Werewolf XLIII - The Big City (Game over)

[SnDvls]

vote St. Cronin

to keep it tied and everyone honest

[st.cronin]

Path goes up a notch in my trust list, fwiw.

[path12]

Following up on what Blade said and the edition of the paper with the Forbes article: Cronin's victory condition is that the mafia boss dies; he has a nice ring but not necessarily the nicest; he has an unlisted role and he supposedly has a decent amount of money. Does that sound like mafia heir to anyone else?

[Dr. Sak]

I am a little skeptical about trusting Blade but he does make some good points. But there are a few other people flying under the radar that I want to check out. I have to reread some more. I have been skimming all day and between the people being here to finish my kitchen and doing work from home my day has been hectic. Right now I am leaning towards Cronin.

[SnDvls]

is no one going to mention that Tyrith is missing????

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Jonathan Ezarik - Lathum (873), ImTheCrew (920), Kingfc (979)

Interesting set of people voting for me. ITC, who was a late vote for ntn yesterday. Kingfc, who didn't vote at all yesterday. And Lathum, who voted for me yesterday without giving a reason.

I'm not sure what to make of all this. I have a role that, despite being good, benefits both the good citizens of this fine city, and the members of the mafia. I can't imagine why anyone would want me killed.

[st.cronin]

is no one going to mention that Tyrith is missing????

I alluded to it. Path and him were going at it. I'm not really sure. It would be very crafty of path to kill Tyrith right after an argument (ping: Lathum and Blade).

[path12]

is no one going to mention that Tyrith is missing????

It looks like the bad guys struck. I don't know what else to say about it, especially since he and I got into it earlier.

[st.cronin]

Screw it, I'm going with my gut.

unvote Jonathan E
vote path 12

If you all want to lynch me, go ahead. But you're being manipulated by somebody, and its not me.

[path12]

Path goes up a notch in my trust list, fwiw.

Screw it, I'm going with my gut.

unvote Jonathan E
vote path 12

If you all want to lynch me, go ahead. But you're being manipulated by somebody, and its not me.

Huh?

[st.cronin]

Huh?

I changed my mind. My reflexive action was that you were being set up. But I think I've seen it the other way more often, where it just looked like somebody was being set up.

[Alan T]

The Big City Herald
Edition 11

Ransom!

The story first broke to you by the Big City Herald has now officially taken a turn for the abnormal. It appears initial signs are that Tyrith might actually still be alive. An unidentified source has told the Herald that a ransom demand has been placed for Tyrith to be returned to his family alive. We currently have no confirmed response for what the demand actually was, but one family member was over heard saying,"Ransom? Heck, you can keep him."

Basketball underway

The Villanova, Uconn game has just gotten underway in Big City's own arena. The early score currently has the Wildcats over the Huskies 6-2. We have no confirmation however to the rumor that local bookies have guns pointed at the head of the Uconn players if they decide to try to pull an upset in this one.

Mob roars its ugly head

Just like yesterday as reports of more crime break, the mood among the normally docile people of Big City start to get aggrivated. Down in the town square, some are overheard shouting,"We want his head! We want his head!" The Herald currently isn't sure if the person referred to here is one of the current Big City's own residents or some obscure Britney Spears reference. Currently it appears the mob is targeting its anger at people who have nice rings or people who have last names that begin with E.

[path12]

I changed my mind. My reflexive action was that you were being set up. But I think I've seen it the other way more often, where it just looked like somebody was being set up.

That's cool. I now think you're likely the mafia heir for the reasons I noted above, so I'll change my mind also.

UNVOTE SWAGGS
VOTE ST CRONIN

[Dr. Sak]

I am getting busy filling out an NCAA poll. I am going to keep an eye on the proceedings but I want to make sure I at least vote. So i am going with my initial statement.

VOTE ST CRONIN

[st.cronin]

Well, this isn't going quite the way I expected. I'm not getting lynched today. My order has been sent. #2 man gets lynched.

[hoopsguy]

Hmmm, wonder if the Saint could be bluffing to try and avoid more votes? But if he isn't, then I'm basically letting other people decide who gets mob action by voting for him, and I don't like that much either.

Going to check on something and then cast a vote.

[hoopsguy]

Among the wealthiest in our town are a Pawnshop owner, the heir to the mafia family, the Banker, one of our very own police detectives and a doctor. Forbes does admit that a few individuals may have asked to not be included in the survey however for whatever personal reasons.

Random observation - why would a police detective be rolling in cash?

We know that Barkeep49 has switched stories about his wealth, while saying his role was not that interesting. I'm thinking bluff, just a matter of whether it is for good or bad. But he hasn't given me any reasons with his posts to change from where I was headed yesterday when I questioned his truthfulness. And I'm not the most tolerant person for people who say one thing to your face, then do another behind your back. Because they are liable to stab you in it ...

VOTE BARKEEP49

[st.cronin]

Random observation - why would a police detective be rolling in cash?

It does sound crazy, doesn't it.

[st.cronin]

I'm starting to think there's a conspiracy against me. Well, I will prevail.

[hoopsguy]

Or there is one hacker attempting to cover himself. But User 14 admitted they are a hacker.

The same person hinted at having a limited duke-type ability in an earlier post.

st. cronin, it sounds like you have a duke-type ability. Hacker skills as well?

[hoopsguy]

I'm starting to think there's a conspiracy against me. Well, I will prevail.

Welcome to the club - I live my life KNOWING there is a conspiracy against me :eek: :mad:

[Abe Sargent]

I haven't gotten caught up, but I have reported a crime that should appear momentarily, and I wanted to get that posted before I get caught up.

[hoopsguy]

So I have a feeling that a certain player knows my role. I am ready to reveal if a player steps up and says that they suspect what role I have. I will not reveal their role, simply mine.

This was right before the deadline last night, when you were not in any danger of being lynched by the mob. No one emerged to suggest they knew your role, and you have not commented on it since. So why did you put this offer out there? What were you looking to gain?

[st.cronin]

st. cronin, it sounds like you have a duke-type ability. Hacker skills as well?

Not necessarily. Hoops, I'm trying very hard to clue people in. I'm not a fan of lynching Barkeep, but I'll vote him if I have to. I think there are better candidates out there.

I'm not out to get you, hoops guy.

[hoopsguy]

Why is Barkeep49 low on your list, st. cronin?

[Jonathan Ezarik]

st. cronin, it sounds like you have a duke-type ability. Hacker skills as well?

I don't think st. cronin is the same as User 14. I think the duke ability for the hacker was only for yesterday's vote. According to the underground board, it looks like that player (possible hacker) will get the ability again tomorrow.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

For the record, I have voted for Hoopsguy as judge. I'm kind of concerned that he's been hacked twice, though. What worries me is that he could be blackmailed if there was something juicy discovered by the hackers.

[Swaggs]

Interesting stuff, as I catch up.

As much as I disagree with Path's angle today, particularly with his logic regarding the judge, I don't think he would have come out against me so vocally if he were mafia, so I'm holding off against giving him a counter-vote.

[hoopsguy]

If I can be blackmailed in this game, I don't know about it. Then again, I have no idea what was on my computer :(

[st.cronin]

Welcome to the club - I live my life KNOWING there is a conspiracy against me :eek: :mad:

Why is Barkeep49 low on your list, st. cronin?

Do you look for clues in every innocuous post?

[st.cronin]

unvote path
vote Jonathan E

Call me paranoid.

[hoopsguy]

OK, I submitted my vote for H--PSG--Y for judge.

I just realized what is awesome about this - Lathum can't even spell in Hangman! :D

[Blade6119]

lol, cronin...now i know why you wanted to go to your death silently..because you dont plan on dying. So who in this town would have power enough to change a lynch? Not too many, but id imagine its not a good only power

[Jonathan Ezarik]

VOTE ST. CRONIN

I would rather vote for Lathum, ITC, or kingfc, but I've got to protect myself.

[Swaggs]

Hoops (and others), are you aware that you have access to a computer or did the crimes reveal it to you?

[SnDvls]

lol, cronin...now i know why you wanted to go to your death silently..because you dont plan on dying. So who in this town would have power enough to change a lynch? Not too many, but id imagine its not a good only power

do we want to challenge him on this or take the power from him now by mixing it up?

if he's lying he goes anyhow
if he's telling the truth and the #2 guy goes we need to be sure that we believe #2 is bad too.

[st.cronin]

lol, cronin...now i know why you wanted to go to your death silently..because you dont plan on dying. So who in this town would have power enough to change a lynch? Not too many, but id imagine its not a good only power

I think at this point if a seer came out and said I was cleared, and that seer was then lynched and Alan said that player was a seer, you would still be suspicious of me. That's cool. I don't get it, but it's cool. You're not paranoid if they're really out to get you.

