Werewolf XLIII - The Big City (Game over)

[Narcizo]

A Neutral player's sole objective might be quite difficult to achieve however they might be given other options during the course of the game to join one side or the other.


Yep, neutrals can switch.

It isn't stated explicitly anywhere that the shop owner is good, but I think it's pretty much implied that they are, as there are explicit Independents and "the shady" who are probably both neutral.

[Narcizo]

I collected your trash, as I do for everyone. When I sorted through yours, I found the ad and a small coin purse with $100 in it. A little different than robbery, but if you cannot make that mental leap, so be it.


I don't know about in the US but where I live then technically that actually is robbery. From the government. All garbage put out in trash cans is the property of the state. So you didn't steal from Blade, you stole from the government and, consequently, from all of us. :) Of course the game (and the US) doesn't have the same laws as Sweden so this is all by the by.

I honestly don't think there's any purpose pursuing Swaggs over this. It sucks that his gain is Blade's loss but I don't think it indicates anything. Hopefully hoops will be informed about the investigation into Swaggs by now and we'll soon hear what's what.

[Narcizo]

why has no one said anything about JE's late vote for me if he hadnt done that it would have been atleast a tie

I pointed it out earlier this morning.

i cant find it Cronin do you know the post #

post #790

Further pursuing the idea that Jonathon was being set up for a day 2 vote by St Cronin until Blade dropped his bomb shell.

ImTheCrew has about 20 posts. This is really his only significant exchange with anyone. He voted NTN without any reason at a crucial stage. He voted for JE before disappearing in what looks like an early attempt to get JE as the main target of the lynch. And he voted for DT way, way after ít mattered.

I would really like some sort of scan of ImTheCrew.

[Narcizo]

When I voted for ITC day 2 I was going on the hunch that he seemed to be playing a wolf the way you'd expect a fairly new player to play one. Now I see signs of complicity with St Cronin here, engineering a case against JE. I can understand people voting for bsak today but if we're going to have a search warrant on him anyway I'm really leaning towards voting ImTheCrew.

[Narcizo]

It's just stuck me that Hoops stated that he was going to issue an arrest order on Marathoner if Swaggs came up clean. Low and behold he gets hit by a thug (lead piping, brute force attack) not long after. Marathoner looks very much like the thug role at the moment.

Or someone trying to set up Marathoner to look like the thug and take out the judge at the same time.

Marathoner are you saying that you're an independent bodyguard? My trouble with this is that there seems to be an awful lot of non-good roles going around at the moment. I'm no WW vet so I don't know what a reasonable number of good roles we could expect there to be.

[Chief Rum]

I have openly stated repeatedly i think im a terrible player, and usually wrong. But i dont believe im wrong more then most players, we all just have good and bad hunches. But if you start the name calling, which you have, i will throw it back. And knowing people in WW, i will yet again take all the blame becuase people think im picking fights again :rolleyes:

Umm, could you please point out where in my posts to you I called you anything?

[hoopsguy]

Did you report it?

Nope, I did not. Thank you for the reminder, going in now.

[hoopsguy]

Looks like Portland won huge yesterday.

[hoopsguy]

I did submit the warrants I initially discussed last night:
- Search bsak16
- Arrest Marathoner

Hopefully this gives the detective some leeway to make decisions based on what he found out about Swaggs without necessarily having to reveal himself. If I understood their mechanics better I might have been able to make a better decision, but so it goes.

If Marathoner is not arrested, and there is not another person found face-first in a body of water today, then I think that looks bad for Swaggs.

I'm also very interested in learning info from Swaggs, LoneStarGirl, and Blade6119 today in terms of their actions. If all of these people are good, they are rapidly going to apply pressure to the Mob with their info.

[Chief Rum]

HUGE WIN FOR THE BLAZERS--AND THE BETTORS!!!

A couple Big City inhabitants made out huge last night when they bought in to my theory about the Charlotte-Portland game, and they are much wealthier today as a result. It's a shame that two straight wins and a gimme game didn't draw more interest.

But there is a new opportunity every day. Don't just throw your money away. Bet it on the chance you might get something back.

Tonight's game isn't as cut and dry...

SAN JOSE SHARKS AT ANAHEIM DUCKS!!!

It's time for a game of pucks. These two division rivals have fought bitterly a number of times this year. The Ducks were outplayed in San Jose on Monday, but came out with the win anyway. They will ahve the advantage tonight at home--but the Sharks won the last time they came to the Honda Center, and the Ducks played another division rival, the Kings, just last night.

I think the Ducks are pissed about losing to the lowly Kings, and know how important it is to beat the Sharks, so combining that with home ice gives them the edge in my mind. But what will the bettors decide?

I don't work on Friday, so the deadline will be later than usual, coming at 3 P.M. PDT/6 P.M. EST. Get your "gifts" in to me, and pick your bet, and then it's game on! Good luck.

[Chief Rum]

Chief Rum's Bettin' Bonanza is also sending out this statement:

"The Herald earlier today suggested that the mafia may have had a hand in the betting action tonight, perhaps fixing the Blazers-Bobcats game. While Chief Rum's Bettin' Bonanza is not in a position to determine what influence the mafia might be able to exert on an NBA game, we resent the implication that the mafia may have any hand in how we do business or how sports gambling is run in Big City. For all the quasi-legal nature of bookmaking, we run a legitimate shop and have no ties to the mafia. We have not had nor have we desired any contact from the criminal element in Big City since we opened the doors to the business. We serve at the behest of the honest bettors of Big City, and that is our only goal.

Any attempt to subvert our intent to operate as a legitimate above the table business will be rebuffed, and reported to law enforcement officials immediately. Thank you and keep betting!"

[Chief Rum]

I'm sure Blade will still rip into me for not voting for DT, nor will he believe that I had my doubts about DT, too, and bought into much of what he was saying about him (just not as much as Marathoner), but I know there's some crow to be eaten all the same. So in that regard, kudos to Blade for his work in fingering DT. While I don't sway from my earlier characterization of his standard method of operation in WW games, it's hard to argue with results--he has been on his game in this one.

I would still argue that Marathoner is extremely suspicious at this point, and if he turns out to be a baddie, then I guess we were both right (here's to hoping we are). Bsak's play seems a little too obvious for me to say he's a wolf. I will wait to here any information on searches/warrants for him before I go there.

[Narcizo]

I think it's worth noting that most neutrals probably have a vested interest in not finding any more wolfs at the moment. They need the game to continue so that they have a chance of meeting their objectives. Unless they have already met them in which case they'll be as anxious as anyone to find the remaining wolves.

[Narcizo]

st cronin are you going with hoopsguy for judge?

yep

Incidentally I've found this. ITC has another exchange with st cronin. He hasn't addressed anyone but st cronin in this game. It's almost as though he's been coached to deliver questions. Who would have had an interest and the ability to do that?

[Narcizo]

Vote ImTheCrew

There!

Bsak has a search warrant on him, Marathoner has an arrest warrant on him. If ImTheCrew turns up bad (and there's a lot of circumstantial evidence to show that he will) we're almost there.

[Narcizo]

Of course this is subject to change up to around 16:00 EST, based on what all the investigations turn up.

[Chief Rum]

Incidentally I've found this. ITC has another exchange with st cronin. He hasn't addressed anyone but st cronin in this game. It's almost as though he's been coached to deliver questions. Who would have had an interest and the ability to do that?

But why would he do this and only this publically? Why would he single out talking to st cronin? They have PM rights. There is no need for them to talk publically as a matter of course. So public discussion is for a purpose. And I can't see them thinking anything good would happen with a wolf only talking to another wolf publically in the game.

I'm not saying IMTheCrew is clear. He's far down my trust list as well. But I'm not sure I buy this line of conjecture. I see no gain for the wolves to do something like that.

[Narcizo]

I don't know, I think it sounds more authentic if your stooge says "Gee! Isn't so and so looking bad" and then you say "Why! Yes, yes he is." Rather than you just up and saying it all the time.

All the conjecture about "that's too obvious for a wolf" might not necessarily apply to ITC who is, I believe, a new player.

