Werewolf XLIII - The Big City (Game over)

[Abe Sargent]

I'd be willing to entertain ideas of where I should go, in teh meantime.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

I could not agree more with this. Anxiety, please issue some warrants to see if we can come up with anything on these murders.

Assuming we still have some detectives alive who can follow up on the warrants. :(

[Abe Sargent]

Okay, just got the primer. I can issue either an arrest warrant or a search warrant. I assume we want a search warrant, right? Any ideas who?

[Alan T]

Okay, just got the primer. I can issue either an arrest warrant or a search warrant. I assume we want a search warrant, right? Any ideas who?

You can issue one of each.

[Abe Sargent]

You are correct, misread the primer. I can issue one of each type, not one type, which is how I had read it.

Arrest and search.

Who to search, who to arrest?

[kingfc22]

Blade - have you checked out bsak yet? He hasn't told us who he sold guns or ammo to and at this point that information would be very helpful.

[kingfc22]

I learned that you like Erick Estrada, which frankly I don't get.

CHIPS? Lathum's the poker player?

Now that we know Lathum was the detective, it is clear that BK was tipping off the mafia in this post. The first person to make a connection to Chips (detective) was Narc.

[path12]

Assuming we still have some detectives alive who can follow up on the warrants. :(

According to Tyrith there were three so we should have one left.

[Blade6119]

Ill either be checking out narc or path today, im not sure who...i think we all know bsak is the shop owner, so im not sure what me targeting him will do. I cant clear or damn people, just find out how much money they started with. So scanning bsak would just tell us what we already knew.

[Blade6119]

LSG, you still playing quiet?

[path12]

We really do need to elect a new judge daily if we want to keep the spot filled. Any ideas who should replace Anxiety tomorrow? Maybe someone we get a clean search warrant on?

[Blade6119]

Did everyone like my cronin judge vote? :)

[Abe Sargent]

Now that we know Lathum was the detective, it is clear that BK was tipping off the mafia in this post. The first person to make a connection to Chips (detective) was Narc.

So you want me to issue a search warrant for Narc?

[Abe Sargent]

Please note that, accoridng to the rules, although I can issue both warrants, an individual detective can only follow up on one or the other. Most likel ythat would be a search warrant.

Here are the players left:

1. Sndvls
2. Jonathan Ezarik
4. Bsak16
5. Path12
6. Kingfc22
11. Anxiety
12. Blade6119
17. Narcizo
18. Chief Rum
20. Lonestargirl


I can issue a warrant for one of these ten players. Not me, obviously, so you have a one in nine chance of me hitting the right player. There are some here that are more likely to be mafia than others, but it appeas, based on teh double kill, that we have two mafia left.

[Abe Sargent]

Who claimed to ave voted for me as a judge?

[Blade6119]

My order is going in for narc

[Abe Sargent]

Fair enough Blade. I don;t think he's mafia, but itts good to have confirmation.


Can you folks give me your COT? In a format like this?


Trusted: SkyDog
Kinda Trusted: SkydogII
Neutral: SkyDogIII
Kinda Suspect: SkyDog IV
Suspect: SkyDog V


That way it makes analysis by me easier. I want to see where everybody is at and see if we have some similarities. I don;t want players falling throughthe cracks.

[Blade6119]

Fair enough Blade. I don;t think he's mafia, but itts good to have confirmation.


Can you folks give me your COT? In a format like this?


Trusted: SkyDog
Kinda Trusted: SkydogII
Neutral: SkyDogIII
Kinda Suspect: SkyDog IV
Suspect: SkyDog V


That way it makes analysis by me easier. I want to see where everybody is at and see if we have some similarities. I don;t want players falling throughthe cracks.

Other then narc, every player has been cleared by someone(except for bsak, but supposedly a detective cleared him). So if you think bsak is good, your going down the path I am of thinking we have evil in our trusted

[Abe Sargent]

bsak was cleared by user number 11. As of today, user number eleven's account was closed. I suspect that was Lathum.

[Abe Sargent]

Other then narc, every player has been cleared by someone(except for bsak, but supposedly a detective cleared him). So if you think bsak is good, your going down the path I am of thinking we have evil in our trusted

:Nods: And that includes you, btw.

[Blade6119]

Im well aware, you can go after me all you want...i have nothing to hide, unlike some of the other players out there(i count 5 people right now i dont know the roles of, half the game).

If you want to try and kill me, i cant fault you...after my public display of displeasure at your appointment i wasnt exactly expecting us to be chummy today

[Narcizo]

Oh well, I'll wait and see what tomorrow brings. I think we could have the game won but part of me sort of hopes that there's more work to be done. And that I don't get killed. If it doesn't end with ITC then things are really going to get interesting.

Looks like I got what I wanted then. :D

I honestly had myself ITC was mafia, hoops would be able to tell you all that I'm quite adept at convincing myself of something. In my defence I didn't see anyone not buy my line of argument and he was a criminal (just not a particularly active one - or he picked people who weren't carrying money).

Looks like I'm going to have to reread the whole thread here. We must be missing something. I'd say losing Swaggs was pretty bad as he could be the main seer role we have with both detectives taken out.

I think we may have to start thinking along the lines of Barkeep being bad from the start and someone else switching. That means that no-one can be considered safe. Including Chief Rum.

[Narcizo]

Other then narc, every player has been cleared by someone(except for bsak, but supposedly a detective cleared him). So if you think bsak is good, your going down the path I am of thinking we have evil in our trusted

That sounds pretty bad for me. :)

[Abe Sargent]

Well, at first I thought no wolf would be crazy enough to put himself out there like that, but you are sometimes crazy like a fox, so who knows? I doubt I'll be putting out a search warrant for ya, but I'm just saying that no one is above suspicion unless they have real clearage, and right now we have some people, like yourself, that have been quasi-cleared.

-Anxiety

[Narcizo]

Off the bat I'm going to say the people most suspicious are bsak and king. Bsak's voting pattern was incredibly suspicious at the start but he got let off because he was the shop owner and because an alleged detective vouched for him on the UMB. Given the circumstances I don't see how that can be trusted.

I think Anxiety ought to have worked out who I am by now. I certainly hope so because it's starting to look like I might have to reveal to get some credibility.

[Narcizo]

In fact I'd be surprised if the majority of people with access to the UMB don't know who I am.

[Abe Sargent]

It's true that I beleive I know who Narc is, but Blade's investigation would certainly second that out.

[Narcizo]

bsak was cleared by user number 11. As of today, user number eleven's account was closed. I suspect that was Lathum.

Is part of your role knowing when accounts are closed? I've no idea when accounts are closed. Do you know when other accounts were closed? It might be helpful.

[Narcizo]

It's true that I beleive I know who Narc is, but Blade's investigation would certainly second that out.

Although, following my line of reasoning with bsak, just knowing what I do doesn't really clear me. I think everyone will have to admit though that I would have to be a conversion rather than a mobster from the start. I'd say that I'm second to Blade in terms of getting the bad guys.

[Narcizo]

I can issue a warrant for one of these ten players. Not me, obviously, so you have a one in nine chance of me hitting the right player. There are some here that are more likely to be mafia than others, but it appeas, based on teh double kill, that we have two mafia left.

1. Sndvls - No real read on. Swaggs said he was good, but Swaggs said that he thought he was the doctory.
2. Jonathan Ezarik - I think he is the doctor. Unless he's been converted I trust him.
4. Bsak16 - Very suspicious voting patterns early on. His defence pretty much rests on Lathum clearing him.
5. Path12 - Cleared by LSG, I believe. I sort of trust LSG (although Blade has sewn some doubt there) so I sort of trust path.
6. Kingfc22 - He's my prime suspect at the moment. There's the whole neutral player switching thing and then there's no actual proof that there is a poker player in the game.
11. Anxiety - Everything I've heard tells me that he is good. If he is bad he would have to have been converted since the Barkeep lynch, because I don't see someone laying their vote on BK otherwise, and it would very much be in keeping with his role to vote BK.
12. Blade6119 - Again he would have to have been converted. He's been a bit rubbish at spotting baddies since his early one-two though which might be a bit suspicious. I still don't buy that DT nominate heir stuff. Especially as we know that BK got the mob money when DT died.
17. Narcizo - I'd say that I would have to have been switched late in the game for any case against me to stand up.
18. Chief Rum - It's starting to get to the stage where we have to consider looking at him. Could this betting thing all be a big front? Has anyone actually won big off of him?
20. Lonestargirl - I trust her. I think I know her role and I think she's trustworthy.

So, like I said, at the moment my prime suspects are king and bsak.

[Abe Sargent]

Is part of your role knowing when accounts are closed? I've no idea when accounts are closed. Do you know when other accounts were closed? It might be helpful.

I tried to pm him.

[Abe Sargent]

Can anyone verify that they have won money off Chief Rum?

[Abe Sargent]

He could be a mafia AND the sports bettor, even if they have.

Has anyone cleared Chief Rum? I think that might be a good place to go, Narcizo.