[Blade6119]

Hoops (and others), are you aware that you have access to a computer or did the crimes reveal it to you?

I got the impression, wrongly perhaps, they had no idea.

Much like rings...you all have one, but you dont know about it

[Swaggs]

Anyone have a current vote count?

[SnDvls]

Hoops (and others), are you aware that you have access to a computer or did the crimes reveal it to you?

I think the rules mention that everyone can join the underground message board.....I did it yesterday. And Alan's day 1 newspaper 1 talked about the $100 to join.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

do we want to challenge him on this or take the power from him now by mixing it up?

if he's lying he goes anyhow
if he's telling the truth and the #2 guy goes we need to be sure that we believe #2 is bad too.

If #2 refers to me, I sure hope not. For the well being of Big City, it's vital that I remain.

[hoopsguy]

Hoops (and others), are you aware that you have access to a computer or did the crimes reveal it to you?

I first learned of it when I was hacked the first time. I was already painfully aware of it when I was hacked the second time :mad:

(goes to check on computer, wonders why it is still intact)

[Blade6119]

I think at this point if a seer came out and said I was cleared, and that seer was then lynched and Alan said that player was a seer, you would still be suspicious of me. That's cool. I don't get it, but it's cool. You're not paranoid if they're really out to get you.
See, now your just being a sour puss...your ring was unique, it showed you had money..you would not come out and say you had a lot of money, and even tried to guess you would have no ring. If your good, then im sorry for screwing up your game. But i dont think you changing a lynch means much when alan said their were multiple roles that could effect who got lynched.

[st.cronin]

VOTE ST. CRONIN

I would rather vote for Lathum, ITC, or kingfc, but I've got to protect myself.

Deal.

unvote Jonathan E


your move

[Jonathan Ezarik]

UNVOTE ST. CRONIN

[hoopsguy]

I think the rules mention that everyone can join the underground message board.....I did it yesterday. And Alan's day 1 newspaper 1 talked about the $100 to join.

An early newpaper article indicated that 55% (11 out of our 20 original people) had joined. And obviously more could as they decided to spend money. So more people than not are hooked into this.

[SnDvls]

Well, this isn't going quite the way I expected. I'm not getting lynched today. My order has been sent. #2 man gets lynched.

here's what St. C said so JE if the vote count puts you at #2 then it would be you. Again assuming St. C isn't lying either.

[Blade6119]

do we want to challenge him on this or take the power from him now by mixing it up?

if he's lying he goes anyhow
if he's telling the truth and the #2 guy goes we need to be sure that we believe #2 is bad too.

I say he force him to use the power, and still have a seer go after him later. If hes evil, hes the mafia boss or mafia heir. Both would have tons of power, and be able to change a vote. Getting this power out of the way now is good for us(as if he is good, evil will just night kill him later if need be)

[st.cronin]

I say he force him to use the power, and still have a seer go after him later. If hes evil, hes the mafia boss or mafia heir. Both would have tons of power, and be able to change a vote. Getting this power out of the way now is good for us(as if he is good, evil will just night kill him later if need be)

First of all, I'm not the mafia heir. But why do we assume that the mafia heir is bad? Isn't it at least plausible that he would be neutral, with win conditions that the village would want to keep intact?

[Swaggs]

I say he force him to use the power, and still have a seer go after him later. If hes evil, hes the mafia boss or mafia heir. Both would have tons of power, and be able to change a vote. Getting this power out of the way now is good for us(as if he is good, evil will just night kill him later if need be)

Agreed.

I never have a problem with the duke revealing early, as all can tell from past games. I may have to switch it out of defense, but right now...

Vote st. cronin

[hoopsguy]

Hmm, I'm beginning to suspect that Blade6119 may be the mafia boss looking for his heir based on the ring. He had to come public with the story about why he is looking at rings since DaddyTorgo (and now st.cronin today) have gotten PMs about the encounters.

That makes more sense to me than the story that Blade6119 is running with.

UNVOTE BARKEEP49
VOTE BLADE6119

[Swaggs]

First of all, I'm not the mafia heir. But why do we assume that the mafia heir is bad? Isn't it at least plausible that he would be neutral, with win conditions that the village would want to keep intact?

What are you, then?

[Jonathan Ezarik]

VOTE BARKEEP

If st. cronin is telling the truth and #2 dies, this is a life saving maneuver for me.

[Blade6119]

First of all, I'm not the mafia heir. But why do we assume that the mafia heir is bad? Isn't it at least plausible that he would be neutral, with win conditions that the village would want to keep intact?

lol, my victory conditions say the mafia boss and the mafia family. I have a very hard time imagining the heir to not fall under "family." Therefore he must die

[st.cronin]

Hmm, I'm beginning to suspect that Blade6119 may be the mafia boss looking for his heir based on the ring. He had to come public with the story about why he is looking at rings since DaddyTorgo (and now st.cronin today) have gotten PMs about the encounters.

That makes more sense to me than the story that Blade6119 is running with.

UNVOTE BARKEEP49
VOTE BLADE6119

This is so crazy its almost plausible.

vote Blade6119

[DaddyTorgo]

Hmm, I'm beginning to suspect that Blade6119 may be the mafia boss looking for his heir based on the ring. He had to come public with the story about why he is looking at rings since DaddyTorgo (and now st.cronin today) have gotten PMs about the encounters.

That makes more sense to me than the story that Blade6119 is running with.

UNVOTE BARKEEP49
VOTE BLADE6119

that's a really interesting idea hoops...hmmm

[SnDvls]

could it be there are two heirs to the mafia boss' throne? one good and one bad.
If I remember correctly there was a game where there was a hidden son who if night attacked joined the wolves. do I remember correctly?

[hoopsguy]

I would love if DaddyTorgo were around to give input on it. st.cronin, how would this idea jive with your perceptions of the encounter with Blade6119?

[DaddyTorgo]

i'm here hoopsguy

[Blade6119]

You have to be kidding me...and you people think i pull stuff out of my hat.

You really believe alan would give the mafia boss a roll that put him into such public contact so early? My role is like a guranteed die early role...if you guys believe this ill be stunned

[DaddyTorgo]

that would certainly be interesting...the msg I got was along the lines of "blade looked at your ring, looked dissapointed, and moved on without a word"

[DaddyTorgo]

vote count?

[hoopsguy]

Put yourself in the shoes of someone who got that role - you have a victory condition around finding an heir that we know is in the game thanks to Forbes. You have to search people to identify them - what kind of story would you concoct to cover up your activity? I'm going to stick with this and see where it heads.

[Swaggs]

Hell with it, I know it will make me look even worse by switching my vote, but hoopsguy's idea makes a lot of sense to me. Plus, if he delivers us a mafia member, out of the blue, he will certainly be a reliable judge.

Unvote st. cronin

Vote Blade6119

[SnDvls]

OOC: got to give the little one a bath be back in a bit.

[st.cronin]

I would love if DaddyTorgo were around to give input on it. st.cronin, how would this idea jive with your perceptions of the encounter with Blade6119?

Initially it strikes me as a neutral idea, going off my pm.

[hoopsguy]

As of Post #1063:

Barkeep49 - Marathoner (832), Chief Rum (845), Jonathan Ezarik (1053)

Jonathan Ezarik - Lathum (873), ImTheCrew (920), Kingfc (979)

st. cronin - Blade6119 (887), LoneStarGirl (960), Barkeep49 (963), SnDvls (1001), path12 (1013), bsak16 (1014), Swaggs (1050)

ImTheCrew - Narcizo (906)

path12 - Anxiety (929)

Blade6119 - hoopsguy (1051), st.cronin (1055)

[DaddyTorgo]

what's the vote count like?

[DaddyTorgo]

makes more sense than my slight reason for voting Swaggs

UNVOTE SWAGGS
VOTE BLADE6119

this one is on you hoops

[st.cronin]

Initially it strikes me as a neutral idea, going off my pm.

What I mean is, there is no indication in my pm that he is or is not mafia.

[Blade6119]

Put yourself in the shoes of someone who got that role - you have a victory condition around finding an heir that we know is in the game thanks to Forbes. You have to search people to identify them - what kind of story would you concoct to cover up your activity? I'm going to stick with this and see where it heads.

You think that the mafia boss does his own work? If i were the head of the underground, id have thugs and peons who could do that footwork for me. Your really stretching here hoops, even for you.

All im seeing right now is a nice group to pick from for tomorrow ring viewing

[Swaggs]

What are you, Blade?

