them that once again I found that item and have no idea if it is involved in anything related to mafia--but I dsidn't find it until the night hoopsguy was shot and DaddyTorgo was killed by the mob.

Despite my kingfc vote yesterday, I am leaning toward him being innocent. Not only did LSG clear him, but I believe there is only one mafia left, and I know for a fact that a mafia action was taken in the evening post-deadline last night. It would be difficult for kingfc to do that in jail.

Lastly, don't lynch me. It won't do you any good.

Blade6119

03-07-2007, 11:39 AM

Let's make this easy.

If I haven't heard from a detective by around an hour before deadline, then I'm going to assume that Chief is good. Then I'll make my king decision, in part, based on that.

Fair enough?

Your the judge, and the people elected you...i wasnt one of your voters, so dont try to please me here. Do what you think is right

LoneStarGirl

03-07-2007, 11:41 AM

I was doing fine defending him lsg, you didnt need to double check me :p

In all honesty, i would have preferred you checking je or narc

I told you I already checked JE. And I was pressured to pick up both the warrants. Although I dont know why another detective wouldn't have done that

Blade6119

03-07-2007, 11:41 AM

Blade6119

03-07-2007, 11:42 AM

I told you I already checked JE. And I was pressured to pick up both the warrants. Although I dont know why another detective wouldn't have done that
Now im just confused...but ignore me, im not in the right train of thought here lsg...i see oddities, but ill just sit back and let it sink in for a bit

LoneStarGirl

03-07-2007, 11:44 AM

And I tend to believe Cheif is good, so I will be voting an uncleared tonight.

Narc is the only uncleared person right?

Vote Narc

subject to change

LoneStarGirl

03-07-2007, 11:48 AM

oh screw it.... Everybody knows as hints have been dropped left and right about me.

I am a detective. I know for a fact there is another detective out there, so if I am night killed tonight it wont be the end of the world for us.

I can check one person a day, by looking in the police records, or i can pick up one warrant. I dont remember what night I choose who, so bear with me...

Blade - he was in the system as the person who filed a report against a pickpocket

JE- not in the system at all

Swaggs - picked up his warrant and found nothing to incriminate him

King - picked up his warrant and found him clean

Path - clean

Cheif Rum - I went to his house and found a UPS man leaving with a package. But in his house there was a package addressed to me. I took it. I had a choice of opening it and keeping it, or putting it into evidence. I chose to be an upright citizen and put it into evidence. It was a rare gem. I dont know why he would send it to me though... I dont need a gem, Blade does. Also, he wasn't in the system at all.... but the PM was curious as to maybe he wasn't in there cuz nobody has thought to fingerprint him yet.

Now that I think about it, I think maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea to kill Cheif just to see....

Blade6119

03-07-2007, 11:49 AM

And I tend to believe Cheif is good, so I will be voting an uncleared tonight.

Narc is the only uncleared person right?

Vote Narc

subject to change

I checked narc, and he is the banker(well, he had the best ring ive seen yet, cronin included).

Narc earned my trust when he was instrumental(with anxiety) in bringing down barkeep...

Lsg, do you tend to believe or are you sure chief is good? Like evidence sure

Blade6119

03-07-2007, 11:51 AM

Cheif Rum - I went to his house and found a UPS man leaving with a package. But in his house there was a package addressed to me. I took it. I had a choice of opening it and keeping it, or putting it into evidence. I chose to be an upright citizen and put it into evidence. It was a rare gem. I dont know why he would send it to me though... I dont need a gem, Blade does. Also, he wasn't in the system at all.... but the PM was curious as to maybe he wasn't in there cuz nobody has thought to fingerprint him yet.

Now that I think about it, I think maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea to kill Cheif just to see....

LSG, chief claimed to file a report about being pickpocketed...so if im in there for filing my report, he flat out lied about filing a report the day ITC was killed since hes not in the system

Chief Rum

03-07-2007, 11:53 AM

May i ask, as repectfully as possible, why you seem so intent on not revealing what these items were?

Secondly, didnt you say you had recieved 3 items the other day? I may be mistaken, and if so i apologize.

Before I kept them a secret out of fear that knowledge of what they were would get me killed by the mafia or by your lynch mob. Now I keep them secret because they are no longer in my hands, but someone else's problem. And I don't want to make their problem worse by saying what those items are unless they want me to or choose to come out with it themselves. I still don't know who the last mafia is (assuming there is just one). I am hoping this will shake things up.

I said I had three incidents, including the pickpocket incident. The other two involved me finding the items no longer in my possession. All three occurred over a day and a half or so cycle.

But then, according to you, the pickpocket never happened (shrugs).

Blade6119

03-07-2007, 11:56 AM

Before I kept them a secret out of fear that knowledge of what they were would get me killed by the mafia or by your lynch mob. Now I keep them secret because they are no longer in my hands, but someone else's problem. And I don't want to make their problem worse by saying what those items are unless they want me to or choose to come out with it themselves. I still don't know who the last mafia is (assuming there is just one). I am hoping this will shake things up.

I said I had three incidents, including the pickpocket incident. The other two involved me finding the items no longer in my possession. All three occurred over a day and a half or so cycle.

But then, according to you, the pickpocket never happened (shrugs).

So if you had a rare gem, why would you give it to the police and not me? LSG said you had a rare gem and turned it over to the cops...why?

Chief Rum

03-07-2007, 11:57 AM

LSG, chief claimed to file a report about being pickpocketed...so if im in there for filing my report, he flat out lied about filing a report the day ITC was killed since hes not in the system

Blade, if a crime was to be reported, who would receive that report? Meaning, if you call 911...

We started with a role related to that. Keep that in mind.

Blade6119

03-07-2007, 11:58 AM

Blade, if a crime was to be reported, who would receive that report? Meaning, if you call 911...

We started with a role related to that. Keep that in mind.

So your saying post tyriths death(or even kidnapping), no crime has been reported?

Chief Rum

03-07-2007, 12:00 PM

So if you had a rare gem, why would you give it to the police and not me? LSG said you had a rare gem and turned it over to the cops...why?

You burned your bridge with me a long time ago. We may even be on the same side (I still have my doubts). But no way I help you with your victory condition. You have done nothing in your interactions with me for me to want to do help you.

If LSG wants to send the gem to you, that's her choice. As for why her, well, two reasons. First, I figured she was probably a detective, and if there was any evidence related to the gem, she might be able to use it. Second, I like to give jewelry to women--I figured she would appreciate it more than anyone left. :)

Chief Rum

03-07-2007, 12:02 PM

So your saying post tyriths death(or even kidnapping), no crime has been reported?

I don't know for sure. But I know we haven't gotten a lot (maybe even any) since he died. And I was pickpocketed, and I did report it. So at least one crime has apparently "disappeared".

Narcizo

03-07-2007, 12:23 PM

I don't really understand this "finding objects" business. How do you find an object and is there any reason the sports better should be able to find an item while I can't?

Chief Rum

03-07-2007, 12:25 PM

I don't really understand this "finding objects" business. How do you find an object and is there any reason the sports better should be able to find an item while I can't?

It's more like "happened upon it". From what I can tell, it was purely the luck of the draw. Anyone could have found it. And I was the one. And then I found something else. I know the odds are against it. I even asked Alan about it myself, wondering if I had some ability I wasn't aware of, but that's not the case. It just happened to be me two separate times.

SnDvls

03-07-2007, 12:26 PM

UNVOTE CHIEF RUM

I now know why he passed me what he did after my reveal yesterday.

Chief Rum

03-07-2007, 12:27 PM

I work both jobs today, so I have to go.

I have placed a judge vote for JE.

I am voting for Blade for the lynch.

VOTE BLADE

Quite frankly, I don't trust him in this game as far as I can throw him, and I have stated the reasons a number of times. I don't imagine this vote will come as a shock to anyone.

Good luck, everyone.

SnDvls

03-07-2007, 12:32 PM

Narcizo

03-07-2007, 12:39 PM

Also, he wasn't in the system at all.... but the PM was curious as to maybe he wasn't in there cuz nobody has thought to fingerprint him yet.

I'm sorry, but this is clearing him? And the fact that I've been a huge part in getting BK, and very instrumental in finding information on bsak and DT isn't enough for you? You'd rather lynch me and let him walk rather then search me tomorrow and possibly found out whether I'm good or bad, if necessary. When you've got all you can on him - and it hasn't actually cleared him at all.

Narcizo

03-07-2007, 12:47 PM

vote narcizo

If I know Chief is good based on what he's said and done and what he passed me yesterday. And I'd say LSG is the last detective as almost everyone here knew or had figured out or narrowed down to her or path and most know path's role too. So I'd say I'm 90% convinced LSG is still on the side of good.

According to LSG - I'm guessing that path is also a detective.

