Werewolf XLIII - The Big City (Game over)

[Narcizo]

With regards to the lynch vote I don't really want to read too much into it as my impression was that NTN was dead and buried and I didn't really get his hint on first reading. I still think ImTheCrew and Swaggs have a bit of explaining to do though, particularly ImTheCrew. kingfc needs to start talking a bit as well. He's been around a bit and said very little.

[Chief Rum]

As reported, OKLAHOMA STATE showed up to play tonight. Kansas State started behind and never really threatened. I am very disappointed in them. We lost all of the bet money today, so we'll have to try to get back into things tomorrow.

[Chief Rum]

CHIEF RUM'S BETTIN' BONANZA DROPS ITS PRICES!!!

I have decided to drop my commission from 20% to 10%, in honor of fallen police detective ntndeacon. Little known to everyone was the fact that ntndeacon used to shake me up for info whenever there were hints that a junior high touch football game was rigged. Ah the childhood memories. I hope you will all join me in a "bet toast" to ntndeacon's memory, and at bargain 10% prices.

Today's game is...

VILLANOVA AT UCONN

The Big East heavyweights aren't what they usually are, but they will clash in a key game for both tomorrow evening. I am taking bets for this game now.

As with yesterday, if you wish to bet, please "gift" me the bet money through Alan, and then post here who you want to bet on. My commission on winningsa is only 10%. If we lose, I get nothing.

I don't have a consensus yet on which way I would lean here. Hopefully some of our resident college basketball experts will chime in.

I WILL TAKE BETS UNTIL 10 A.M. PDT/1 P.M. EST!!!

This is an earlier time, due to me working both jobs. If you want in on the action, be sure to get it in as soon as possible, as Alan will also need to move the money over to me. If you do it too close to the deadline, Alan may not see the transfer request. And if I don't see the money, your bet won't be added into the pool. So get it in early while you can.

Let's hope for better luck than today.

[Narcizo]

Back from a meeting.

I realise that we only really have hoopsguy's word that he has been hacked not once but twice. There appears to be corroborating information on the UMB but he could easily have engineered that himself. But, again, I don't see a member of the mob requesting police assistance, even if it is to increase people's trust in him. And I don't think he'd think of the idea of being hacked twice. Of course there's a possibility that he made up the first report and then was actually hacked the second time. But using Occum's famous razor, for the moment I'll believe that he's on the level.

[Narcizo]

Barkeep - Hoops (424), Marathoner (476)


After hoopsguy's tirade about his name yesterday I thought this was funny. :)

[hoopsguy]

Heh, sometimes it is best not to take me too seriously ;)

[hoopsguy]

I would be very interested in knowing who is making big bets with Rum, but I'm guessing it isn't in his best interest to share that kind of information. But given the cost of the gun, I would expect some people are looking to double their bankrolls to move into a price range for this.

Then again, it does sound like a few people (Blade6119, Anxiety, Barkeep49) started with a bigger nut than I did, so maybe 1K isn't that much money for the J.P. Morgan's of our city.

[hoopsguy]

I've also got thoughts on college basketball, but I'm not sure how much info I want to share as others would stand to make/lose much more money than me. I want the good citizens around here to profit tonight, but I'm concerned that there is more potential for mob money than the rest of us. Looking for feedback on this idea before proceeding ...

[Lathum]

Back from a meeting.

I realise that we only really have hoopsguy's word that he has been hacked not once but twice. There appears to be corroborating information on the UMB but he could easily have engineered that himself. But, again, I don't see a member of the mob requesting police assistance, even if it is to increase people's trust in him. And I don't think he'd think of the idea of being hacked twice. Of course there's a possibility that he made up the first report and then was actually hacked the second time. But using Occum's famous razor, for the moment I'll believe that he's on the level.

Don't be so sure. I wouldn't put it past hoops at all to fake a crime to gain trust. I'm not so quick to give him my vote.

[Narcizo]

I've got 8 people voting Anxiety for judge. If we're to agree with Blade then these people (particularly the early voters) are possible mob members. I have a different take on it and not just for the obvious reason.

Swaggs #244
Narcizo #266
Barkeep #430
Tyrith #432
Anxiety #460
Jonathon #540

After the vote
ImTheCrew #646 - although he stated that he was leaning towards voting for Anxiety before
LoneStarGirl #713

Can't find the 9th voter.

[Lathum]

I voted anxiety for judge but I don't see your logic. I think it would actualy be more beneficial for the mafia for there to not be a judge at all.

[Narcizo]

Which is what I've been saying all along. As soon as Anxiety became the front runner I don't think the mob would risk voting for him. They'd try to sabotage the vote by not voting for him or voting for someone else less likely to succeed.

I don't want to read too much into it but I think it's something that should be born in mind in future. (especially if Anxiety is revealed to be good or bad at any stage).

Hopefully it will encourage the good guys to unify their vote on one candidate and announce that vote today as well.

[LoneStarGirl]

wow, I can't believe the guns are that expensive... I am going to have to start gambling just to get some more money.

[hoopsguy]

Don't be so sure. I wouldn't put it past hoops at all to fake a crime to gain trust. I'm not so quick to give him my vote.

If you want to vote for me, great. If not, that is fine as well. But there would be an awful lot of work involved to put myself in position to fake a crime (could the detective see that it was faked?), have it end up in the newspaper, and post about it on the message board (per others?).

I've got my devious side, no doubt about it, but it isn't in play here. I've seen my systems hacked twice within a two hour span. So at this point I'm guessing there is at least as much information about me out there than anyone else in the game. Given my choice, that would not be the case but it is what it is at this point. I've reported the crimes and we'll see where it goes from there.

[hoopsguy]

I'll give my two cents on whatever candidate is suggested. And will be willing to back some of them with a vote. Anxiety was an acceptable candidate to me yesterday, as was DaddyTorgo. But my vote was on the minority selection, for better or worse.

[Lathum]

I'll give my two cents on whatever candidate is suggested. And will be willing to back some of them with a vote. Anxiety was an acceptable candidate to me yesterday, as was DaddyTorgo. But my vote was on the minority selection, for better or worse.

which means you contriibuted to us not having a judge which is the best possible scenerio for the mafia

[Narcizo]

Path also took a stance about being agaisnt judges, a villager move to me...wolves would want to seem as normal as possible, and he made a bold move in declaring his views. A first level analysis would be to see him say i dont think we should elect and say hes a big suspect(like you just did). A second level analysis would be to consider that a wolf wouldnt be so stupid(not one as experienced as path at least, i hope) as to put such a target on their back on day one.


Would a third level analysis be to assume that someone is going to make a second level analysis and try to gain trust that way?

"But it's so simple. All I have to do is divine from what I know of you: are you the sort of man who would put the poison into his own goblet or his enemy's? Now, a clever man would put the poison into his own goblet, because he would know that only a great fool would reach for what he was given. I am not a great fool, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But you must have known I was not a great fool, you would have counted on it, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me."

[Lathum]

OK, so there was a message on the UMB from one hacker to another asking to join forces and also saying hacking that target wsn't smart. ( I assume hoops) sooooooooooooooooooo, this leads to a few possibilities.

1. There are 3 hackers. I doubt this is true but why would one hacker say hoops was a bad target then go ahead and hack him?

2. There is one hacker messing with us.

3. This is a set up to throw us off.

[st.cronin]

I like the ideas Narcizo is putting out, the way he thinks is similar to the way I think. I'm confused, though - Narcizo, do you consider that list of Anxiety voters to be TRUSTED or SUSPICIOUS?

[st.cronin]

OK, so there was a message on the UMB from one hacker to another asking to join forces and also saying hacking that target wsn't smart. ( I assume hoops) sooooooooooooooooooo, this leads to a few possibilities.

1. There are 3 hackers. I doubt this is true but why would one hacker say hoops was a bad target then go ahead and hack him?

2. There is one hacker messing with us.

3. This is a set up to throw us off.

My guess is two hackers, one good, and one bad. Just a wag, though, nothing to go on.

[hoopsguy]

which means you contriibuted to us not having a judge which is the best possible scenerio for the mafia

Guilty as charged, although I was up-front about my vote early in the day. If the same scenario unfolds today and a candidate emerges that I didn't vote for I'll switch my vote to him if it doesn't seem to be an asinine choice.

[Barkeep49]

I'll give my two cents on whatever candidate is suggested. And will be willing to back some of them with a vote. Anxiety was an acceptable candidate to me yesterday, as was DaddyTorgo. But my vote was on the minority selection, for better or worse.
You've played quite the game so far hg. First you go viciously after me, such that I agree to drop out of the judge's race, so that we can make sure to get a judge. Looking over things I then thrust my support behind the candidate who you like the best. Enough momentum is built around this guy except we fall one vote short. Jeez.

[Narcizo]

I like the ideas Narcizo is putting out, the way he thinks is similar to the way I think. I'm confused, though - Narcizo, do you consider that list of Anxiety voters to be TRUSTED or SUSPICIOUS?

Well I'm on it.

I'd say moderately more trusted than the average although it's far from conclusive. Should it turn out that Anxiety is bad then anyone on the list would have to be viewed as suspicious, although we can't all be bad.

The capital letters are freaking me out though. Forgive me if I'm missing something here.

[st.cronin]

Enough momentum is built around this guy except we fall one vote short. Jeez.

Clearly not enough momentum. I cast a late vote for Anxiety, but I had repeatedly asked for people in thread to tell us who they had voted for. Very few people were willing to do so, and I was worried that I had voted for the wrong guy - that DT was the one with the momentum.

[Narcizo]

My guess is two hackers, one good, and one bad. Just a wag, though, nothing to go on.