[Blade6119]

So now im tied for 2nd place...im stunned, day one you kill a detective...day 2 you kill the ONLY person giving you information this game(if cronin can duke, good or evil)...im just stunned at this

[hoopsguy]

Updated as of Post #1072:

Barkeep49 - Marathoner (832), Chief Rum (845), Jonathan Ezarik (1053)

Jonathan Ezarik - Lathum (873), ImTheCrew (920), Kingfc (979)

st. cronin - Blade6119 (887), LoneStarGirl (960), Barkeep49 (963), SnDvls (1001), path12 (1013), bsak16 (1014)

ImTheCrew - Narcizo (906)

path12 - Anxiety (929)

Blade6119 - hoopsguy (1051), st.cronin (1055), Swaggs (1064), DaddyTorgo (1069)

[Blade6119]

What are you, Blade?

I am the jeweler. My eye for precious gems is excellent.

Ive told you my day action, ive told you my personal and team victory condition...ive told you everything, including the results of my inspections.

[Dr. Sak]

If Cronin is going to get someone besides himself killed anyway I think I am going to change. I am not going to vote for someone who isn't going to die and just make the #2 die. I am going to trust hoops as did a few others did in the past few mins. So again if Blade goes and it winds up he was a good guy, hoops is gonna have a lot of explaining to do.

UNVOTE CRONIN
VOTE BLADE6119

[Blade6119]

You guys are amazing...just stunning...i cant believe you are doing this

[Blade6119]

Im now tied with cronin for the lead, so he doesnt even have to use his power now

[hoopsguy]

And if you are telling the truth, Blade6119, then I expect any potential judgeship for me will be brief.

[DaddyTorgo]

You guys are amazing...just stunning...i cant believe you are doing this

well the proof will be in the pudding blade. And if we're wrong, hoops will have some serious looks his way.

[Swaggs]

St. Cronin, I want to know more about your role... and in a hurry.

[Swaggs]

and, the reason I ask is because Blade made a pretty reasonable explanation up in a hurry.

[Blade6119]

And if you are telling the truth, Blade6119, then I expect any potential judgeship for me will be brief.

Thats exactly the point...not only are you not forcing cronin to use his power, your all already setting it up where hoopsguy goes under the microscope tomorrow instead of cronin. And you cant double lynch/convict since hes the judge..man you guys have screwed the pooch

[st.cronin]

Swaggs: I am a powerful out of towner, interested in cleaning up this city for my own reasons.

[Swaggs]

Did you know you had a ring?

[Alan T]

Deadline. We are now in day 3

[hoopsguy]

I'm intrigued by the lack of action/comments by a few of the bystanders here. Unless I'm imagining things, Anxiety, Marathoner, SnDvls, and Jonathan Ezarik basically took in the last twenty minutes without comment in the middle of a pretty intense situation.

[st.cronin]

I already said I did not.

[Blade6119]

I think we finished with a tie...either way you guys amaze me.

If im to die, my top suspect after cronin was and still is sndvls. Do not let me go under the the radar.

After him, just go through the list that swapped to me...it should read like a list of the mafia

[Alan T]

Current Judge: Hoopsguy

In Jail: None

Warrants: None

Injuries: None

Job Openings: None

Pawn Shop items for sell: None

[hoopsguy]

This is what I show for final vote:

Barkeep49 - Marathoner (832), Chief Rum (845), Jonathan Ezarik (1053)

Jonathan Ezarik - Lathum (873), ImTheCrew (920), Kingfc (979)

st. cronin - Blade6119 (887), LoneStarGirl (960), Barkeep49 (963), SnDvls (1001), path12 (1013)

ImTheCrew - Narcizo (906)

path12 - Anxiety (929)

Blade6119 - hoopsguy (1051), st.cronin (1055), Swaggs (1064), DaddyTorgo (1069), Bsak (1076)

[Jonathan Ezarik]

I'm intrigued by the lack of action/comments by a few of the bystanders here. Unless I'm imagining things, Anxiety, Marathoner, SnDvls, and Jonathan Ezarik basically took in the last twenty minutes without comment in the middle of a pretty intense situation.

I was waiting to see if I needed to move my vote to save my neck again. I wasn't about to get into any conversations about what Blade might or might not be.

[Swaggs]

Hey Marathoner... how you doing?

[Abe Sargent]

I didn;t know who was lyign and who wasn't - and half payign attention cause my gf is here looking over my shoulder as I speak.

[Marathoner]

I was waiting to see if I needed to move my vote to save my neck again. I wasn't about to get into any conversations about what Blade might or might not be.

Agreed, I was not going to get into a debate about Blade. I cast my lot early and failed to find a compelling reason to change.

[Marathoner]

Hey Marathoner... how you doing?

dola
I am doing great. Yourself?

[Swaggs]

dola
I am doing great. Yourself?

I'm great.

Are you a thug?

[Alan T]

The Big City Herald
Edition 11

Here comes the judge.. here comes the judge...

Finally on a day which Big City saw the most violent crimes to date, the citizens of Big City spoke in unison to elect a new member as judge. We have received the final ballot results below:

Hoopsguy - 12
Anxiety - 2
Blade - 2

Another abduction?

Another apparent abduction attempt occured today as a new report comes in. A local citizen filed just before a mob outside of the police department became overly roudy.

At 8:00 pm local was attacked and forcibly removed from home by members unknown. Was forced into vehicle after being restriained and bag placed over head. Was threatened by several unknown males to work for "The Boss." Complainant escaped.

This was filed at police headquarters under Crime report #6. The victim is reportedly home safe and sound, but a little shaken.

Lynch mob takes another life

Once again, in the early evening hours, a mob of people that had gotten more and more violent throughout the day has taken a life in the name of justice. The scene reportedly started when two men in the middle of the crowd, St.Cronin and Blade started yelling at each other.

Reportedly the mob of people got whipped into a frenzy when all sorts of rocks and other projectiles started to be thrown. As the crowd of people closed in, the yelling turned into all kinds of punching, scratching and biting. As police finally gathered to break up the scene, it was shown that one man laid dead there. St.cronin apparently was stabbed in the back with a dagger by someone he could not see. One person was overheard saying," Funny.. he looks rather old to be a mafia heir..."

[Abe Sargent]

I didn;t know who was lyign and who wasn't - and half payign attention cause my gf is here looking over my shoulder as I speak.

And now she's giving me sexy eyes.

[Abe Sargent]

The Big City Herald
Edition 11

Here comes the judge.. here comes the judge...

Finally on a day which Big City saw the most violent crimes to date, the citizens of Big City spoke in unison to elect a new member as judge. We have received the final ballot results below:

Hoopsguy - 12
Anxiety - 2
Blade - 2

Another abduction?

Another apparent abduction attempt occured today as a new report comes in. A local citizen filed just before a mob outside of the police department became overly roudy.



This was filed at police headquarters under Crime report #6. The victim is reportedly home safe and sound, but a little shaken.

Lynch mob takes another life

Once again, in the early evening hours, a mob of people that had gotten more and more violent throughout the day has taken a life in the name of justice. The scene reportedly started when two men in the middle of the crowd, St.Cronin and Blade started yelling at each other.

Reportedly the mob of people got whipped into a frenzy when all sorts of rocks and other projectiles started to be thrown. As the crowd of people closed in, the yelling turned into all kinds of punching, scratching and biting. As police finally gathered to break up the scene, it was shown that one man laid dead there. St.cronin apparently was stabbed in the back with a dagger by someone he could not see. One person was overheard saying," Funny.. he looks rather old to be a mafia heir..."




Okay, this is the police report I just mentioned a short while ago. I was being abducted and they told me to work for their boss and then I got away. I'd say it was a failed conversion attempt but I don't know for sure.

[Swaggs]

Damn... we got the mob boss.

[Marathoner]

I'm great.

Are you a thug?

lol, now why would you think that?

[DaddyTorgo]

alright blade...you were right apparently. Fortunately you managed to escape and things ended up "right"

[Swaggs]

lol, now why would you think that?

I'm hoping for the best.

[Blade6119]

Ya, now i want all of you to take a second to re-asses that cronin was the mob boss. Now look at the 5 vote swap in the final 20 posts to save him, and kill me(led by hoops).

Then tell me im evil, and explain why you vote hoops to be judge...

[Blade6119]

alright blade...you were right apparently. Fortunately you managed to escape and things ended up "right"

Yes, and you were a major playing in almost saving the mob boss. All the trust you had garnered is totally gone...hope it was worth it

[Marathoner]

I'm hoping for the best.

nice try :)

[Blade6119]

And ive been after cronin for 2 days now, since early day one. So if you want to try to somehow spin im the heir and i saw his ring, i wanted him dead yesterday.