[Narcizo]

Now that we know Lathum was the detective, it is clear that BK was tipping off the mafia in this post. The first person to make a connection to Chips (detective) was Narc.

Very interesting.

Of course were Barkeep (the guy I had a huge part in lynching, incidentally) and I both mob he wouldn't actually have to tip me off at all. He'd tell me via PM.

Drop down one more point on my scale of trust.

Would you care to share anything about your financial movements over the course of the game king? I'd be very interested in hearing about them.

[Narcizo]

We really do need to elect a new judge daily if we want to keep the spot filled. Any ideas who should replace Anxiety tomorrow? Maybe someone we get a clean search warrant on?

This makes sense for a number of reasons. One - if Anxiety is killed then we get a judge in tomorrow anyway. Two - if the BG is protecting Anxiety he can switch and protect the judge tomorrow as well. It's a win/win.

Personally though I'm at a loss as to who I trust and don't want to be killed. I'd plump for voting for Blade at the moment though, if pushed.

[Narcizo]

This is like a horribly complicated detective novel. I'm sure all the clues are out there. I just can't see them all.

I'm loving it. :D

[Narcizo]

I tried to pm him.

OK that does seem to indicate that Lathum cleared bsak. Maybe bsak should come out with information about any weapons people have bought from him. I presume the main mob roles started with guns but maybe the Muscle (which, I think is what we're looking at for a role of a starter) or a potential convertee would have to buy a gun. Also it might be helpful if he came out with the user id's of anyone who has bought anything off of the messageboard.

[Blade6119]

So both of you have something to do with banking?

[Blade6119]

And i dont think anyone actually cleared chief...to be honest.

I can check on narc today, so maybe lsg or a search warrant should go to chief.

[Narcizo]

Blade - got anything more to add to your suspicions of LSG and Path. I'm inclined to trust LSG but the only reason I'm not completely neutral to Path is LSG's vouch for him.

[Chief Rum]

Wow, what an awful day. :(

It took us so long to vote in a new judge, we lost a detective in the meantime. ITC left his mark on me. Before the lynch mob got him, he pickpocketed $157 from me (apparently he hit up the old lady next).

bsak was cleared by user number 11. As of today, user number eleven's account was closed. I suspect that was Lathum.

I am pretty certain this is the case. I was speaking confidentially with User #11 about an incident that occurred to me (not the pickpocket) a day ago, but we couldn't determine a way to prove we were for real to one another without a judge to approve a warrant.

User #11 claimed to be a detective to me, and I believe he was telling the truth. It had to have been Lathum.

[path12]

Can anyone verify that they have won money off Chief Rum?

I haven't placed a single bet.

[Narcizo]

I haven't placed a single bet.

Have you bought anything recently?

[Chief Rum]

To my knowledge, no one has cleared me. I have been very upfront about who I am and what I do. I could name names of people who have won big through me, but I have said before I wouldn't name them, and I still intend to hold to that.

Two days ago, I came upon some information that would be very useful in law enforcement's hands. I have tried since to arrange to contact detectives and to get a judge elected since then (review my posts from Friday forward if you want to confirm). Unfortunately, petulent stubborness in going against the grain in judge voting and/or sheer apathy from a quiet populace delayed us and may have made what I have discovered too late to be of much good. Thank you, weekend WW players.

Perhaps you all should just vote for me. I should stop trying to help good and try to join up with the mafia, because as the immortal Rick "Dark Helmet" Moranis once said, "That is why Evil will always triumph. Because Good is dumb!!!"

Anyway, if I could finally get a detective over here, that would be terrific. Thanks!

[Chief Rum]

I haven't placed a single bet.

Too bad, too. The bettors have won now five times in a row now. Barkeep said at the beginning of the game that would be just about impossible.

[Narcizo]

User #11 claimed to be a detective to me, and I believe he was telling the truth. It had to have been Lathum.

I've just reread that message. Lathum states that Bsak's fingerprints don't match any found at the scene. But we know for a fact that he has access to gloves so I'm not really sure how much weight Lathum's clearing of Bsak should carry.

[path12]

My list at this point:

Pretty trusted: LSG
Sort of trusted: JE, Anxiety
Neutral: Narcizo, Blade, bsak
Below neutral: Chief (I haven't bet), SnDvls (if Swaggs thought he was the doctor he was wrong), king (I just haven't been able to get any read on).

[Chief Rum]

I haven't placed a single bet.

Too bad, too. The bettors have won now five times in a row now. Barkeep said at the beginning of the game that would be just about impossible.

[Narcizo]

Why does the board always die for about 20 minutes around this time?

[path12]

Have you bought anything recently?

No. My only purchase has been the UMB membership. The rest of my money is in the bank.

[Narcizo]

I've just reread that message. Lathum states that Bsak's fingerprints don't match any found at the scene. But we know for a fact that he has access to gloves so I'm not really sure how much weight Lathum's clearing of Bsak should carry.

The message in which someone clears bsak, that is.

Bsak, I presume no-one has bought gloves from you - as even a message board purchase with a user number might give us some clues.

[path12]

I would be willing to vote for LSG, Blade, Narcizo or myself for judge right now pending further information.

[Blade6119]

I have not bought anything either, but ive had money taken from me twice

[Chief Rum]

This thread currently has Blade as the last post, but his post is not here. Does that mean he deleted a post?

[Narcizo]

Um...I just tried to quote myself but I can't find the post that should have come up. I'm a bit worried that I might have pressed edit instead of quote but I can't find an edited post either. Hopefully I did press quote and the message just disappeared.

[Chief Rum]

Okay, now it's happened to me. Blade didn't delete a post. Something is screwy here. It's not showing my post or Blade's (at least not to me). I wonder if this is related to the board's odd way of breaking down about now. Of course, this post will also not show up (or not until the board rights itself anyway).

[Narcizo]

This thread currently has Blade as the last post, but his post is not here. Does that mean he deleted a post?

I don't think so as a post of mine seems not to have been made. Something going on with the board?

[path12]

No, it was just funky for me also. Said there were new messages but they weren't showing.

Ah well, need to try and get back to sleep. Insomnia sucks. :(

[Chief Rum]

I don't think so as a post of mine seems not to have been made. Something going on with the board?

Yeah, my next post pretty much shows I realized this, too. Weird forum breakdown.

[Narcizo]

Oh! There's my post now. Suddenly we're on page 42 - I think we were getting stuck on page 41 before.

I'd be a bad choice for judge as I won't be able to get my orders out before someone killed me.

[Chief Rum]

No, it was just funky for me also. Said there were new messages but they weren't showing.

Ah well, need to try and get back to sleep. Insomnia sucks. :(

Only if you can't sleep. :)

Seriously, sorry to hear that, path. Insomnia does suck.

[Narcizo]

I don't honestly think there's anything to be gained by me being coy about my role when I think pretty much everyone must have worked it out by now. My role was the banker. Blade will see that I have a flash ring while Anxiety will confirm that I paid double to prebook his services one day and then that I did pay double another day but he only took the usual payment and sent some back. I can also post a message on the UMB showing that I'm the person who was claiming to be the banker.

I'd like to point out that although I started rich I've used most of my money buying protection for the bank and I know for a fact that there are a lot richer people out there now. Anyone thinking of taking me hostage or trying to rob me is going to be very disappointed. Not as disappointed as me, but still.

I'm going to gather my notes and see what I can come up with.

[Blade6119]

Did you just reveal anxiety too?

[Narcizo]

My primary assumption has been that people with a significant amount of money in the bank are, or at least started, the game as good guys. If I was in the mafia I would give my money to the boss to look after as it's the safest bet available for storing money.

Jonathon - as I said on the message board he started with 900 in the bank, which is consistent with a starting sum of 900 + UMB subscription. Blade's gold ring seems to equate with $1000 starting sum. I am 99% sure he has the doctor role and barring a conversion that he's good.

LSG - started with 1000, which is also consistent with her story of not joining the message board. I have a hard time thinking that there are many roles that would be able to put that much money in the bank as a cover. If Blade looks at her he should see a gold ring.

[Narcizo]

Did you just reveal anxiety too?

As the firewall expert? Yes. But he revealed that a couple of days ago.

[Blade6119]

Oh, nevermind...i mis-read what you posted

[Blade6119]

Well, i think im beginning to settle on chief rum for my vote now...LSG's starting cash would seem to indicate the good of the two roles i had her pegged for, and i have a pretty solid trust for some other members based on my actions

[Narcizo]

Anxiety had money that is, I think, consistent with him possessing a silver ring and subscribing to the message board.

I caught Barkeep out because he forgot to move the money he inherited from the bank to another spot when DT died. At first I thought he had hacked it from Lathum but then I sort of put 2 and 2 together.

King's money has been in a state of fluctuation. I've been thinking this is a bit suspicious but to be honest after what happened to Barkeep I would expect that the new mob boss would take pains to keep an even amount of money in the bank. In retrospect I think it probably does indicate a poker player.

Path started on a silver ring income level + UMB but his money disappeared from the bank yesterday. Which I'm finding a bit suspicious, given that that was the time Barkeep's money disappeared from my accounts.