I'm happy to die to tonight if it would teach you anything. It won't. I'd rather be checked tomorrow and shown to be clean. Chief isn't good. He's neutral. Despite what he's saying he's only here to make money and that's been reflected in the fact that he's really not bothered himself overly with analysing stuff, apart from when he suddenly finds himself in the firing line. I've been trying to find the bad guys all game long. I've got limited ability from my role so I've been doing it by reading stuff. I guess it's because I'm a noobie but I thought that might count for something.

Narcizo

03-07-2007, 12:51 PM

King - picked up his warrant and found him clean

I'm sorry LSG but following his arrest warrant showed you that he was clean? Or am I missing a search warrant that was out on him?

Narcizo

03-07-2007, 12:53 PM

If I know Chief is good based on what he's said and done and what he passed me yesterday.

So what did he pass to you? I hope you don't mind me asking as it seems to be causing you to overlook the many doubts about Chief and pick me because I'm not cleared.

LoneStarGirl

03-07-2007, 01:08 PM

I don't really understand this "finding objects" business. How do you find an object and is there any reason the sports better should be able to find an item while I can't?

Well if it helps I found 400 dollars the other day. So finding stuff does happen.

And as far as trusting Cheif has to go, I trust him more now that I did the search than I did yesterday. The search cleared him, but at the same time the pm implied it was possible that Chief just hasn't gotten caught for his crimes yet, which makes me worry a little.

LoneStarGirl

03-07-2007, 01:09 PM

I'm sorry LSG but following his arrest warrant showed you that he was clean? Or am I missing a search warrant that was out on him?

when you do an arrest you automatically go through the system to search them too...

path12

03-07-2007, 01:11 PM

I wonder if your major victory condition changes when you change roles though.

Yes, it does.

Abe Sargent

03-07-2007, 01:15 PM

And as far as trusting Cheif has to go, I trust him more now that I did the search than I did yesterday.

Okay King, time to do some talking.

path12

03-07-2007, 01:15 PM

Then what have you discovered? I realise that if you believe that you're going to get lynched then you have no reason to tell us, but maybe it will protect you from a lynch. I admit it, you've piqued my interest. I'd like the detective to check out Chief Rum if the search warrant hasn't expired yet.

Incidentally, everyone, I guess there's no point counting our chickens yet and after yesterday's missed vote we should vote for a judge. I trust LSG but I don't feel comfortable making anyone Judge Dredd so I'd currently vote to make Jonathon judge.

Jonathan and Anxiety are vulnerable as judges. Anyone else is OK.

path12

03-07-2007, 01:23 PM

BTW, I'm going to be gone more than normal today. My car died on the freeway, and after getting it towed to the mechanic I'm gonna have to try and find a bus there later to pick it up.......so I'll probably have to get a vote in early afternoon.

LoneStarGirl

03-07-2007, 01:36 PM

yuck path, good luck with that

LoneStarGirl

03-07-2007, 01:37 PM

also, i just got a correction...

When i processed cheif through the system I did get a hit as he was the person who filed about a pick pocket.

kingfc22

03-07-2007, 01:47 PM

See? This is not a defense. It's essentially, "Oh no!"

What do you want me to say. I have an independent role in this game. I could care less who is mafia and who is not. However, I have a strong voting record that has helped out the city.

I only have one goal in this game and that is to accumulate a crazy amount of money by playing card games.

kingfc22

03-07-2007, 01:52 PM

I only have one goal in this game and that is to accumulate a crazy amount of money by playing card games.

And I can't accomplish this while in jail.

Narcizo

03-07-2007, 01:54 PM

Well if it helps I found 400 dollars the other day. So finding stuff does happen.

And as far as trusting Cheif has to go, I trust him more now that I did the search than I did yesterday. The search cleared him, but at the same time the pm implied it was possible that Chief just hasn't gotten caught for his crimes yet, which makes me worry a little.

I don't know how far to push this then, because I'm starting to have my doubts about Chief being guilty as well but it seems that you can't clear him 100% (barring whatever information SnDvls has received from the object he was sent). I know that I can be cleared tomorrow with a search warrant.

"All" I have in my own defence is my actions with corroborating evidence that I am who I say I am.

Blade6119

03-07-2007, 01:57 PM

Sndvls was also the person bsak said bought guns, gloves, and all the other fun stuff....so i dont take his claims too greatly...We have more roles that should be out there then players left, so i have to start backtracking and re-assesing...

Quite frankly, im still not sure chief isnt the best target considering what lsg learned

Blade6119

03-07-2007, 02:07 PM

Correct me if im wrong, but we have 1 person left that has yet to claim a role, but we still have another detective(per LSG) and i have to assume a Bodyguard outstanding...am i wrong, or is someone somewhere lying

Narcizo

03-07-2007, 02:24 PM

I can think of an explanation for that that fits the information we've been given.

Narcizo

03-07-2007, 02:32 PM

I think it's time for a independent and evil count. This is assuming that the baddies only had one conversion attempt, which they tried (and failed) to use on Anxiety.

Players who started as independent or as mob; St Cronin, DaddyTorgo, Barkeep, Bsak, Marathoner, ImTheCrew, King, Chief, Path (I believe this is what LSG has said).

Isn't it fair to presume that the good guys would start with a majority? If nothing else then to ensure we have a decent shot at getting a judge at the start, as 5 of the neutrals had overtly criminal roles. So either there were actually 10 neutral and evil roles at the start or either Chief or King has to be the remaining mob member.

Narcizo

03-07-2007, 02:37 PM

Jonathan and Anxiety are vulnerable as judges. Anyone else is OK.

OK then Jonathon isn't a good idea. In the interests ensuring a safe judge I will vote for LSG to become Judge Dredd. (Possibly a British comic assocation you all won't get). We have two known votes for Jonathan so I'd suggest everyone else ensures that they vote for LSG, and if possible Jonathon should switch his vote as well to make sure we get a judge tomorrow.

Abe Sargent

03-07-2007, 02:42 PM

What do you want me to say. I have an independent role in this game. I could care less who is mafia and who is not. However, I have a strong voting record that has helped out the city.

I only have one goal in this game and that is to accumulate a crazy amount of money by playing card games.

I guess I just don;t understand this. If I'm a wolf, I do everyhting I can to lay out facts that are verifiable that I have contributed. If I am a villager I do the same. This just looks like lethargy to me. Last wolf? Or just a villager tired of the game?

Abe Sargent

03-07-2007, 02:43 PM

OK then Jonathon isn't a good idea. In the interests ensuring a safe judge I will vote for LSG to become Judge Dredd. (Possibly a British comic assocation you all won't get). We have two known votes for Jonathan so I'd suggest everyone else ensures that they vote for LSG, and if possible Jonathon should switch his vote as well to make sure we get a judge tomorrow.

Since it was an American movie, we get it. Now, if you had used, say, Judge Anderson with her psi-cop blond once dead but raised hotness, that'd have been different. Or any generic Brit City Judge.

Narcizo

03-07-2007, 02:47 PM

Narcizo seems to want everyone to give a defense and I have yet to hear anything from Narcizo about his own defense. He just assumes that we all should follow his lead and believe that he is totally trustworthy.

He's the banker so I'd assume he'd want as many people as possible to put money in there. It could gain interest. And who do we know has most of the money? Yea you guessed it, so why would he want to tick off the people that have the most money when one of his goals could involve the amount of money invested in his bank? He'd want to be in close ties with them to gain their trust.

Please consider this when reaching a lynch vote tonight. I hate that I'm not going to be around to defend myself. If nothing else then I think this gives me the right to the benefit of the doubt until I can be searched tomorrow.

Narcizo

03-07-2007, 02:48 PM

Since it was an American movie, we get it. Now, if you had used, say, Judge Anderson with her psi-cop blond once dead but raised hotness, that'd have been different. Or any generic Brit City Judge.

But, but, but that means most people will associate him with Sylvester Stallone. :(

Narcizo

03-07-2007, 02:53 PM

Well didnt bsak try to kill king in this lyng? Doesnt that speak well of king?
Chief already had 2 votes and would have been a much easier vote, but he went out of his way to target king

So why didn't Bsak lay his vote on Chief to try and save himself?

Narcizo

03-07-2007, 03:06 PM

There's also the business of Chief verifying the Message Board Post that claimed to verify that Bsak was clean.

Still, I'm not very happy with my Chief Rum vote but I haven't been able to find or been presented with a candidate I like more. I'm not going to waste a vote on King. There's clearly a bunch of stuff going on that hasn't been shared - like what SnDvls is referring to. I think we lose the least by lynching Chief. It's really the same logic as was applied with the Marathoner vote and the Barkeep vote (which I had a big part in engineering yadda yadda). There's circumstantial evidence pointing at Chief and there's nothing been put on the table that I can currently accept as clearing him. If in doubt vote for someone who really hasn't done anything to help the good cause until his hand was forced.

That's me for tonight. Hope we have the win by the time I'm here tomorrow.

Blade6119

03-07-2007, 04:37 PM

So why didn't Bsak lay his vote on Chief to try and save himself?