Come on hoops, lets hear your spin...im waiting

[Swaggs]

nice try :)

Well, the alternative is that you are the mafia's hired muscle.

So, are you a thug or muscle?

[SnDvls]

I'm intrigued by the lack of action/comments by a few of the bystanders here. Unless I'm imagining things, Anxiety, Marathoner, SnDvls, and Jonathan Ezarik basically took in the last twenty minutes without comment in the middle of a pretty intense situation.

sorry I had real life issues...and I stated that I'm back now

[hoopsguy]

10. St.Cronin - Lynched Day 2 - Mafia Crime Boss


Well, it appears that Blade6119 may have been right about the list of people voting for him as a who's who of Mafia, but I'm not one of them.

Great result, and I'll answer any questions people may have about my actions nearly derailing this outcome.

[DaddyTorgo]

Yes, and you were a major playing in almost saving the mob boss. All the trust you had garnered is totally gone...hope it was worth it

i'm a major player now? I do believe I was like...the third vote or 4th vote in there dude. Hardly "major." the judge was the one who drove it. was it worth it...no of course not. Had I known cronin was the mob boss I would have voted for him. But honestly I didn't think the case against him was THAT strong, he could have been any of a number of people on that rich list.

[Blade6119]

Well, it appears that Blade6119 may have been right about the list of people voting for him as a who's who of Mafia, but I'm not one of them.

Great result, and I'll answer any questions people may have about my actions nearly derailing this outcome.
Why did you concoct a baseless story at the final second to save the mafia boss and try to kill the only semi-cleared(hopefully now fully cleared) player? Why should we not kill you?

[Abe Sargent]

My gf is asking me into the shower. Be back later. VERY later.

[Marathoner]

Well, the alternative is that you are the mafia's hired muscle.

So, are you a thug or muscle?

:confused:

[Swaggs]

:p My gf is asking me into the shower. Be back later. VERY later.

He'll be back in 90 seconds.

[Blade6119]

i'm a major player now? I do believe I was like...the third vote or 4th vote in there dude. Hardly "major." the judge was the one who drove it. was it worth it...no of course not. Had I known cronin was the mob boss I would have voted for him. But honestly I didn't think the case against him was THAT strong, he could have been any of a number of people on that rich list.

So to vote me you must have thought hoops' story was more believable, despit his coming right before the deadline day 2 and mine was over 2 days and included direct contact with you. Explain to me how the case against me was stronger then against cronin...please

[Swaggs]

Guys, I have a reveal, before we go too far in the wrong direction. I think I'd rather get this information out too early, rather than too late.

I am the janitor and, once every other day, I can go through citizens' trash and find clues about them.

First day, I checked out hoopsguys' trash and found a few things to indicate that he is a little "out there," but nothing to indicate that he is in the mafia.

However, just got the day 3 info... and, I checked on Marathoner. His trash had bodybuilding magazines and catalogs for bulletproof vests.

Do with it what you will.

[Lathum]

nice job Blade. Cronin was correct, once a game you have a revelation :)

[hoopsguy]

Why did you concoct a baseless story at the final second to save the mafia boss and try to kill the only semi-cleared(hopefully now fully cleared) player? Why should we not kill you?

Not kill - because it won't help clean up the city. Because two people have information on me, and unless you believe both of them are mafia then it would have made sense for them to come after me today if they had any reason to believe I'm evil.

Baseless story - because it made more sense to me than the version you gave, basically. Because I still think you are playing fast and loose with the truth, even if you were targeting the mob boss today. I now think it is way less likely you are sporting a tommy gun, if that makes you feel better.

[SnDvls]

Guys, I have a reveal, before we go too far in the wrong direction. I think I'd rather get this information out too early, rather than too late.

I am the janitor and, once every other day, I can go through citizens' trash and find clues about them.

First day, I checked out hoopsguys' trash and found a few things to indicate that he is a little "out there," but nothing to indicate that he is in the mafia.

However, just got the day 3 info... and, I checked on Marathoner. His trash had bodybuilding magazines and catalogs for bulletproof vests.

Do with it what you will.


I guess this explains this question then

Well, the alternative is that you are the mafia's hired muscle.

So, are you a thug or muscle?

[Swaggs]

Not kill - because it won't help clean up the city. Because two people have information on me, and unless you believe both of them are mafia then it would have made sense for them to come after me today if they had any reason to believe I'm evil.

Baseless story - because it made more sense to me than the version you gave, basically. Because I still think you are playing fast and loose with the truth, even if you were targeting the mob boss today. I now think it is way less likely you are sporting a tommy gun, if that makes you feel better.

As I have alluded to earlier today, I don't think you are mafia and I won't be voting for you. I know you have your eccentricities, but I believe you are on our side.

I think Marathoner is a good bet to be hired muscle, though.

[DaddyTorgo]

So to vote me you must have thought hoops' story was more believable, despit his coming right before the deadline day 2 and mine was over 2 days and included direct contact with you. Explain to me how the case against me was stronger then against cronin...please

nah. I just have a habit of swaying at the last minute as a villager when someone comes up with some fantastical story.

figured I dunno...maybe he just had like a "lightbulb" moment and made a connection whereas yours seemed more...logical. And sometimes the logical in these games is almost TOO logical.

honestly...i dunno. I guess I just have a weakness for last-minute vote-changing dramatic stories

[Blade6119]

I have a group of 3 people i believe to be mafia...hoops isnt in it if it helps

[hoopsguy]

Marathoner held off on voting for Blade6119 down the stretch, despite being in the room while st.cronin had the lead. Doesn't necessarily mean anything, but I would think the Mob would have been incented to try and save the boss with 1-2 votes - right? Don't want to all get grouped together, but that was a key role on the line.

[Dr. Sak]

I'll admit it, I messed up. I believed hoops' story. I should have kept with my gut feel and thankfully my mess up didn't cost getting the mob boss.

[hoopsguy]

Going to watch "JFK" and "Conspiracy Theory", be back later this evening.

[Lathum]

I have a group of 3 people i believe to be mafia...hoops isnt in it if it helps

well since you think you are gonna be offed you may want to share.

[ImTheCrew]

just got back and caught up, nice voting guys! we got the boss!

[Blade6119]

Sndvls, Swaggs, and DaddyTorgo...thats my mafia list right now

[Swaggs]

Sndvls, Swaggs, and DaddyTorgo...thats my mafia list right now

I'm the janitor.

[SnDvls]

Sndvls, Swaggs, and DaddyTorgo...thats my mafia list right now

you know you keep randomly tossing my name out there
what's up with that?

[SnDvls]

Sndvls, Swaggs, and DaddyTorgo...thats my mafia list right now

you know you keep randomly tossing my name out there
what's up with that?

[Blade6119]

I'm the janitor.

And cronin was an influential person from out of town...:rolleyes:

[Swaggs]

And cronin was an influential person from out of town...:rolleyes:

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Blade6119]

you know you keep randomly tossing my name out there
what's up with that?

In every game, at least one wolf goes against the others so they dont all die im one lump sum. You have been UTR, you have played carefully in regards to cronin, and you voted at a time that it seemed clear he was a goner. I dont believe all the wolves swapped, i just dont. And you(as i stated early today before this whole mess) are my #2 suspect.

[DaddyTorgo]

me? wow, that's a pretty big reversal there blade.

[SnDvls]

In every game, at least one wolf goes against the others so they dont all die im one lump sum. You have been UTR, you have played carefully in regards to cronin, and you voted at a time that it seemed clear he was a goner. I dont believe all the wolves swapped, i just dont. And you(as i stated early today before this whole mess) are my #2 suspect.

check your facts.. I tied it up when JE was in the lead back to cronin.

[kingfc22]

Nice job Blade. Way to knock out the king.

That was one hell of a run of votes on Blade. I'm guessing we have at least 1 if not 2 more mafia members on that list.

[Swaggs]

I'm taking off for a bit.

I would have liked to hear Marathoner's explanation for needing a bulletproof vest and the muscle magazines, but I think he is hoping it will pass over or get lost in Blade's soapbox moment of getting something right, which I'm sure we'll hear about for the rest of the game.

Vote Marathoner


I am also putting it out there that hoopsguy is an eccentric, but not a badguy. I will not switch my vote for judge from him, as I feel like he is on our side.

[Lathum]

I see no reason not to believe swaggs. What would he have to gain from making this play and why Marathoner?

If he was trying to cause trouble there are alot of other names he could have picked like hoops.

[DaddyTorgo]

VOTE MARATHONER

seems solid (for now) Swaggs.