[Narcizo]

Anxiety's statement is consistent with the amount of money I'd been paying the "Protector" on the UMB, which a) really suggests to me that all the money he has in the bank is all the money he has and b) means that I trust him to the extent of it verging on a vouch.

[Narcizo]

I'd really like to hear from Path why he moved his money yesterday and I'd like to hear just how sure LSG is about her vouch of him.

[Blade6119]

To note, although im not trying to attack him here...JE, our doctor, is a key role for evil to have left around. JE made it very clear he could be helpful to both sides, and as such i dont believe can be trusted as fully as some of you have done. I dont doubt he is the doctor, but i dont trust him 100% to be of the light.

[path12]

Path started on a silver ring income level + UMB but his money disappeared from the bank yesterday. Which I'm finding a bit suspicious, given that that was the time Barkeep's money disappeared from my accounts.

I have no money anymore. I cannot say why, except that I've gone from neutral to good.

[Blade6119]

Hey narc, you know how much money i have in the bank...if you want to reveal it, you can. I can deal with questions about lying...might as well handle it now instead of later.

[Blade6119]

Wait, LSG trusted you before you would have spent all your money, no? At that time, you would have been independent

[path12]

Wait, LSG trusted you before you would have spent all your money, no? At that time, you would have been independent

I didn't say I spent my money. I said I have no money anymore. She saw me the day my status switched so I don't know exactly how she saw me. I have never been evil or mafia though.

[Narcizo]

Bsak, Chief, snDvls & Blade didn't start with money in the bank. I think that if we're looking for someone who was a mob member from the start we should look at these four people.

However, Barkeep did have money in the bank at the start (I think all of his money - judging by spending patterns), which means either
a) he was smart enough to work out that having money in the bank might make the banker more trusting of him, or
b) that he converted later on in the game.

And if Barkeep was smart enough to put money in the bank from the start then maybe someone else was as well.

[Narcizo]

Hey narc, you know how much money i have in the bank...if you want to reveal it, you can. I can deal with questions about lying...might as well handle it now instead of later.

I don't know if the actual sum is significant but it's $495 - put in, I think, on Friday (between 2nd and 3rd).

Path's money disappeared between the 3rd and the 5th. So, over the weekend then. When did LSG vouch for him?

[Narcizo]

To note, although im not trying to attack him here...JE, our doctor, is a key role for evil to have left around. JE made it very clear he could be helpful to both sides, and as such i dont believe can be trusted as fully as some of you have done. I dont doubt he is the doctor, but i dont trust him 100% to be of the light.

Where did he make that clear? I think I must have missed it. Not doubting you, it's just something that I think someone else has mentioned and I must have missed it.

If it's true than at a guess I'd presume that he has a major objective of healing anyone who is wounded.

[Blade6119]

I started off with 1000, had 405 jacked on day one by ITC(pickpocketed, so i presume him). To prevent further theft, i stored it at home...only to have swaggs take another 100 out of my trash. To prevent more theft i moved my remaining money to the bank, and thats how we reach this juncture.

[Blade6119]

I'm not worried about being outed. As I mentioned the other day, I think my role is a benefit to both good and evil. I'm definitely on the side of good, but when it comes down to it, my professional responsibility is to heal people. No matter what their profession is. If a mafia member gets shot, it's my duty to try my best to heal him. So I don't see why I would be a target for a hit.

Could be as simple as trying to avoid the attention of the mafia, but he expresses clearly he can help both sides

[Narcizo]

I'm afraid my role isn't really very useful at this stage. It helped us get Barkeep but I don't think there's much more to it than that. Might be time to seek alternative employment.

[Blade6119]

I'm afraid my role isn't really very useful at this stage. It helped us get Barkeep but I don't think there's much more to it than that. Might be time to seek alternative employment.

If true about barkeep inheriting the money and you seeing it, who doesnt have their money in the bank right now?

[Blade6119]

and im done for the night, cheers

[Narcizo]

Could be as simple as trying to avoid the attention of the mafia, but he expresses clearly he can help both sides

I think a major objective of saving anyone who is wounded is very much in keeping with the role. I think it's good enough to trust him as starting as a villager. Barring the wolves getting two shots at a conversion (they used one on Anxiety) I think he's as good as cleared as a villager.

[Narcizo]

If true about barkeep inheriting the money and you seeing it, who doesnt have their money in the bank right now?

Bsak, CR, SnDvls & Path. (Path showed up as "0" yesterday rather than just disappearing from the list as killed people have done previously).

I don't think having money in the bank now really means a lot though. I've, basically, exhausted the usefulness of my role.

[Dr. Sak]

The message in which someone clears bsak, that is.

Bsak, I presume no-one has bought gloves from you - as even a message board purchase with a user number might give us some clues.

One person did buy gloves from me but that was at the beginning of the game. The user ID# was one that has not been messeaged for awhile. That ID # was the same # that most of us thought was Cronin because of the crazy post he made right before getting lynched.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

I think a major objective of saving anyone who is wounded is very much in keeping with the role.

Healing people is one of my goals for a major victory. The other is to reach a monetary amount (which I don't see happening).

[Narcizo]

Blade just scanned me for what it's worth. At least it should confirm that I was rich at the start of the game.

[LoneStarGirl]

I am very sure about Path. I checked him out two days ago and he was cleared. Now if something happened between then and now, its possible

[LoneStarGirl]

Blade you said I was second on your most suspicious list, why did you check Narc and not me?

[Narcizo]

Day two vote. One I think really caught the bad guys with their trousers down and is pretty valuable as a result.

Barkeep49 - Marathoner (832), Chief Rum (845), Jonathan Ezarik (1053)

Jonathan Ezarik - Lathum (873), ImTheCrew (920), Kingfc (979)

st. cronin - Blade6119 (887), LoneStarGirl (960), Barkeep49 (963), SnDvls (1001), path12 (1013)

ImTheCrew - Narcizo (906)

path12 - Anxiety (929)

Blade6119 - hoopsguy (1051), st.cronin (1055), Swaggs (1064), DaddyTorgo (1069), Bsak (1076)

Looking at this I think we come back to the suspicions for the day falling on Bsak and Kingfc. I honestly can't see a bad guy voting for St Cronin in a tight vote under these circumstances which means I'm leaning towards trusting SnDvls (although I'd really like to know what he knows). Bsak switched his vote to Blade right at the end. With Kingfc, well it's the same drill as with ITC. He phoned in his vote and added it to JE at a time when JE was a strong candidate for the lynch. The fact that he phoned in and his lack of presence suggests that he wasn't there to switch to St Cronin. (heh! deja vu) He's been UTR all game.

I'd like some sort of defence backed with any evidence he can muster, from king today or I'm going to be laying my vote on him. My time zone means that I have to vote aggressively - I can't afford to hang around.

Any defence Bsak can come up with would be nice as well.

[Narcizo]

We need to vote for a judge. I'll be back in about 3-4 hours I hope there's a candidate by that time.

I think a full-scale reveal might be enough for the win in this case but at the moment I'm happy taking my luck with king. At worst we lynch him and he's a neutral with an unimportant role.

[SnDvls]

I don't know a whole lot, but someone who was cleared has to be converted or has always been mafia at this point and is running around in a lot of trusted circles. It has to be or we would have nailed someone by now.

[Dr. Sak]

Healing people is one of my goals for a major victory. The other is to reach a monetary amount (which I don't see happening).

Well which one of your is the real doctor becuase Narcizo just bought some bandages from me.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Well which one of your is the real doctor becuase Narcizo just bought some bandages from me.

Why would a doctor need to buy bandages from a pawn shop? If I need bandages, I go to the hospital.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Another early vote from me. I don't really have anything to go on (as usual for me), but I don't want to be penalized for not voting.

VOTE KINGFC

I have no feel for him at all, and that makes me uncomfortable seven days into the game.

[SnDvls]

Another early vote from me. I don't really have anything to go on (as usual for me), but I don't want to be penalized for not voting.




has there been a "public" penality for not voting yet?

[Abe Sargent]

Did you just reveal anxiety too?

I've been revelead there brother. He's just one more affirmation that I am who I say I am.

[Abe Sargent]

Okay, I'm looking at JE or Chief Rum. One or the other will get a search warrant. I want to submit this in a few minutes, so I'll take ideas before then.

[SnDvls]

I know JE would prefer you search him to psudo clear him, but I'd say go with CR.

[Abe Sargent]

I was leaning CR anyway. Alright, I'm issuing a search warrant for Chief RUm as of now.

[LoneStarGirl]

I have already checked out Jonathan and he was cleaner than whistle.... although a little too clean now that i think about it

[SnDvls]

I have already checked out Jonathan and he was cleaner than whistle.... although a little too clean now that i think about it

did it say he was clean...a little too clean? in what you got. if so wouldn't that confirm the Dr. role as they have to be clean and sterile?

just thinking out loud here.

[Alan T]

The Big City Herald
Edition 26

Bank business dwindling

In what appears to be a reversal from last week where Bank business was booming, it appears of late more and more people are choosing to not keep their money in the facility. Bank officials state that it has nothing to do with their security, and that they have never been broken into in the history of that bank branch.