Thats exactly was i was asking..they both went after a third party instead of each other

Blade6119

03-07-2007, 04:39 PM

I still have yet to hear back about my day action on chief or my job application

LoneStarGirl

03-07-2007, 05:08 PM

and path is here.... what do you have to say path?

Blade6119

03-07-2007, 05:09 PM

LSG, is it possible for you to send me that rare gem? I can try and pay you if you need it. If its just going to sit in evidence, id like it if possible

path12

03-07-2007, 05:10 PM

I'd really like to verify the DT claim about Blade.

path12

03-07-2007, 05:11 PM

I'm also wondering if the good doctor might have been turned. Chief and King just aren't coming off as bad to me right now.

path12

03-07-2007, 05:19 PM

I've got to vote since I've got to run now.

VOTE SNDVLS

His role isn't listed, he hasn't been verified and he's my most suspicious right now. But someone please check out Blade tomorrow.

And I have voted LSG for judge.

LoneStarGirl

03-07-2007, 05:21 PM

Blade I think the gem is out of my hands now. If I would have opened the package myself, it would have been mine and I would have control over it. But because I put it into evidence I think its untouchable

LoneStarGirl

03-07-2007, 05:22 PM

and I need a vote count because I have 30 minutes before I have class and I voted for Narc and I dont want it to be wasted

unvote narc

LoneStarGirl

03-07-2007, 05:23 PM

and path you are sending me bad vibes right now....

Alan T

03-07-2007, 05:49 PM

The Big City Herald
Edition 29

Guilty!

Guilty was the verdict passed down by Judge Anxiety earlier this afternoon in the case of Big City vs Kingfc22. The prosecution made the stellar case of "Well we don't like you and think you are mafia" while the attorney for defense responded with, "Oh no!" King was sentenced to a life of playing Maximum Football and reportedly has Jbmagic as his cellmate.

Judge approval rating drops?

Many in Big CIty evidentally do not agree with some of Judge Anxiety's recent rulings as a new grassroots campaign to elect a new judge appears to be sprouting up. Current exit poll data states that one candidate is only one vote away from replacing the current judge.

Abe Sargent

03-07-2007, 05:53 PM

Looks like king was just the card player :(

I voted for LSG for judge, btw

path12

03-07-2007, 07:00 PM

and path you are sending me bad vibes right now....

How come?

Alan T

03-07-2007, 07:22 PM

Just a heads up, I should be able to post deadline right on time, but I just got paged on an issue for work that might preoccupy me a little bit too. If its a little late, please don't shoot me! (That includes you LSG!) :)

I know.. on call for work, and being at the hospital all week.. great combination!

Abe Sargent

03-07-2007, 07:32 PM

I guess I vote CR. I don;t feel good about it. But I'll follow the group. If he turns out bad, don't give me any credit.

Vote CR

LoneStarGirl

03-07-2007, 07:56 PM

I forgot I unvoted Narc so I jumped out of class to vote

cheif rum

I think my pm left too many holes out there.... I would rather double check.

And anxiety, I wish you would have left king alone

Alan T

03-07-2007, 08:01 PM

deadline

Alan T

03-07-2007, 08:02 PM

Current Judge: Anxiety

In Jail: None

Warrants:

Search Warrant - Blade
Arrest Warrant - Chief Rum

Injuries: None

Job Openings: None

Pawn Shop items for sell: None

Alan T

03-07-2007, 08:09 PM

The Big City Herald
Edition 30

Mayhem!

The Herald is currently trying to understand what exactly just happened only minutes ago. Once again for the eight straight day, a large group of people formed and started angrily shouting out names of people they wanted to go after. Today it all seemed almost certain that the target would go after one man when right before the mob set out to lynch him, one man stood out in front of the crowd and managed to halt their progress.

Through whatever charismatic voice the stranger had, he was able to turn the group of angry people away from their target. After that mayhem set loose and people started fighting each other. Bottles, rocks, stones all were thrown about. When the police finally took control of the situation, there was one confirmed death and many injuries. Hopefully we'll know more in the morning edition of the herald to report to you.

Judge vote fails second straight day

For the second straight day in what seemed to be a large consensus for a new judge, the vote ran out of steam just before the finish line. Judge Anxiety remains Big CIty's judge as the closest competition finished only one vote short of victory.

Lonestargirl - 4
Jonathan E - 2

Special report

The Herald's special report tonight is regarding the closing of the Big City bank. In what seems like a shock to most people, the bank suddenly announced this evening that they will be closing their doors for good. All prior customers of the bank have received their accounts in full paid back to them. When asked for a reason why the successful bank was closing, their response was lack of upper management leadership.

Poli

03-07-2007, 08:17 PM

I kinda wish I had played in this game. This is my fourth post here I think. :)

Abe Sargent

03-07-2007, 08:31 PM

Okay, something bizarre just happened.

I issued a search warrant for SnDvls. I figured I should get the warrant out there for the day.

Then, the search warrant was mysteriously lost.

And that counts for my warrant for the day.

I have no interpretation given to me in my pm, but my personal interpretation is that SnDvls or the mafia somehow influenced the court system.

Vote SnDvls

Blade6119

03-07-2007, 09:05 PM

The mafia tried to convert me, then when i refused they tried to kill me...i escaped before they could shoot me.

Blade6119

03-07-2007, 09:06 PM

2 things...why was narc killed instead of chief?

And why did anxiety ignore the wishes of lsg, myself, and others and kill king...i just dont get it.

Blade6119

03-07-2007, 09:06 PM

And i did not get the pawn shop owner job, but its no longer listed..so someone else took it

Blade6119

03-07-2007, 09:13 PM

LSG, i reported my encounter and subsequent attack on myself..i hope you report it, they gave me a phone number at which i could contact them. You should be able to trace it.

Anxiety, not only do you ignore the requests of multiple players saying he was good, now your saying you have lost your warrants? Not looking good for you mate...chief is a dead man tomorrow, but your jockying for a spot the day after him

Blade6119

03-07-2007, 09:14 PM

VOTE CHIEF RUM

he had a silver ring, but the fact i was to be killed when scanning him, then he gets duke saved to kill a villager is just too much.

Blade6119

03-07-2007, 09:17 PM

LSG, the phone number i got was a drug store pay phone...negative on the investigation...and im apparently still getting a pawn shop e-mail, so i might have gotten it after all

Blade6119

03-07-2007, 09:22 PM

I was offered the pawn shop manager, and have now accepted...ill let you know soon enough what that nets me

LoneStarGirl

03-07-2007, 09:32 PM

i haven't gotten any pms at all.

Also, I only got four votes?
Blade, me, anxiety and path.... nobody else voted for me? I thought we had 6 people claim to..

I am afraid there are 2 bad guys out there now, and if they kill me tonight and the other detective doesn't make himself known, I would be mighty suspicious.

LoneStarGirl

03-07-2007, 09:33 PM

i want to put in a night action right now but i am afraid that it wont come back till 9 in the morning and ill be dead by then

path12

03-07-2007, 09:35 PM

LoneStarGirl

03-07-2007, 09:36 PM

yes...and it has been mentioned by a couple of other people previously

LoneStarGirl

03-07-2007, 09:36 PM

and it really bothers me that this person hasn't talked about any of the information he has found out... which makes me believe he might have been converted

LoneStarGirl

03-07-2007, 09:37 PM

what do you think about that scenario path?

LoneStarGirl

03-07-2007, 09:37 PM

blade, i see you on.....

it looks like cheif is going to die tomorrow

should i look after sndvls now?

Blade6119

03-07-2007, 09:39 PM

i would...alan seems to indicate you wont learn anything if you investigate their attempt to convert/kill me, so sndvls is a logical choice if king is to die.

path12

03-07-2007, 09:39 PM

what do you think about that scenario path?

Well it looks like I was the only person who didn't realize who you were talking about, and I guess that's why I was giving you weird vibes with my vote. I don't trust him at all.

Blade6119

03-07-2007, 09:40 PM

So who wants to buy any of this? I need to make some money, and im happy to make some deals:
1 Gun
12x Bullets
Bulletproof armor
Bandages
Knife
Police Scanner
Nightvision goggles

I need to make a total of 2k for my new personal goal, just as a heads up. Anyone interested in any of these items?

path12

03-07-2007, 09:40 PM

Blade, no hint as to who tried to convert you? How did the situation go down?

LoneStarGirl

03-07-2007, 09:41 PM

give me the gun
now
and i will give you your gem

LoneStarGirl

03-07-2007, 09:41 PM

and bullets

i need protection from myself

LoneStarGirl

03-07-2007, 09:41 PM

and path, why haven't you admitted your job title yet?

Blade6119

03-07-2007, 09:42 PM

I no longer need the gem lsg, i just need cash now

Alan T

03-07-2007, 09:42 PM

i need protection from myself

Maybe hoops wasn't the only mental patient... :eek:

path12

03-07-2007, 09:42 PM

and path, why haven't you admitted your job title yet?