[Blade6119]

check your facts.. I tied it up when JE was in the lead back to cronin.

Fair enough...i may have mispoke there...but i suspected you before the lynch so it matters little. Im not trying to lynch you yet, just saying your my top suspect for when i die. They will go after DT/Swaggs/hoops, and i dont want you to coast

[Blade6119]

I see no reason not to believe swaggs. What would he have to gain from making this play and why Marathoner?

If he was trying to cause trouble there are alot of other names he could have picked like hoops.

What could he have to gain? Other then trying to avoid the backlash of being one of they key votes to save the mafia boss? They, if evil, are in a terrible situation. I would expect nothing less then role reveals and what not...just saying, he has everything in the world to gain

[Jonathan Ezarik]

I think Marathoner is a good bet to be hired muscle, though.

If what you say is true, then it does sound like he's hired muscle. However, in my book, that doesn't make him evil.

[Abe Sargent]

:p

He'll be back in 90 seconds.

My gf just read this comment, looked at me, winked, and said, "if only they knew."

Remember, I don;t lie about rl stuff in WW.

[kingfc22]

Interesting that two guys that jumped on the Blade bandwagon late, have started the day 3 train on Marathoner.

Marathoner - can you answer Swaggs question to why you have a muscle and bulletproof vest magazines?

[Abe Sargent]

She thinks its cute the way I write about her here.

[Swaggs]

In every game, at least one wolf goes against the others so they dont all die im one lump sum. You have been UTR, you have played carefully in regards to cronin, and you voted at a time that it seemed clear he was a goner. I dont believe all the wolves swapped, i just dont. And you(as i stated early today before this whole mess) are my #2 suspect.

Funny you mention this.

Wouldn't the heir have a lot to gain from the mob boss dying?

Is it that far-fetched to consider that you recognized him as the mob boss and wanted him to die, so that you could take over?

[Marathoner]

Guys, I have a reveal, before we go too far in the wrong direction. I think I'd rather get this information out too early, rather than too late.

I am the janitor and, once every other day, I can go through citizens' trash and find clues about them.

First day, I checked out hoopsguys' trash and found a few things to indicate that he is a little "out there," but nothing to indicate that he is in the mafia.

However, just got the day 3 info... and, I checked on Marathoner. His trash had bodybuilding magazines and catalogs for bulletproof vests.

Do with it what you will.

I am an independent with an interest in bodybuilding, i.e. strength. Take a look at the job descriptions, it is right there. I have personal goals, but nothing associated with either particular side. I played no part in tonight's lynching, I have stated the reason for my vote many posts ago. I could have moved on blade, but didn't. The only evidence you have is a muscle magazine, which is of interest to independents too. With all the guns out there, I'd suggest you all consider getting one, especially if you need to take a bullet as part of your job.

[Marathoner]

I'm taking off for a bit.

I would have liked to hear Marathoner's explanation for needing a bulletproof vest and the muscle magazines, but I think he is hoping it will pass over or get lost in Blade's soapbox moment of getting something right, which I'm sure we'll hear about for the rest of the game.

Vote Marathoner


I am also putting it out there that hoopsguy is an eccentric, but not a badguy. I will not switch my vote for judge from him, as I feel like he is on our side.

dola
actually I had to be away from my computer for the last 30 minutes, left it logged on. My response is above.

[SnDvls]

Fair enough...i may have mispoke there...but i suspected you before the lynch so it matters little. Im not trying to lynch you yet, just saying your my top suspect for when i die. They will go after DT/Swaggs/hoops, and i dont want you to coast

may have :rolleyes: ...no you did. you do realize it was 7-3 to lynch cronin over barkeep at one point you had 2 then (before hoops vote recap in post #1067) before it ended 5-5 tied wiht you and cronin

[DaddyTorgo]

an independent bodybuilder hmm?

sounds...remotely plausible i suppose. And it's not like my vote was going to stick anyways

UNVOTE MARATHONER

[Swaggs]

My gf just read this comment, looked at me, winked, and said, "if only they knew."

Remember, I don;t lie about rl stuff in WW.

Alright tantric master.

I'm gonna go gargle some mouthwash now, to get rid of the taste of vomit in my mouth.

[Blade6119]

Funny you mention this.

Wouldn't the heir have a lot to gain from the mob boss dying?

Is it that far-fetched to consider that you recognized him as the mob boss and wanted him to die, so that you could take over?

As i said, then how do you account for my "annoying" attacks on him on day one as well? I targeted him from the outset, said all game long he was my top suspect by a long shot. By both mine and his accounts, i didnt meet him until this afternoon to see his ring.

Come on swaggs, you can do better then that

[SnDvls]

If what you say is true, then it does sound like he's hired muscle. However, in my book, that doesn't make him evil.

you could have just outed the BG too...he'd be the only other person who would be reading those things.

[Blade6119]

may have :rolleyes: ...no you did. you do realize it was 7-3 to lynch cronin over barkeep at one point you had 2 then (before hoops vote recap in post #1067) before it ended 5-5 tied wiht you and cronin

Im aware...your point? All your doing is starting your normal bloody mary defense when evil

[SnDvls]

you're just not worth it blade, I'll leave it at that

[Jonathan Ezarik]

you could have just outed the BG too...he'd be the only other person who would be reading those things.

Are you saying I could have outed the BG? I wasn't the one digging in his trash.

[Blade6119]

you're just not worth it blade, I'll leave it at that
Im not trying to pick a fight lol...dont worry, ill be killed and you will be safe

[SnDvls]

Are you saying I could have outed the BG? I wasn't the one digging in his trash.

no not you swaggs...it seems marathoner also loosley hinted at that too.

[Swaggs]

Come on swaggs, you can do better then that

Blade, it is remarks like this last one, that is both unneccesary and agitating, that make you one of my least favorite players to play WW with.

I won't stoop to your level and question your intelligence or logic in a game by saying things like "you can do better" when I come under fire, so I'm not going there with you, so I'd appreciate it if you would keep it clean in the game.

You have been spotted searching for rings and there is a tradition in mafia families for someone else to become the boss when the original boss dies. The boss just died and someone will ascend to power. It is far from unreasonable to think that someone's goal is to become the mafia boss.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

I am also putting it out there that hoopsguy is an eccentric, but not a badguy.

This goes back to what I said earlier about being afraid that hoopsguy could be a target of blackmail. If he's eccentric, that means he has some skeletons in his closet.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

You have been spotted searching for rings and there is a tradition in mafia families for someone else to become the boss when the original boss dies. The boss just died and someone will ascend to power. It is far from unreasonable to think that someone's goal is to become the mafia boss.

What I don't understand is why the mafia heir would have to search for the mafia boss. Wouldn't he know who he needs to take out? I could see the boss not knowing who the heir is, but not the other way around.

[Blade6119]

Blade, it is remarks like this last one, that is both unneccesary and agitating, that make you one of my least favorite players to play WW with.

I won't stoop to your level and question your intelligence or logic in a game by saying things like "you can do better" when I come under fire, so I'm not going there with you, so I'd appreciate it if you would keep it clean in the game.

You have been spotted searching for rings and there is a tradition in mafia families for someone else to become the boss when the original boss dies. The boss just died and someone will ascend to power. It is far from unreasonable to think that someone's goal is to become the mafia boss.

See, if you explain it more it makes sense..your previous argument did not in my opinion. Im not playing to make friends right now, im playing to win. Sorry that your one of those im looking at, but you brought it upon yourself with your late swap then seemingly desperate role reveal. You dont have to like me, but im trying to find mafia and you continually questioning me after i just handed the the head of evil on day 2 is both frustrating and agitating. So you will hopefully forgive my comments, but i feel my frustration is based on quite a solid foundation.

If Alan will let me, ill use my day action right now i think

[Swaggs]

What I don't understand is why the mafia heir would have to search for the mafia boss. Wouldn't he know who he needs to take out? I could see the boss not knowing who the heir is, but not the other way around.

I don't even know if there is an "heir," but I'm guessing someone has to take over the roles of the boss. Is there a role description for one?

[Alan T]

See, if you explain it more it makes sense..your previous argument did not in my opinion. Im not playing to make friends right now, im playing to win. Sorry that your one of those im looking at, but you brought it upon yourself with your late swap then seemingly desperate role reveal. You dont have to like me, but im trying to find mafia and you continually questioning me after i just handed the the head of evil on day 2 is both frustrating and agitating. So you will hopefully forgive my comments, but i feel my frustration is based on quite a solid foundation.