Fingers point all around

In what appears to be ongoing investigation of yesterday's murders, fingers appear to continue to point all over. The new judge has not wasted any time trying to get to the bottom of things either, as he has issued a new search warrant for Chief Rum this morning.

(Any detectives that might still be alive can execute this search warrant by sending in a PM requesting this as their action)

Streets fill up with trash

It appears now, after the fact people really do miss the janitor of our fine city. While alive, he often would be ridiculed for his smell or his station in life. Now that the janitor was viciously murdered yesterday you can find trash building up on every street, ally and sidewalk.

[path12]

I formally nominate Narcizo to be tomorrows judge. Thoughts?

[Narcizo]

I formally nominate Narcizo to be tomorrows judge. Thoughts?

It's a terrible idea. I won't be around to issue warrants at the start of the day before the bad guys get their kill order in. Unless I'm sure of BG protection it's a waste of a day's judging.

By the way I'm now leaning heavily towards Bsak as mob. I don't trust CR as far as I can throw him. I wonder how much money it would take to get him to say what you want? The promise of 3000 by the end of the game? Don't get me wrong. I honestly think that CR is neutral. It's just that we've been a bit too good-natured in our understanding of what being neutral involves. Being nuetral means that he would actually be remiss not to sell us out if given the opportunity to make a lot of cash out of it. And if anyone's got a lot of cash then it's Bsak.

CR vouched for the UMB post which vouched for Bsak - there's way too long a trail for me not to think that something could easily be wrong someway along the line. Bsak's voting was way, way dodgy at the start but he's somehow managed to glide away from the accusations, despite there really not being a whole lot in the way of confirmed evidence supporting him.

What I'd really like is for everyone still standing to conduct a defence of themselves, as if they were currently losing 7-3 in a lynch vote. We all know what we've been up to better than anyone else so we are ideal for gathering all the relevent information about ourselves.

[Narcizo]

The Big City Herald
Edition 26

Bank business dwindling

In what appears to be a reversal from last week where Bank business was booming, it appears of late more and more people are choosing to not keep their money in the facility. Bank officials state that it has nothing to do with their security, and that they have never been broken into in the history of that bank branch.


Ha! All we've done is remove the dirty, corrupt money from the system. Our bank is now as clean as it is safe.

[Narcizo]

I was leaning CR anyway. Alright, I'm issuing a search warrant for Chief RUm as of now.

I'd like an arrest warrant for king or bsak. Give the detective more swing room to react to any developing events later in the day if need be.

By the way, I'm glad you're still alive.

[Narcizo]

Meh! On rereading it looks as though Anxiety thinks user 11 was Lathum because the account was closed today.

Hmm ... I'm going to try opening a new UMB account. I guess I'll probably get a repeat IP error or something but it's worth a try.

[path12]

It's a terrible idea. I won't be around to issue warrants at the start of the day before the bad guys get their kill order in. Unless I'm sure of BG protection it's a waste of a day's judging.

The surest way of keeping the judge alive is to elect a new one each day, except for Anxiety and JE. Who would you nominate then? Because if Anxiety is judge tomorrow he is vulnerable.

[Blade6119]

Blade you said I was second on your most suspicious list, why did you check Narc and not me?

Because scanning you would tell me nothing. Narc has told everyone what your money situation was and is. I cant clear or damn anyone, so by targeting narc i confirmed his role as well as what he was saying about everyone else. Now i know without doubt how much you had, and i no longer need to check you out.

[Blade6119]

And to confirm what narc has been saying, he has a very very nice ring. Better then cronin nice...

[Blade6119]

VOTE CHIEFRUM

We have no idea if detectives still remain out there to serve the search warrant. If not, this vote will stand.

[path12]

And to confirm what narc has been saying, he has a very very nice ring. Better then cronin nice...

Does that clear him in your mind? I do not like the way he is avoiding the judge issue.

[Blade6119]

I think it makes him the banker, and knowing what i know of the actions mafia has taken i believe it does. I told you all a few days ago ive trusted him, and what i learned of him has not changed things.

Im not sure he is the best choice for judge though, all things considered.

[path12]

I think it makes him the banker, and knowing what i know of the actions mafia has taken i believe it does. I told you all a few days ago ive trusted him, and what i learned of him has not changed things.

Im not sure he is the best choice for judge though, all things considered.

Who would your choice be then? I'm just trying to make sure we can get a consensus early so that we can make sure and get someone in there.

[Blade6119]

Who would your choice be then? I'm just trying to make sure we can get a consensus early so that we can make sure and get someone in there.

Id say lsg to be honest right now..she seems to have the most intimate knowledge of the most amount of people.

I will not be voting for cronin again today if it helps :p

[path12]

Id say lsg to be honest right now..she seems to have the most intimate knowledge of the most amount of people.

I will not be voting for cronin again today if it helps :p

Yes, that would be helpful not to vote for the dead person. :)

LSG would be fine with me also.

[Blade6119]

Alright, ill toss a judge vote LSGs way right now

[path12]

Alright, ill toss a judge vote LSGs way right now

So have I. I would strongly encourage everyone else to do the same.

[Alan T]

The Big City Herald
Special Edition

Police have confirmed that a new arrest warrant has been issued this afternoon for the detaining of Kingfc22. They chose not to provide any other details at this time, but insiders speculate it might be perhaps the first break in the case that they have made. When we tried to reach kingfc22's lawyer for a response, he was unavailable for comment.

[kingfc22]

Would you care to share anything about your financial movements over the course of the game king? I'd be very interested in hearing about them.


Sure. Like I said I am the poker player. I started the game with $500 and my only goal in the game is to reach a cumalitive total by the end. Every day I get to play a card game. I've played War, Hold Em and Blackjack so far.

[kingfc22]

The Big City Herald
Special Edition

Police have confirmed that a new arrest warrant has been issued this afternoon for the detaining of Kingfc22. They chose not to provide any other details at this time, but insiders speculate it might be perhaps the first break in the case that they have made. When we tried to reach kingfc22's lawyer for a response, he was unavailable for comment.


And we just wasted a warrant.:(

[Abe Sargent]

king, just want to let you know that I expect any remaining dectective(s) to fulfill the search warrant, not he arrest warrant, but i didn;t want it to just be an used ability.

[kingfc22]

Alright, ill toss a judge vote LSGs way right now

Why the sudden change to get a judge into power now? The past few days you were totally anti-judge while most decided this was good for the City early in the game.

Now you have done a 180 and are voting for a judge again.

The whole DT accusation still has me uneasy about your true status in the game.

[Narcizo]

I'm happy voting LSG for judge. Sending my vote now.

[Blade6119]

Ive been quite clear i wanted a judge, just not the one you were all voting for. Do not try to change what ive been saying...look back, ive always wanted a judge. I just didnt agree with who you were all throwing up as nominees.

By the way, how could DT have passed his role to me when we all saw Barkeep inherit the mafia money. Its the reason we caught him...so if DT passed it to me, where did that barkeep money come from?

[Narcizo]

Hmm ... I'm going to try opening a new UMB account. I guess I'll probably get a repeat IP error or something but it's worth a try.

Didn't work. It would probably require a hacker or something to get someone a second account. If only we knew who was a hacker etc etc. No I don't really think this line of thought holds up, unfortunately. I still say it's a long line of uncheckable evidence that's currently "clearing" bsak.

[Blade6119]

Hey Bsak, ill offer you 250 for the gem..i only have 495, so im offering a little over half my funds...i have to get two for my victory condition, so i cant afford to give you more or i wont be able to get a second

[Abe Sargent]

I just remembered an old paper article that seemed to link the pawn shop with the mafia. Anybody else recall that? Am I making that up?

[kingfc22]

Vote Bsak

Not much other information is out there. Looks like it is probably between Chief, Bsak and myself.

Chief has an independent role like myself so I believe he is innocent. That only leaves one person for me to vote for.

Time to go to work.

[Dr. Sak]

Hey Bsak, ill offer you 250 for the gem..i only have 495, so im offering a little over half my funds...i have to get two for my victory condition, so i cant afford to give you more or i wont be able to get a second

I cannot do that sorry. It cost me more than that to get it.

[Blade6119]

What is your role king?

[Chief Rum]

Does being fortunate in a finders-keepers way mean anything to anyone else? Because my luck has apparently struck again. I have now had a second such incident in three day cycles. The first one has had me desperate to find law enforcement. The second is much the same, although I would guess Blade would be very interested in what I have found as well.

If the search warrant already placed is executed, what I have discovered should be found. My hope is that one will have incriminating evidence on it on someone still remaining in the game, although my likely fear is that you all will jump on the assumption it is me and lynch me.

That would be a mistake. I am neutral and doing a good job of achieving my victory condition without the aid of good or evil.

But things have begun to revolve around me, and I don't have any idea where they are coming from or who is responsible.

[Chief Rum]

BTW, I'll be around off and on for the next hour and a half, so if anyone has questions, now is the time to ask them.