I have difficulty seeing there being two neutral hackers. I can buy one being in the mob and one being neutral.

There's also the firewall expert guy, who I guess could be a "good hacker" role.

[st.cronin]

Well I'm on it.

I'd say moderately more trusted than the average although it's far from conclusive. Should it turn out that Anxiety is bad then anyone on the list would have to be viewed as suspicious, although we can't all be bad.

The capital letters are freaking me out though. Forgive me if I'm missing something here.

I use capital letters to EMPHASIZE the IMPORTANT WORDS in a sentence. That way the main idea is more clear - sometimes my grammar is a little opaque.

After your clarification, I think we're on the same page.

[DaddyTorgo]

I thought I had momentum too, so I voted for myself.

If we were all up-front about our judge votes then at least we'd have an idea of who had momentum and how many more votes they needed...

[Narcizo]

With Lathum and St Cronin, that seems to make it 10 people claiming they voted for or were going to vote for Anxiety.

[st.cronin]

With Lathum and St Cronin, that seems to make it 10 people claiming they voted for or were going to vote for Anxiety.

I was thinking that, too.

[Tyrith]

For today's judge vote I'm pretty ambivalent as to who we elected, excluding a couple of people who I talked about yesterday. Otherwise I'll jump behind the consensus candidate -- hoops, DT, blah blah?

[Barkeep49]

Good so we know at least one person on that list lied.

[st.cronin]

For today's judge vote I'm pretty ambivalent as to who we elected, excluding a couple of people who I talked about yesterday. Otherwise I'll jump behind the consensus candidate -- hoops, DT, blah blah?

Several people have already said they are voting for hoops. Barring any sort of revelation marking him as unfit, I think he's our only candidate.

[Narcizo]

I'm more "trusting" of people who stated who they were voting for before the results were announced.

We probably shouldn't get too bogged down in this anyway. I'm off home - I think people need to start committing their judge votes in public and we need to count them just like a lynch count. Just to reiterate that this isn't like a lynch vote though - we're not trying to catch the wolves out somehow by keeping the vote close. We're trying to get a judge.

I've stated that I'm going to be voting for hoopsguy as judge. I haven't cast my vote yet but unless I can be convinced that hoopsguy won't get the 10 votes necessary I will be voting for him.

I've got to go now and won't be back until, erm, around 20-6 = 14:00 EST or later.

[Tyrith]

Okay, I'm going to go ahead and send in my hoops vote now so I don't forget.

[st.cronin]

I'm going to go ahead and put a vote out. We know one of the people claiming to vote for Anxiety is lying. I was the last one to make that claim, fwiw. Lathum was the next to last. If somebody was going to lie about it, I think earlier would be better than later.

Additionally, Swaggs cast a late vote on ntndeacon.

If somebody can think of a better candidate, I'll change my vote.

vote Swaggs

[ImTheCrew]

ill vote for hoops, i'll wait to make sure he remians the leading canidate though

[ImTheCrew]

I'm going to go ahead and put a vote out. We know one of the people claiming to vote for Anxiety is lying. I was the last one to make that claim, fwiw. Lathum was the next to last. If somebody was going to lie about it, I think earlier would be better than later.

Additionally, Swaggs cast a late vote on ntndeacon.

If somebody can think of a better candidate, I'll change my vote.

vote Swaggs


is it bad to cast a late vote? i mean i casted a late vote because all day i was catching up, and i just waited to see who all was voting for who/why and i didnt catch or even read NTN "hints" nor did i realize the votes were so close, like i said earlier i would have changed my vote to Bsak if i had known it wouldnt have been a throw away.

[ImTheCrew]

ill vote for hoops, i'll wait to make sure he remians the leading canidate though


For Judge that is

[st.cronin]

is it bad to cast a late vote? i mean i casted a late vote because all day i was catching up, and i just waited to see who all was voting for who/why and i didnt catch or even read NTN "hints" nor did i realize the votes were so close, like i said earlier i would have changed my vote to Bsak if i had known it wouldnt have been a throw away.

Not neccesarily, it depends on the context.

[st.cronin]

I would certainly look at ITC and Swaggs tomorrow after I am gone. For those late votes after I said what I said earlier.

That's two games in a row where you've voted without giving a reason. It looks like ntn is gone, so this vote won't really amount to much, but here it is:

VOTE IMTHECREW

Some additional things to highlight from yesterday's action.

[hoopsguy]

Agreed - early or late vote is not, in and of itself, a value call. It is the context around the vote that starts to matter.

Yesterday when it turns out that the person who was killed had an important City role, and there were posts that could be construed as clues, then a late vote on the detective without explanation warrants further conversation more than an early vote on him like the one cast by SnDvls (to pick an example). Make sense?

[Swaggs]

I'm going to go ahead and put a vote out. We know one of the people claiming to vote for Anxiety is lying. I was the last one to make that claim, fwiw. Lathum was the next to last. If somebody was going to lie about it, I think earlier would be better than later.

Additionally, Swaggs cast a late vote on ntndeacon.

If somebody can think of a better candidate, I'll change my vote.

vote Swaggs

I did vote for Anxiety and my vote was one of the few in the edition of the newspaper that first revealed the early results. I have also said that I will vote for hoopsguy if we can build a consensus on him. I absolutely believe we need a judge in office and spent most of my few posts yesterday saying as much.

I will type this nice and big, so people can stop fixating on my late votes:

I work until after 7 PM EST during the week. I do not get home until nearly 8 PM EST. I rarely, if ever, have computer access while at work, because I am working in one-on-one situations with clients. If I am to participate in these WW games, I either have to cast an early vote, before I leave for work, or a late vote (after 8 PM EST + however much time it takes me to catch up).

I think it is silly and suspicious that a few of you are continually fixating on my late voting. You all know that I have played quite a few games of WW and would hope that, even if you don't like me, you would think that I am a decent enough player that I would not post a late vote nearly simultaneously with another player, voting for the same target, if I were doing anything devious.

I have a fairly useless blue collar job and $200 in the bank. I have tried to help identify the pros and cons of the judge position and urged everyone to claim their vote, early in the day yesterday and again today. If you think I am a good candidate, maybe I need to look a lot closer at you. And perhaps you can tell us a little more about what it is that you do?

[st.cronin]

Its not the late vote, per se, Swaggs. I don't think there's ever been a game where I was suspicious of you, for that or any other reason - I'm not your nemesis. And like you I have a busy day ahead of me, so I wanted to get a vote in. I'm perfectly happy to move it to a better candidate. I'm simply using occam's razor - we know one (at a minimum) of the people claiming to vote for Anxiety is lying.

For now, I think you and ITC are the best candidates.

[Swaggs]

Its not the late vote, per se, Swaggs. I don't think there's ever been a game where I was suspicious of you, for that or any other reason - I'm not your nemesis. And like you I have a busy day ahead of me, so I wanted to get a vote in. I'm perfectly happy to move it to a better candidate. I'm simply using occam's razor - we know one (at a minimum) of the people claiming to vote for Anxiety is lying.

For now, I think you and ITC are the best candidates.

I think it is foolish to think that I, as a veteran player, would vote at the exact same time for the exact same person with another player. Don't you think I have been a wolf often enough to have that better coordinated?

Also, what is it that you do, exactly? (in case you missed that question in the first go-around)

[st.cronin]

I think it is foolish to think that I, as a veteran player, would vote at the exact same time for the exact same person with another player. Don't you think I have been a wolf often enough to have that better coordinated?

Also, what is it that you do, exactly? (in case you missed that question in the first go-around)

Sorry, I'm not revealing my role at this time. It's foolish to think that I, as a veteran player, would make things so easy for the wolves. You've only got one vote on you, and I've said its not a vote I'm married to. Do you think ITC is a better candidate? Who else pings your radar? Give me something to go on, other than being all defensive.

[ImTheCrew]

how many people didnt vote for lynch, was it just king?

[st.cronin]

I think everybody voted for lynch - king said he didn't vote for a judge (iirc). There were 2 others who also didn't vote for a judge (again, iirc).

[hoopsguy]

Yeah, King was the only non-vote for lynch. There were three non-votes for judge, although we have no way of verifying who those were.

[ImTheCrew]

st cronin are you going with hoopsguy for judge?

[st.cronin]

st cronin are you going with hoopsguy for judge?

yep

[Swaggs]

Sorry, I'm not revealing my role at this time. It's foolish to think that I, as a veteran player, would make things so easy for the wolves. You've only got one vote on you, and I've said its not a vote I'm married to. Do you think ITC is a better candidate? Who else pings your radar? Give me something to go on, other than being all defensive.

Here is what I think:

The most important thing we can do, right now, is find a judge because he offers us a considerable amount of power in a day action that we can monitor. I think hoopsguy is a good choice, at this point. I have reason to believe he is, at worst, not evil.

I have my eye on two players for lynch right now, based on the way they acted/said things yesterday (I need to see more from them, before naming anyone) and two more that I would be alright with if we voted for them (Blade and Chief), as I know they are not on the side of good and I think their actions will be detrimental to our side, at some point.

I'd hate to vote for Chief because his role is fun to have in the game and it isn't really fair to kill him because he has a public role, but I also have to believe that he is holding on to and has access to a large chunk of money and, at some point, that money is going to become attractive to someone and end up in the wrong hands.

I would rather not vote for Blade, as I don't think he is bad (although he could be playing it up, a bit), but if his frustration with losing his money and his chance at a major win was sincere yesterday, I don't really think he is out to help anyone, but Blade. And, in that case, I'd rather give our potential seers and detectives another day to collect information, rather than taking a random stab at a mafia member.