If Alan will let me, ill use my day action right now i think

All players can enter their day 3 actions as of 9:01pm EST. After the immediate deadline, I usually have a list of various things I have to do in the game though, so most of them won't fire off immediately. At some point it will be done though in the order received (other than orders that can not execute until certain times)

[Blade6119]

Then ive sent mine in...ill let yall know, or he will

[Swaggs]

See, if you explain it more it makes sense..your previous argument did not in my opinion. Im not playing to make friends right now, im playing to win. Sorry that your one of those im looking at, but you brought it upon yourself with your late swap then seemingly desperate role reveal. You dont have to like me, but im trying to find mafia and you continually questioning me after i just handed the the head of evil on day 2 is both frustrating and agitating. So you will hopefully forgive my comments, but i feel my frustration is based on quite a solid foundation.

If Alan will let me, ill use my day action right now i think

My role reveal wasn't in desperation or defense.

I think the mafia knows what I can do and I wanted to share what I have learned before the information is lost and prevent people from dumping on hoops for making a mistake.

I stand by my vote for Marathoner. My message clearly said "muscle" magazines. I had considered that he was a normal "thug" or the "ex special-ops," but the fact that I found a "muscle magazine," rather than a "Soldier of Fortune" or something like that, makes me feel fairly confident of my decision. I also think it would make my role pretty useless to put vagueries like that in my information, but perhaps it is possible. Regardless, I'm standing by my vote.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

I don't even know if there is an "heir," but I'm guessing someone has to take over the roles of the boss. Is there a role description for one?

I don't think there's a role description, but the Big City Herald mentioned the heir as one of the wealthiest people in the city.

[Swaggs]

I don't think there's a role description, but the Big City Herald mentioned the heir as one of the wealthiest people in the city.

I must have missed that when I was skimming through, but if that is based on how much cash folks have on hand and Blade is being honest about being pickpocketed, that would probably exclude him from being the heir.

My main point is that I do not think it clears everyone that voted for St. Cronin and damns everyone that voted for Blade, as there could have been some "insider" work done to clear the boss spot. But, I understand the jostling that is going on, as everyone wants to avoid the spotlight and the best way to do that is to point out when you are right. So be it.

I have little else to add right now, so I'll step back and get back to my job.

[LoneStarGirl]

I am glad that we got the mob boss. I have have a COT and it consists of Blade and Barkeep. I think Hoops as judge was not a great idea but it seems I am in the minority here.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

I have have a COT and it consists of Blade and Barkeep.

Why Barkeep?

[Barkeep49]

Why Barkeep?
Because we put votes onto cronin at nearly the exact same time when there'd been little attention on cronin besides from Blade.

[Abe Sargent]

I just got a pm from AlanT that said that I didn;t notice but one of my bullets went missing when I was kidnapped. I don't beleive that I can report that as a crime, since it was part of a crime I already reported.

[Abe Sargent]

Forgot to mention, I bought bullets from the shop yesterdya and was going to try to make a profit on the underground with them, or in case I came across a gun.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Forgot to mention, I bought bullets from the shop yesterdya and was going to try to make a profit on the underground with them, or in case I came across a gun.

How many bullets did you buy?

[Abe Sargent]

How many bullets did you buy?

a dozen, I have 11 left

[Swaggs]

So, if you all were judge, what would you do right now?

Should he issue a search warrant or an arrest warrant for someone?

[hoopsguy]

Good question, Swaggs. I was about to open up the floor to see where people would like to go with that.

I've got one search warrant and one arrest warrant available for Day 3. I'll use them each at some point tomorrow, but want people to chime in with their thoughts.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

How do the warrants work? Do you issue them on your own account or do the detectives have to come to you first and ask for them?

[hoopsguy]

As I read it, I can issue the warrants. Someone would have to act on them.

[hoopsguy]

My gut would be to issue a search warrant against one of the people who voted for Blade6119.

Me - I know it is a wasted warrant
st.cronin - lynched
Swaggs - has revealed Janitor, so could confirm/deny
DaddyTorgo - have some info from Blade6119 about his ring
Bsak16 - runner-up in vote to Ntndeacon, but otherwise not much info at the moment

[Barkeep49]

Alan can we get clarification: does a detective need to request a warrant for it to be issued?

[hoopsguy]

If people think that there were no Mafia votes late to try and save their boss, then I would like to hear the logic behind that thought process as well.

[Alan T]

Alan can we get clarification: does a detective need to request a warrant for it to be issued?


A judge can issue a bench warrant at any time on his own. The detectives as part of their role may put in a request for a particular type or warrant in addition to their normal daily actions if they wish or feel they have some info from a crime scene that they would like to further investigate. The judge is not bound to approve those warrants just yet though and can issue his own instead if he chooses.

[hoopsguy]

From the detective description in the rules:

2) Search location [With which player's home to search] (Requires proper search warrant from the judge)
3) Make arrest [with which player to arrest] (Requires proper arrest warrant from the judge).

This is in keeping with my PM. I issue the warrant, and the detective(s) act on it within 24 hours if they want to execute that order. If they don't like the order, they can ignore it and my warrant expires.

[Alan T]

Ok to further clarify the entire process:

Detectives can search crime scene, find evidence and request a specific type of warrant based on the evidence they have found.

Judge can Either approve the detective's request for a warrant, or issue his own instead

A detective can choose to follow through with the judge's warrant if they have any actions left that day (otherwise they can the next day as long as the warrant has not expired), or they can do a different action that day

[Barkeep49]

Ok that clarification confused me slightly. Step one, involving the detective, is optional, correct? I mean hoops could issue an arrest warrant for either or both of the attacks against him, without a peep from the detectives? These detectives could then choose to (or not to) carry that warrant out. Is that correct?

[Alan T]

Ok that clarification confused me slightly. Step one, involving the detective, is optional, correct? I mean hoops could issue an arrest warrant for either or both of the attacks against him, without a peep from the detectives? These detectives could then choose to (or not to) carry that warrant out. Is that correct?

Correct

[hoopsguy]

Marathoner, did you have any indication that Swaggs would have knowledge on you? Based on your earlier reaction I'm guessing the answer is no ...

I could also cast a search warrant here, but right now I haven't seen any reason to doubt Swaggs' info. Not sure what this would prove. I could make him an arrest warrant if an earlier search comes up clean and we have enough law dogs to act on both warrants.

[DaddyTorgo]

well I know a warrant on me would be wasted. You won't find anything interesting. Just me being stupid and swayed by your crazy theory hoops.

[Blade6119]

Why Barkeep?

Barkeep made a comment about mafiosos being notorius for wearing jewelry...when cronin came up evil, barkeep immediately entered my COT(which ironically included just him then).

[hoopsguy]

Blade6119, your thoughts on the candidates I posted for a search warrant? Or do you have alternatives (SnDvls?) that you would prefer?

I'm fine with anyone chiming in, but I have a sneaking suspicion that I'll enjoy two-way conversations with this man. And muttering to yourself is no way to go through life, let me tell you.

[Blade6119]

Sndvls had a simple silver band, not a gold one like DT. So we have another difference. If you want to be technical, we likely are looking for bad rings now(thugs left). I dont know which way to interpret this information.

[kingfc22]

I like Swaggs for the search warrant. He was one of the guys to vote Blade late and he has claimed a role. Should be easy to tell if his heart is in the right place or he is just in it for the cash and diamonds that mafiosos love so much.

[kingfc22]

Just noticed something in the Cronin death scene. It states he was stabbed by someone in the mob. I'm gonna go out on a limb that the person that bought the knife yesterday is on the side of good.

[Blade6119]

do we want to challenge him on this or take the power from him now by mixing it up?

if he's lying he goes anyhow
if he's telling the truth and the #2 guy goes we need to be sure that we believe #2 is bad too.
This was a big reason why i picked sndvls for todays action. It came after he voted cronin, and seemed to be to be a subtle move to save cronin in a sense. Cronin has just claimed to be able to duke the lynch, and this to me seemed a subtle way to move people away from cronin(and it was a pretty close lynch then too, tied with JE i think..not positive on that though).

[kingfc22]

Also, what do we think of Tyrith? Is he a goner or do we have a chance to rescue him?

[hoopsguy]

SnDvls didn't put up a fight when you scoped his ring?

[hoopsguy]

Swaggs, who did you view on Day 2?

Day 1: me
Day 2: ???
Day 3: Marathoner

[Blade6119]

Blade6119, your thoughts on the candidates I posted for a search warrant? Or do you have alternatives (SnDvls?) that you would prefer?

I'm fine with anyone chiming in, but I have a sneaking suspicion that I'll enjoy two-way conversations with this man. And muttering to yourself is no way to go through life, let me tell you.

I have no idea on bsak, im sorry to say that.