[Blade6119]

Does being fortunate in a finders-keepers way mean anything to anyone else? Because my luck has apparently struck again. I have now had a second such incident in three day cycles. The first one has had me desperate to find law enforcement. The second is much the same, although I would guess Blade would be very interested in what I have found as well.

If the search warrant already placed is executed, what I have discovered should be found. My hope is that one will have incriminating evidence on it on someone still remaining in the game, although my likely fear is that you all will jump on the assumption it is me and lynch me.

That would be a mistake. I am neutral and doing a good job of achieving my victory condition without the aid of good or evil.

But things have begun to revolve around me, and I don't have any idea where they are coming from or who is responsible.
First of all, DT tried to same whole Blade would be interested in what i have argument...so forgive me for having pause.

Secondly, why dont you just tell us what forced you to go to law enforcement the first, second, and third time now?

[Chief Rum]

BETTORS WIN AGAIN!!!

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This will be short notice, but I do have a new game for the bettors, if anyone is interested. The game is...

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My gut here says the Lakers will rebound and beat the Wolves tonight. But what do you all think?

Get your bets in, and let's make some cash!

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[Dr. Sak]

Well Chief it seems that two people, Blade and Narcizo seem to be throwing accusations around. I mean I was searched a few days ago and nothing came back positive yet I am still not in the circle of trust or whatever they want to call it. I tend to trust Blade just because he's been a little more open from the start about the gem and his role.

Narcizo seems to want everyone to give a defense and I have yet to hear anything from Narcizo about his own defense. He just assumes that we all should follow his lead and believe that he is totally trustworthy.

He's the banker so I'd assume he'd want as many people as possible to put money in there. It could gain interest. And who do we know has most of the money? Yea you guessed it, so why would he want to tick off the people that have the most money when one of his goals could involve the amount of money invested in his bank? He'd want to be in close ties with them to gain their trust.

[Dr. Sak]

Dola and to follow things up I have been keeping another close eye on King and he's been flying under the radar quite a bit. If I were doing something shady I'd want as little attention as possible.

[Chief Rum]

First of all, DT tried to same whole Blade would be interested in what i have argument...so forgive me for having pause.

Secondly, why dont you just tell us what forced you to go to law enforcement the first, second, and third time now?

Review my posts, and you would know. The first time I had information, information I tried to contact a detective with and had discussions with "User 11" (who appears to have been Lathum). I got his attention with a public post requesting law enforcement on Friday.

The second was late last night/early this morning, when I said I was pickpocketed. I sent in a crime report. I have not heard back on that, not surprisingly.

The third is just above, which I just received (or I just saw, that is) when I logged in now a half hour ago or so.

I have been squirrely revealing what the information or incidents is/are, because I don't want to attract too much mafia attention.

Of course, at this point, it's not like the mafia can't be aware of me.

[Blade6119]

The second was late last night/early this morning, when I said I was pickpocketed. I sent in a crime report. I have not heard back on that, not surprisingly.

Thats what i was looking for..you to say this. I saw you say you were pickpocketed by ITC as he was dying, but saw no report in the paper. So then i thought, well if he knows ITC did it and is dead he wouldnt report it. But now your saying you were robbed and reported it, yet oddly enough there has been no crime report in the paper...odd that, no?

[Chief Rum]

BTW, I still have extreme misgivings about you, Blade. I have not dismissed DT's statement as others have. I think it is quite likely that what he said was true, and we need to be careful about trusting you. I don't necessarily buy the money with BK angle because I think he could have gotten that in another way in a game like this. It was BK himself who brought up the money, not Narcizo or even Lathum (the person hacked who was originally thought to be the source). I think cronin passed the ring on to DT, and DT might have done the same to you, like an ongoing conversion.

I also wouldn't put it past you to set up a double sabotage with cronin and DT to put yourself in a place of trust. You are all veteran WW players and could see you all making that decision as a new (albeit extreme) tactic to get a wolf deep into the trusted circle. And you're certainly veteran enough to pull it off.

You have just struck me as "off" the whole game, and I don't understand why everyone will excuse your idiosyncrasies, like your harping on Swaggs "stealing" your money. You have worked actively against us getting a judge, and you haven't helped much in finding new mafia at all since we got DT. And now you vote for someone acknowledged to by all to be neutral.

I am probably alone in these suspicions but they have bugged me for some time now.

[Abe Sargent]

Not alone. But I have to go with the more likely scenario that you are mafia, and thus you got the search warrant today.

[Dr. Sak]

Chief you bring up some really good points and put it better than I ever could.

[Blade6119]

If everyone wants me to, i can counter every point he made...but i dont feel like doing the work unless im near death

[Narcizo]

I have no time to read or think. It sounds like Chief is going to preparing for events not looking good for him.

Vote Chief Rum

Bsak go ahead and make your best case against me. I will hopefully be here to defend myself tomorrow.

[Chief Rum]

Thats what i was looking for..you to say this. I saw you say you were pickpocketed by ITC as he was dying, but saw no report in the paper. So then i thought, well if he knows ITC did it and is dead he wouldnt report it. But now your saying you were robbed and reported it, yet oddly enough there has been no crime report in the paper...odd that, no?

The paper has been rather hit and miss, no? We only know of crimes that have been reported in there, not crimes that have been reported but not put in there. I think your logic in assuming that all reported crimes have appeared in the newspaper is flawed.

Second, I reported the crime from PMs to Alan, before I had read the thread (I was gone since early afternoon Sunday). So I didn't yet know ITC was the pickpocket or that he had been lynched. I found that out after the fact, reading the thread, amking it obvious ot me that I had been victimized by ITC before he bought it. I was probably his weekend target.

There also needs to be detectives around to investigate crime reports, I would think. The fact we likely only have one now at best might also inhibit the reporting of crimes.

Regardless, I did get pickpocketed yesterday and I did report the crime. Nothing else I control is in my hands (detective actions, newspaper editions, etc.).

[Chief Rum]

Not alone. But I have to go with the more likely scenario that you are mafia, and thus you got the search warrant today.

Anxiety, I ASKED for me to be searched! Keep that in mind. I will be searched, and some items of interest will be found. I have been trying to get them in law enforcement's hands for a couple days now.

I am glad you are searching me and hope that a detective is going to execute it.

[Blade6119]

The paper has been rather hit and miss, no? We only know of crimes that have been reported in there, not crimes that have been reported but not put in there. I think your logic in assuming that all reported crimes have appeared in the newspaper is flawed.

Every crime ive heared reported has been in the paper, except yours...id love if someone else can say a crime they reported to alan was not announced. But from what ive seen, every reported crime but yours made the paper

[Chief Rum]

I have no time to read or think. It sounds like Chief is going to preparing for events not looking good for him.

Vote Chief Rum

Bsak go ahead and make your best case against me. I will hopefully be here to defend myself tomorrow.

That is disappointing. I expected the vote from Blade, but because he has had it in for me for a while (since our tete-a-tete earlier in the game), and because he is probably mafia and wants anyone who is not mafia to get lynched.

But you I hoped better for. I am not mafia. I have not lied once in this game. I have been very up front about who I am and who I do. I have in fact ignored ways to approach my victory condition even more closely in my effort to help the side of good.

I could have sold what I found, but I have chosen to keep them for law enforcement to find. I have publically harped on these things with every post since Friday.

If you really feel I am the best candidate for the lynch right now, before a warrant has even been executed on me, that is very disappointing.

[Chief Rum]

Every crime ive heared reported has been in the paper, except yours...id love if someone else can say a crime they reported to alan was not announced. But from what ive seen, every reported crime but yours made the paper

But is it automatic? Newspapers haven't come out right away. And Alan himself has said that he keeps things back and reveals information bit-by-bit. not as it comes in.

So even if you assume that every crime reported is announced in the paper (and I refer to my earlier post that you have absolutely no evidence that this is true), it could still be on its way to being reported in some near future newspaper edition.

[Blade6119]

That is disappointing. I expected the vote from Blade, but because he has had it in for me for a while (since our tete-a-tete earlier in the game), and because he is probably mafia and wants anyone who is not mafia to get lynched.

But you I hoped better for. I am not mafia. I have not lied once in this game. I have been very up front about who I am and who I do. I have in fact ignored ways to approach my victory condition even more closely in my effort to help the side of good.

I could have sold what I found, but I have chosen to keep them for law enforcement to find. I have publically harped on these things with every post since Friday.

If you really feel I am the best candidate for the lynch right now, before a warrant has even been executed on me, that is very disappointing.
How have i had it in for you? I havent voted you, targeted you, really even mentioned you until today. Chief, i think you over-estimate my level of interest in you

[Blade6119]

But is it automatic? Newspapers haven't come out right away. And Alan himself has said that he keeps things back and reveals information bit-by-bit. not as it comes in.

So even if you assume that every crime reported is announced in the paper (and I refer to my earlier post that you have absolutely no evidence that this is true), it could still be on its way to being reported in some near future newspaper edition.