Maybe not the most popular opinions to be speaking aloud about, but that is where my thought process is right now.

[ImTheCrew]

why has no one said anything about JE's late vote for me if he hadnt done that it would have been atleast a tie

[path12]

why has no one said anything about JE's late vote for me if he hadnt done that it would have been atleast a tie

I have, and he is somewhat down on my trust list also.

[st.cronin]

why has no one said anything about JE's late vote for me if he hadnt done that it would have been atleast a tie

I pointed it out earlier this morning.

[ImTheCrew]

i cant find it Cronin do you know the post #

[st.cronin]

post #790

[hoopsguy]

ImTheCrew, I noted Jonathan's vote when I did my recap's of yesterday's vote. It was one of the ones that stood out the most to me and he would be on my short list of people to vote for right now.

With the nature of information flow - that actions can take place over 24 hours instead of just at night - I'm hoping that more information emerges to help with a voting choice. I get that some folks have other commitments that will potentially keep them from being here to act on that info, and won't begrudge that. But I'm not in rush-to-judgement mode yet today.

Except, of course, for Barkeep49. I don't trust that guy.

[st.cronin]

Except, of course, for Barkeep49. I don't trust that guy.

What about Barkeep48?

[ImTheCrew]

What about Barkeep48?
lol has he stated why hes putting the whole name?

[hoopsguy]

Yeah, I'll find the post if you are interested.

[hoopsguy]

hoops, you have now avoided the question twice...why are you referring to people by their proper names this game?

ooc: For my own amusement, more than anything else. There is no role-based motive for doing so - I don't get "points" for sticking a 6119 on your name or anything like that

ic: As a way to get people to frigging call me hoopsguy from time to time, instead of hoops, or H, or h-guy, or whatever the flavor of the month is in these parts. I like full names, and you should like yours as well since you signed up for it when you first arrived at Ef O'Efcee.

re: full name usage.

[ImTheCrew]

re: full name usage.
oh ok i see, what does OOC mean

[st.cronin]

ic = in character
ooc = out of character

Its not clear to me what character hoops is trying to portray, though.

[LoneStarGirl]

Its not the late vote, per se, Swaggs. I don't think there's ever been a game where I was suspicious of you, for that or any other reason - I'm not your nemesis. And like you I have a busy day ahead of me, so I wanted to get a vote in. I'm perfectly happy to move it to a better candidate. I'm simply using occam's razor - we know one (at a minimum) of the people claiming to vote for Anxiety is lying.

For now, I think you and ITC are the best candidates.

I agree that Swaggs is a good candidate for todays judge but with his busy schedule he wouldn't be able to sign warrants or any of the judgy duties until late, so I won't be voting for him today. I definitly wont be voting for DC, Blade or Hoops just because they are all pros at being bad and I dont feel like being tricked this game.

[st.cronin]

I agree that Swaggs is a good candidate for todays judge but with his busy schedule he wouldn't be able to sign warrants or any of the judgy duties until late, so I won't be voting for him today. I definitly wont be voting for DC, Blade or Hoops just because they are all pros at being bad and I dont feel like being tricked this game.

Wow, did you misunderstand what I was doing. My vote for Swaggs was for LYNCH.

[LoneStarGirl]

Okay well I read Cronin's post wrong, He thinks swaggs is good for a lynch candidate, not Judge. So we disagree there. I am leaning towards JE or path for today because JE did have a vote for ITC, who is an amateur and Path because i dont like him ;)

[Swaggs]

Yo Alan!

Where's my paper?

[Swaggs]

Hmmm.... it would suck if there is a paperboy or reporter job and they got killed...

[LoneStarGirl]

gotcha Cronin. I am grading papers at the same time.

[Alan T]

The Big City Herald
Volume 8

Big East Meet

The first NCAA men's bball matchup in the Big City Arena was a huge hit, so on short notice it appears that a second deal was reached and another game will be seen there tonight. 7pm EST Villanova meets University of Connecticut. For those that plan on attending the game, the first 2000 fans will receive a free Schmidty bobblehead doll.

Pickpocket gives the Police the finger

Well the fingerprint at least. The Big City Police deparment reported today that they were able to identify various fingerprints at a recent crime scene. Currently the owner of the fingerprint is still unknown, but the detectives appear to be making progress in the case.

Big City Court, Night edition

Over night, a grass roots campaign appears to have propelled an early leader for the city's open judge seat. It appears one candidate has received 66.7% of all votes cast today thus far. Still not even half way to having enough votes to be elected, it at least is a promising sign that the citizens want change.

[st.cronin]

Hilarious that somebody has voted for a judge other than hoops.

[Abe Sargent]

I have officially voted hooops as our judge

[ImTheCrew]

Ive Voted for Hoops aswell

[SnDvls]

I'm sending in my hoops vote now as well

[path12]

Nothing like peer pressure to drive a secret ballot.

[Dr. Sak]

Chances are a few of these people are lying

[path12]

Can someone inform me exactly what hoo has done to warrant judgeship besides being careless with his computer?

Besides having Cronin push his candidacy with vague threats that anyone not following orders is either obtuse or evil........

[LoneStarGirl]

I am not going to vote for him right now.

[Swaggs]

I voted for hoopsguy before the paper came out.

[Swaggs]

Can someone inform me exactly what hoo has done to warrant judgeship besides being careless with his computer?

Besides having Cronin push his candidacy with vague threats that anyone not following orders is either obtuse or evil........

Based on what knowledge is available for the judge, I believe we will have a good understanding as to what decisions he/she makes. If he/she acts against the public, we can vote them out and look to lynch them. I believe those two checks will keep most judges on the up-and-up. Going another day without a judge is going to hurt us down the road, as we are cutting off our opportunities.

The Big City Judge:

During the course of each day, a judge may issue one of each type of actions:

1) Issue search warrant [Include location]
2) Issue arrest warrant [Include player]
3) Sentence/Free player [include player.] (Player must have previously been arrested.)

A warrant is only good until the following day cycle ends. A Warrant issued at 8:59pm EST on Tuesday will be valid until 9:00pm EST on Wednesday. A warrant issued at 9:01pm EST on Tuesday will be valid until 9:00pm EST on Thursday. Any arrested player must be sentenced by the game cycle following their arrest, or they will automatically be set free. A player arrested at 8:59pm EST on Tuesday must be sentenced by 9:00pm EST on Wednesday or they will be set free. A player arrested at 9:01pm EST on Tuesday must be sentenced by 9:00pm EST on Thursday night or they will be set free.

When a player is sentenced guilty, they will be removed from the game regardless of what the sentence is for.

[Tyrith]

I can now confirm there are at least three different detectives that have been in the game at some point.

[Marathoner]

Busy day, not sure if I will make it back in. I am still not convince BK is a mafioso, but I have no one better to choose from.

VOTE BARKEEP49

Sent in judge vote for hoopsguy too.

[Tyrith]

Can someone inform me exactly what hoo has done to warrant judgeship besides being careless with his computer?

Besides having Cronin push his candidacy with vague threats that anyone not following orders is either obtuse or evil........

He was a candidate we could seem to agree on. And it also gives us someone very specific to blame if he screws up (looking at you cronin).

[Lathum]

FWIW I voted for myself early yesterday and then unvoted myself and voted anxiety.

I am not sold on hoops being the judge but it appears a runaway at this point so that is probably where my vote will go.

[path12]

I'd feel better if the people driving the candidacy were people I actually had some modicum of trust for. But hey, that's just me.

[path12]

Dola, that's not a reflection on hoo, I have no opinion on him either way.

[SnDvls]

Can someone inform me exactly what hoo has done to warrant judgeship besides being careless with his computer?

Besides having Cronin push his candidacy with vague threats that anyone not following orders is either obtuse or evil........

I'm going off what a lot of others are saying that seems very reasonable to me.

if he was bad would he really call the cops? I don't think he would
so that bumps him up a notch for me.

[Lathum]

I'm going off what a lot of others are saying that seems very reasonable to me.

if he was bad would he really call the cops? I don't think he would
so that bumps him up a notch for me.

OF course he would so that people think exacly what you are thinking.

[SnDvls]

OF course he would so that people think exacly what you are thinking.

I guess I'm just niave or dumb then to think that way then. I think we will see if he is elected with how he performs his duties.

[Swaggs]

I'd feel better if the people driving the candidacy were people I actually had some modicum of trust for. But hey, that's just me.

I don't think you are evil or anything, but you are doing a good job of sitting back, relaxing, and then second guessing in this game.

You and a hanful of other guys apparently recognized beforehand that we were preparing to lynch a detective, which some of us clearly missed unless you think everyone that voted for ntn was mafia.

Today, you have been on and not pushed or promoted anyone for judge and now that someone has emerged, you are second guessing that, as well.

How about putting some opinions or information out there, for the rest of us beforehand, so that you can have a little bit of say in the decision making process in this city and then you can also have some accountability if you make mistakes, as well.

[Tyrith]

I don't think you are evil or anything, but you are doing a good job of sitting back, relaxing, and then second guessing in this game.

You and a hanful of other guys apparently recognized beforehand that we were preparing to lynch a detective, which some of us clearly missed unless you think everyone that voted for ntn was mafia.

Today, you have been on and not pushed or promoted anyone for judge and now that someone has emerged, you are second guessing that, as well.

How about putting some opinions or information out there, for the rest of us beforehand, so that you can have a little bit of say in the decision making process in this city and then you can also have some accountability if you make mistakes, as well.

Seconded.

[Swaggs]

Dola, that's not a reflection on hoo, I have no opinion on him either way.

A perfect and timely example of exactly what I am talking about in my prior post.