Because I can't. I am expressly prohibited from saying what I do.

path12

03-07-2007, 09:43 PM

I can help keep LSG safe. We should not vote her judge then.

LoneStarGirl

03-07-2007, 09:44 PM

why not vote me judge? and it looks like a couple of people who say they want to vote me, dont.

how much money do you want for the bullets and gun blade? I think i have one grand left

path12

03-07-2007, 09:45 PM

why not vote me judge? and it looks like a couple of people who say they want to vote me, dont.

how much money do you want for the bullets and gun blade? I think i have one grand left

Let's put it this way. I can help you today or I can help you once you're voted judge. I can't help you both times.

LoneStarGirl

03-07-2007, 09:45 PM

i sent my day action in for sndvls

and blade, do you know who i think is the other detective?

Blade6119

03-07-2007, 09:46 PM

Blade, no hint as to who tried to convert you? How did the situation go down?

On my way home i was pulled into a side alley by a strong muscular man. There were 3 people there, and they asked me to do some jobs for the boss. They gave me a # to call, and told me to call if i was interested...stupid as i am, i laughed and insulted them so one pulled a gun on me. I ran for my life, and got home safely. I have no idea as to the identities of the people, and strongly doubt we have 4 mafia left(3 there and a boss they referred to). It is possible we still have 3 left though(with the boss being the one who did all the talking), and are at endgame now. If there are 3, id say chief sndvls and anxiety...

Thats how it went down

LoneStarGirl

03-07-2007, 09:47 PM

And I know there has to be another detective out there because 2 days ago i tried to pick up a warrant and was told it was picked up by another detective.
and that detective never came out to reveal what he found... which bothered me

LoneStarGirl

03-07-2007, 09:47 PM

there better not be 3.

with anxiety killing off king I have to say he is DEFINITLY a bad guy

LoneStarGirl

03-07-2007, 09:48 PM

i am putting in a vote for myself now

and path, if blade ever sends me over that gun I wont need you to protect me tonight

Blade6119

03-07-2007, 09:48 PM

Was two days ago the day lathum died? If so, couldnt he have picked one up as he died?

Blade6119

03-07-2007, 09:50 PM

LSG, i have to make 2k off those goods...

What would it take to pry that 1k off you? Gun, bullets, and something else?

LoneStarGirl

03-07-2007, 09:51 PM

also , i just got results back and sure enough, SNDVLS is clean as a whistle.

But then i went back and checked my pms and I forgot that I investigated Hoops death, and the person that killed hoops also killed tyrth and had no fingerprints in the system.

Out of the people i have looked at, path sndvls and je have had no prints in the system

LoneStarGirl

03-07-2007, 09:52 PM

blade i will give you 1k for the gun, bullets and bullet proof armor

what do you think

Blade6119

03-07-2007, 09:53 PM

Remember, bsak sold fingerprint preventers...and since he was mafia, im sure he hooked his buddies up.

LoneStarGirl

03-07-2007, 09:53 PM

path.... why can you not tell your job title? Is it part of your victory conditions?

Blade6119

03-07-2007, 09:54 PM

blade i will give you 1k for the gun, bullets and bullet proof armor

what do you think

Fine by me, let me figure out how we go about this sale

LoneStarGirl

03-07-2007, 09:54 PM

good point blade.

I think i am going to stay away from checking the police system anymore. It has proved useless. I am only going to execute warrants. Which is what i advice the OTHER detective to do too.

LoneStarGirl

03-07-2007, 09:54 PM

i tell anxiety to send you 1k and you tell him to send me the bullets, gun and armor

LoneStarGirl

03-07-2007, 09:55 PM

and why did cheif rum not die tonight? Did we not have enough votes or what?

LoneStarGirl

03-07-2007, 09:56 PM

oh shit, i reread the newspaper again, somebody did die...

if i would have seen that i probably would have investigated that crime scene instead of sndvls

LoneStarGirl

03-07-2007, 09:56 PM

its not me blade or path but JE Was on and didn't post....

path12

03-07-2007, 09:57 PM

path.... why can you not tell your job title? Is it part of your victory conditions?

No, it was a requirement of taking the job. I think I've pretty well been able to convey it to you without spelling it out.

LoneStarGirl

03-07-2007, 09:58 PM

but path, what i learned about you when i looked you up in the system said you had a totally different job than the one you are implying

path12

03-07-2007, 09:59 PM

Idol is on. Gotta go. I can't believe how much I like that show, I don't really listen to much besides indy these days and I can never imagine getting anything that the winner puts out, but what can you do........?

Blade6119

03-07-2007, 09:59 PM

LSG, narc died..thats why the bank closed

LoneStarGirl

03-07-2007, 10:00 PM

shit, so you cant get my money?

LoneStarGirl

03-07-2007, 10:00 PM

shit, so you cant get my money?

Blade6119

03-07-2007, 10:04 PM

I can...send a PM to alan requesting to buy these items at these prices...ive already set it up:

Gun $600
Bullets $200
Bullet Proof Vest $200

Abe Sargent

03-07-2007, 10:06 PM

Abe Sargent

03-07-2007, 10:10 PM

On my way home i was pulled into a side alley by a strong muscular man. There were 3 people there, and they asked me to do some jobs for the boss. They gave me a # to call, and told me to call if i was interested...stupid as i am, i laughed and insulted them so one pulled a gun on me. I ran for my life, and got home safely. I have no idea as to the identities of the people, and strongly doubt we have 4 mafia left(3 there and a boss they referred to). It is possible we still have 3 left though(with the boss being the one who did all the talking), and are at endgame now. If there are 3, id say chief sndvls and anxiety...

Thats how it went down

Okay, now I totally beleive Blade. I left some details out in my own failed conversion, and he is metnioning them now. As such, I beleive Blade is cleared to my mind. I may not like it, but its there.

Abe Sargent

03-07-2007, 10:13 PM

I can...send a PM to alan requesting to buy these items at these prices...ive already set it up:

Gun $600
Bullets $200
Bullet Proof Vest $200

Blade, if you can get more guns or vests, let me know, I'd like a defense upgrade in case someone tries to off me today.

Blade6119

03-07-2007, 10:38 PM

Ill see if i get more supplies, i listed everything i have right now

path12

03-07-2007, 11:07 PM

but path, what i learned about you when i looked you up in the system said you had a totally different job than the one you are implying

Post #1716.

kingfc22

03-08-2007, 12:22 AM

Anybody for a game of gin?

Narcizo

03-08-2007, 12:35 AM

Thanks for having me, it's been fun. Hope you get the baddy.

Chief Rum

03-08-2007, 05:50 AM

Okay, lot's to respond to.

First off, I said that lynching me would do you no good. No one listened, though, and now Narc is dead. That sucks, because I thought he was one of our more helpful good players.

Second, I hinted earlier that I knew of a mafia action last night while kingfc was in jail, meaning he certainly couldn't have been mafia. Unfortunately, that was missed as well. That mafia action was an attempt to convert me. The encounter was similar to Anxiety's and Blade's except it involved two beefy men coming up to me at a basketball game I bet on. They told me the "boss" wanted to recruit me to the mob, and gave me a number to call. And one of the goons ate my hot dog, the bastard. I got no clues who they were, but my impression was that these were nameless thugs who are not players in the game, but just part of the narrative. I still think there is only one mafia left, although clearly many conversion attempts can be made.

In turning down the mafia, it changed me from neutral to good and changed my goals. I was in fact good this morning when I was searched by LSG and when I sent away the package to SnDvls and (attempted) to LSG.

My encounter with Blade didn't seem to be particularly pleasant. Not sure why he links it, though, to his visit with the mob. As with others with rings, I had no clue what sort of ring I had. If silver means medium level wealth to start the game, that would seem to fit, as I obviously was a good enough gambler to make a living at it. I started with $500, but my money has gone up and done like a rollercoaster with the daily bets.

I voted for JE for judge and said I did at the time. If there had been a consensus to put LSG in that spot, I missed it. I certainly would have voted for LSG to make sure we keep the judge position turning things over.

You all still seem intent on killing me, despite the fact that several of you have expressed doubts that I am mafia, and everything I have been saying before (like the pickpocket report or SnDvls' response to what I sent him) is coming up in my favor. I still have not lied in this game, not once.

If you go down this path, you will only hurt our side further.

Jonathan Ezarik

03-08-2007, 08:04 AM

A couple things that are really bothering me right now.

give me the gun
now
and i will give you your gem

You would take something out of evidence for a personal gain? I understand you want the gun for protection, but removing a piece of evidence sounds like something a corrupt cop/judge would do.

how much money do you want for the bullets and gun blade? I think i have one grand left

I always thought police officers were not paid very well. How is it that you started the game with the same amount of money that I (the doctor) did?

Jonathan Ezarik

03-08-2007, 08:08 AM

Okay, now I totally beleive Blade. I left some details out in my own failed conversion, and he is metnioning them now. As such, I beleive Blade is cleared to my mind. I may not like it, but its there.