Every crime ive seen reported(when it was announced publically that it happened) either came after the newspaper announced it or the newspaper reported it in immedeiate next issue. An issue has come out since you "reported," and no mention

[Chief Rum]

Every crime ive seen reported(when it was announced publically that it happened) either came after the newspaper announced it or the newspaper reported it in immedeiate next issue. An issue has come out since you "reported," and no mention

Then speak to the editor of the paper. I sent it in at 2:17 a.m. today.

There is evidence it might have been missed by Alan, actually. I also asked a question of him there (in that same PM), and he hasn't responded to it. I hope that's not the case.

But why are you focusing on this rather than my other two reports? I assure you, they are much more interesting in how this game turns out than the pickpocket attempt. ITC is gone--I have no way of getting my money back.

If you think a newspaper report will clear me with you, I highly doubt it. For one, you haven't shown an inclination to trust me on anything, so why would a crime report for a crime from a shady independent prove it to you. And two, you're probably mafia, so you know I'm not and this makes no difference to you.

[Blade6119]

Then speak to the editor of the paper. I sent it in at 2:17 a.m. today.

There is evidence it might have been missed by Alan, actually. I also asked a question of him there (in that same PM), and he hasn't responded to it. I hope that's not the case.

But why are you focusing on this rather than my other two reports? I assure you, they are much more interesting in how this game turns out than the pickpocket attempt. ITC is gone--I have no way of getting my money back.

If you think a newspaper report will clear me with you, I highly doubt it. For one, you haven't shown an inclination to trust me on anything, so why would a crime report for a crime from a shady independent prove it to you. And two, you're probably mafia, so you know I'm not and this makes no difference to you.
Because i have no control over what you reported to the ironically now dead lathum, or why you have incriminating evidence all over your house. I dont know what you have, why you have it, or anything.

I do have control over a game mechanic ive seen tested over and over again this game, one that you seem to have avoided some how. If someone else had a similar experience(with some measure of trust) then ill drop it...but until then, i will focus on what could be a lie(remember, ITC claimed to be robbed too the day he died)

[Chief Rum]

Because i have no control over what you reported to the ironically now dead lathum, or why you have incriminating evidence all over your house. I dont know what you have, why you have it, or anything.

I do have control over a game mechanic ive seen tested over and over again this game, one that you seem to have avoided some how. If someone else had a similar experience(with some measure of trust) then ill drop it...but until then, i will focus on what could be a lie(remember, ITC claimed to be robbed too the day he died)

ITC was trying to lie his way out of a lynch. Although I do have two votes on me, I don't really fear the lynch right now. Maybe if it was closer to deadline I would, but I won't even be around for that, If you all lynch me, it won't be one where I defend myself, because I will be at work. So by the time I read it all and laugh at you all kicking yourselves, I will be long since dead and lynched.

BTW, I like the "ironically" you drop with Lathum. I couldn't announce it sooner for two reasons. One, I didn't know who the detective was until Anxiety announced that User 11's account was closed on the UMB right about the same time Lathum was killed. Two, if Lathum was alive and I knew he was a detective, I wouldn't come out and say that, because that woul dget him killed. I had no real option but to not say anything about that until I knew the detective I had been speaking with was dead.

[Blade6119]

BTW, I like the "ironically" you drop with Lathum. I couldn't announce it sooner for two reasons. One, I didn't know who the detective was until Anxiety announced that User 11's account was closed on the UMB right about the same time Lathum was killed. Two, if Lathum was alive and I knew he was a detective, I wouldn't come out and say that, because that woul dget him killed. I had no real option but to not say anything about that until I knew the detective I had been speaking with was dead.

Im not looking to keep going around this carousel, but if you want to play that point i can play that counter. If you found out lathum was a cop, you would have killed him(if your evil). And sure enough, after dealing with you he is killed...im not going to keep this up, so you can argue away...ive got some schoolwork i need to take care of

[Chief Rum]

I have a question for everyone...

Why is Blade still alive?

Seriously, think about this. He was responsible for catching two mafia memebrs at the start of the game. He has shown seer-like abilities in his searches as a jeweler. He had the appearance in continuing to be active hunting down mafia. Why is the mafia letting him live?

Instead, they go after Swaggs, who himself was drawing suspicion at times, even after his janitor reveal.

This makes no sense. Either we have stupid mafia, or Blade is connected somehow. He suggested himself he would be dead after the DT lynch. And yet it hasn't happened. Gee, what's going on there?

He didn't keep his money in the bank until just recently. He has actively worked against us getting a judge for days. He has thrown around a lot of accusations, but was not key in catching any of the shady lynches we have had since DT. And he is still alive!

Can anyone (besides Blade) explain this to me? LSG? You claim to have cleared him. How clear? And even if you did, if DT passed something on to Balde to make him mafia, your clear wouldn't be of any value anyway (it was early int he game, IIRC).

[LoneStarGirl]

you two are just going around and around. lets wait till the detective gets one of the warrants and see whats happens

[LoneStarGirl]

I checked him after day two and he was cleared.... i have thrown it out there that he might be converted and that the detectives should check if they could.

[Chief Rum]

Im not looking to keep going around this carousel, but if you want to play that point i can play that counter. If you found out lathum was a cop, you would have killed him(if your evil). And sure enough, after dealing with you he is killed...im not going to keep this up, so you can argue away...ive got some schoolwork i need to take care of

You claim you're not on the UMB, so I'll accept you may not know. But we don't know identities there. I didn't know who User #11 was, and we were in fact trying to find ways to prove to each other we were who we said we were. I couldn't have used that to kill Lathum because I had no idea it was Lathum I was talking to.

Your counter doesn't make sense. You should buy a spot on the UMB next time so you know more about what it's about.

[Blade6119]

I have a question for everyone...

Why is Blade still alive?

Seriously, think about this. He was responsible for catching two mafia memebrs at the start of the game. He has shown seer-like abilities in his searches as a jeweler. He had the appearance in continuing to be active hunting down mafia. Why is the mafia letting him live?

Instead, they go after Swaggs, who himself was drawing suspicion at times, even after his janitor reveal.

Yes, how foolish of them...they have gone after lathum(a cop), tyrith(a cop), swaggs(finds out info about your role), and hoopsguy(our judge).

Why in gods name would they want to kill those people over me(who finds out how much money you started out with, and thats approximately.

Damn those idiots, WHY!!!! :)

[LoneStarGirl]

woohoo I love gambling.

I want the lakers cheif

[LoneStarGirl]

now I got a teachers meeting and grocery shopping so iwont be back on until 5 central

[Chief Rum]

BETTING IS CLOSED!!

The Lakers are today's choice. Good luck, bettors!

[Chief Rum]

I have to run now. Should be interesting reading when I get back.

I have voted for LSG as the new judge.

VOTE KINGFC

As much as I want to vote for Blade, there are better candidates right now, IMO.

[Dr. Sak]

Running through today's actions shows a lot of potential for some mafia players. Seems like some true colors are coming out. Right now I think the best guy is the one trying to lay low therefore...

VOTE KINGFC22

Hopefully I will be home from wings in time to catch anything that happens before 9pm.

[Blade6119]

Chief and bsak seem to be teaming up quite a bit, in voting and in general strategy...interesting development, though not totally unexpected.

Chief already admitted he had a lot of incriminating evidence in his house, but wont tell us what or why...and you want to go after king, who from my interaction with him(re: day action) seems to be just what he says he is...

[LoneStarGirl]

wow this is a slow day. With 10 people left you figure there would be more going on.

[SnDvls]

vote bsak
I want to know some more info from him and his wares in the store

[LoneStarGirl]

well i put in my day action 3 hours ago and haven't gotten anything back. Nor do i have an updated vote count to see where the vote stands. GE and I have to go to the mall for his mom's bday so i wont be back till after deadline so I have to throw a vote out there.

vote bsak

[Abe Sargent]

I don;t have idea, and it doesn;t look like anyone followed up with the Chief Rum investigation.

CR, King, Bsak - there are several places to go with my vote and none seem taht great.

With active warrants on the first two, I guess I'll have to jump on the third and hope a detective grabs king for arrest or CR for a search.


Vote bsak

[path12]

If Bsak ends up good, I think it's time to take a fresh look at everyone. Sorry for the lack of analysis, but I've seriously had a total of seven hours sleep in the past three days and I just can't wrap my mind around any heavy thinking right now.

I'm not thrilled with this vote but I want to get something in. VOTE BSAK.

[Dr. Sak]

vote bsak
I want to know some more info from him and his wares in the store

So you buy armor, gloves, guns and bullets from me and vote for me to die since you dont need me anymore? I see how it is.

[LoneStarGirl]

why didn't you tell us that he did all that stuff bsak?

[Blade6119]

he bough all that from you? Didnt you say no one had bough gloves from you?

[Blade6119]

Thats either terrible play by bsak in not telling us, or flat out lies

[Abe Sargent]

Agreed. We'll find out which in a few

[LoneStarGirl]

well hopefully we will see in about 3 minutes if it is a lie or not

[LoneStarGirl]

anybody have a vote count ? blade and anxiety y'all vote for bsak or cheif? Cuz it looks like bsak needs to die

[Abe Sargent]

I voted bsak

[Blade6119]

UNVOTE CHIEF RUM

VOTE BSAK

Still want chief, but its not happening today

[LoneStarGirl]

good move blade.

why would bsak sell guns to anybody without telling us? Especially somebody not cleared like sndvls.