DT/Swaggs - Id actually prob. rather you go after DT. He had direct confrontation with my role but seemed to ignore it when it mattered. Also, all day he pretty much refused to vote Cronin. He continually mentioned other suspects, and his last post, to you about searching him, seemed a wolf comment. If i had a pick, id take DT for the warrant.

You - I said i dont think your evil, as when the vote was shifting to me too many people tried to cast blame on you and not cronin. I also dont believe you would issue a warrant on yourself, and i dont believe it worthwhile. You have been hacked twice, and as misled as you were today i believe you for now to be with us. Your nowhere near my COT, but im not after your head

[Blade6119]

SnDvls didn't put up a fight when you scoped his ring?

I approached him in the mob, and he tried to explain all the reasons to me why he is not a mafioso. We didnt really argue, and he didnt seem to resist too much.

BUT, i saw it while in conversation like i did with cronin, where as DTs had none of the flavor the last 2 have had. DT literally i just looked at his ring, determined it wasnt what i wanted, and left. These last two have had stories.

Also, cronin and i were arguing at the time of the argue story. Sndvls was trying to explain to me why he wasnt a wolf before i sent the message...i dont know if its all storytelling or not

[Swaggs]

Swaggs, who did you view on Day 2?

Day 1: me
Day 2: ???
Day 3: Marathoner

Sorry, as I said, only every other day.

[Swaggs]

Would you like more information on what I found in yours?

For what it is worth, it seems fairly non-role defining.

[Swaggs]

Another consideration: Would you all consider Tyrith to be cleared if we recovered him AND, if so, would it be worthwhile to investigate his crime scene (if that is possible--don't know all the dynamics of what can and cannot be done).

And I would love to be searched. I think I would prefer being cleared by the judge/detectives now, rather than after my death.

[hoopsguy]

You make the call. If it is worth putting out there, go for it.

I've already ranted enough about having my personal security violated by hackers, what is one more person making themselves at home within my property?

For what it is worth, I think st.cronin had access to information on me from one of the hackers, based on some of his comments. But I don't think I can issue a warrant to get that information from him in his current state.

[Swaggs]

In your trash, I found a magazine detailing UFO encounters and some empty prescription bottles.

[Blade6119]

No, its your call..if people wanted me making the call they would have elected me. People were quite clear they didnt want that

[hoopsguy]

Here are some notes that I have scribbled down. After being entrusted with the judge position I'm trying to work on being more open and sharing with others. Not the easiest thing to do when people keep hacking me and sneaking into my house, but I'm trying ...

Roles Claimed:
Janitor - Swaggs
Jeweler (not listed) - Blade6119
Gambler - Chief Rum
Detective - Ntndeacon (deceased)
Mafia Boss - st.cronin (deceased)

Roles in game, per newspaper:
Pawnshop owner
Mafia heir
Banker
Detective
Doctor

Roles in game, per Tyrith:
Two detectives besides Ntndeacon (one referenced by newspaper as secondary account)

Crime Notes:
- I was hacked twice
- Anxiety reports being kidnapped, encouraged to join mob, had a bullet stolen
- Bsak reports being hacked
- Blade6119 reports being robbed of $400

[hoopsguy]

Blade6119, was talking to Swaggs about my garbage (it's your call).

In terms of warrants, I'm planning on going to bed shortly. Would you prefer if I issue now, hearing from fewer people but making sure I'm alive later to issue it, or wait until morning to allow more voices to contribute? Looking for feedback on this point quickly.

[Swaggs]

Don't forget Tyrith being kidnapped.

[Swaggs]

hoops, since Alan has said that his orders are based (roughly) on first received, first executed, I think the sooner the better.

[hoopsguy]

In your trash, I found a magazine detailing UFO encounters and some empty prescription bottles.

Lots of people read non-fiction.

But perhaps this gives a little insight into why I'm a tad edgy from time to time?

[path12]

Maybe wait until any detectives come up with some info? Can they PM you the request for a warrant or does it have to be in thread?

[Blade6119]

Id issue one now, so the detectives can follow through on it before evil can kill someone

[hoopsguy]

My instructions do not talk about how detectives communicate with me, but I'm working under the assumption that it is in the thread.

[hoopsguy]

Search order submitted for Swaggs.
- validating his reveal helps strengthen a trust list
- invalidating his reveal puts us in position to remove a bad guy from the game
- either way, helps understand his motives with Marathoner, which should help with lynch decision today

[Blade6119]

Pending the result of the Swaggs search ill do this

VOTE DADDYTORGO

[Blade6119]

and im off to bed, cheers yall

[Swaggs]

Search order submitted for Swaggs.
- validating his reveal helps strengthen a trust list
- invalidating his reveal puts us in position to remove a bad guy from the game
- either way, helps understand his motives with Marathoner, which should help with lynch decision today

Works for me.

[Swaggs]

Want to add this while I am thinking about it.

If Tyrith returns, we will have to consider that he may have been converted, since they apparently attempted to convert Anxiety when they tried to kidnap him.

[Blade6119]

Want to add this while I am thinking about it.

If Tyrith returns, we will have to consider that he may have been converted, since they apparently attempted to convert Anxiety when they tried to kidnap him.

Were also not sure they didnt succeed

[Swaggs]

Were also not sure they didnt succeed

Fair enough, although we have to recognize that the Anxiety did not disappear for an extended period of time, while Tyrith has.

[Abe Sargent]

Plus I self reported, and itd have been stupid of me to do so if I had been converted - or at least to have mentioned the conversion when I did self report.

[Blade6119]

Fair enough, although we have to recognize that the Anxiety did not disappear for an extended period of time, while Tyrith has.

Weird as this may seem, i would tend to make that a negative for anxiety. If they succeeded in converting someone, they wouldnt keep him out of the game. If they failed, they would likely kill them. Anxiety still being here might not be a good thing...just saying

[Abe Sargent]

Weird as this may seem, i would tend to make that a negative for anxiety. If they succeeded in converting someone, they wouldnt keep him out of the game. If they failed, they would likely kill them. Anxiety still being here might not be a good thing...just saying


Of course, you don;t know my role....

[Narcizo]

Hurray for Blade and boo for hoopsguy and his crazy theories!

I still don't really understand what happened with the lynch - does it come down to longest held vote? I'll have to check but I presume that would be Blade's vote for St Cronin.

I think investigating Swaggs is a good idea. I have reason to believe that he's telling the truth but he has put in two late votes, one that seems crucial and one that almost was crucial.

I don't think that hoopsguy is bad either, despite what can be construed as a save attempt for St Cronin. To my mind by that stage the bad guys had to really cut their losses - they were going to lose St Cronin today or tomorrow (when it was, presumably, revealed that Blade was good after the lynch).

I think St Cronin's voting actions are interesting - the switching back and forth between JE and path, before Blade emerged as the most likely save for him. I'm wondering if JE was initially being set up as the mob's lynch choice to begin with before events overtook them. From what I understand of hoopsguy's comments none of the people who voted for JE were around at the end to change their vote.

[Blade6119]

Note how DT constantly tried to blace the coming blame from my death on hoops, and not cronin.

makes more sense than my slight reason for voting Swaggs

UNVOTE SWAGGS
VOTE BLADE6119

this one is on you hoops

well the proof will be in the pudding blade. And if we're wrong, hoops will have some serious looks his way.

He was quite adamant that the blame must go to hoops, not cronin...that seems to indicate to me DT is evil

[Narcizo]

That actually makes a lot of sense. (and means that my own theory isn't so good, which has been known to happen). It would be especially useful for the bad guys to cast suspicion on the judge elect, save them having to kill off the judge.

[Blade6119]

If you follow that path, bsak also swapped over and bsak also blammed it on hoops. Interestingly, bsak was 2nd in the day one lynch...let me go pull up those votes

[Blade6119]

That actually makes a lot of sense. (and means that my own theory isn't so good, which has been known to happen). It would be especially useful for the bad guys to cast suspicion on the judge elect, save them having to kill off the judge.

Your theory is actually pretty sound...im just tossing out other theories. I like your line of thought quite a bit.

I do believe we had evil on me and 1 or more not on me. I highly doubt they all voted me, but maybe

[Narcizo]

If you follow that path, bsak also swapped over and bsak also blammed it on hoops. Interestingly, bsak was 2nd in the day one lynch...let me go pull up those votes

Chief put a meta-vote on bsak and said he couldn't change it. I voted for bsak because I couldn't change my vote either and thought it would be more useful at a later date in working out who was bad. Then the voting on him took off as a balance vote for the NTD votes.

[Narcizo]

I'm reading back through the day, haven't come up with much. I'm actually somewhat suspicious of path for his post-lynch posts.