But I admit, apart from Bsak, Swaggs, Marathoner and ITC, I've got no read showing bad on anyone else. Swaggs has been investigated, Bsak will be investigated and Marathoner has an arrest warrent. If more than one of them turn up bad then we're close to winning. Who else am I going to vote for at this stage?

[Alan T]

The Big City Herald
Edition 17

Slowed but not Stopped

The Big City Judge, the Honourable Hoopsguy has shown that it will take a little more than an encounter with Tonya Harding to keep him down. Even while confined to bed, he still have been pushing hard to remove a certain rogue element of the Big City. Sources inside of the judicial building state that two new warrants have been ordered this morning. One for the immediate arrest of Marathoner, while the other is a search order to get down to the bottom on just whats going on with Bsak, and if he is the man behind the Big City pawn shop.

Forecasters call for rain

Big City's dry spell should come to an end today as we should expect to see roughly 1/2 an inch of rain accumulation by evening time tonight. The morning commute likely will not be affected, however the evening commute might be a bit slower as every elderly woman in the tri-county area will try to be on the road driving 15 mph below the speed limit during the worst of the downpour. Tommorrow should be sunnier as the rain dries up and we return to our normal climate.

Bank business Bullish

Many wondered when the Big City Bank was built how many of our citizens would trust their money to the hands of someone else. A report published this morning by bank officials seem to show that over 50% of our city's population has accounts there. The report also showed that the amount of money people save appears to be higher as well, as the nightly account report that the banker received showed an overall large increase in total cash the bank holds within the last two days.

[Narcizo]

I'm not saying IMTheCrew is clear. He's far down my trust list as well. But I'm not sure I buy this line of conjecture. I see no gain for the wolves to do something like that.

I don't mean to be rude, but given this,

I think it's worth noting that most neutrals probably have a vested interest in not finding any more wolfs at the moment. They need the game to continue so that they have a chance of meeting their objectives.

you'll forgive me if I don't think that the good guys should pay too much attention to your thoughts on who we should vote for. You may well be right in this case but I have to question your motives in any vote from now on.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

I have a strong reason to believe im the 4th person to recieve this role...it has benefits to it, one that came into play in the cronin lynch. So whoever had the role day 2 is owed quite a bit of thanks for making the right call

I take it this the ability that user 14 on the underground message board was talking about having.

[st.cronin]

ooc:

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=57297

Everybody give Alan T a hug.

[SnDvls]

Happy Birthday Hoopsguy!!! :D

[hoopsguy]

Thanks, SnDvls. Although I still think you (and all the rest of you) are out to get me :)

[st.cronin]

Thanks, SnDvls. Although I still think you (and all the rest of you) are out to get me :)

That lead pipe was just your birthday spanking, one day early. :)

[SnDvls]

Thanks, SnDvls. Although I still think you (and all the rest of you) are out to get me :)

you got me...I'm out to get you...to get you a CAKE!!! :p

[ImTheCrew]

I think we should look at the killing of tyrith, it is someone with a gun..... who do we know has one???

1) Anxiety Mentioned his bullets being stollen but nothing about a gun
2) on the underground Messege board someone saw Narcizo purchasing a gun soon before tyriths death

those are the two people im looking at right now.

[Lathum]

2) on the underground Messege board someone saw Narcizo purchasing a gun soon before tyriths death



i think you need to take anything you see on the message board with a grain of salt. I think it is much more likely a set up attempt then anything. The fact that you are pointing this out makes me suspiscous of you.

[Narcizo]

That's really lame. I'm sorry but it is. You seem to be flailing around. I am now very happy with my vote.

Am I meant to be bad? Is that why I put my vote on DaddyTorgo so early when I knew I couldn't change it. Is that why I hunted stuff down that looked bad for DT? What has your contribution been in tracking down bad guys? An unexplained vote on NTN, a throwaway vote on Jonathon and a vote on DT after he had confessed.

And I have not bought a gun. Anyone with proof that I have is welcome to come forward. I'd be interested in seeing who thinks that I have.

[Lathum]

Narcizo- OOG it seems like your schedule doesn't effect gameplay to much and I think you should try future games.

[Dr. Sak]

Narcizo did make a purchase but it wasn't a gun.

[ImTheCrew]

alright then my vote as of now is Anxiety

[Narcizo]

Because Anxiety is the only one who could possibly have a gun.

[Lathum]

alright then my vote as of now is Anxiety

why?

he is one of the few I have as mostly cleared

[ImTheCrew]

Narcizo did make a purchase but it wasn't a gun.

if this is true Narcizo, i appoligize.

[Lathum]

Because Anxiety is the only one who could possibly have a gun.

not true at all. I am sure some people started with guns and ammo

[ImTheCrew]

why?

he is one of the few I have as mostly cleared

im going to look back on some post Hold on...

[ImTheCrew]

not true at all. I am sure some people started with guns and ammo

hmm didnt really think about that(besides a mafia boss) bsak could you tell us some people who have purchased guns?

[ImTheCrew]

dola-


all i have currently is a knife.

[Narcizo]

not true at all. I am sure some people started with guns and ammo

I was being obnoxiously sarcastic. It's what us Brits like to do. :o

[Narcizo]

Anyway. I'm off for a good 3 hours at least. If anyone wants to question me about anything between now and then would be a good time to do it so I can answer before I disappear for the night.

[Swaggs]

Hoops, as judge, did you receive some sort of report back from my investigation?

[ImTheCrew]

if you go to jail is the game over for you?

[Swaggs]

if you go to jail is the game over for you?

If you go to jail, you cannot perform your daily actions, unless you successfully bribe the city jailor.

If you are sentenced guilty, you leave the game.

[SnDvls]

If you go to jail, you cannot perform your daily actions, unless you successfully bribe the city jailor.

If you are sentenced guilty, you leave the game.

are you sure sentenced guilty the rules just say sentenced by the judge?

Alan can you help us here with this one.

[Swaggs]

are you sure sentenced guilty the rules just say sentenced by the judge?

Alan can you help us here with this one.


Check out the bottom line. I knew I saw it somewhere in the rules, but all the information is scattered throughout between a few sections:

The Big City Judge:

During the course of each day, a judge may issue one of each type of actions:

1) Issue search warrant [Include location]
2) Issue arrest warrant [Include player]
3) Sentence/Free player [include player.] (Player must have previously been arrested.)

A warrant is only good until the following day cycle ends. A Warrant issued at 8:59pm EST on Tuesday will be valid until 9:00pm EST on Wednesday. A warrant issued at 9:01pm EST on Tuesday will be valid until 9:00pm EST on Thursday. Any arrested player must be sentenced by the game cycle following their arrest, or they will automatically be set free. A player arrested at 8:59pm EST on Tuesday must be sentenced by 9:00pm EST on Wednesday or they will be set free. A player arrested at 9:01pm EST on Tuesday must be sentenced by 9:00pm EST on Thursday night or they will be set free.

When a player is sentenced guilty, they will be removed from the game regardless of what the sentence is for.

[path12]

I feel like a total contrarian in this game, but seeing as how both cronin and DT ended up as mafia bosses, shouldn't we at least entertain the possibility that he could have passed it to Blade and have him checked out?

[SnDvls]

Check out the bottom line. I knew I saw it somewhere in the rules, but all the information is scattered throughout between a few sections:

Ah thanks that started to worry me after reading this part

Death or other ways to be removed from the game:

There are three ways to be removed from the game:

1) Being lynched by the cityfolk (see below)
2) Being killed by the mafia
3) Being sentenced by the judge for a crime.

Once removed from the game, the player is permanently out of the game and will not return. Allegiances will be stated as the player is removed. Their occupation will be inferred during the next daily update.

[SnDvls]

I feel like a total contrarian in this game, but seeing as how both cronin and DT ended up as mafia bosses, shouldn't we at least entertain the possibility that he could have passed it to Blade and have him checked out?

I actually have a different theory here.
could it be that there were two small mafia groups? Then they needed to merge their two groups to get their victory along with winning the game.

CR might be able to help us if he wants to share who has bet on the games to see if my theory holds any water, although I guess I could understand if he doesn't as it would hurt his "job" and probally prevent him from his victory condition too.