Why don't you form an opinion on him and share it with the rest of us? That is all that any of us have to work from.

If you don't have an opinion on him being a good judge, who would make a good judge and why?

You can sit back and play your violin while the city burns, or you can do something about it before it is too late.

[Chief Rum]

BETTING IS CLOSED!!!

The bettors have spoken and today's game will pick Villanova to go into UConn and pull out the win. It figures to be a tough game. Nova has been more generally impressive this season and are the older, more tested team. UConn is younger, has eeked out more than its fair share of wins, and has been inconcistent. But, like Oklahoma State, they are desperate and need the win. Will it be enough? The bettors say no.

Good luck everyone!

[path12]

I don't think you are evil or anything, but you are doing a good job of sitting back, relaxing, and then second guessing in this game.

You and a hanful of other guys apparently recognized beforehand that we were preparing to lynch a detective, which some of us clearly missed unless you think everyone that voted for ntn was mafia.

Today, you have been on and not pushed or promoted anyone for judge and now that someone has emerged, you are second guessing that, as well.

How about putting some opinions or information out there, for the rest of us beforehand, so that you can have a little bit of say in the decision making process in this city and then you can also have some accountability if you make mistakes, as well.

You don't think I've had opinions? I've hardly been sitting back relaxing here, what I've been trying to do (without any apparent success) is to point out a couple of things:

First, it is in the interest of the bad guys to set one of their own up as judge.

Second, there are a lot of very smart and experienced players who let what seems to be to have been a pretty obvious hint go by.....and I'm the first to admit that I miss a lot of hints. I found it even more suspicious how quickly some of those people (who normally jump all over these things) were willing to give those who ensured that lynch a pass.

Third, some of those very same people who were poo-pooing the lynch are now driving the idea that everyone must fall into place and vote for hoops and if not you are somehow against either law and order or evil.......this goes back to point one, that there is nothing the bad guys would like more than to have one of theirs in that spot.

Since nobody else is apparently willing to point this out, I've taken it onto myself.

As for who I think might be a better choice than the person Cronin (who I do not trust) is pushing for?

DaddyTorgo switched his vote after the ntn reveal. That's one. I still think Blade is the one of the nearest people we have to a known good. That's another.

[Chief Rum]

VOTE BARKEEP

I don't have very many candidates I like for lynching, so I will go today with the guy who badmouthed the business yesterday and got some talk from others. I would switch in a second if a stronger candidate emerged. But I am leaving for the day. Nothing to do about that.

Also, I sent in a vote for hoops.

[path12]

You can sit back and play your violin while the city burns, or you can do something about it before it is too late.

Or you can all just continue to sheepishly follow the herd and avoid making decisions for yourself.

[Tyrith]

Or you can all just continue to sheepishly follow the herd and avoid making decisions for yourself.

As opposed to you, who can continue to insist on not following the herd, not getting a judge elected, and not presenting any kind of alternatives :P

[Swaggs]

You don't think I've had opinions? I've hardly been sitting back relaxing here, what I've been trying to do (without any apparent success) is to point out a couple of things:

First, it is in the interest of the bad guys to set one of their own up as judge.

Second, there are a lot of very smart and experienced players who let what seems to be to have been a pretty obvious hint go by.....and I'm the first to admit that I miss a lot of hints. I found it even more suspicious how quickly some of those people (who normally jump all over these things) were willing to give those who ensured that lynch a pass.

Third, some of those very same people who were poo-pooing the lynch are now driving the idea that everyone must fall into place and vote for hoops and if not you are somehow against either law and order or evil.......this goes back to point one, that there is nothing the bad guys would like more than to have one of theirs in that spot.

Since nobody else is apparently willing to point this out, I've taken it onto myself.

As for who I think might be a better choice than the person Cronin (who I do not trust) is pushing for?

DaddyTorgo switched his vote after the ntn reveal. That's one. I still think Blade is the one of the nearest people we have to a known good. That's another.

I disagree about the mafia wanting one of their own as a judge. I think they would prefer to do exactly what they did yesterday, have a frontrunner with a few other players in the running as a anonymous tossaway votes. If one of their own acts as judge, they would have to answer to the masses if they make poor decisions. No judge is better than a mafia controlled judge, in my opinion.

It is good that you have finally tossed your support behind someone for judge, but you very well know that you should have declared that you liked DT or Blade yesterday and really pushed for him from the beginning of the cycle if you wanted one of them to have a chance. I think DT would be a solid choice, as well. I think hoops will be fine and, as I said earlier, I think he is, at worst, a neutral player in this game. Blade, I'm not so sure of, based on some of his comments yesterday (which could have been legitimate or could have been dekes).

I disagree about it being an obvious hint. In the midst of what everyone else was saying, it was not obvious to me and many others. If ntn or anyone else clearly saw that he was going down and did nothing about it, I question that choice. Yes, it would suck to have an outted detective, but it is preferable to a deceased detective. There were several of us on near the deadline that could have swung things in the last 15 minutes, when it was apparent that it was likely to be ntn.

[Tyrith]

Also, I'd like to point out we've had two lynch votes for BK snuck in here without anyone really commenting.

[Tyrith]

No way the mafia actually want one of their own as a judge. From what I can tell behind the scenes there is a lot of information to be had and it'd be very easy for a judge in power to have their entire past sniffed out and dumped on the front lawn for us all to see.

[Swaggs]

Or you can all just continue to sheepishly follow the herd and avoid making decisions for yourself.

Whatever man. I have been pushing to get a judge elected since the beginning of the game and pointing out the benefits of doing so. If you sit around and wait half of the cycle before pushing for one person to get a majority, we'll be sitting around doing the same thing on Day 5. We need to cohesively get behind one candidate and get them elected or we're going to keep ending up without a judge and no one will be able to hold the mafia accountable. As I and others have pointed out, the judge is going to have to act with some level of transparency, or we will know that they are corrupt and have reason to lynch them. That is a check that gives us all power.

Instead, you act like you would rather have no judge than risk having a mafia member elected, even though we can hold the judge accountable.

[DaddyTorgo]

hmmm

if people want to put me up for the judgeship opposite hoops that's fine. But let's decide if that's actually viable before we give the mafia a chance to use my candidacy to hide votes.

I agree that the 2 votes for BK are suspicious, moreso since CR voted for him yesterday as well from what I remember.

But I wouldn't think BOTH of those people are mafioso. One of them possibly though.

[path12]

I'm actually leaning towards Blade for my judge vote. Go figure.

I never throw my vote away. I vote for who I want to vote for. Whether anyone agrees with it is not really my concern.

For the record, I think it's a decent choice. I'm reasonably confident he's not mafia, and there is no better place for him to be accountable to the rest of us. If he does something we don't like, we vote him out.

It is good that you have finally tossed your support behind someone for judge, but you very well know that you should have declared that you liked DT or Blade yesterday

Just for the record. We can agree to disagree on our belief on how badly the bad guys would like one of their own in the chair.

[Abe Sargent]

I disagree about the mafia wanting one of their own as a judge. I think they would prefer to do exactly what they did yesterday, have a frontrunner with a few other players in the running as a anonymous tossaway votes. If one of their own acts as judge, they would have to answer to the masses if they make poor decisions. No judge is better than a mafia controlled judge, in my opinion.

It is good that you have finally tossed your support behind someone for judge, but you very well know that you should have declared that you liked DT or Blade yesterday and really pushed for him from the beginning of the cycle if you wanted one of them to have a chance. I think DT would be a solid choice, as well. I think hoops will be fine and, as I said earlier, I think he is, at worst, a neutral player in this game. Blade, I'm not so sure of, based on some of his comments yesterday (which could have been legitimate or could have been dekes).

I disagree about it being an obvious hint. In the midst of what everyone else was saying, it was not obvious to me and many others. If ntn or anyone else clearly saw that he was going down and did nothing about it, I question that choice. Yes, it would suck to have an outted detective, but it is preferable to a deceased detective. There were several of us on near the deadline that could have swung things in the last 15 minutes, when it was apparent that it was likely to be ntn.

Yesterday, at the beginning of Day One he wouldn't have had the same info.

[Swaggs]

hmmm

if people want to put me up for the judgeship opposite hoops that's fine. But let's decide if that's actually viable before we give the mafia a chance to use my candidacy to hide votes.

I agree that the 2 votes for BK are suspicious, moreso since CR voted for him yesterday as well from what I remember.

But I wouldn't think BOTH of those people are mafioso. One of them possibly though.

DT, nothing against you. I would be willing to support and vote for you, if you had drawn support and made your intentions really clear early today or (even better) last night.

But right now, entertaining two candidates is going to lead us nowhere if we need a majority to elect a judge. If you and hoops split the vote, at all, the mafia will be able to cast a few throwaway votes and keep us without a judge again.

I urge you to not do this. If we fall short today, I will be more than willing to support you tomorrow.

[Swaggs]

Yesterday, at the beginning of Day One he wouldn't have had the same info.

I don't follow?

[DaddyTorgo]

DT, nothing against you. I would be willing to support and vote for you, if you had drawn support and made your intentions really clear early today or (even better) last night.

But right now, entertaining two candidates is going to lead us nowhere if we need a majority to elect a judge. If you and hoops split the vote, at all, the mafia will be able to cast a few throwaway votes and keep us without a judge again.

I urge you to not do this. If we fall short today, I will be more than willing to support you tomorrow.

I had assumed that I was the logical choice for a second candidate which is why I hadn't said anything earlier.

Like I said though, I'd rather we get a judge elected, whoever it may be. That wasn't me campaigning for votes just now. It was just me saying "let's decide on a candidate and then unite behind them."