Just to play devil's advocate here, if Blade is in the mafia and was the one who tried to convert you, he would know the details of the failed attempt against you.

Jonathan Ezarik

03-08-2007, 08:11 AM

That mafia action was an attempt to convert me.

What time did this conversion attempt occur?

LoneStarGirl

03-08-2007, 08:30 AM

You need to ask alant about the money JE.

I started with 1000, and found 400.

and Blade my internet crashed or something last night, so i couldn't transfer the money to you...

are we still on for the deal?

Jonathan Ezarik

03-08-2007, 08:37 AM

What did you do with that $400 you found?

LoneStarGirl

03-08-2007, 08:56 AM

Spent 100 on the underground and 200 on a game.

Jonathan Ezarik

03-08-2007, 08:58 AM

Where did you find the money? Any idea whose it was?

LoneStarGirl

03-08-2007, 10:01 AM

all i know is alant pm'ed me and said you are the lucky person of the day, you found 400 dollars

Abe Sargent

03-08-2007, 10:09 AM

I can verify lucky-ness. I was lucky once, but I wasn;t tha t lucky. I found 200 and I submitted a police report about it. Never saw the police report in here though. That was yesterday.

SnDvls

03-08-2007, 01:38 PM

LSG I have passed you the same item CR passed me yesterday please check it out you may find it useful. I couldn't pass it yesterday as I had to be sure you were good. I would say that someone with lots of power is bad and that is not good for us.

Chief Rum

03-08-2007, 01:55 PM

Just to play devil's advocate here, if Blade is in the mafia and was the one who tried to convert you, he would know the details of the failed attempt against you.

Yes, I was mulling that over, too, and I am not sure about that. I don't know what sort of message the mafia get about these encounters, but it would be a word for word same description? I think it would be more likely that the targets would get the colorful descriptions why the mafia would simply get "Your message was delivered and turned down" or something like that.

Not saying I know for sure that that's the case here, but that's the way I have seen it done in past WW games. Alan's his own GM, though--don't know if he did the same.

LoneStarGirl

03-08-2007, 02:00 PM

Chief Rum

03-08-2007, 02:02 PM

What time did this conversion attempt occur?

I received the PM about the approach at 6:28 p.m. Tuesday night, about a half hour after the deadline for that day and after it had already been announced kingfc was in jail. It was one day before Blade's conversion attempt and after Anxiety's attempt. Strangely, their incidents involved violence, with a kidnapping attempt for Anxiety and a shouting match for Blade. Not sure why in mine I only lost a hotdog. Might be because I was neutral, so the mafia was less certain I would refuse. Alsi, I wasn't right there to refuse (I was at work) and responded sometime later that night.

SnDvls

03-08-2007, 02:06 PM

okay... now I am confused.

Once I got the item from SNDVLS I automatically thought SNDVLS was good, because who would give me this item???

But then I thought why would Cheif send this to sndvls?

But blade the good news is, I now have a gun

I would guess that this is one of the "items" chief was hinting at finding and he said he passed it to me. My second guess is that the mafia either had a second gun or bought another and this one was DT's. I sent it to you for two reasons...you said you needed/wanted a gun and to check it against any of the crimes that have happened.

Chief Rum

03-08-2007, 02:07 PM

okay... now I am confused.

Once I got the item from SNDVLS I automatically thought SNDVLS was good, because who would give me this item???

But then I thought why would Cheif send this to sndvls?

But blade the good news is, I now have a gun

I sent it to to SnDvls because he said he was the investigative reporter. I thought sending both items to one person would be risking too much. I thought you were good, LSG, but I wasn't 100% sure. So I sent the two items to two people with investigative abilities that I felt decently good about. After the search and the details you came out with, I am certain you are good, and I don't have any issues with you now having the gun. My only hope is that now you can investigate it or examine it in some way. I found it just after the deadline on the night hoopsguy was shot and Tyrith was murdered. My thought was that that was the gun that was used in either or both of those murders. My suspicion is that it was DaddyTorgo's gun (he was lynched that night).

But I thought it could have been any mafia member's gun...potentially with fingerprints, if you know what I mean.

Chief Rum

03-08-2007, 02:08 PM

I would guess that this is one of the "items" chief was hinting at finding and he said he passed it to me. My second guess is that the mafia either had a second gun or bought another and this one was DT's. I sent it to you for two reasons...you said you needed/wanted a gun and to check it against any of the crimes that have happened.

Nice, you and I had the same conclusion (and wrote it at the same time).

Chief Rum

03-08-2007, 02:10 PM

I can verify lucky-ness. I was lucky once, but I wasn;t tha t lucky. I found 200 and I submitted a police report about it. Never saw the police report in here though. That was yesterday.

Luckyness verified times two. That was the exact way I received my messages on the days I found the gun and then the gem.

Chief Rum

03-08-2007, 02:11 PM

Luckyness verified times two. That was the exact way I received my messages on the days I found the gun and then the gem.

Speaking of which, I actually hinted at the "lucky" message when I originally received it in the hopes someone else who had received it would recognize what I was talking about. I don't think anyone picked up on it, though.

SnDvls

03-08-2007, 02:12 PM

Nice, you and I had the same conclusion (and wrote it at the same time).

I saw that

I have 100% trust in LSG and Chief right now

Jonathan Ezarik

03-08-2007, 02:23 PM

Yes, I was mulling that over, too, and I am not sure about that. I don't know what sort of message the mafia get about these encounters, but it would be a word for word same description? I think it would be more likely that the targets would get the colorful descriptions why the mafia would simply get "Your message was delivered and turned down" or something like that.

Not saying I know for sure that that's the case here, but that's the way I have seen it done in past WW games. Alan's his own GM, though--don't know if he did the same.

I know when I visited Hoopsguy in the hospital I received the same PM he did, so I wouldn't be surprised if the mafia got the same PM you received.

Abe Sargent

03-08-2007, 02:24 PM

Blade, since LSG now has a gun, I'd like to buy yours. Price?

Jonathan Ezarik

03-08-2007, 02:30 PM

I saw that

I have 100% trust in LSG and Chief right now

I guess I'm the only one that doesn't trust LoneStarGirl. I've felt since the beginning of the game that the mafia had someone inside the police force and she's not coming across as a straight arrow cop.

1) she started the game with the same amount of money as me (the doctor)
2) she found $400 and doesn't appear to have any qualms with spending that money or finding out whose money it is
3) she gambled (something that is illegal) some of that money away
4) she was willing to give Blade a piece of evidence for a gun

I know this is going to put a huge target on my chest since almost everyone questions my loyalty anyway, but something about her doesn't feel right to me.

VOTE LONESTARGIRL

SnDvls

03-08-2007, 02:35 PM

Chief Rum

03-08-2007, 02:40 PM

I guess I'm the only one that doesn't trust LoneStarGirl. I've felt since the beginning of the game that the mafia had someone inside the police force and she's not coming across as a straight arrow cop.

1) she started the game with the same amount of money as me (the doctor)
2) she found $400 and doesn't appear to have any qualms with spending that money or finding out whose money it is
3) she gambled (something that is illegal) some of that money away
4) she was willing to give Blade a piece of evidence for a gun

I know this is going to put a huge target on my chest since almost everyone questions my loyalty anyway, but something about her doesn't feel right to me.

VOTE LONESTARGIRL

As you suspected, JE, this is a move I find very suspicious. There are just too many stretches here.

1. We have no idea what mechanic Alan used to determine the actual numbers for startup money. We only know that the mafia boss had a lot of it (and a lot more than 1000 it would appear). I know that Lathum, another detective, said he had at least 500, if I recall, and maybe more.

2. Not sure why LSG should have any qualms about spending money she found. Who would do different? What would she do witht he money that would help good? Is there a choice she didn't take that I am missing here?

3. We don't know that gambling is illegal in Big City. If it was, I would think I would have been arrested and thrown away a while ago.

4. I missed that. My understanding was that she was willing to buy items from Blade. She had no choice on the gem--once she put it into evidence, it was out of her hands. I don't recall her suggesting she would have used it to acquire anything from Blade, just responded to his inquiry about receiving the gem.

Chief Rum

03-08-2007, 02:43 PM

SnDvls

03-08-2007, 02:48 PM

path, just to confirm are you the bodyguard? I would really like to know more about your role and what has been happening with it. I haven't felt you have done anything bad, and have felt you are good, but I don't actually know anything. Does anyone here know anything about path, his role and his actions?

I got that he was the bodyguard as well.

SnDvls

03-08-2007, 02:49 PM

dola - from his hints and the protection talk yesterday and today

Chief Rum

03-08-2007, 02:57 PM

Here is my trust list.

CR-- 100% (of course)
LSG, SnDvls-- Very solid.
path-- Solid
Anxiety-- Decent. I felt his decision on king was curious, but he has said things that ring true with me (luckyness, conversion attempt), and he hasn't made any obvious mafia moves.
JE-- I felt decent about JE, but his recent move against LSG downgrades him. I don't think he has been bad all game, but he could be now.
Blade-- the more everyone else looks solid, the more Blade's "talk crap on everyone" act without actually helping is looking worse. I think my earlier theory on Blade (converted) still holfd, and he hasn't helped us hardly at all since the DT lynch, except muddy up the waters.