[LoneStarGirl]

What do you all think about asking bsak for information on what weapons he has sold and to who? (I assume he made it clear to all that he is the pawnbroker)

Might help us track down who killed Tyrith if someone bought both a gun and bullets.

has there been a gun for sale?

[hoopsguy]

Hoops, as judge, did you receive some sort of report back from my investigation?

Negative, I have not received any kind of report back. Which forced my hand, to some extent, with the warrants I issued today. I'm hoping that by the end of Day 4 to have a better feel for how this whole detective/judge process is supposed to work.

[Dr. Sak]

No one has come into my shop and bought a gun outright. That's not to say they didn't buy one on the underground.

[Swaggs]

Negative, I have not received any kind of report back. Which forced my hand, to some extent, with the warrants I issued today. I'm hoping that by the end of Day 4 to have a better feel for how this whole detective/judge process is supposed to work.

Well, that stinks. I was hoping to have earned some trust by now.

[path12]

We may only be down to one detective if Tyrith was right about three (and if he was able to perform detective duty as the dispatcher).

[path12]

Which leads me to a question: If a detective is killed, does that mean that there is a job position open that someone could apply for?

[Swaggs]

I got the feeling that Tyrith was the dispatcher, rather than one of the detectives. And, he had indicated, at one point I believe, that there were two others detectives besides ntn.

I am going on the assumption that we still have two detectives remaining.

[LoneStarGirl]

Do we have an updated list of what we can buy at the store?

[Lathum]

No one has come into my shop and bought a gun outright. That's not to say they didn't buy one on the underground.

i find this unlikely unless someone started the game with 2 guns

[Dr. Sak]

i find this unlikely unless someone started the game with 2 guns

I have sold a few guns outside of the pawn shop. I have no control over who gets them after that point. Don't forget that when someone buys something from anyone in the underground there is no idea to track who it is unless you know their user #, but if they buy it from the Pawn Shop I know exactly who it is.

[Lathum]

I have sold a few guns outside of the pawn shop. I have no control over who gets them after that point. Don't forget that when someone buys something from anyone in the underground there is no idea to track who it is unless you know their user #, but if they buy it from the Pawn Shop I know exactly who it is.

so you have access to guns?

interesting

[Dr. Sak]

so you have access to guns?

interesting

Way to go Captain Obvious!

[Lathum]

Way to go Captain Obvious!

well IMO it is a good point to bring up since tyrith was shot...

[Dr. Sak]

well IMO it is a good point to bring up since tyrith was shot...

You will be eating a lot of crow when it is found that I am clean. So I would be careful how far you push it or you are going to look pretty guilty.

[Alan T]

are you sure sentenced guilty the rules just say sentenced by the judge?

Alan can you help us here with this one.

The judge can sentence someone who is arrested, or he can rule they are innocent.. or he can let them sit with no ruling pending further investigation. However due process requires people that are arrested to be dealt with in a reasonable amount of time.

[Lathum]

You will be eating a lot of crow when it is found that I am clean. So I would be careful how far you push it or you are going to look pretty guilty.

why is that

it's not like you have given us any good information and your actions have been pretty suspiscous up to this point.

[Dr. Sak]

why is that

it's not like you have given us any good information and your actions have been pretty suspiscous up to this point.

Well if there is allowed to be conversion in this game and you are a mob member, you just sent a lot of resources to investigate me and not someone else. Plus you are going to get a lot of votes to swing my way in the lynching. Which is what the mob would want right now because they are short two people and want some time to coax a few others to join them.

[SnDvls]

The judge can sentence someone who is arrested, or he can rule they are innocent.. or he can let them sit with no ruling pending further investigation. However due process requires people that are arrested to be dealt with in a reasonable amount of time.

so does the judge determine their guilt?
or is their guilt determined by the evidence?

[Alan T]

so does the judge determine their guilt?
or is their guilt determined by the evidence?

The judge determines the guilt and sentences based on whatever they feel like it. A judge likely assumes a police detective won't arrest someone who doesn't have evidence backing it however.

Also a rogue judge that has their own agenda likely will be dealt with by the mob.

So all kinds of ways to prove your anger. :)

[Lathum]

Well if there is allowed to be conversion in this game and you are a mob member, you just sent a lot of resources to investigate me and not someone else. Plus you are going to get a lot of votes to swing my way in the lynching. Which is what the mob would want right now because they are short two people and want some time to coax a few others to join them.

what does one have to do with the other?

and if the detectives are investigating you it is because of your actions last night, you started this, not me.

[Dr. Sak]

what does one have to do with the other?

and if the detectives are investigating you it is because of your actions last night, you started this, not me.

You were a big part of pushing them to investigate me. Diversion my friend...

[path12]

I think we're off on all kinds of tangents here. First of all, we should try and see if we can replace the key positions we've lost. Does anyone have the ability to post a job opening? If so that person should do so in order to try and get replacements for our detective and dispatcher. We need as much manpower in the police area as possible in order to get all the investigations done properly.

[Lathum]

You were a big part of pushing them to investigate me. Diversion my friend...

how do you figure?

You came out attacking me about what I purchased, forcing me to reveal informaion I didn't want to. At a key time when we were discussing a lynch. Please point out where I pushed anyone in your direction.

[hoopsguy]

I'm beginning to wonder just what the heck our detectives are doing. I've issued three different warrants and haven't seen anything to suggest any action behind them. If I'm pushing for the wrong people, then I would love for some of the others to offer up alternatives towards the end of the day, giving me a chance to consider their choices.

I'm guessing that our City is like a lot of metropolitan areas that offer "diversions" for people on a Friday night, so we may not have too much time left to discuss current affairs between now and the weekend.

ooc: I'm out this evening for birthday stuff, very limited access (if any) after 5PM CS.

[Dr. Sak]

Actually Lathum you were the one that offered up first that you bought a knife.

[Abe Sargent]

how do you figure?

You came out attacking me about what I purchased, forcing me to reveal informaion I didn't want to. At a key time when we were discussing a lynch. Please point out where I pushed anyone in your direction.

This may seem really wierd, but can I get access to your house?

[Abe Sargent]

Or bsak, just came back, how about you. Can I get access to your house?

[Lathum]

This may seem really wierd, but can I get access to your house?

do you mean are you able to or will I allow you to?

[Abe Sargent]

Will you allow me to? You can be there while I'm there.

[Abe Sargent]

Heya st cronin! I woulda asked you, but you know, you're dead and a bad guy.

[Lathum]

yes, by all means you can. Just bring some beer

[Abe Sargent]

Thanks, you really wont regret this!

[Lathum]

Actually Lathum you were the one that offered up first that you bought a knife.

that isn't how the exchange happened at all.

I said the day before I bought the knife. Post 1330 bsak says:

Would you like people to know about the weapons you are stocking up on?

since I already told everyone I was buying A knife, how is that stockpiling? Of course I am gonna take it as being suspiscous. Compount that with the fact he voted marathoner and he was trying to deflect attention from DT and shift it in me he doesn't look to good.

[Lathum]

Thanks, you really wont regret this!

of course not, I have nothing to hide.

[Narcizo]

I'm beginning to wonder just what the heck our detectives are doing.

Swaggs claimed that a detective came to him and took evidence. I'm guessing the detective is someone with limited access to the game, and that there's only one.

Of course they might have been rubbed out already today and we wouldn't know about it yet. If that's the case then the mob have a very good bead on who the police are.

I'm not going to be able to be around much more. I'll keep my vote on ImTheCrew for now. I think he's been acting suspiciously from day one and I don't really have another candidate - although with the lack of policing it looks like we can't rely on Marathoner being arrested and we might have to lynch him instead. Hope we get an update on that situation before I have to go.

[Narcizo]

Nothing more to add then. If we don't get an arrest of Marathoner I'd say people should vote for him but I'll keep my vote where it is.

[Blade6119]

So swaggs, LSG...where did your actions go today. I have yet to send mine in, and dont want to overlap. I know swaggs sent his in last night, so he has his results back.

Im considering anxiety right now to be honest...i think ill go back and look at just who was pushing him for judge on day 1

[kingfc22]

Blade - Nice job calling a spade a spade so far. 2 in a row this early is very good.