[Abe Sargent]

No way the mafia actually want one of their own as a judge. From what I can tell behind the scenes there is a lot of information to be had and it'd be very easy for a judge in power to have their entire past sniffed out and dumped on the front lawn for us all to see.

So, in other words, by your logic - everybody who volunteered to be a judge is cleared?

[Abe Sargent]

So, in other words, by your logic - everybody who volunteered to be a judge is cleared?

I mean cleared to some degree - not full proof obviously. But clear to yor mind.

[Lathum]

OK, I submitted my vote for H--PSG--Y for judge.

[Abe Sargent]

I disagree about the mafia wanting one of their own as a judge. I think they would prefer to do exactly what they did yesterday, have a frontrunner with a few other players in the running as a anonymous tossaway votes. If one of their own acts as judge, they would have to answer to the masses if they make poor decisions. No judge is better than a mafia controlled judge, in my opinion.


Again, same question as Tyrith - following your logic, those that volunteered for judgeship are very unlikely to be wolves, correct?

[Abe Sargent]

OK, I submitted my vote for H--PSG--Y for judge.

PSG - that's gonna be my new name for hoops for a while. PSG.

Pet Shop Girls!


-Anxiety

[Lathum]

ha!!

I do want to go on record as saying I think Blade would be a better choice.

[path12]

No judge is better than a mafia controlled judge, in my opinion.

Wait a minute. Isn't this what I've been saying all along?

[Tyrith]

So, in other words, by your logic - everybody who volunteered to be a judge is cleared?

No, because volunteering for judge and pushing for a judge are different things. It's possible hoops is bad and we kind of forced him into it. However, a giant mafia push to get one of their own in power seems like it would do nothing more than get them into trouble. And most of the people that volunteered for judge never had any chance of being elected.

[Swaggs]

Again, same question as Tyrith - following your logic, those that volunteered for judgeship are very unlikely to be wolves, correct?

I wouldn't say they are all cleared. I believe that the mafia would much rather have no judge than a judge that is mafia-controlled, though. I don't think they would want a judge, as a judge can sentence people out of the game, basically giving us an opportunity to knock out two of them in one day. And, if one of their own is a judge, they would have to act appropriately or gain suspicion.

I would most closely look at the throwaway votes, particularly after we try to come to a consensus on who we are supporting as a group, to see if they did just enough to keep a judge from coming into office.

[Tyrith]

Personally I'd rather have a mafia controlled judge than no judge because we WILL smoke out a mafia judge and there will be evidence all over the place, which we can use to gather further information and roll up a lot of the team.

[Swaggs]

Wait a minute. Isn't this what I've been saying all along?

Out of context.

I think that the mafia would rather have no judge than a mafia-controlled judge. No judge = no sentencing. A mafia judge = maybe more lenient sentencing, but more scrutiny on one of their own, in a game they need to even numbers to win.

I, personally, would rather have any judge, than no judge. Even if we elect a mafia-controlled judge, his actions will be telling.

[Swaggs]

Personally I'd rather have a mafia controlled judge than no judge because we WILL smoke out a mafia judge and there will be evidence all over the place, which we can use to gather further information and roll up a lot of the team.

Looks like you and I are on the same track here, except you said it in far fewer words.

[Swaggs]

I have to leave in about 10 minutes... won't be back until around 8 PM EST.

And, I will be voting late. :)

[st.cronin]

Barkeep is now the vote leader, for no reason that I have seen. Fascinating.

[st.cronin]

Also Blade has not said one word today.

[Lathum]

VOTE JONATHAN E

He has been much quieter then usual and his seemingly throw away vote are enough for me to give him my vote.

[Lathum]

Also Blade has not said one word today.

IIRC he is in school alot during the day

[st.cronin]

IIRC he is in school alot during the day

He was pretty noisy yesterday, during the day iirc.

[Lathum]

He was pretty noisy yesterday, during the day iirc.

dunno, maybe he had a snow day yesterday :)

[SnDvls]

dunno, maybe he had a snow day yesterday :)

ya all that snow we get here in AZ ;)

[SnDvls]

dola -
it gets pretty chipper here, but not snow

[Lathum]

:D

[st.cronin]

So Chief Rum and Marathoner cast votes for Barkeep. Chief Rum's vote is marginally understandable given how he has described his role. Marathoner's vote is just baffling. No reason given at all: Perhaps he was hoping to inspire a lynch mob?

I have no feel on Barkeep either way, it's just a very odd vote.

[Blade6119]

IIRC he is in school alot during the day

He was pretty noisy yesterday, during the day iirc.

If you read, i told you all monday what my schedule was like. To reiterate to cronin, i have classes monday wednesday and friday(though a lot shorter on fridays). Tuesday and thursday im totally free.

Thank you for that lathum, cronin was just trying to get me before i got here to go after him.

[Narcizo]

Personally I'd rather have a mafia controlled judge than no judge because we WILL smoke out a mafia judge and there will be evidence all over the place, which we can use to gather further information and roll up a lot of the team.

Bingo!

I also very much doubt the mafia would risk putting 1/3 or 4 of their numbers out in the open at this stage of the game. Later on, yeah, but not now.

I am now definitely voting hoopsguy for judge.

And if you follow this logic I really don't understand the argument that someone who declared early for Anxiety yesterday would be a bad guy. You might argue that they would be trying to mislead people about the number of votes but they also run the risk of starting a bandwagon, which is exactly what good guys want.

We need 10 votes from, probably, 14 good guys. If we don't get a judge soon we're never going to get one. We can't afford to split the vote. We can't afford to wait and see. Tomorrow we could be down to needing 9 votes from 12 good guys.

[Blade6119]

My day action is sent in, and cronin was my target. Ill let you know what i found out if its worth noting in comparison to my DT target

[Tyrith]

The thing is that I would find Marathoner's vote much less suspicious than CR's in a vacuum, because we did talk about BK yesterday and CR put the second vote on someone. As it stands if nothing else happens I'm willing to write it off as a bunch of nothing....for now.

[hoopsguy]

I think the reasons to vote Barkeep49 from yesterday (when I voted for him) are still there - his conflicting statements about his wealth being the most noteworthy.

I have no problem with path12 questioning my judge candidacy - I know I would do the same if certain people were nominated. But I would encourage people to pick an alternate quickly if we are considering going in that direction.

[st.cronin]

If you read, i told you all monday what my schedule was like. To reiterate to cronin, i have classes monday wednesday and friday(though a lot shorter on fridays). Tuesday and thursday im totally free.

Thank you for that lathum, cronin was just trying to get me before i got here to go after him.

Trying to get you? I guess you didn't actually notice who I voted for.

[Blade6119]

VOTE ST. CRONIN

With a day action pending, it may yet change...before i get results back though, hes still far and away my top suspect

[Blade6119]

Trying to get you? I guess you didn't actually notice who I voted for.

I noticed who you voted for, and you didnt vote me day one. This may sound odd, but i would have trusted you more had you voted me back. Your seeming desire to avoid a face-off or the spotlight makes me doubt you more. It may be confusing, but thats where i stand

[hoopsguy]

Blade6119, a couple of questions about your abilities - not that I'm expecting an answer, but maybe I'll be surprised:
1. Are your abilities based on spending cash?
2. Were you wiped out yesterday or just diminished in bankroll?

Just wondering how you are collecting information on people if it is money based and you are broke.

[st.cronin]

I noticed who you voted for, and you didnt vote me day one. This may sound odd, but i would have trusted you more had you voted me back. Your seeming desire to avoid a face-off or the spotlight makes me doubt you more. It may be confusing, but thats where i stand

Very confusing. You're suggesting I ignore several decent candidates to vote for the one player who is semi-cleared? That's about insane.

[Blade6119]

Blade6119, a couple of questions about your abilities - not that I'm expecting an answer, but maybe I'll be surprised:
1. Are your abilities based on spending cash?
2. Were you wiped out yesterday or just diminished in bankroll?

Just wondering how you are collecting information on people if it is money based and you are broke.
My ability itself is not based on cash...im looking for an item. But once i found i had to be able to purchase it to reaps its benefits, which i can no longer do(to answer your second question) as i was reduced to a small amount(<100). I am now forced to bet to have any hope of making it back, and id imagine i will be dead before i even get close. Im on the look-out for a new job, so anyone with a lot of cash might want to stay on the look-out for my job opening up

[Blade6119]

Very confusing. You're suggesting I ignore several decent candidates to vote for the one player who is semi-cleared? That's about insane.

You seem to be ignoring that person when it comes the the judge to vote for whoever you do that is not cleared(hoops i think). So forgive me if i dont exactly take you at your word, as you saying you take one approach while i see you taking another(granted, in a different vote)

[st.cronin]

You seem to be ignoring that person when it comes the the judge to vote for whoever you do that is not cleared(hoops i think). So forgive me if i dont exactly take you at your word, as you saying you take one approach while i see you taking another(granted, in a different vote)

I would have pushed for you if I thought we could get consensus. There were a number of people who were dead-set against you being a judge on day 1.

Pushing for you as a judge (as path in fact did) is to me a very wolfish play. It would be a way to create division in the village, and possibly put off any judge being elected for another day or so.

[Narcizo]

I'm leaning towards voting ImTheCrew at the moment. Unless I'm mistaken he's fairly new playing WW and seems to be acting exactly like a new wolf would play - trying to gauge and go with the consensus and not stick out at all. As far as I can see the lynch vote in day one makes Swaggs and ITC the most suspicious people. I'm prepared to give Swaggs the benefit of the doubt for announcing for Anxiety so early, naive as that may make me seem. ITC has done nothing to make me trust him and has acted suspiciously in my mind.