[Alan T]

Deadline.

[Blade6119]

And swaggs, if bsak comes up anything but mafia you have some serious explaining to do. You wouldnt tell me when i asked back when swaggs talked to you...if bsak is good, im not asking anymore. Im demanding explanation

[Alan T]

Current Judge: Anxiety

In Jail: Kingfc22

Warrants: Search Chief Rum

Injuries: None

Job Openings: Pawn Shop Owner

Pawn Shop items for sell: None

[Blade6119]

So they did arrest king...i would have rather them search chief, but it at least tells us we still have a detective

[LoneStarGirl]

well at least we know bsak is dead

[LoneStarGirl]

and not enough people voted for me as judge

[Abe Sargent]

Okay, I'm going to have to make a guilty/not guily decision on king today. Someone build a csae for and against him.

[Blade6119]

I targeted him, his ring fits with the income level he claims as a poker player, and the location and mannor in which he recieved me does not indicate evil.

Thats my case...

[Abe Sargent]

I targeted him, his ring fits with the income level he claims as a poker player, and the location and mannor in which he recieved me does not indicate evil.

Thats my case...

Would it also be consistent with mafia?

[Swaggs]

And swaggs, if bsak comes up anything but mafia you have some serious explaining to do. You wouldnt tell me when i asked back when swaggs talked to you...if bsak is good, im not asking anymore. Im demanding explanation

I'm pushing up daisies.

[Lathum]

lol

[Blade6119]

I meant sndvls, sorry swaggs

[st.cronin]

I'm pushing up daisies.

Well, he voted me for judge yesterday. I guess he's a few days behind?

[LoneStarGirl]

is that all we are getting? Not a full newspaper report like usual?

And I think we should let king go....I honestly feel he is telling the truth.

[Alan T]

The Big City Herald
Edition 27

Arrest!

As previously mentioned in a special edition, it appears local Big City police made an arrest in the case of the recent string of murders. A little bit after dark tonight, police apprehended and brought in Kingfc22. He was placed into the Big City jail where he will undergo trial tommorrow.

(gm note: King has one day to prove his innocence. Anxiety must rules on his innocence or guilt by 9:00pm Wednesday evening or he is automatically set free.)

Pawn Shop under new management

A little bit after dark, it appears that the angry mob did not catch good enough sales from the old pawn shop owner. A group of men ended up stringing him up and hanging him from the door of his very own pawn shop. Bsak16 was killed by the lynch mob. There now is a job opening for a new pawn shop owner

(Gm note: You may only apply for this job via PM to me if your inital role pm states you can change jobs. Note changing jobs may also change your personal goals for major victory)

Local doctors state lowest injury year in history

A recent report went out where local Big City doctors mentioned that this year was the lowest recorded history of injuries that have been treated. One doctor was overheard stating,"I haven't seen a single knife wound yet this year.. we'll all be out of jobs soon!"

Judge vote close but no cigar

In what appears to be one vote short of a new judge, Big City citizens make a point that they are happy with the current judge's performance while in office.

Final vote:

Lonestargirl - 5

[LoneStarGirl]

we need a pawn shop owner who will actually sell something good

[Blade6119]

Would it also be consistent with mafia?

Wha? I found him in a grocery store, he almost ran me over with his cart, and as i dove for my life i saw his ring. It was silver, like sndvls'. I have fought with two players this game in my PMs, cronin and sndvls...DT was day one and alan didnt put any flavor on that one. You can take that for what you will, but i think keeping king around is a good idea. I think the decision to arrest him over searching chief was a poor idea by our detective, especially after chief self admitted to having incriminating evidence in his house and being caught in a lie(in my opinion) about his "report"

[LoneStarGirl]

Blade, anxiety, path, jonathan... who do you think is more likely to be bad? Chief or Sndvls?

[Alan T]

is that all we are getting? Not a full newspaper report like usual?

And I think we should let king go....I honestly feel he is telling the truth.

So impatient, so impatient

ps. I edited one thing in the newspaper since I posted it. Make sure you saw the final version if you already read it.

[Blade6119]

I sent a PM before that announcement asking how to transfer to pawn shop owner

[Abe Sargent]

BOom! Abnother mafia down

[Blade6119]

Nice...so the mafia tried hard on day 2 to save cronin(3 of the 4 we have killed were in that late swap).

[Abe Sargent]

Do you think that both the gamblers would be neutral or do you think at least one would be mafia-ized?

[SnDvls]

okay I feel safe to come out now althought I do know there is at least one more mafia member out there.
I'm the investigative reporter...I was able to find out that bsak had sold a gun to DaddyTorgo a few nights ago, but I thought it was lost when he was lynched. Either it didn't happen or bsak got another one. I do know he was good to start with and was converted.
I want to see if the other mafia member slips up before I let anymore info out today.

[Blade6119]

i told you all today i think chief is evil...so you know my answer there

[path12]

Blade, anxiety, path, jonathan... who do you think is more likely to be bad? Chief or Sndvls?

Bsak coming out hard at SnDvls at the end makes me feel better about him some. But he needs to be checked out nonetheless.

I wish we had a roster of who didn't vote LSG for judge. That would give us a short list to work with.

[LoneStarGirl]

nice sndvls

[LoneStarGirl]

one more bad guy, i still tend to think the bad guy is the muscle.... a gambler could be the muscle eh?

[Abe Sargent]

I'm ready o issue more warrants if anybody has any idea of where to go.

[SnDvls]

nice sndvls

thanks...that's why I wanted swaggs to keep my info safe, he knew who I was and what I did so we all really owe him for that.

[Blade6119]

How do gamblers collect debts?

[Blade6119]

Anxiety, id say re search warrant chief...thats my opinion...for arrest, whoever

[LoneStarGirl]

1. Sndvls - reporter
2. Jonathan Ezarik - doctor
5. Path12 - trusted - voted LSG for judge
6. Kingfc22 - mostly trusted
7. Tyrith - (he is still in the game?)
11. Anxiety - hacker; good
12. Blade6119 - jeweler (pawn shop owner?) - voted lsg judge
17. Narcizo -banker
18. Chief Rum - gambler
20. Lonestargirl - good

[LoneStarGirl]

you have to give him the money first and trust him to pay you back.

This is my first time to gamble because I have money and nothing to spend it on

[LoneStarGirl]

sorry about my last post.... Tyrinth is dead...

only 9 people left

[SnDvls]

LSG - Tyrith was killed per page 1

[Blade6119]

I applied for pawn shop owner, and they told me they would be in contact....seems i might have some competition

[LoneStarGirl]

if cheif turns up good then I think we should look at Blade again. Whoever the detective is REALLY needs to think about looking into blade

[Blade6119]

search warrant me then, and arrest chief...i dont care

[Abe Sargent]

Anxiety, id say re search warrant chief...thats my opinion...for arrest, whoever

I'm thinking that the detective didn;t go after Chief Rum because they know wsomething about CR that we don't. Maybe from a prior investigation.

Also, we have ot face the possibility that the remaing detective is controlled by teh mafia, and maybe CR is the mafia, so teh remaining detective is avoiding CR.

[Abe Sargent]

1. Sndvls - reporter
2. Jonathan Ezarik - doctor
5. Path12 - trusted - voted LSG for judge
6. Kingfc22 - mostly trusted
7. Tyrith - (he is still in the game?)
11. Anxiety - hacker; good
12. Blade6119 - jeweler (pawn shop owner?) - voted lsg judge
17. Narcizo -banker
18. Chief Rum - gambler
20. Lonestargirl - good

I'm not a hacker, I'm a firewall specialist - a cyber bodyguard and seer rolled into one.

[Alan T]

Anxiety, id say re search warrant chief...thats my opinion...for arrest, whoever

Just a reminder, the search warrant for Chief already exists. No need for a second one.

[LoneStarGirl]

well anxiety, seer your ass to blade or chief ;)

[Abe Sargent]

Its a cyber seer to track down cyber crime. Point me twoards cyber crime, and I will.

[Blade6119]

Someone hack me so anxiety can check me out :)

[Abe Sargent]

Dont show me a pic of your ass Blade, that doesnt count

[Abe Sargent]

I subm,itted warrants.

[LoneStarGirl]

what warrants?

and i am out for the night....

[Blade6119]

VOTE CHIEF RUM

Not much has changed since yesterday, other then seeing the person i commented publicly was aligning heavily with chief turned up evil...

[Poli]

3rd post.

[Blade6119]

We going for a target # of posts there buddy?

[Abe Sargent]

War Against Everybody


I jacked up my troop maintenance and move 3000 of my troops to Ragusa. Two thousand more are sent to Tripolitania, including my leader. I order another 1000 in Ferrara.

No, nevermind. I intend to win this war one front at a time. I send all 5000 troops to Ragusa. Let’s win this against Bosnia, and then win it against North Africa. I will leave Tripolitania defenseless for the moment.