So bsak is the pawn shop owner. His actions have been fairly suspect especially yesterday. However, I want to see what info the warrants bring out today before I vote.

[Alan T]

The Big City Herald
Edition 18

Pawn Shop Raided!

Word has reached the herald that earlier today the police raided the local big city pawn shop. We aren't sure exactly what was being looked for, but an inside source stated that they were looking for something that connected the pawnshop to the notorious Big City crime family. When we asked for a comment from the detectives, they told us that they had in fact served the pawn shop with a search order and took some evidence back to police headquarters, but there were no arrests made at this time.

Miracle doctor heals judge

Whatever all of those pills that our faithful judge has been taking are, they seem to be working. Earlier today some unknown doctor paid our judge a visit and it was only a matter of time before he was seen walking back into the courthouse once again full of life and vigor.

Big City on ice

Later tonight Big City welcomes a rematch of Anaheim vs San Jose in ice hockey. They faced off here earlier in the week, but the game received so little publication that very few people even went. Tonight the rematch seems personal and much more likely to draw a crowd. We have also been told that before the game the national anthem will be sung by Rosanne Barr.

[Lathum]

Jonathan Ezarik

been way to UTR for him

[Lathum]

should read

VOTE Jonathan Ezarik

[Blade6119]

Interestingly enough, anxiety annonced his judgeship canidacy in response to a cronin post...#103 to be exact...lets see what else there is, but thats interesting

[Blade6119]

JE did some subtle defending of cronin early day one, and chief has stated he is independent(like bsak)...just some notes as im reading

[Abe Sargent]

Blade, seriously, if you are looking for bad, make sure you look fo rhte good too. Like, the fact that I was online whe st.cronin was going down and chose not to hop to you like everybody else was doing. COulda done it and hidden in a crowd at the same time - I did not.

Or the fact that I have an uncontroverted claim of being abducted by the mafia.

And remember that judges get more scrunity from seer rules than others. Why would a mafia person want to be judge? They want no one to be judge, which is what they got Day One, in part because you didn;t throw your suport behind another candidate and in part because hoops pushed for DT.

Sure, I could be a clever wolf who hurt his mafia boss by not making a move that could have been hidden, while also creating a story that could have been proven false by a police investigation, or I could just be me. One's a lot more likely than the other.

[Abe Sargent]

This post is design to clear me later if I need to. Something amazing just happened!!!

[Lathum]

This post is design to clear me later if I need to. Something amazing just happened!!!

did you like what you saw?

[Blade6119]

Both DT and Cronin were pretty supportive of chief and his gambling...

#333 and #335, respectively, they both lavish praise on chief

[Blade6119]

Blade, seriously, if you are looking for bad, make sure you look fo rhte good too. Like, the fact that I was online whe st.cronin was going down and chose not to hop to you like everybody else was doing. COulda done it and hidden in a crowd at the same time - I did not.

Or the fact that I have an uncontroverted claim of being abducted by the mafia.

And remember that judges get more scrunity from seer rules than others. Why would a mafia person want to be judge? They want no one to be judge, which is what they got Day One, in part because you didn;t throw your suport behind another candidate and in part because hoops pushed for DT.

Sure, I could be a clever wolf who hurt his mafia boss by not making a move that could have been hidden, while also creating a story that could have been proven false by a police investigation, or I could just be me. One's a lot more likely than the other.

lol anxiety, im just looking around...i have no explanation for why you are entering lathum's house, so until i do i have to theorize good and bad reasons. Im re-reading the early days, mostly looking at posts and interactions cronin/DT were involved in...im also reading a few other players of interest, but im just connecting dots

[Lathum]

I can tell you why he entered but I would rather wait and see what he has to say

[Abe Sargent]

Yeah, I'm waiting on AlanT to make a post, and then all will be revealed, and Blade will look very silly too. A fine Friday! ;) (just kidding Blades)

[Blade6119]

Cronin and DT both were very in favor of voting both tyrith and Barkeep...and later cronin went after LSG, and DT went after ntndeacon.

Side note, lathum went after LSG back on day one too, and im noting it since he just voted him again

[Blade6119]

Yeah, I'm waiting on AlanT to make a post, and then all will be revealed, and Blade will look very silly too. A fine Friday! ;) (just kidding Blades)

I always look silly, best i put on a clown hat and enjoy it while it lasts :)

[Lathum]

Cronin and DT both were very in favor of voting both tyrith and Barkeep...and later cronin went after LSG, and DT went after ntndeacon.

Side note, lathum went after LSG back on day one too, and im noting it since he just voted him again

I think you mean JE


and I am not sure how silly blade can look since he has easily been the MVP this game.

[Blade6119]

I think you mean JE


and I am not sure how silly blade can look since he has easily been the MVP this game.

ya, i meant JE...sorry for that typo there. And it was a swapped vote to JE, so it wasnt like you campaigned for him or anything

[Lathum]

ya, i meant JE...sorry for that typo there. And it was a swapped vote to JE, so it wasnt like you campaigned for him or anything

no campaigning at all but you should know better then to put much stock in a day one vote.

[Blade6119]

#562, DT switches to bsak...interesting to note, since bsak ended up second to ntn, a detective on day 1. Bsak also voted with cronin/DT in the blade swap, as well as pretty vigorously made attacks on those targeting DT yesterday

[Blade6119]

no campaigning at all but you should know better then to put much stock in a day one vote.

I actually think day one can be much more telling then many think...im in the minority in that, but i think much can be learned from day 1 if you look closely.

[Abe Sargent]

I would suggest any detectives out there wait for a few minutes until AlanT makes his post before taking actions, if there are any out there and you are wondering what to do.

[Blade6119]

Swaggs seems pretty smart looking back in regards to the mafia kills...he said at least twice(maybe more, havent seen any other yet though) that he thought mafia kills would come during the day before any mafia kills took place. Later, when cronin asked when to expect one, swaggs told him it could be any minute.

[Lathum]

well hopefully they don't kill anxiety because he is about to clear me :)

[Blade6119]

#637, which i never saw...this came before tyrith was killed and certainly was a major reason the mafia picked him:

Marathoner, suffice it to say for now that I am in the know in many police matters because I work in house.

In response to marathoner, which may be telling or not. Marathoner asked tyrith how he knew which detective # ntn was

[Barkeep49]

Since there doesn't seem to be a whole lot to support it, I'm going to go ahead and

Unvote bsak

I'll need to find a new person to vote for by 6:30ish before I head out to basketball practice.

[hoopsguy]

(paces the room, anxiously awaiting news from Anxiety, detectives, or anyone else to provide information)

I'm sure they are out there. What are the chances that Mafia Boss DaddyTorgo is the one who hit me with a pipe? And he isn't the only one - there were two hackers. And the others, besides them. How much trust to put in the man who collects the garbage? I know there is an entire coalition out there plotting against me, I can feel it!

(continues pacing, at a more frantic pace)

[Lathum]

take your meds dude

[Abe Sargent]

Okay, I'm going to go ahead and reveal. AlanT can post in a bit, but I have Magic people over. Lathum can post what he has.

I am the Firewall Specialist. I came over to investigate the crime at Lathum's. I can verify that he was correct and his computer was, in fact, broken into. I then used my leet skillz to track down the hacker and get a real IP and address after going through proxies and whatnot.

I have submitted the address and information that I received in a police report. The police can follow up the report and find out at least one of our hackers!

In other news, on Day One, I tried to find hoopsguy's hackers remotely, from my place. It didn;t work. That;s why I needed to go to Lathums (or bsaks's the other victim) house to investigate from there.

On Days Two and Three I did some firewall protection in order to make some cash. I was able to turn my initial stockpile of cash plus the money I made to get me some protection because I feared that once I was revealed, I would be a target. Luckily, I now have protection from a donor and someone who paid me more than I asked for yesterday.

To confirm my story, I beleive hoops pm'd me early on Day Two and asked for me to investigate his hacking. I told him that I already had.

[hoopsguy]

And the newspaper publisher, I'm sure he is in league with them as well! He knows I have meetings with important people that I can not dismiss, yet he delays on releasing his paper. I'm certain it is to keep me from making an informed decision, to keep me in the dark, to laugh with his friends over how they have toyed with me!