LSG, SnDvls, if we do feel some good trust for one another, this would be a good time to put it to use. If we ensure we all vote the same way, we only need path or Anxiety to vote with us to ensure the lynch mob would go the direction we feel it should.

I would be fine with either a JE or Blade vote. What think you all?

SnDvls

03-08-2007, 03:02 PM

I'm game for whatever if LSG gets on board too

LoneStarGirl

03-08-2007, 03:07 PM

I totally trust sndvls for sending me the gun and Cheif now....

And since jonathan doesn't trust me, why should i trust him?

And i would not give anxiety the gun no matter what blade

Jonathan Ezarik

03-08-2007, 03:09 PM

As you suspected, JE, this is a move I find very suspicious. There are just too many stretches here.

1. We have no idea what mechanic Alan used to determine the actual numbers for startup money. We only know that the mafia boss had a lot of it (and a lot more than 1000 it would appear). I know that Lathum, another detective, said he had at least 500, if I recall, and maybe more.

500 seems about average, which is what I would expect all detectives to make (police officers don't make a lot of money). I don't think the starting income was random. Would it make sense for me to start the game with $200 and Swaggs $1000? No, there's a reason LSG started with that much money.

2. Not sure why LSG should have any qualms about spending money she found. Who would do different? What would she do witht he money that would help good? Is there a choice she didn't take that I am missing here?

She's a detective. Law enforcement. That money belonged to someone else and it is her duty to report the money as found. Blade got pissed when Swaggs found some of his money in the trash, so why is it different for a detective?

3. We don't know that gambling is illegal in Big City. If it was, I would think I would have been arrested and thrown away a while ago.

I don't think you would have been arrested necessarily since there are more important fish in the sea. It is possible that gambling is legal, but if that were the case, why don't you work in a casino? I get the impression that what you do is done in back rooms and under the table. I don't think you're evil, but I don't think what you're doing is legal, either. Which is why it strikes me as odd that LSG bet on a game.

4. I missed that. My understanding was that she was willing to buy items from Blade. She had no choice on the gem--once she put it into evidence, it was out of her hands. I don't recall her suggesting she would have used it to acquire anything from Blade, just responded to his inquiry about receiving the gem.

From last night when she was talking to Blade:

give me the gun
now
and i will give you your gem

LoneStarGirl

03-08-2007, 03:09 PM

and i am still very confused. When i tried to pick up a warrant the other day, it said another detective picked it up. which made me believe it was path since he is a big city government employee. But now he is acting like a body guard and not an employee of the government which bothers me a lot...

Blade6119

03-08-2007, 03:14 PM

Blade, since LSG now has a gun, I'd like to buy yours. Price?

I only had one gun, the one from my shop...i just asked alan if i will be getting more, and will let you know if i do. I only had that 1 though.

As of now, i still have:

Bandages
Knife
Police Scanner
Nightvision goggles

Any interest anyone?

Blade6119

03-08-2007, 03:18 PM

Blade6119

03-08-2007, 03:19 PM

Anxiety, ill sell you the gun for 600..same price lsg paid

Jonathan Ezarik

03-08-2007, 03:19 PM

I only had one gun, the one from my shop...i just asked alan if i will be getting more, and will let you know if i do. I only had that 1 though.

Who bought the gun?

Abe Sargent

03-08-2007, 03:19 PM

I only had one gun, the one from my shop...i just asked alan if i will be getting more, and will let you know if i do. I only had that 1 though.

As of now, i still have:

Bandages
Knife
Police Scanner
Nightvision goggles

Any interest anyone?

So someone bought that gun? We now have two?

path12

03-08-2007, 03:20 PM

Chief Rum

03-08-2007, 03:21 PM

500 seems about average, which is what I would expect all detectives to make (police officers don't make a lot of money). I don't think the starting income was random. Would it make sense for me to start the game with $200 and Swaggs $1000? No, there's a reason LSG started with that much money.

She's a detective. Law enforcement. That money belonged to someone else and it is her duty to report the money as found. Blade got pissed when Swaggs found some of his money in the trash, so why is it different for a detective?

I don't think you would have been arrested necessarily since there are more important fish in the sea. It is possible that gambling is legal, but if that were the case, why don't you work in a casino? I get the impression that what you do is done in back rooms and under the table. I don't think you're evil, but I don't think what you're doing is legal, either. Which is why it strikes me as odd that LSG bet on a game.

From last night when she was talking to Blade:

Hmm, okay, i can buy some of what you're saying. But my impression is that LSG has been playing her detective role like a job with her game actions, but just being herself with other stuff. Maybe a cop wouldn't fail to report finding money or wouldn't gamble, but LSG, as a normal everyday person who is not normally a cop, would, especially as none of it is real.

If she was a bad cop, wouldn't she be causing more havoc right now? She gave specific details about my search that I have confirmed. It matched exactlky with what happened with me. This was with me teetering on the edge. One bad word from her and I would have been steamrolled (actually I was voted anyway and saved by a duke ability out of my control, but the vote wasn't a heartfelt, screw you, Chief, more like a best candidate thing). Point is, she could have said anything, and sent me up the river, and all the while knowing I'm not mafia (if she were mafia, she would know). But she didn't. She said exactly the truth of what happened.

Everything she has said has rung true with me and with what has come out after. I can see what you're saying, but I just don't buy it. It's not enough. It doesn't pass my instincts.

The last one is the most damning, but Blade ahdn't given prices for the items yet. I think LSG's decision she needed some protection outweighed her good sense there.

Blade6119

03-08-2007, 03:21 PM

No, i just assumed lsg had gone through with the deal...apparently she balked when sndvls passed her a gun that apparently chief rum sent him

Chief Rum

03-08-2007, 03:23 PM

As I've repeatedly said, I cannot reveal my role under any circumstances. I started neutral as the jailer. I am now good. My hints will have to suffice.

Sorry, I must have missed that. My impression was more of a "it would be a bad idea for me to reveal" sorta thing, not that you absolutely could not reveal for game mechanics purposes.

Are you saying you are no longer the jailer? And with others the transition from evil to good involved being approached by the mafia. Were you approached?

And what is your read on the remaining players?

Blade6119

03-08-2007, 03:26 PM

Blade-- the more everyone else looks solid, the more Blade's "talk crap on everyone" act without actually helping is looking worse. I think my earlier theory on Blade (converted) still holfd, and he hasn't helped us hardly at all since the DT lynch, except muddy up the waters.

First of all, my role wasnt nuetral so i couldnt have been converted. Secondly, LSG scanned me during the game and i showed up good(not nuetral, not evil).

Thirdly, i was the one during the cronin/dt lynch who said i thought bsak was likely the third evil member due to his swap. I let it go over time though to pursue other targets(read: you). How has attacking you for like 3 days straight throwing crap on everyone...ive stated i trust most of the game, and have said i dont trust you. Sndvls is now heavily linked to you, and as such requires a weary eye as well. If your going to slander, get your facts straight

Blade6119

03-08-2007, 03:28 PM

So now chief is not only attacking me, who has done a hell of a lot more for our team then he has...hes also attacking our detective...great

Chief Rum

03-08-2007, 03:29 PM

Oh, did lsg not buy anything?

I still think we have our final two mafia lined up, in chief and sndvls...lsg, remember what bsak said? He said sndvls, bought all that shit(gun, armor, ammo, fingerprint stopper). We all thought he was just being pissy as he died...but here is sndvls giving you a gun his role should not have.

If you were evil right now, what would you do? What was our major reason for many of our moves in x-men lsg? To earn trust...Sometimes we gave the village info or actions that helped them more then us to earn trust...dont you think thats what their doing now?

By the way chief, bs on the convert story. There is no reason if that happened to you, that you would keep it secret until now(until i revealed the details of how it happens). Total bs

Why would you not know if LSG bought anything. Aren't you the pawn shop owner?

Bsak tried to set up SnDvls. Bsak is confirmed mafia. Why would he do that to another mafia member? If you're on the hook, you go after good guys to save yourself. I don't buy some elaborate clear SnDvls in dying thing from Bsak. SnDvls got the gun from me, as has been made clear.

I talked about the mafia action well before you talked about jack squat. I didn't give specifics because of exactly this--I wanted to see if anyone was having the same sort of experience.

Incidentally, you would have that experience whether you accepted it or turned it down. So just admitting you had the experience is bad for you.

Blade6119

03-08-2007, 03:29 PM

Dola, what has sndvls role given us lately? I remember him telling us one thing, right when he revealed...what has his role done lately to help the side of good?