[Blade6119]

I would have pushed for you if I thought we could get consensus. There were a number of people who were dead-set against you being a judge on day 1.

Pushing for you as a judge (as path in fact did) is to me a very wolfish play. It would be a way to create division in the village, and possibly put off any judge being elected for another day or so.

Well this was a post that moved you a bit up my list...my day action is still coming, so you and i will soon know if i can trust you more

[Blade6119]

So cronin, what kind of role did you say you had?

[st.cronin]

So cronin, what kind of role did you say you had?

I have not said, and will not. For the moment.

[Blade6119]

Or if anyone has any posts by cronin talking about his situation, id like if they could quote them for me. Im doing a comparison between DT and cronin in my head right now

[Blade6119]

I have not said, and will not. For the moment.
Did you enjoy our fight in the cafe?

[st.cronin]

Not really. You are quite the boor, you know. Somebody really ought to teach you some manners.

[st.cronin]

Anyway, I don't know what you were looking for, but I hope you got some satisfaction out of it.

I am 100% NOT aligned with the mafia. Nor am I neutral. So there.

[Blade6119]

Not really. You are quite the boor, you know. Somebody really ought to teach you some manners.
Indeed, i apologize for interrupting you meal...you started the fussing though, the PM is quite clear on that :p

[st.cronin]

I will be back in about 3 hours.

[Blade6119]

Anyway, I don't know what you were looking for, but I hope you got some satisfaction out of it.

See, here is one of the reasons im still skeptical...DT knew exactly what i was looking for, and complied with me. He can attest to that, and did when he talked about it.

You didnt co-operate, and you have no idea what i was looking for...im trying to decide if it is just Alan having fun with our pre-action arguing or if it means something

[Blade6119]

And there was a difference in what i found with both of you, but i only have 2 samples and not nearly enough data to understand if it means anything

[Narcizo]

Ok ITC was here and disappeared around the time of my post. I don't have much of a voting window left open to me so I'm going to go ahead and

vote ImTheCrew

[hoopsguy]

If Blade6119 is a law-abiding, good hearted citizen then I'm guessing he is going to find trouble based on his different results from the players involved. I will go out on a limb and suggest that one of them might have something to hide.

I'll be interested watchin' how this situation plays itself out ...

[Abe Sargent]

This hissy fight brought to you by Vita Cola - the coke of East Germany.

[Blade6119]

If Blade6119 is a law-abiding, good hearted citizen then I'm guessing he is going to find trouble based on his different results from the players involved. I will go out on a limb and suggest that one of them might have something to hide.

I'll be interested watchin' how this situation plays itself out ...

I expected different results from different roles...thats not really anything that damns anyone in my eyes. Just like how players have different amounts of money or actions, players have different items.

Im sure if i looked at myself it would be different as well...

I am quite sure i will be dead soon though, as i explained early i look too much like a seer(and sound like one now too). Evil wont take chances that maybe i really am the seer.

Im weighing the privacy of DT and cronin vs. taking the info to my grave

[Blade6119]

I think, from what i know, my position and vote on cronin has been strengthened. There are a very few roles i think he could have, and one of them is evil. The fact we argued tips it that way, and for me he is my best target. I have pretty much no idea about everyone else, and DT has in comparison gone further up my trust list, so my vote on cronin is firm.

[Blade6119]

Ive got class again now, ill be back in a few hours. Id like to see some pressure put on cronin, as id like for him to tell me more about himself and see how it stacks up with what i learned

[kingfc22]

I'm at work and browsing on my phone. Hopefully I'll get a chance to catch up on my lunch and cast a lynch vote.

[Alan T]

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[Tyrith]

With all these security threats I think if I had a computer I'd try to throw it in a lake or something.

[Narcizo]

I'm off to bed. I've seen nothing that would want to make me change my vote, so it remains on ImTheCrew. Sorry about having to disappear before the action really gets started on any day.

Please remember than any judge is better than no judge.

[hoopsguy]

It has gotten pretty quiet around here this afternoon compared to yesterday. Did people shoot their wad on Day 1 and are now scrounging for cash?

[Tyrith]

It has gotten pretty quiet around here this afternoon compared to yesterday. Did people shoot their wad on Day 1 and are now scrounging for cash?

I just have no idea who to vote for. The top person on my list is JE, but I'm generally clueless. I might still go for cronin if that develops some more.

[DaddyTorgo]

It has gotten pretty quiet around here this afternoon compared to yesterday. Did people shoot their wad on Day 1 and are now scrounging for cash?

ditto what tyrith said. there just havn't been any major developments it hasn't seemed like

*shrug* ah well, i should be around till lynch, excepting dinner and a run out for coffee, so i'm going to hold my vote for now

[Marathoner]

So Chief Rum and Marathoner cast votes for Barkeep. Chief Rum's vote is marginally understandable given how he has described his role. Marathoner's vote is just baffling. No reason given at all: Perhaps he was hoping to inspire a lynch mob?

I have no feel on Barkeep either way, it's just a very odd vote.

I voted for BK due to his contradictory statements on day 1. I have seen nothing to change my mind, but my feelings about him are not strong.

[ImTheCrew]

i wont be back till after 9 so my vote will be and will remain

VOTE JE

for voting for me when he could have atleast voted for Bsak and tied the count

[path12]

VOTE SWAGGS

For the late vote on ntn after the reveal. I'm willing to give ITC the benefit of the doubt as a newer player. Swaggs should have known better.

[Tyrith]

Path is rapidly rising on my distrust list because of his insistence on his "reveal" theory.

[path12]

Path is rapidly rising on my distrust list because of his insistence on his "reveal" theory.

That's OK, you're way up on mine also....only reason I didn't vote you was because I think you've got a role.

[path12]

Path is rapidly rising on my distrust list because of his insistence on his "reveal" theory.

And by the way, it's not a "theory". There was a reveal. That's a fact. Whether or not you want to defend not seeing it is your business.

[Tyrith]

And by the way, it's not a "theory". There was a reveal. That's a fact. Whether or not you want to defend not seeing it is your business.

No, a reveal is when you actually SAY what you are. Not drop some "hints" that you'd have to carefully read every post and then conjecture some to pick up on. He didn't say he was a detective, just like I haven't said what I am. That's not a reveal.

[hoopsguy]

I'm with path12 on his "reveal theory" because I saw the dropped clues in real time, but I wasn't sure I trusted it versus Ntndeacon making a play to avoid being strung up as a bad guy. What I didn't pick up on was path12 asking me about detectives, that he was circling back around to this as he posed his inquiry.

So, to go 2nd level paranoia, is path12 seeing events unfold as they happen an indication that he has extra information, possibly of a nefarious nature? I'm not prepared to make that leap, so for the moment I trust him more than the average citizen.

[path12]

No, a reveal is when you actually SAY what you are. Not drop some "hints" that you'd have to carefully read every post and then conjecture some to pick up on. He didn't say he was a detective, just like I haven't said what I am. That's not a reveal.

If you're not reading every post carefully, what the hell game are you playing? WW is all about reading carefully and garnering clues.

I gather instead you are just magically finding out information about people.......or just going by whichever way the crowd is.

[path12]

BTW hoo, I've voted you for judge.

[Abe Sargent]

I'll be out for a while - at least several hours. Just in case I'm not back by deadline, I need to drop a vote. This is intended to be a temporary vote. For trying to have us wait to get a judge yesterday, I am voting path, but like I said, this is a very temporay vote - so please don't hurt me path.

Nor you PSG. :)


Vote path

[Tyrith]

If you're not reading every post carefully, what the hell game are you playing? WW is all about reading carefully and garnering clues.

I gather instead you are just magically finding out information about people.......or just going by whichever way the crowd is.

You know, some of us occasionally have other stuff to do. I'm not going to read every single post trying to divine every intent, especially since -- and we've proven this again and again -- that causes us to often draw the wrong conclusion. If you had pointed it out before the lynch, that's a different story, but I've found that trying to see clues in every post oftentimes just causes us to run around in circles.

[SnDvls]

here's my quick vote tally please correct me if I'm wrong

Barkeep - 2
Swaggs - 2
Jonathan E - 2
St. C - 1
ITC - 1
Path - 1

[SnDvls]

Anyone?

[path12]

You know, some of us occasionally have other stuff to do. I'm not going to read every single post trying to divine every intent, especially since -- and we've proven this again and again -- that causes us to often draw the wrong conclusion. If you had pointed it out before the lynch, that's a different story, but I've found that trying to see clues in every post oftentimes just causes us to run around in circles.

Yes, we all have other things to do. But if you're not reading to divine intent, maybe you might want to think about not being so defensive and reactionary when someone points out one of those intents to you.

[hoopsguy]

Just curious, did anyone give a reason for voting for bsak yesterday? Because no one has picked that thread up today and he was nearly the lynch victim yesterday at the end. I am trying to wrap my head around this, but am getting distracted by the rattling sounds in my skull when I think too hard.

[path12]

Just curious, did anyone give a reason for voting for bsak yesterday? Because no one has picked that thread up today and he was nearly the lynch victim yesterday at the end. I am trying to wrap my head around this, but am getting distracted by the rattling sounds in my skull when I think too hard.


My only reason was that he was in second place and I was trying to save ntn. I had nothing against bsak.

[Tyrith]

This is my bead on the whole path thing right now -

1) He realized what ntn was trying to do before the vote was final and didn't say anything - aka he allowed a detective to die. Then he tries to swing it around and blame us for missing it before, aiming for a two for one.

2) He didn't realize it before ntn was lynched, and his entire argument isn't really all that reasonable.