[hoopsguy]

To confirm my story, I beleive hoops pm'd me early on Day Two and asked for me to investigate his hacking. I told him that I already had.

Confirmed.

[kingfc22]

Interesting.

[Blade6119]

To confirm my story, I beleive hoops pm'd me early on Day Two and asked for me to investigate his hacking. I told him that I already had.

Two things...didnt someone already claim to be the firewall specialist? Whoever was all over lathum if he had bought anything but a knife?

And secondly, why were you and hoops PMing on day 2?

[Lathum]

ummm-

why file a police report?

why not just out the person so we can lynch them and not waste resources?

[Lathum]

I can confirm anxiety was at my house and on my computer.

[Abe Sargent]

I don't have that option. AlanT required me to file it as a police report.

[Abe Sargent]

Two things...didnt someone already claim to be the firewall specialist? Whoever was all over lathum if he had bought anything but a knife?

And secondly, why were you and hoops PMing on day 2?

On teh Underground, I annoucned my role and prices on Day One. On Day Two, just shortly after it began, I received an underground pm from someone wanting to purchase my services as a hacker tracker. Since only hoopsguy had been hacked, it was easy to figure out it was him.

[Abe Sargent]

I don;t even know who it is. Police have to investiagte in order to find out.

[Lathum]

I don't have that option. AlanT required me to file it as a police report.

well thats horseshit.

It's my freaking computer and I wanna know who was in it!

[Blade6119]

On teh Underground, I annoucned my role and prices on Day One. On Day Two, just shortly after it began, I received an underground pm from someone wanting to purchase my services as a hacker tracker. Since only hoopsguy had been hacked, it was easy to figure out it was him.

Thanks...since i never joined the underground there seems to be a lot going on i have no idea about. I had no idea about any of this.

Is there any other info on the underground us non-subscribers might need to know?

[path12]

Thanks...since i never joined the underground there seems to be a lot going on i have no idea about. I had no idea about any of this.

Is there any other info on the underground us non-subscribers might need to know?


bsak is apparently 90% cleared per one of the detectives.

[Alan T]

The Big City Herald
Edition 19

Comic Section!

Who knew, the Big City Herald has our own comic section!

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y19/Turlos/20070302csdty-a-p.jpg

(I didn't draw this. Its just today's dick tracy comic strip!)

Where are you car 54?

Angry Big City residents have started filing complaints with the Police commisioner that crime reports are going unheard. Evidentally people are filing reports and never hear anything back. Wanda Cresttree told us, "My cat was stuck in the tree for over 5 hours and we filed a police report, but no one ever came!" When asked why not call the fire department she stated, "I didn't see fireman listed on the page 1 roles list.. Darn hidden roles.." The Herald only wonders what happened to the police dispatcher.. information about open crime reports seemed so much more fluent when he was around.

5 Card draw night

The Big City order of the water buffalo proudly present 5 card draw night tonight. The cover is $50, but then all fruit punch is free.

Local Pawn shop deals

It appears the pawn shop can get investigated by the police, but it won't prevent them from doing business. Today's Pawn shop deals:

12 Bullets: $300
Firewall software $350
Bandages $250

[path12]

I didn't know Dick Tracy was still being drawn. That's cool.

[Blade6119]

The Big City Herald
[COLOR=Red]Edition 19

Comic Section!

Who knew, the Big City Herald has our own comic section!

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y19/Turlos/20070302csdty-a-p.jpg

(I didn't draw this. Its just today's dick tracy comic strip!)

Oh god, im screwed...been fun knowing you all

[Lathum]

ok, sooooo, my hacker?

I WANT SOME SWIFT JUSTICE!!!!

[LoneStarGirl]

So swaggs, LSG...where did your actions go today. I have yet to send mine in, and dont want to overlap. I know swaggs sent his in last night, so he has his results back.

Im considering anxiety right now to be honest...i think ill go back and look at just who was pushing him for judge on day 1

I have no idea what to do honestly, I plan on sending my action in shortly

[Chief Rum]

I don't mean to be rude, but given this,



you'll forgive me if I don't think that the good guys should pay too much attention to your thoughts on who we should vote for. You may well be right in this case but I have to question your motives in any vote from now on.

I undertsand, but if you go back and review my posts, I have been very clear about my motives. They are entirely business-related. Business is doing fine, so I am not concerned with things there.

That allows me to follow my natural leaning which is, of course, toward the side of good. So I am offering what help I may.

But, honestly, there is no reason to consider my intent. Simply read what I say and ask yourself if it makes sense. If you think it does, consider it. If it doesn't, reject it on its own merits, not because I said it. While I certainly agree care should be taken when considering the words of independents like myself, they shouldn't be thrown out altogether either, especially when not once has anything come out to suggest I am otherwise than what I am. I would say, in fact, I have been more open and honest than just about anyone in the game, good or bad.

I still say it makes no sense for two wolves to do a yes sir no sir act and have one of them only talk to the other and no one else. Way too obvious. ImTheCrew may be new. DT and stcronin were not. If he was doing something squirrelly, they would have told him to quit it.

[Blade6119]

I have no idea what to do honestly, I plan on sending my action in shortly

I just sent in an order for JE, so i hope you go elsewhere...i still have no idea what swaggs did, which is upsetting

[LoneStarGirl]

hmm that newspaper article didn't really say what you wanted it to say did it anxiety/lathum?

[LoneStarGirl]

I have not joined the underground board... it looks interesting though, maybe i should. I dont know why i am saving my money

[Chief Rum]

I actually have a different theory here.
could it be that there were two small mafia groups? Then they needed to merge their two groups to get their victory along with winning the game.

CR might be able to help us if he wants to share who has bet on the games to see if my theory holds any water, although I guess I could understand if he doesn't as it would hurt his "job" and probally prevent him from his victory condition too.

I think it is better if I keep the bettors' identities to myself for now, but I will say I haven't seen any patterns that would indicate two groups of mafia. That doesn't mean your theory doesn't have any basis, just that I haven't seen any indications of it here at the shop.

[LoneStarGirl]

During the 2 hours I can really get online and play nobody else is on to play with me!

[Dr. Sak]

Okay I have to leave in a few mins. I am sticking with my vote from yesterday for the reasons that I mentioned yesterday.

VOTE MARATHONER

[Chief Rum]

Okay, I'm going to go ahead and reveal. AlanT can post in a bit, but I have Magic people over. Lathum can post what he has.

Like elves, pixies and fairies and stuff?

[Lathum]

Like elves, pixies and fairies and stuff?

snort.
Tell Hermione I said hello.

[Swaggs]

So swaggs, LSG...where did your actions go today. I have yet to send mine in, and dont want to overlap. I know swaggs sent his in last night, so he has his results back.

Im considering anxiety right now to be honest...i think ill go back and look at just who was pushing him for judge on day 1

I sent mine in immediately after the deadline last night and have not heard back yet.

[Blade6119]

I sent mine in immediately after the deadline last night and have not heard back yet.

Well i just got mine back, and its time for JE to talk with us.

He had a solid gold band, one that seemed fairly normal...

The reason i say is that is basically the same thing DT had, and we know how that ended up

[Swaggs]

I'm probably going to head out for dinner when my wife gets home in a few minutes.

Since it looks like our detectives are either AWOL or have other fish to fry and that hoopsguy may be gone for the evening, I am going to stick with my initial vote from yesterday. I know it isn't 100% certain, but I think the clues lead in the direction that Marthoner is hired muscle or, at worst, a thug.

Vote Marathoner

[Blade6119]

For the time being:

VOTE JONATHAN EZARIK

[Blade6119]

And swaggs not getting his back yet, when i have, concerns me to some level...not worth pursuing yet, but its odd

[Lathum]

Is no one else amazed at how quiet JE has been this game?

[Blade6119]

Is no one else amazed at how quiet JE has been this game?
A few players have been extra quiet this game, not just JE

[Swaggs]

Alright... received my results on SnDvls just now.