SnDvls

03-08-2007, 03:32 PM

Dola, what has sndvls role given us lately? I remember him telling us one thing, right when he revealed...what has his role done lately to help the side of good?

you do realize that LSG cleared me again today right?
I've been scanned/searched three times this game or at least claimed by three people.
Once by you, once by Swaggs and now by LSG.
If I was bad wouldn't one of you have found something? Even if you and LSG were bad...swaggs was confirmed good after his death.

SnDvls

03-08-2007, 03:34 PM

dola - you also realize that it was CR 2 king 2 and Bsak 1 when I voted bsak to make it 2 votes for everyone

Blade6119

03-08-2007, 03:34 PM

Why would you not know if LSG bought anything. Aren't you the pawn shop owner?

Bsak tried to set up SnDvls. Bsak is confirmed mafia. Why would he do that to another mafia member? If you're on the hook, you go after good guys to save yourself. I don't buy some elaborate clear SnDvls in dying thing from Bsak. SnDvls got the gun from me, as has been made clear.

I talked about the mafia action well before you talked about jack squat. I didn't give specifics because of exactly this--I wanted to see if anyone was having the same sort of experience.

Incidentally, you would have that experience whether you accepted it or turned it down. So just admitting you had the experience is bad for you.

No, it is a proven tactic that if your mafia and dying to have other mafia be attacking you or attack them. People tend to trust those people(as we did with sndvls). It works every freaking time...

You didnt even mention you were converted...you said you knew about a mafia action...i see no reason you wouldnt say "hey, they tried to convert me." If you were holding onto details to try and clear someone else if they had a similar experience, you are totally ignoring that.

You know what i just realized...and anxiety can confirm this i hope. Only nuetral roles can be converted...thats the mechanism. No good roles have been converted, only nuetral. bsak was a nuetral, as were you. If they tried to convert you, you would turn evil. Since anxiety and i started off good we couldnt be converted...it all makes sense now.

Jonathan Ezarik

03-08-2007, 03:34 PM

If she was a bad cop, wouldn't she be causing more havoc right now? She gave specific details about my search that I have confirmed. It matched exactlky with what happened with me. This was with me teetering on the edge. One bad word from her and I would have been steamrolled (actually I was voted anyway and saved by a duke ability out of my control, but the vote wasn't a heartfelt, screw you, Chief, more like a best candidate thing). Point is, she could have said anything, and sent me up the river, and all the while knowing I'm not mafia (if she were mafia, she would know). But she didn't. She said exactly the truth of what happened.

Remember, she's under the impression that there is another detective out there. She has to at least give the appearance that she's working for good. But let's look at what she said about you yesterday.

Cheif Rum - I went to his house and found a UPS man leaving with a package. But in his house there was a package addressed to me. I took it. I had a choice of opening it and keeping it, or putting it into evidence. I chose to be an upright citizen and put it into evidence. It was a rare gem. I dont know why he would send it to me though... I dont need a gem, Blade does. Also, he wasn't in the system at all.... but the PM was curious as to maybe he wasn't in there cuz nobody has thought to fingerprint him yet.

Now that I think about it, I think maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea to kill Cheif just to see....

And as far as trusting Cheif has to go, I trust him more now that I did the search than I did yesterday. The search cleared him, but at the same time the pm implied it was possible that Chief just hasn't gotten caught for his crimes yet, which makes me worry a little.

I forgot I unvoted Narc so I jumped out of class to vote

cheif rum

I think my pm left too many holes out there.... I would rather double check.

And anxiety, I wish you would have left king alone

So she cleared you and then voted for you. Still sound like a cop on the up and up?

Also, is anyone else bothered by the fact that she's willing to use a gun that was given to her as evidence (and may have been used in a crime) to defend herself?

path12

03-08-2007, 03:34 PM

Sorry, I must have missed that. My impression was more of a "it would be a bad idea for me to reveal" sorta thing, not that you absolutely could not reveal for game mechanics purposes.

Are you saying you are no longer the jailer? And with others the transition from evil to good involved being approached by the mafia. Were you approached?

Post #1716.

And what is your read on the remaining players?

I trust LSG, which is a big change from normally. ;)

I've been neutral on you, but am now leaning good.

I've been leaning good on Anxiety, Blade and JE, but now am having doubts about each. I still think there is a distinct possibility that DT was telling the truth about the Mafia boss role passing on to Blade, and I wish wish wish that he could be checked out. Anxiety's move last night and his eagerness to get a gun now both raise hackles. JE's move against LSG I don't necessarily agree with, but it's a lot easier to imagine him taking a stand like that while being good than putting a target on himself when bad.

I have been distrusting SnDvls because of two reasons: there is no reporter role listed, and he hasn't been cleared by anyone as far as I know. You could say that his passing the item to LSG moves him up the trust list, but I don't know if I buy that yet. Evil is trying to show good right now.

All in all, it's a mess. I think evil has played very well. But there are my thoughts.

Are we voting LSG for judge? (I think I did already but will check). We can put anyone in there except Anxiety and JE.

Blade6119

03-08-2007, 03:34 PM

dola - you also realize that it was CR 2 king 2 and Bsak 1 when I voted bsak to make it 2 votes for everyone

Ya, you put them into a tie that could easily be broken if you needed to...

Chief Rum

03-08-2007, 03:35 PM

First of all, my role wasnt nuetral so i couldnt have been converted. Secondly, LSG scanned me during the game and i showed up good(not nuetral, not evil).

Thirdly, i was the one during the cronin/dt lynch who said i thought bsak was likely the third evil member due to his swap. I let it go over time though to pursue other targets(read: you). How has attacking you for like 3 days straight throwing crap on everyone...ive stated i trust most of the game, and have said i dont trust you. Sndvls is now heavily linked to you, and as such requires a weary eye as well. If your going to slander, get your facts straight

I don't recall it being stated in the roles that good couldn't be converted. Just that neutral could end up with a choice to go either way. LSG cleared you early on, on the very first day IIRC. I believe you were converted after the fact, likely after DT was killed, perhaps even in the same way he himself described before getting lynched.

You have sent out crap about just about everyone. It is something you do so you can point to it later as if you're all good. Look, I can predict each and every team is going to win the World Series, too, right now, and in eight months, I will come back to the post that says "X Team will win the World Series!" Never mind the 29 other wrong predictions. Your "bsak is evil" claim means nothing.

What facts have I missed? Please, tell me. I only see interpretations. While you're looking up "fact" in the dictionary, you might also look up "wary" and "weary".

Blade6119

03-08-2007, 03:37 PM

I don't recall it being stated in the roles that good couldn't be converted. Just that neutral could end up with a choice to go either way. LSG cleared you early on, on the very first day IIRC. I believe you were converted after the fact, likely after DT was killed, perhaps even in the same way he himself described before getting lynched.

Exactly...if you are telling the truth about your encounter with mafia you would know they gave us a choice. All 3 of us had the choice of being evil..thats what the rules talk about

Chief Rum

03-08-2007, 03:37 PM

So now chief is not only attacking me, who has done a hell of a lot more for our team then he has...hes also attacking our detective...great

You have done nothing but confuse things for most of the game now. Bravo.

And re-read my posts. I am standing up for LSG.

path12

03-08-2007, 03:37 PM

You know what i just realized...and anxiety can confirm this i hope. Only nuetral roles can be converted...thats the mechanism. No good roles have been converted, only nuetral. bsak was a nuetral, as were you. If they tried to convert you, you would turn evil. Since anxiety and i started off good we couldnt be converted...it all makes sense now.

I don't know that I buy that at all. What is your reasoning for believing this?

Abe Sargent

03-08-2007, 03:38 PM

And i would not give anxiety the gun no matter what blade

Okay, so you don;t like the king thing, I get that. I totally understand, and vote me out of office, as I am doing as well.

But to think that I;m a mafia? That's just silly. I'm triple cleared (hoops, narc, and lathum), and there was a failed conversion. Why would they try a second conversion when the first failed? And when would they have been able to? We have a solid account of their activity. Convert attempts on CR, Blade, and Bsak, deaths on other days. So when would this mysterious conversion have taken place?

There's a differene between saying you think I made a bad call to thinking that I'm mafia. Even if you disagree with me, I should still have protection, right? I bought bullets a long time ago, we have two guns out here, only one is in use, why not give me, the current judge, the gun?

Blade6119

03-08-2007, 03:38 PM

VOTE CHIEF RUM

Another day, another reason..they just keep piling up(and he wont avoid the lynch today with some power)

Abe Sargent

03-08-2007, 03:39 PM

Blade6119

03-08-2007, 03:40 PM

I don't know that I buy that at all. What is your reasoning for believing this?

Like chief pointed out, the rules state the nuetral roles will have a choice of being good or evil. In all 3 of our evil encounters, they offer us a choice. Anxiety and i both got into fights then and there, while chief didnt. Chief didnt have violence against him when he supposedly refused(i was shot at, and i think anxiety was too...i know he was attacked in some way).