18 April, 1511 – Hungary declares war against Croatia. I’m at war with everyone else, might as well support Croatia as well, plus my army in Ragusa can do double duty. Hungary’s two allies, Bohemai anad Denmark join.

22 June, 1511 – My troops are all in Ragusa.

25 June, 1511 – 1000 calvary from Tunis arrive in Tripolitania to besiege the city.

5 July, 1511 – We won the Battle of Hum and begun besieging the city.

8 September, 1511 – 2000 Bohemiam troops arrive in Ferrara to being a siege.

30 September, 1511 – My fresh 1000 troops from Ferrara arrive in Croatia to aid in their defense.

15 December, 1511 – I offer Bosnia a white peace and they decline.

23 December, 1511 – Hungary wins a battle in Dalmatia against Croatia.

1 January, 1512 – We have captured Hum. I order my troops into Dalmatia. I order 1000 more troops built in Modena.

3 January, 1512 – Tunisia captured Tripolitania.

13 January, 1512 – Bosnia offers us peace for the entire alliance and they pay us six ducats. I accept. I order more troops built in Parma. One war down.

27 January, 1512 - Our army arrives in Dalmatia and begins to fight Hungary for the province.

31 January, 1512 – We force the Hungarians out of Dalmatia and have broken their siege!

1 February, 1512 – I order my leader at the head of my 3000 best infantry to head over to Ferrara and break the siege.

5 February, 1512 – More Hungarians arrive in Dalmatia to fight my remaining troops here.

10 February, 1512 – My troops arrive in Ferrara to fight the Bohemians.

22 February, 1512 – Algiers sends us a peace offer and we pay them 4 ducats to be at peace with their entire alliance including Tunis. I agree. Two wars down.

23 February, 1512 – My troops have lost the Battle of Dalmatia and are retreating to Ragusa to regroup.

6 March, 1512 – We drive the Bohemians out of Ferrara.

16 March, 1512 – Some Hungarian troops arrived in Ferrara only be to savaged and sent back in three days.

31 March, 1512 – Our 1000 new troops building in Modena have joined our army.

10 June, 1512 – Ragusa declared war against the Ottomans. They have asked me to join them. Nope, if they have gotten delusions of grandeur, I’ll not support that.

11 July, 1512 – I have an almost 3k army arrive from Ferrar at Ragusa, join them up with the remnants left over from the previous battle, and order them into Dalmatia.

26 July, 1512 – We defeated Hungary in the Adriatic Sea.

3 September, 1512 – We force the Hungarians out of Dalmatia again

There have been a large number of skirmishes in Northern Italy with my troops and opposing forces.

It’s becoming obvious that I am going to lose this war with Hungary. I cannot stab them in the back because they are landlocked. They keep my main force pinned down and are harassing my Northern Italian provinces and forces at will. I need to find an exit strategy.

4 October, 1512 – I lost a ship running the Hungarian boat gauntlet in the Adriatic but brought my beleaguered Italian forces to Dalmatia. All of my forces are here.

4000 opposing troops are besieging Parma. I need to similarly hit my opponent in the mouth in order to get neutral in this war.

5 January, 1513 – We lost 1200 troops but defeated Hungary at the province of Croatia. We begin a siege.

1 March, 1513 – Athens is now part of our Patrimony and is a core province.

21 March, 1513 – Parma falls.

9 May, 1513 – We breach the walls of Croatia province and I order a full scale assault.

11 May, 1513 – As we assault the walls of Croatia, Hungary offers us a white peace on behalf of their entire alliance for our entire alliance. I accept. The third war ends.

[Abe Sargent]

Umm.. whoops. Acidentally posted my dynasty post here :(

[Blade6119]

lol, naxos wanted to take the big city were in to help in supplying its war effort anxiety?

[st.cronin]

I need a new map.

[Narcizo]

Vote Chief Rum

There's really no need for anything else, surely? I think the CR-Bsak attempted double-team yesterday speaks for itself. I think the detective did the right thing as CR basically incriminated himself thinking that he was going to be searched. He hasn't actually provided much in a way of explanation as to what, exactly, the search was going to turn up.

Good work on getting bsak chap and chappettes.

[Narcizo]

Ah-ha! I noticed the news item about a new drugs cartel moving into the city but didn't mention it because, well, I don't know really. You'll all just have to believe me. :)

[Narcizo]

BTW, I still have extreme misgivings about you, Blade. I have not dismissed DT's statement as others have. I think it is quite likely that what he said was true, and we need to be careful about trusting you. I don't necessarily buy the money with BK angle because I think he could have gotten that in another way in a game like this. It was BK himself who brought up the money, not Narcizo or even Lathum (the person hacked who was originally thought to be the source). I think cronin passed the ring on to DT, and DT might have done the same to you, like an ongoing conversion.


Um... no, no it wasn't. I brought it up first on the UMB. BK was reacting to that. I'll grant you that BK was trying to cover his tracks earlier by asking Lathum where he got "all that money from" but I'd be very interested in hearing a creative explanation as to where else BK got $5,000 from if it wasn't mob money. I know he didn't get it from the bank.

Lets just vote Chief and then if he comes up neutral we can worry about this nominated heir nonsense. I think we all pretty much know what everyone's roles are now that SnDvls has come out.

I'm pretty sure king is alright incidentally, I don't think he's going to make his objective so sentencing him or freeing isn't really going to make a difference to his objectives but I'd hate to see an innocent man be sent down.

[Blade6119]

Well didnt bsak try to kill king in this lyng? Doesnt that speak well of king?
Chief already had 2 votes and would have been a much easier vote, but he went out of his way to target king

[Narcizo]

Umm.. whoops. Acidentally posted my dynasty post here :(

Boo! I was hoping it was a trailer for a new WW game based in your EUIII game.

[Chief Rum]

I think the decision to arrest him over searching chief was a poor idea by our detective, especially after chief self admitted to having incriminating evidence in his house and being caught in a lie(in my opinion) about his "report"

I swear to God, I have not lied once in this game.

[Chief Rum]

I sent a PM before that announcement asking how to transfer to pawn shop owner

Blade is more interested in his victory condition than in helping good. As the jeweler, he can still provide important information for the good remaining in Big City. As the pawn shop owner, he gets his hands on one of his precious "rare gems".

Yet another sign of his allegiance, but, clearly, no one cares what I say anymore.

[Chief Rum]

Blade is more interested in his victory condition than in helping good. As the jeweler, he can still provide important information for the good remaining in Big City. As the pawn shop owner, he gets his hands on one of his precious "rare gems".

Yet another sign of his allegiance, but, clearly, no one cares what I say anymore.

P.S. What's really funny is that I hold the key to his entire stated victory condition--and I'm the guy he's trying to kill.

[kingfc22]

Blah! Thanks for throwing me in jail and making me miss my poker game.

Now I have no chance in hell, unless I get seriously lucky to reach my winning condition.

Glad we got another bad guy, who I might add I VOTED for.

[Narcizo]

Blade is more interested in his victory condition than in helping good. As the jeweler, he can still provide important information for the good remaining in Big City. As the pawn shop owner, he gets his hands on one of his precious "rare gems".

Yet another sign of his allegiance, but, clearly, no one cares what I say anymore.

I care what you say. :)

I say fair plays to Blade for trying to get his major victory, the way he rounded up St Cronin and DT he deserves it. And I don't really see what his current ability will tell us now. Everyone's role is pretty evident and knowing how much money people started with isn't going to be a fantastic help. Granted, becoming shop owner probably won't help either but it's not really going to make a difference.

I wonder if your major victory condition changes when you change roles though.

[Chief Rum]

VOTE CHIEF RUM

Not much has changed since yesterday, other then seeing the person i commented publicly was aligning heavily with chief turned up evil...

So why jump on me and not JE? For the record, I think JE is who he says he is, but he was the first to vote for kingfc. I voted for kingfc, because I felt he was being way too under the radar, I knew a vote on you would be a watse, and I had no read on bsak. Mind you, I had to vote well before bsak's mistake with sndvls, so I never saw that. I couldn't tell you why bsak voted as he did, right after me. There was more than a half hour passing before he voted following my post, but for whatever reason, no one posted during that time.

If bsak "aligned heavily" with me, it was through no effort of mine. I had no choice in the decisions he made.

[Chief Rum]

I care what you say. :)

I say fair plays to Blade for trying to get his major victory, the way he rounded up St Cronin and DT he deserves it. And I don't really see what his current ability will tell us now. Everyone's role is pretty evident and knowing how much money people started with isn't going to be a fantastic help. Granted, becoming shop owner probably won't help either but it's not really going to make a difference.

I wonder if your major victory condition changes when you change roles though.

I have reason to believe actually that the conditions do change. But that might not be with every job, just the ones I have happened to come across.

You may be right that he can do no more good as the jeweler, but wouldn't it have been better for him to come out and say why he wanted to do what he was doing, and let the other good people have a say in whether they felt he would be more valuable as a jeweler or as a pawn shop owner? Someone only thinking of good would have done that.