[Swaggs]

Without giving everything away (his potential occupation), I would say his items indicate that he is a family man and gave me an idea of what type of wealth he has (I'll leave that up to him to reveal, if he chooses), but not much to give me any impression that he is doing anything shady.

[Lathum]

Without giving everything away (his potential occupation), I would say his items indicate that he is a family man and gave me an idea of what type of wealth he has (I'll leave that up to him to reveal, if he chooses), but not much to give me any impression that he is doing anything shady.

what do you mean by family?

[Abe Sargent]

I'll check back in later for more info, so for nopw I'm casting a fill in vote just in case.

Vote Jonathan E

[Swaggs]

what do you mean by family?

He has children.

[Blade6119]

Without giving everything away (his potential occupation), I would say his items indicate that he is a family man and gave me an idea of what type of wealth he has (I'll leave that up to him to reveal, if he chooses), but not much to give me any impression that he is doing anything shady.

I think im going to need more then that...you freely tossed around hoops/marathoner/my role hints. I want to hear what you learned, sorry to sndvls...sndvls is still a person of interest for me, and i think id like to hear what you learned.

You werent coy about your other 3 targets, so i see no reason for you to start now

[Barkeep49]

I have to vote and I don't really have a feel for JE or Marathoner.

[kingfc22]

I really would like some information to base my vote on. Especially since I will be leaving in about half an hour.

[Swaggs]

I think im going to need more then that...you freely tossed around hoops/marathoner/my role hints. I want to hear what you learned, sorry to sndvls...sndvls is still a person of interest for me, and i think id like to hear what you learned.

You werent coy about your other 3 targets, so i see no reason for you to start now

Well sorry you need more, but unfortunately for you, you don't get to make that decision for me.

I gave hoops the choice to remain vague or release the information before releasing his.

The information I gathered about maratoner was, in my opinion, damning, so I released it to the public so that I didn't die with it.

Your information matched up with your claimed role, so I supported you.

I searched SnDvls, in part, because you mentioned him as a suspect. I did not find anything damning about him. If he wants me to corroborate his role later on, I will. Until then, you can either trust me or not when I say that I do not believe he should be a suspect right now.

[Blade6119]

And Swaggs, this may seem an odd question, but bear with me. At around what time did you recieve each of your day action reports(for all 4 days). I know, odd...but im working down a thought line

[Blade6119]

Well sorry you need more, but unfortunately for you, you don't get to make that decision for me.

I gave hoops the choice to remain vague or release the information before releasing his.

The information I gathered about maratoner was, in my opinion, damning, so I released it to the public so that I didn't die with it.

Your information matched up with your claimed role, so I supported you.

I searched SnDvls, in part, because you mentioned him as a suspect. I did not find anything damning about him. If he wants me to corroborate his role later on, I will. Until then, you can either trust me or not when I say that I do not believe he should be a suspect right now.

Id like you to tell me what kind of money he has...i have ways of checking if this is true or not, hence why im trying to trust you if you can tell me this

[Barkeep49]

Ok I liked the thread of reasoning on ITC earlier. His only interactions do seem to be with cronin and it seems very much like a veteran player teaching a new player how to interact.

Vote ITC

[Swaggs]

And Swaggs, this may seem an odd question, but bear with me. At around what time did you recieve each of your day action reports(for all 4 days). I know, odd...but im working down a thought line

I appreciate that line of questioning and what you may learn from it, but I do not want to make that information public. I'm sure if you think about it, you will understand why.

[Swaggs]

Id like you to tell me what kind of money he has...i have ways of checking if this is true or not, hence why im trying to trust you if you can tell me this

Again, I appreciate your line of questioning to pull things together, but as I said, if SnDvls wants to make what type of money he has public, he may do so. In my opinion, there is a bit of benefit to keeping that underwraps, so I will respect him in that manner. If I thought he was shady, I would let everyone know.

[Swaggs]

Barkeep, why ITC?

[Blade6119]

Its not sndvls im trying to trust here, its you...but you dont want to co-operate, and as such i cannot trust you. Im still not sure why you scanned someone ive already checked out, and this as well as your delay will trouble me for awhile...JE is my target right now, but i just dont get your play here to fore

[Swaggs]

Its not sndvls im trying to trust here, its you...but you dont want to co-operate, and as such i cannot trust you. Im still not sure why you scanned someone ive already checked out, and this as well as your delay will trouble me for awhile...JE is my target right now, but i just dont get your play here to fore

Fair enough.

[Marathoner]

Or someone trying to set up Marathoner to look like the thug and take out the judge at the same time.

Marathoner are you saying that you're an independent bodyguard? My trouble with this is that there seems to be an awful lot of non-good roles going around at the moment. I'm no WW vet so I don't know what a reasonable number of good roles we could expect there to be.

Sorry, busy day at work, trying to get caught up now. But what Narcizo said about it being a setup is what I think.

[SnDvls]

swaggs, I'd prefer if you kept my info to yourself for a bit. Thanks for keeping that trust.

[Alan T]

The Big City Herald
Special Edition

POW... It sounded like the car backfiring heard all through out town square this evening. All onlookers heard the sound echo through the allyways. Suddenly people heard shouting,"Someone has been shot! Get help!", others were heard shouting,"It came from the grassy knoll!"

For the second straight day a body has been found as a victim to a horrible crime. The unidentified person has been rushed to Big City Hospital where they undergo emergency treatment.. Doctors there say it does not look good though.

[SnDvls]

I wish we'd get some sort of info back today before I have to make a vote though...it's almost dinner time and I'd like to make a somewhat informed decision.

[kingfc22]

Vote Marathoner

If he was a bodyguard type role, then I think the mafia would have taken him out already. Since he is still around and with not much other info to go on this will be my vote.

[SnDvls]

hoops - any info you've recieved back yet today to report on?

[Marathoner]

self preservation here
VOTE JE

[SnDvls]

vote JE

I have to get a vote in before leaving for dinner in a moment. also I'd say Anxiety seems to be able to vouch his info and have it vouched for him as well, so I'll trust his vote on this one.

[Marathoner]

The Big City Herald
Special Edition

POW... It sounded like the car backfiring heard all through out town square this evening. All onlookers heard the sound echo through the allyways. Suddenly people heard shouting,"Someone has been shot! Get help!", others were heard shouting,"It came from the grassy knoll!"

For the second straight day a body has been found as a victim to a horrible crime. The unidentified person has been rushed to Big City Hospital where they undergo emergency treatment.. Doctors there say it does not look good though.


This has got to be set in Detroit.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Well, I was hoping that I'd given enough hints the other day to what I am that I wouldn't have to do a full reveal, but apparently not.

I'm the doctor. I don't know if Hoopsguy can identify me or not, but I did visit him again today, told him he had some bruising and non-threatening internal bleeding, prescribed some pain medication for him, and instructed him to take it easy for a while.

As for the gunshot victim, I need someone to identify him before I can do anything.

[path12]

I've got to admit I'm lost right now. I don't have a role that let's me find anything out, as a matter of fact my role totally sucks right now because it gives me nothing.

I don't know why nobody even wants to consider the fact that DT might have actually been telling the truth at the end and verify that Blade is still good. I think Marathoner is getting railroaded and I have no idea what JE has done except for being quieter than normal.

I'm trying to switch jobs and be a detective or dispatcher but even though they're killed there is apparently nobody hiring for the positions.

So my vote is a total throwaway and I admit it. VOTE LATHUM. He seems to be reacting rather than driving conversation.

Yep, I got nothin'. :(

[Jonathan Ezarik]

OOC: The reason I've been quiet this game is that I've started a new job and I don't have Internet access during the day.

[Blade6119]

UNVOTE JE

If hes lying, someone can easily call him out on it, including hoopsguy.

So now what? Marathoner is the top vote getter besides JE, and path just acted up.

Maybe you do want to suspect me after i apparently outed the doctor.

[path12]

So now what? Marathoner is the top vote getter besides JE, and path just acted up.


What do you mean I just acted up?

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Maybe you do want to suspect me after i apparently outed the doctor.

I'm not worried about being outed. As I mentioned the other day, I think my role is a benefit to both good and evil. I'm definitely on the side of good, but when it comes down to it, my professional responsibility is to heal people. No matter what their profession is. If a mafia member gets shot, it's my duty to try my best to heal him. So I don't see why I would be a target for a hit.