Dont you see...he accepted the offer, or at least decided later on that day. He didnt balk right away

Jonathan Ezarik

03-08-2007, 03:40 PM

We can put anyone in there except Anxiety and JE.

This is two days in a row that you've said this. And while I don't want to be judge (I could only really perform the duties today because of work), what's the reasoning behind this?

Chief Rum

03-08-2007, 03:42 PM

No, it is a proven tactic that if your mafia and dying to have other mafia be attacking you or attack them. People tend to trust those people(as we did with sndvls). It works every freaking time...

You didnt even mention you were converted...you said you knew about a mafia action...i see no reason you wouldnt say "hey, they tried to convert me." If you were holding onto details to try and clear someone else if they had a similar experience, you are totally ignoring that.

You know what i just realized...and anxiety can confirm this i hope. Only nuetral roles can be converted...thats the mechanism. No good roles have been converted, only nuetral. bsak was a nuetral, as were you. If they tried to convert you, you would turn evil. Since anxiety and i started off good we couldnt be converted...it all makes sense now.

I was holding to the details, and it made me feel better about you and Anxiety. I have been rethinkign that with you, though, because of your obstinateness.

Show me where it says only neutral roles can be converted. I think it says neutral roles can go either way. I don't believe good is immune from mafia influence.

Attempts to convert neutral does not automatically mean you go evil. You're talking out of your ass and don't know a thing about it. You get teh choice to be good or bad. If you choose bad, you go to the mafia, if you choose good, you are good and your goals change. You can also choose not to respond and remain neutral. I chose to become good.

Blade6119

03-08-2007, 03:43 PM

By the by chief, i was just looking for something and noticed this...swaggs also cleared me. So both Swaggs(our semi-seer) and lsg(our detective) have both cleared me.

path12

03-08-2007, 03:43 PM

This is two days in a row that you've said this. And while I don't want to be judge (I could only really perform the duties today because of work), what's the reasoning behind this?

Let's imagine I can help in some way. Then let's imagine I can only do that once for any particular individual. That might be a reason for speculating that anyone except you and Anxiety might be a good choice for judge.

Blade6119

03-08-2007, 03:44 PM

I was holding to the details, and it made me feel better about you and Anxiety. I have been rethinkign that with you, though, because of your obstinateness.

Show me where it says only neutral roles can be converted. I think it says neutral roles can go either way. I don't believe good is immune from mafia influence.

Attempts to convert neutral does not automatically mean you go evil. You're talking out of your ass and don't know a thing about it. You get teh choice to be good or bad. If you choose bad, you go to the mafia, if you choose good, you are good and your goals change. You can also choose not to respond and remain neutral. I chose to become good.

I know now becuase my new role(pawn shop owner) is nuetral. Ill be frank with that, since im now nuetral new information has been revealed to me about the mechanic

path12

03-08-2007, 03:44 PM

Chief Rum

03-08-2007, 03:44 PM

Exactly...if you are telling the truth about your encounter with mafia you would know they gave us a choice. All 3 of us had the choice of being evil..thats what the rules talk about

Hey look everyone, I have the power to undelrine too!

As for your point, that doesn't make any sense. I stated there was a choice, as did you and Anxiety. That stuff is already out there. We none of us can determine truth from that at this point.

Jonathan Ezarik

03-08-2007, 03:45 PM

Let's imagine I can help in some way. Then let's imagine I can only do that once for any particular individual. That might be a reason for speculating that anyone except you and Anxiety might be a good choice for judge.

Gotcha.

Chief Rum

03-08-2007, 03:45 PM

Interesting.

Leads me to a question: Does anyone who started out as good have the ability to change jobs?

Apparently Blade does. :rolleyes:

Abe Sargent

03-08-2007, 03:46 PM

Jonathan Ezarik

03-08-2007, 03:47 PM

Interesting.

Leads me to a question: Does anyone who started out as good have the ability to change jobs?

I can.

Blade6119

03-08-2007, 03:47 PM

Anxiety, can you check..your role is a lot like mine, and it was about 2/3 of the way down my role PM

Blade6119

03-08-2007, 03:47 PM

I can.

Thanks JE....see chief, i can use smilies too :p

Chief Rum

03-08-2007, 03:48 PM

I know now becuase my new role(pawn shop owner) is nuetral. Ill be frank with that, since im now nuetral new information has been revealed to me about the mechanic

You're just making this stuff up as you go along, aren't you? Just come out with anything, huh?

I have had enough. I have to go.

VOTE BLADE

I'm sorry, the stink is just too much. I have good reasons to beleive everyone left except this guy. I think he was converted. And he's likely been mafia for some time.

I hope LSG and SnDvls will go along wiht me on this, but I understand if you don't. The rest of you will just have to decide which way you lean.

See you all tonight.

Blade6119

03-08-2007, 03:49 PM

You're just making this stuff up as you go along, aren't you? Just come out with anything, huh?

I have had enough. I have to go.

VOTE BLADE

I'm sorry, the stink is just too much. I have good reasons to beleive everyone left except this guy. I think he was converted. And he's likely been mafia for some time.

I hope LSG and SnDvls will go along wiht me on this, but I understand if you don't. The rest of you will just have to decide which way you lean.

See you all tonight.

both lsg and swaggs cleared me...so your argument is moot

Chief Rum

03-08-2007, 03:51 PM

Like chief pointed out, the rules state the nuetral roles will have a choice of being good or evil. In all 3 of our evil encounters, they offer us a choice. Anxiety and i both got into fights then and there, while chief didnt. Chief didnt have violence against him when he supposedly refused(i was shot at, and i think anxiety was too...i know he was attacked in some way).

Dont you see...he accepted the offer, or at least decided later on that day. He didnt balk right away

You realize I wasn't right there to refuse the offer right? That I was at my job. I didn't even see it until 2 a.m. And you can understand if I was thinking about the offer--at the time, all of good was being stupid and not listening to a word I said and ready to kill me. Why would I want to join them? Despite that, I listened to my heart instead of my head and went with good.

Chief Rum

03-08-2007, 03:52 PM

Thanks JE....see chief, i can use smilies too :p

Your powers are beyond my comprehension.

Blade6119

03-08-2007, 03:54 PM

You realize I wasn't right there to refuse the offer right? That I was at my job. I didn't even see it until 2 a.m. And you can understand if I was thinking about the offer--at the time, all of good was being stupid and not listening to a word I said and ready to kill me. Why would I want to join them? Despite that, I listened to my heart instead of my head and went with good.
You can try to lie about it how you will, but its clear to me what happened...you got converted then and there. You have to leave, and im not budging on this point.

There is a search warrant out for me, and if they suspect me so much they can check me out. I dont care.

BUT LSG, if you trust me...arrent chief. Then our judge can put him away whether or not we lynch him

Blade6119

03-08-2007, 03:55 PM

Your powers are beyond my comprehension.

Apparently my arguments are too, but that hasnt stopped this little "debate" that is getting us nowhere

LoneStarGirl

03-08-2007, 04:50 PM

blade i never recieved any of the stuff you said you sent me.... I am more than happy to still transfer over the 400 for the bullets and armor, but i wanted to see if you would send them first before i sent money.

also why would bsak rat out his own mafia in sndvls? and sndvls gave me the gun cuz that is what cheif had... the only way i dont believe sndvls is if i dont believe chief... and i tend to believe them the most right now

LoneStarGirl

03-08-2007, 04:54 PM

LSG, with all due respect, and I haven't caught up that much,so maybe you make a statement here somewhere, but you can't choose to Arrest king instead of searching CR and then get upset at me making a decision, in part, on trust of a detective.

but i told you i trusted king. When you arrest somebody or search somebody they automatically get checked through the computer. He came back cleaner than anybody besides JE and you still execute him.

I don't trust you as far as i can through you buddy.

vote anxiety

LoneStarGirl

03-08-2007, 04:54 PM

i already used my day action on sndvls...i am through for the day

LoneStarGirl

03-08-2007, 04:55 PM

and it was supposed to read 'throw you buddy'

not through

Abe Sargent

03-08-2007, 04:56 PM

Anxiety, can you check..your role is a lot like mine, and it was about 2/3 of the way down my role PM

What am I checking for?

Abe Sargent

03-08-2007, 04:58 PM

Blade - I'm still interrested in teh gun if LSG didn;t buy it. Did you sell it to someone else?

Abe Sargent

03-08-2007, 04:59 PM

and it was supposed to read 'throw you buddy'

not through

I knew. :)

Basic rule: don; attack someone's grammar in a WW post where they can;t edit

Blade6119

03-08-2007, 05:00 PM

lsg, your making a fatal mistake here...dont blow this.

Chief got saved by the head of the lynch mob, and i promise you he wont again today. Dont be foolish.

As for the items, you were supposed to PM alan asking to buy the items at the prices i listed. I had to, and did, send a PM to alan confirming those prices. When both were sent, he would transfer the funds and items simultaneously...i dont know why you thought i would give you items with no cash, but your misplacing your trust due to sndvls giving you a gun. Dont let it happen.