[path12]

This is my bead on the whole path thing right now -

1) He realized what ntn was trying to do before the vote was final and didn't say anything - aka he allowed a detective to die. Then he tries to swing it around and blame us for missing it before, aiming for a two for one.

2) He didn't realize it before ntn was lynched, and his entire argument isn't really all that reasonable.


Wow. I really thought you were a better player than this.

[Tyrith]

My only reason was that he was in second place and I was trying to save ntn. I had nothing against bsak.

And you tried so hard to save ntn you let him die :)

[Tyrith]

Seriously, if you thought saving ntn was so important, why didn't you point it out again? You already had your answer as to people were going to switch off because of the hint itself -- it was posted an hour and a half before the lynch, for the people that were going to be around for the lynch an hour would have been plenty of time to figure it out on their own. So instead you keep it quiet, voting to bsak to theoretically give you cover so you can make this kind of a play as a wolf. It is completely possible everything just fell this way on accident -- quite likely, I would suspect -- but to say that what ntn did was a "reveal" and expect us all to catch it is a little unreasonable, I would say.

[path12]

Jesus. This is like talking to a wall.

Go ahead Tyrith, vote me. I'm sure you've read everything I've said carefully enough to see my hints that actually I was trying to kill ntn off.

I mean seriously, it is not my place to out anyone. I switched my vote, said that the late votes on ntn were very suspicious, and tried to ask hoops if he had gotten verification that the detective who visited him was ntn.

If you want to turn that around to mean that I killed ntn, well, that's some wonderful logic there, my friend. That will get you far. I hope you're not one of the other detectives.

[st.cronin]

See, here is one of the reasons im still skeptical...DT knew exactly what i was looking for, and complied with me. He can attest to that, and did when he talked about it.

You didnt co-operate, and you have no idea what i was looking for...im trying to decide if it is just Alan having fun with our pre-action arguing or if it means something

Oh I knew what you were looking for. Your lingering glances at my RING left no doubt.

[Tyrith]

Jesus. This is like talking to a wall.

Go ahead Tyrith, vote me. I'm sure you've read everything I've said carefully enough to see my hints that actually I was trying to kill ntn off.

I mean seriously, it is not my place to out anyone. I switched my vote, said that the late votes on ntn were very suspicious, and tried to ask hoops if he had gotten verification that the detective who visited him was ntn.

If you want to turn that around to mean that I killed ntn, well, that's some wonderful logic there, my friend. That will get you far. I hope you're not one of the other detectives.

No, but I'm saying that it would have been a pretty good play. And I have to wonder why you picked up the hint and didn't inform us before the deadline, if you were so certain. And if you weren't certain then why is it really worth considering?

[Blade6119]

Im a little dismayed, to say the least, that none of you applied any pressure on cronin while i was away...im the only one giving evidence, yesterday and today, and people continue to ignore it. Wolves and villagers no doubt, which is why its disheartening.

Cronin, i see you here...lets chat.

[Blade6119]

Oh I knew what you were looking for. Your lingering glances at my RING left no doubt.
Alright then, now that your up for playing, why dont we discuss it. What would you expect me to see when i looked at your ring?

[st.cronin]

dola

When I said earlier that I hope you found what you were looking for, all I meant was that I hope you learned something useful. And my pm CLEARLY states that you started the argument, so if yours is different thats obviously just flavor.

[st.cronin]

You know, some of us occasionally have other stuff to do. I'm not going to read every single post trying to divine every intent, especially since -- and we've proven this again and again -- that causes us to often draw the wrong conclusion. If you had pointed it out before the lynch, that's a different story, but I've found that trying to see clues in every post oftentimes just causes us to run around in circles.

This is my bead on the whole path thing right now -

1) He realized what ntn was trying to do before the vote was final and didn't say anything - aka he allowed a detective to die. Then he tries to swing it around and blame us for missing it before, aiming for a two for one.

2) He didn't realize it before ntn was lynched, and his entire argument isn't really all that reasonable.

Tyrith and I think a lot alike. I don't necessarily trust him, but this is how I see the situation exactly.

[st.cronin]

Alright then, now that your up for playing, why dont we discuss it. What would you expect me to see when i looked at your ring?

dude, I didn't even know I had a ring

[Blade6119]

dude, I didn't even know I had a ring

I believe that, as i know its true...alan told me no one was really aware of it, and we have other items were not aware of. So far both people ive viewed have had rings, but alan wouldnt tell me if everyone had one. I figure most do though, or all.

But knowing your role, what kind of ring would you expect you character to have?

[st.cronin]

I believe that, as i know its true...alan told me no one was really aware of it, and we have other items were not aware of. So far both people ive viewed have had rings, but alan wouldnt tell me if everyone had one. I figure most do though, or all.

But knowing your role, what kind of ring would you expect you character to have?

I honestly have no idea. My best guess is "no ring at all." But maybe my character is married? I don't even know how to think about this question.

My character is not a hobbit, that's for sure.

[path12]

Tyrith and I think a lot alike. I don't necessarily trust him, but this is how I see the situation exactly.

Whatever. I'm done with the topic. I don't need the stress.

[st.cronin]

Whatever. I'm done with the topic. I don't need the stress.

Don't stress it. I'm not voting for you, and I do see your side a little bit.

[Blade6119]

I honestly have no idea. My best guess is "no ring at all." But maybe my character is married? I don't even know how to think about this question.

My character is not a hobbit, that's for sure.

Damn, the hobbit role was the glue to my whole argument!

Its tricky asking you questions without forcing you to reveal your role, whatever it is. But the no ring at all thing was a bit of a joke, after you saw me looking at your ring, which implies one was there.

Cronin, have you been spending money?

[Tyrith]

Yeah, path, I have no intention of voting for you. It was just that I didn't understand your insistence on the fact that it was a reveal and demonstrated how it is potentially flawed.

That said, I wish someone would give me someone to vote for today...I want to see how blade/cronin turns out here.

[st.cronin]

Damn, the hobbit role was the glue to my whole argument!

Its tricky asking you questions without forcing you to reveal your role, whatever it is. But the no ring at all thing was a bit of a joke, after you saw me looking at your ring, which implies one was there.

Cronin, have you been spending money?

My money is none of your business.

By the way, looking at my pm again, I STILL don't know what kind of ring I have. What kind of ring do I have? Is it nice?

[st.cronin]

That said, I wish someone would give me someone to vote for today...I want to see how blade/cronin turns out here.

Apart from Swaggs, I think both JE and ITC are decent candidates.

[Blade6119]

My money is none of your business.

By the way, looking at my pm again, I STILL don't know what kind of ring I have. What kind of ring do I have? Is it nice?

Ya, its pretty nice...it was considered pretty costly from my expert survey of it. Now, looking over the roles i saw very few that would have a very nice ring. I could, due to my profession....the banker might...and the mafia boss. Thats about all the ones i saw that i would slot into the have an expensive ring category.

So the way i see it, not knowing if you have some other role not listed that would explain this, you have 50/50 odds of being the mafia boss.

This could be jumping to conclusions, but ive tried to beat around the bush as if your good i just told everyone your also prob. rich. You asked, and i told you...DT rings did not meet the same standard of excellence yours did, to put it plainly

[Tyrith]

Interesting. This certainly calls for some kind of an explanation from cronin.

[st.cronin]

Ya, its pretty nice...it was considered pretty costly from my expert survey of it. Now, looking over the roles i saw very few that would have a very nice ring. I could, due to my profession....the banker might...and the mafia boss. Thats about all the ones i saw that i would slot into the have an expensive ring category.

So the way i see it, not knowing if you have some other role not listed that would explain this, you have 50/50 odds of being the mafia boss.

This could be jumping to conclusions, but ive tried to beat around the bush as if your good i just told everyone your also prob. rich. You asked, and i told you...DT rings did not meet the same standard of excellence yours did, to put it plainly

Jump to whatever conclusion you like. I do have some money - I'm not sure how much in relation to everyone else. But I also have significant expenses. My role is not listed.

That should help you figure out my "role" although not necessarily what I can do to help the village.

[LoneStarGirl]

What is going to happen to king for not voting yesterday?

[LoneStarGirl]

I have one hour till i have to vote and after spending my day activity I now trust Blade. If Blade thinks we should go after cronin, I will oblige.

vote st cronin

[LoneStarGirl]

Oh, and I will not be voting for hoops, i will be voting for blade for judge

[DaddyTorgo]

hmm. interesting.

[Barkeep49]

Well I remember the priest game from Tombstone. And in that game Lathum was viewed and gave a different response than all the other people. This ended up quasi-clearing him as Anxiety misread the PM. Anyhow the fact that cronin gave a different response to our quasi-seer is quite worry some for me in this game. So I'm going to go:
Vote st.cronin

It could be that cronin has the normal response and DT the odd response, but since Blade feels it's cronin who is suspicious I will follow his lead.

[Barkeep49]

Please note I hadn't seen LSG's vote when I cast mine (they're a minute apart) though it wouldn't have changed my vote.

[Blade6119]

It could be that cronin has the normal response and DT the odd response, but since Blade feels it's cronin who is suspicious I will follow his lead.

DTs ring was an ordinary gold band, nothing spectacular. It was not worth my effort to try and purchase(neither was cronins, as im looking for a rare gem...but cronins not described as ordinary, as was considered costly).

So DTs ring being called ordinary to me meant that he was the norm

[Blade6119]

And i cant type today, so excuse spelling and grammatical errors that litter my posts

[Tyrith]

I would be very careful even calling blade a quasi-seer. All he does is gauge wealth, and I would suspect the percentage of wealthy bad guys to wealthy good guys is about the same as general bad guys to good guys (although probably there are only a couple of rich good guys, so maybe it's a little less). I am highly suspicious of cronin at this point because I believe blade, and I suspect he's on our side for numbers and isn't going to start killing good guys, even if he causes trouble.