[path12]

What do you mean I just acted up?

Well I'm leaving work so I won't be around before Blade responds, I guess.

[Blade6119]

What do you mean I just acted up?

You just went and defended all the top suspects(seemingly rightly now) and went after some of the people chasing them. It was different then the norm, so it was acting up. Im not saying your wrong, not by a long shot...it was just unique, and reminded me of bsak yesterday(who seems to be good now too)

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Seeing as how it's Friday night and things are usually slow around here, there might not be enough people coming back to change their vote against me. So:

VOTE MARATHONER

[LoneStarGirl]

I think that JE is telling the truth about being the doctor. Unfortunately I dont think anybody can vouch for him as I have a sneaking suspicion Hoops is probably the dead one. I am going to vote for Path who has been more under the radar this game than most games he plays, and I have seen first hand how good he is as a bad guy.

vote path


I will also be voting for blade as judge right now

[LoneStarGirl]

an hour till deadline? where the hell is everybody?

[Blade6119]

Im here, contemplating where to take my vote

[Alan T]

an hour till deadline? where the hell is everybody?

I'm here!

[LoneStarGirl]

marathoner, what do you have to say about this run against you?

[Blade6119]

VOTE MARATHONER

Half to save JE, half to test swaggs

[LoneStarGirl]

what is the vote count blade?

[Blade6119]

what is the vote count blade?

Quite frankly im not sure, but i thought before JE and i voted JE was up 2-3 votes. I think right now its still pretty even

[Lathum]

OK, I don't know where that vote for me comes from but it makes no sense at all based on the information that has come forward.

UNVOTE JE
VOTE PATH

[Jonathan Ezarik]

what is the vote count blade?

(Including Lathum's last vote)

Marathoner - 5
Jonathan - 3
ImTheCrew - 2
Path - 2
Lathum - 1

[LoneStarGirl]

chief how you doing man? what are you thinking about this vote?

[Chief Rum]

VOTE MARATHONER

Half to save JE, half to test swaggs

The irony.

I see no reason to switch the direction I was going two days ago.

VOTE MARATHONER

Marathoner, if you're a bodyguard or some other role that explains the items Swaggs found, then this is the time to come out with it. Truth be told, yesterday sometime was the time to come out with it.

[Chief Rum]

chief how you doing man? what are you thinking about this vote?


There you go, LSG. Just voted.

[Chief Rum]

BETTING IS CLOSED!!!

I let it go a little longer today, but betting is now closed!

It was close, but the bettors have gone with the Ducks for tonight's matchup. Good luck, everyone!

[LoneStarGirl]

I was thinking about gambling a little bit, you should do texas at kansas or a college game tomorrow.

[Chief Rum]

I was thinking about gambling a little bit, you should do texas at kansas or a college game tomorrow.

I think if I could pick and choose the games, there would be tons of betting. Alan controls what game gets picked, though. I have been fine with the setup.

Truth be told, I doubt very much that Alan intended for me to take it in the direction I took it.

[Marathoner]

marathoner, what do you have to say about this run against you?

Swaggs has made a good sell. Unfortunately you guys will find out I am not a member of the mafia.

[ImTheCrew]

VOTE MARATHONER untile he comes clean

[ImTheCrew]

VOTE MARATHONER---should be

[LoneStarGirl]

okay Alant. Make tomorrows game texas at Kansas! :D

[LoneStarGirl]

dinner, bbl

[Marathoner]

The irony.

I see no reason to switch the direction I was going two days ago.

VOTE MARATHONER

Marathoner, if you're a bodyguard or some other role that explains the items Swaggs found, then this is the time to come out with it. Truth be told, yesterday sometime was the time to come out with it.

Alright, I am the Thug, I am an independent. You guys are not going to get a mafia member tonight. Nice try though.

[Blade6119]

Alright, I am the Thug, I am an independent. You guys are not going to get a mafia member tonight. Nice try though.

What reason do we have to not kill you? Are you the one that attacked hoopsguy, and if so, why? What are your victory conditions?

[Marathoner]

What reason do we have to not kill you? Are you the one that attacked hoopsguy, and if so, why? What are your victory conditions?

I attacked hoopsguy, put him in the ICU. I did not kill him. I did it to try to prevent from being sentenced, it was the only move I had to stay alive.

[Marathoner]

I have no clue who is in the mafia.

[Blade6119]

What are your victory conditions, i repeat?

[Lathum]

I attacked hoopsguy, put him in the ICU. I did not kill him. I did it to try to prevent from being sentenced, it was the only move I had to stay alive.

well then how do we know next time you won't kill someone?

[Marathoner]

What are your victory conditions, i repeat?

To stay alive, make money, aspire to a more organized life.

[Marathoner]

well then how do we know next time you won't kill someone?

I have limited abilities actually, my only weapons are my fists and a lead pipe. Do think I could give them a severe enough thrashing to take them out. Look at hoopsguy, he was better in about an hour.

[Marathoner]

UNVOTE JE
VOTE ITC

[Lathum]

UNVOTE PATH
VOTE MARATHONER

just in case

[Alan T]

Deadline. We are now into Day 5.

Please remember Day 5 is an extended day, the deadline is set for 9:00pm EST on Sunday night. Anyone with timed actions that go off at a specific time, your time applies for Sunday night and not Saturday night.

[Alan T]

Current Judge: None

In Jail: None

Warrants: None

Injuries: None

Job Openings: None

Pawn Shop items for sell:

Bullets x12 $300
Firewall Software $350
Bandages $250

[Alan T]

The Big City Herald
Edition 20

Judge shot down

In a sign that the violence in the Big City was only increasing, today during the middle of the late afternoon, the Honorable Hoopsguy was shot down on the stairs of the courthouse. Hoopsguy was rushed to the hospital in critical condition where he ended up dying before doctors could save his life. This tragedy leaves once again the Big City Bench unmanned. A local police detective who investigated the scene informed us that they were able to find some ballistics traces and are working on leads currently.

Lynch mob e-thugin yo

The apparent death of Hoopsguy was enough to rile up the lynch mob again for the fourth straight day. Their target today was Marathoner, the self-professed attacker of Hoopsguy from just the day before. Even though he went down denying anything to do with today's shooting, the people got some little bit of revenge out of their system.

New Job posting

Wanted: Physical individual who is both strong and hard working. Requires willingness to work long hours, often times in dirty environments. Pay might be lousy, but rewards might not be. If interested, please send message to underground messageboard user #34

(gm note: to apply, in your role description it must state you can change jobs)

Children's day at the Big City park

Today was marked as Children's day at the big city park as families of all ages made their way out for the events. At different stages were various activities such as kite flying, sack races and the always favorite dunking booth. Apparently, the day was a hit with both parents and kids.

[LoneStarGirl]

So I was right about Hoops going down. I think the first order of business should be a new judge, and I have already voted for Blade

[Barkeep49]

Time to elect a new judge. Nice of the mob to give us all weekend to make sure we get our act together. I'm thinking Blade or Anxiety off the top of head, and would be amenable to bsak or Swaggs as well.

[Alan T]

So I was right about Hoops going down. I think the first order of business should be a new judge, and I have already voted for Blade


Thanks for the reminder...

Judge vote for day 4:

Blade - 2


No new judge for day4's vote.

(This normally would be in the paper, but I forgot to put it in!)

[Lathum]

Time to elect a new judge. Nice of the mob to give us all weekend to make sure we get our act together. I'm thinking Blade or Anxiety off the top of head, and would be amenable to bsak or Swaggs as well.

I don't trust bsak at all and I think we need to consider what DT said in regards to Blade.

Anxiety is who would get my vote.

[Swaggs]

Just got home. Sorry that Marathoner was a thug, rather than the hired muscle, but I still think it was a solid choice to make. Particularly in light of the fact that he could be hired out to injure others.

I am willing to throw my vote to Anxiety for judge. I feel better about him than most anyone else left in the game.

[Abe Sargent]

With Marathoner being a Thug, you have to wonder just how many mafia are left.