[Tyrith]

DTs ring was an ordinary gold band, nothing spectacular. It was not worth my effort to try and purchase(neither was cronins, as im looking for a rare gem...but cronins not described as ordinary, as was considered costly).

So DTs ring being called ordinary to me meant that he was the norm

Yeah, that just sounds like a typical wedding ring, any old average joe could have something like that, especially if it was considered ordinary in the PM. Sounds like you hit a blank and then something more special.

[LoneStarGirl]

I dont think a character in this game just 'gauges wealth'

[st.cronin]

One more clue for those who haven't figured it out: My win conditions are fulfilled if the mafia boss is killed.

That's all I'll say, even if I'm to be lynched.

[DaddyTorgo]

hmmm. That does give me pause and make me consider cronin a lil more closely I must say. However I think it puts him about even with ITC and Swaggs, not amazingly far ahead of them. It only means he's 50/50 bad at the best-case scenario.

[Blade6119]

I dont think a character in this game just 'gauges wealth'

No, i search for rare gems...and supposedly if i come in possesion of them i get unknown benefits. I get to inspect one persons ring a day to see if they have a rare gem...

But, in looking at rings Alan has made clear differentiations in quality which implies wealth.

[Barkeep49]

There is the stereotype that mobsters wear fancy jewelry.

[Alan T]

What is going to happen to king for not voting yesterday?

Secret! But you wouldn't want it to happen to you in the wrong scenerio perhaps.

[Barkeep49]

I dont think a character in this game just 'gauges wealth'
Why would you be skeptical about this? It fits in the style of character Alan had in his last game.

[Blade6119]

hmmm. That does give me pause and make me consider cronin a lil more closely I must say. However I think it puts him about even with ITC and Swaggs, not amazingly far ahead of them. It only means he's 50/50 bad at the best-case scenario.

Does my description of you ring fit into the idea of what you believe your character would have? If not, say so and lynch me now

[Blade6119]

The fact cronin and i argued when i went to inspect him, while DT just let me look, also worries me.

Thats all the evidence i have

[DaddyTorgo]

VOTE SWAGGS

subject to change of course, but I don't want to be accused of bandwagoning, and Swaggs' play last night with the ntn vote was questionable also.

i'm not ready to condemn cronin just for having a nice ring. He could be the poker player, the doctor, the banker, or the mafia boss. or like he said, something not listed.

[kingfc22]

Okay finally caught up. My lunch is over, but I did vote hoops for judge. I'm kinda suspicious of why tyrith was going so hard after path but that is just my opinion.I still do not know what wil happen to me for missing the vote yesterday. I can't use bold on my phone's browser, but I want to vote for JE.

[Blade6119]

Hoops, you have been here this whole time...thoughts?

[LoneStarGirl]

Why would you be skeptical about this? It fits in the style of character Alan had in his last game.

I dont remember much game to game honestly

[Barkeep49]

I dont remember much game to game honestly
Fair enough.

[Alan T]

Okay finally caught up. My lunch is over, but I did vote hoops for judge. I'm kinda suspicious of why tyrith was going so hard after path but that is just my opinion.I still do not know what wil happen to me for missing the vote yesterday. I can't use bold on my phone's browser, but I want to vote for JE.

I'll accept this vote for J.E due to the situation. Main reason for the bolding is so I don't miss it. I'm not responsible for votes I miss due to not being bolded normally.

[LoneStarGirl]

you are such a good host Alant ;)

[Tyrith]

Gah, I have to cast a vote in the next half hour. Anyone have an updated count?

[Blade6119]

One more clue for those who haven't figured it out: My win conditions are fulfilled if the mafia boss is killed.

That's all I'll say, even if I'm to be lynched.

My win conditions for the village are only met if and when we kill the mafia boss and the entire mafia family. Just having to kill the mafia boss implies to me your not good, as i felt that victory condition was pretty universal.

If you are good though, not telling us info does nothing but hurt us.If you are going to go out silently, then i have to believe you are not on the side of good

[st.cronin]

My win conditions for the village are only met if and when we kill the mafia boss and the entire mafia family. Just having to kill the mafia boss implies to me your not good, as i felt that victory condition was pretty universal.

If you are good though, not telling us info does nothing but hurt us.If you are going to go out silently, then i have to believe you are not on the side of good

There are definitely some good players who have their own win condition.

[Dr. Sak]

Well I havent read anything since about 330pm est but when I got back I found out that my computer was hacked. I am now contacting the police to find this hacker.

[hoopsguy]

Here is what I show for updated vote counts, as of Post #987:

Swaggs - Cronin (785), path12 (921)
Barkeep49 - Marathoner (832), Chief Rum (845)
Jonathan Ezarik - Lathum (873), ImTheCrew (920), Kingfc (979)
st. cronin - Blade6119 (887), LoneStarGirl (960), Barkeep49 (963)
ImTheCrew - Narcizo (906)
path12 - Anxiety (929)

[Blade6119]

There are definitely some good players who have their own win condition.

Looking at the rules, the bolded part seems to imply we all have a victory condition based on being good(if you are), and our personal goal on the side(me and my rare gems). I could see you having some personal goal, but if you are good i would think you would also have the same objective we all have. Maybe im mistaken, and im sure the other voters will decide on that matter
The Objectives:

Each player in the game will be either assigned a particular role, job or occupation or have the opportunity during the game to find one of their choosing. Each player will have both an objective based on if they are a "good guy" or a "bad guy" as well as some individual objective based upon their role, job or occupation. The only exception to this will be those of no affiliation to one side or the other. Neutral players will only have their role,job or occupation objective to meet. A Neutral player's sole objective might be quite difficult to achieve however they might be given other options during the course of the game to join one side or the other.

Every good player

[Blade6119]

I have to go, ill be back in about 2 hours. If you all want to go a different route, fine...im just trying to present to you all the evidence i have before i get killed because i look like a seer(barkeep called me one basically, so i know wolves think it too)

[hoopsguy]

Blade6119, my thoughts on st. cronin are that it would make sense to review his statements over the last few days to see what he has said about wealth in the game. At the very least, it seems clear that he is wealthy. He has also been pretty reluctant to talk about his role, which isn't a hanging offense but makes it a little tougher on us when determining guilt/innocence.

st. cronin, can you think of any reason why you would have been argumentative towards Blade6119 when DaddyTorgo was more accomodating that relates to your role?

[st.cronin]

Blade6119, my thoughts on st. cronin are that it would make sense to review his statements over the last few days to see what he has said about wealth in the game. At the very least, it seems clear that he is wealthy. He has also been pretty reluctant to talk about his role, which isn't a hanging offense but makes it a little tougher on us when determining guilt/innocence.

st. cronin, can you think of any reason why you would have been argumentative towards Blade6119 when DaddyTorgo was more accomodating that relates to your role?

Well, there was a discrepancy in the reports. Blade says his pm claims that *I* started the argument. Mine clearly said that I was minding my own business when Blade started shouting at me.

My interpretation is that this is nothing more than Alan spicing up the pm based on in-thread conversations.

[Alan T]

The Big City Herald
Edition 10

The Inmates running the Asylum?

Don't look now, but our sources tell us that it might finally have happened.. The crazies that call this town home may finally have decided on a judge. We won't know for sure until the final ballots are counted, but from what our exit polls show us, the large majority of people chose one person today to be their judge.

www help . com

For the second straight day, reports have been filed with the police of a new crime involving computer theft.

Crime Report #4
2/28 6:04pm EST
Computer Hacked
Forbes lists the richest and poorest of the Big City

In the latest edition of Forbes, they once again cover who the wealthy and the impoverished of our great city are. A few new suprises head the list this year. Among the wealthiest in our town are a Pawnshop owner, the heir to the mafia family, the Banker, one of our very own police detectives and a doctor. Forbes does admit that a few individuals may have asked to not be included in the survey however for whatever personal reasons.

[path12]

Among the wealthiest in our town are a Pawnshop owner, the heir to the mafia family, the Banker, one of our very own police detectives and a doctor. Forbes does admit that a few individuals may have asked to not be included in the survey however for whatever personal reasons.


Hmmmmm.

[SnDvls]

Here is what I show for updated vote counts, as of Post #987:

Swaggs - Cronin (785), path12 (921)
Barkeep49 - Marathoner (832), Chief Rum (845)
Jonathan Ezarik - Lathum (873), ImTheCrew (920), Kingfc (979)
st. cronin - Blade6119 (887), LoneStarGirl (960), Barkeep49 (963)
ImTheCrew - Narcizo (906)
path12 - Anxiety (929)


thanks this is what I have now too and wanted confirmed from my list asking for confirmation

[st.cronin]

heh

[st.cronin]

unvote Swaggs
vote Jonathan Ezarik

self-preservation, nothing more

[Alan T]

The Big City Herald
Special Edition!

Breaking news from down in the government sector. It appears at some point during the early evening Tyrith has failed to show up where he was expected. His family and one friend is fearing the worse currently. "He should have been here hours ago, it is not like him to be late to anything", said a neighbor that currently owed TYrith $5.34.

The Big City Police department had very little to say other than the Chief of Police's statement,"We are very conserned with this event and our forces are putting every last able body into investigating this." Most hate to admit the worst might have happened, but whether he is dead or still alive somewhere it clearly is an escalation in the level of crime that Big City has seen.

[LoneStarGirl]

I am out until 9 central