[Chief Rum]

I need to get in touch with law enforcement. I do not have a crime to report, but I may have information that could be pertinent. I do not know who is left, though.

If you are on the underground message board, I am user #13 there, as I have advertised. Please contact me through a PM there.

Time is an issue. Thanks.

[kingfc22]

Anybody have the vote tally with who voted for who?

[kingfc22]

The only reason I would be weary of voting for Blade to become judge is what DT said combined with the fact that if DT was wrong, then Blade is the next most likely target for the mafia.

[Chief Rum]

DUCKS WIN, AND SO DO THE BETTORS!!!

The bettors are on quite the role right now, having won three nights in a row. That's terrific for the bettors. Not so much for the ones who decided to sit on their hands and not make any money. Will tomorrow's bet see more action?

There is no word yet on which game we will be betting tomorrow, but I should be hearing soon. As soon as I do, I will let you all know and set the deadline.

Congrats to all again. And more to come.

My business alone is probably responisible for huge inflation rates in our fine city. :)

[Chief Rum]

BTW, anyone notice our judge was a crazy delusional patient before he was a judge. Anyone have any thoughts on what effect that might have had on his play?

[Narcizo]

Vote ImTheCrew

For the same (multiple) reasons as yesterday.

[Alan T]

Just a quick intermission for a picture of my baby and her mom before her mom got really sick. I think this right now is my favorite picture in the entire world.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y19/Turlos/chela-elena.jpg


Ok,not back to the lying, stealing, cheating, murdering, and wolf hunting

[Barkeep49]

I was recently accused on the underground message board of being the hacker.

I will confirm that I am the hacker. Money doesn't really interest me, I'm after a particular bit of information (much as Blade is after a particular ring). You'll notice that I've done nothing that has harmed the villagers, and indeed was the tie breaking vote on St.Cronin on day 2, after being an early voter on him, ensuring he was lynched.

If you decide to lynch me because I have to commit crimes to achieve my personal victory, I'll be sad, but understand. Of course if I find the computer of one of the mobsters I should potentially be able to help there. I ask to be judged on ALL of my actions, which I think, aside from the hacking, have been decidedly in the interests of the village.

[Lathum]

I was recently accused on the underground message board of being the hacker.

I will confirm that I am the hacker. Money doesn't really interest me, I'm after a particular bit of information (much as Blade is after a particular ring). You'll notice that I've done nothing that has harmed the villagers, and indeed was the tie breaking vote on St.Cronin on day 2, after being an early voter on him, ensuring he was lynched.

If you decide to lynch me because I have to commit crimes to achieve my personal victory, I'll be sad, but understand. Of course if I find the computer of one of the mobsters I should potentially be able to help there. I ask to be judged on ALL of my actions, which I think, aside from the hacking, have been decidedly in the interests of the village.

what have you learned?

and for some reason someone id under the impression IO had 5K stolen from me, can you please disspell this myth. K. thx.

[LoneStarGirl]

how the hell did you have 5k lathum?

[Lathum]

how the hell did you have 5k lathum?

i didn't

[Barkeep49]

what have you learned?

and for some reason someone id under the impression IO had 5K stolen from me, can you please disspell this myth. K. thx.
I learned that hoops was a harmless crank on my first hack.
I got a list of weapons from bsak on my second hack.
I learned that you like Erick Estrada, which frankly I don't get. I also found out that I suddenly was much richer, to the tune of $5000. Lathum you claim the money isn't yours but we have independent verification that I got the money around the time you got hacked, so I dunno what to think, except that it's yours.

With the heat turned up on me I chose not to hack yesterday.

[Lathum]

i started the game with $1000.

Trust me if I had that kind of money I would have bought a bulletproof vest day one.

[Swaggs]

Damn... some of you guys are very, very wealthy.

[Lathum]

Damn... some of you guys are very, very wealthy.

I'm not one of them.

[Narcizo]

I learned that you like Erick Estrada, which frankly I don't get.

CHIPS? Lathum's the poker player?

This is all well and good but irrelevent. We need to appoint a judge and we need to lynch the mafia.

With the judge I'll vote for the consensus view. I would favour Blade except he says that he's broke and the judge needs to protect himself - he could be a goner in no time. Do we not have a bodyguard role here? Anxiety is just as good in my view although I'm not sure I understand what went on between Lathum and him yesterday.

I have yet to hear anything that gets ImTheCrew off my hook, apart from some wild lashing out at other people yesterday. I'd really like Swaggs to take a look at him. Look at all my posts about ImTheCrew. I don't see anyone else acting that suspiciously apart from bsak who we're certain is the pawnshop owner and probably not bad. He's been completely UTR for the whole game, just popping his head up to vote for yadda yadda yadda, I'm not going to repeat myself again.

[Narcizo]

Actually it looks like Swaggs has quit his job as that seems to be a job ad for a garbageman from what I can see.

[path12]

Alan, that is a great picture. Continued well wishes to you all.

[Swaggs]

Actually it looks like Swaggs has quit his job as that seems to be a job ad for a garbageman from what I can see.

I haven't quit my job.

I saw that posting, but assumed it was for the construction worker.

[Blade6119]

Barkeep, were you the first or second person to hack hoops on day 1?

[Blade6119]

So who besides the Hoops, Bsak, and lathum has been hacked? We supposedly have two hackers, so there should be more.

OR, which i just considered, is hoopsguy falsely reported the second one seeing as how he was a crazy mental patient

[Barkeep49]

Barkeep, were you the first or second person to hack hoops on day 1?
I was the first. The second hack surprised me. I thought for sure it meant that we had two hackers. However, since no further second hacks have occurred, and the hacker hasn't contacted me on the UG mb I thought it was:
A. Anxiety using an ability of his
B. Hoops imagining things

[Abe Sargent]

Vote Barkeep

Here's why:

1). Barkeep is the (a?) hacker. He's hacked into people's computer and he's not doing it for show. Its wrong, its illegal, and it should be punished. Despite his protestations to the contrary.

2). Barkeep is a member of the mafia and is down to him or maybe, at most one other, but porbably jsut him. He knows he needs protection. This is a revealed roles game, for them so part, how does he reveal himself? Reveal as a criminal. The real criminal won;t controvert his statement. Additionally, even if one did, there's still a general belief that there might be two hackers out there. None of the info he's revealed that he found is of much use or he couldn;t put together now on day five looking back.


So, he's either a criminal or a mafia. Neither is fine in my book.

[Lathum]

Barkeep answer this one question for me.


did you steel $5000 from me?

[Barkeep49]

Anxiety: I'm sure your personal victory condition is to see me dead and was expecting you to vote for me.

Criminal acts should be ones that harm the villagers.

The closest I've come to is the $5000 I got after hacking Lathum. However, Lathum says that money isn't his, so I would argue I've caused no harm to anyone and done a great deal of good in helping rid this city of both cronin (where my vote was not only early, it was also the tie breaking vote) and Daddy.

Lathum, to answer your question, the two were linked for me. However, I'm thinking it might be how Swaggs found money in Blade's garbage. Though obviously this is a much larger sum than that was.

[Lathum]

were you given any indication the money was mine or did it just appear?

[Blade6119]

Vote Barkeep

Here's why:

1). Barkeep is the (a?) hacker. He's hacked into people's computer and he's not doing it for show. Its wrong, its illegal, and it should be punished. Despite his protestations to the contrary.

2). Barkeep is a member of the mafia and is down to him or maybe, at most one other, but porbably jsut him. He knows he needs protection. This is a revealed roles game, for them so part, how does he reveal himself? Reveal as a criminal. The real criminal won;t controvert his statement. Additionally, even if one did, there's still a general belief that there might be two hackers out there. None of the info he's revealed that he found is of much use or he couldn;t put together now on day five looking back.


So, he's either a criminal or a mafia. Neither is fine in my book.
So barkeep is evil for doing this, but swaggs does something similar and you dont care?

[Blade6119]

were you given any indication the money was mine or did it just appear?

Lathum, if you kept your money in the bank i believe him. Swaggs stole from me because my money was at home. Pickpockets steal if you keep it on you, swaggs if you keep it at home, and barkeep if you keep it at the bank.

Thats my current assesment of the game mechanics