Looking back I just found this, for what it's worth. It seems to be laying the groundwork for a later attack on path.

[Blade6119]

Doing some day one re-reading and noting comments i haveThe way I read that description indicates that he was investigating the crime I reported. Path12 asked earlier if I could ID the detective and the answer is no, or else I would have definitely have tried to save him in the last hour. I would expect Blade6119 to have a similar experience if/when someone investigates his crime, if he did report it.

I had a very similar experience, and as well could not ID him.

I prefer Anxiety or Blade to DT. Something about DT and Blade's interaction doesn't feel right to me. But I'll go with the majority.

Wolves often like to oppose their own on day one, and this would certainly fit the bill. Especially when you consider this:
Wow, Blade got THREE votes?
Which indicates he cant believe people would vote for me, but for some reason would vote for me over DT.

[Blade6119]

For what it is worth, I think st.cronin had access to information on me from one of the hackers, based on some of his comments. But I don't think I can issue a warrant to get that information from him in his current state.

Oh, i whole heartedly agree...look at all the work he did on day one to convince you it was the side of good hacking you:

I bet I know what happened to you, and I'm about 75% sure that it was done by a villager.

My guess is that you were sort of seer-scanned. Alan likes to have semi-seers in his games, and that's my guess as to what happened to you.

I don't know anything, though. I suppose it could have been malicious.

And hoops, I understand your position. I'm just taking a guess, that's all. What happened to you doesn't seem like a "mafia" type crime. But I suppose there may be other citizens, not aligned with the mafia, who we don't want loose.
Hoopsguy, is there anything that somebody could learn from your computer?
We have an evil hacker, im pretty sure of that. So the good hacker needs to be very careful going forward with trusting the other

[Blade6119]

Alright, my final note for now...cronin has been public about distrust for LSG and Barkeep, subtle disrtrust for DT and path, and trust for me(until the final 10 minutes lol)

DT also distrusted Barkeep, at the same time cronin did, but was more subtle about it. DT also also trusted me, then in the final 10 minutes distrusted me. I dont see many comments by DT about path and LSG, so i dont know there

But those 2 comparisons still caught my eye since i know im good, and barkeep is my most trusted person

[Narcizo]

Cronin - Blade (97)
Blade - LSG (105)
Barkeep - Hoops (424), Marathoner (476)
Bsak - Chief (362), Narcizo (390), NTN (560), Daddy (562), Path (577)
Lathum - bsak (395)
NTN - SnDvls (413), Barkeep (452), Tyrith (456), Anxiety (478), Crew (558), Swaggs (559)
LSG - Cronin (465)
Jon - Lathum (474)
Crew - Jon (570)

DT's actions here are interesting. He voted for NTN with the vote at 4 to NTN, 2 to the nearest person. With the standing at 5 -2 he then pulled it and voted for Marathoner. St Cronin calls him up for making a throwaway vote. Crew and Swaggs piled onto the NTN vote while NTN voted for Bsak. DT voted for Bsak with the standing at 6-3, so it wouldn't "look like a throwaway vote". He posted a minute after NTN put his vote on BSak so he might not have known that he had voted that way.

This can be played two ways. DT pulled his vote from someone who turned out to be good and put it on the next candidate which indicates he's good to someone looking at the vote records. However putting your vote on someone with the standings at 6-3 (or possibly 6-2 for all he knows when he made the vote) with 15 minutes left might be an effort to not be associated with the vote for NTN.

[Blade6119]

This can be played two ways. DT pulled his vote from someone who turned out to be good and put it on the next candidate which indicates he's good to someone looking at the vote records.

To me that indicates the exact obvious...evil knows who is good, and who is evil. They also dont want to be in the spotlight unless its necessary(like to save their mafia boss). What your saying, if i follow, is he swapped off a guy who turned out to be good(did that person get lynched?) to someone we have yet to kill. To me that means he knew the person would come up good and didnt want to have to answer why he voted him

[Narcizo]

That's the way I was leaning but I kind of got cut off before I could really expand on it. Thanks for doing the typing for me. I have a strong feeling about this, to such an extent that I'm going to

Vote DaddyTorgo

Subject to change with the Swaggs situation and anything else that might crop up.

[Chief Rum]

NOVA WINS ONE FOR THE BETTORS!!!

Few people noticed with all the Big City politicking and the death of the mafia mob boss, but some of us made it pretty good today when Nova edged out UConn--and a bunch of others quite simply lost out on a huge opportunity when they chose not to bet.

It seems to me the prices at the pawnshops and elsewhere are rather exorbitant, but money seems somewhat sparse. I don't see too many other options in town to really up your cash flow as quickly as my business. It's still only 10% commission for today's bets.

And today's game is the best one offered yet...

CHARLOTTE AT PORTLAND (NBA)

The Bobcats are one of the worst teams in the worst basketball conference. They are playing on the road in the middle of a nasty West Coast swing and have lost three in a row. They are also playing without Okafor. Portland's no great shakes either, but they're almost .500 at home, and they have to have some stung pride after embarrassing themselves against Seattle on Monday. Also, they beat Charlotte on the road and Randolph absolutely dominated.

This is definitely the best bet so far. Big City could make a killing here (pun intended).

The deadline is back to 1 P.M. PDT/4 P.M. EDT, as I only work my night job on Thursday. So get your bets in. Send the money via a transfer through Alan, then post who you want to bet on here. I will handle the rest.

Good luck, everyone!

[hoopsguy]

In regards to betting, I feel better about talking about it with the mob boss out of the game. Hopefully the tide has begun to shift towards more good guys needing cash than bad guys.

I haven't put money down either time - Chief Rum can confirm this if he is interested in doing so - but will strongly consider it if/when it swings back to college basketball. When that happens, Ken Pomeroy's site is a must-read for me when considering basketball teams.

His rankings for OSU/KSU were very close prior to their game, with home court clearly tilting that matchup towards OSU. And there was an 80 team gap (Nova 21, UConn 100 - how the mighty have fallen) for that matchup, which was large enough to mitigate homecourt advantage for betting purposes.

Obviously every game won't comply with his rankings, but given the matchups with small lines, why not take a look at the stuff compiled by a guy who is a leading sabermetrics guy on college hoops?

NBA - I don't follow it nearly as closely, so I'm not as helpful with this game. In general, I would much rather bet on a game between two good teams than two bad teams, as is the case with this game. I feel like I have a better idea of the effort level I'll see in those matchups. So probably no bet again for me today.

[Alan T]

Maybe wait until any detectives come up with some info? Can they PM you the request for a warrant or does it have to be in thread?

The detectives file any warrant requests with me and they are filed with the city judge.

[Alan T]

The Big City Herald
Edition 12

Judge steps in as busy body

The fall out from the reported death of the Big City Mob Boss has been the top story of the day so far. Law enforcement officials have been analyzing all clues to try to determine who else was in his ring of crime. Official sources state that the new Big City Judge has already signed off on his first search warrant to search the home of Swaggs. Not much has been known so far about this Swaggs guy other than he claims to be a simple janitor, and likes long romantic walks on the beach.

Pawn Shop Specials

Today's prices for the pawn shop is in. It appears that business has been booming for the new store, and their selection of merchandise has rapidly been improving. Today's price list from the pawnshop is:

Firewall software: $400.00
Bulletproof Armor $750.00
Fingerprintless gloves $1000.00
Knife $150.00

Villanova wins!

In the Big City Arena last night, the fans were treated with yet another excellent game. The Villanova wildcats pulled out the victory over the Uconn Huskies. Talking to a few fans after the game we got one comment about the teams, "I don't know much about either of them.. but I definitly made some money tonight... Woooooooooo!"

[SnDvls]

I can confirm Blade did approach me just after the lynch. he started to point at me and accuse me, we argued, he looked me over, then let me walk away.

[DaddyTorgo]

I'm not evil. That much I know. Blade you've even looked at me and confirmed that my ring was nothing special. For all I know, it's a gold wedding band (I never knew that I had one). Sorry that I have an affinity for crazy-theories and last-minute intrigue. If that has to get me lynched, then so be it.

FWIW...I was suspicious of Barkeep on Day 1 (as were a lot of people) because of that whole money-situation. But that has passed...he seems fine to me. LSG...I find her post's...interesting. I don't think she's evil. She clearly has a role to play although I can't say I know what it is, as she claimed she could be cleared on Day 1. Path...I feel neutral about. And I'm leaning towards thinking that both hoops and you are on the side of good with me at this point and what we had there was the typical villager-on-villager chaos.

There are several players other than myself who ought to be raising eyebrows at this point, I'm surprised that you've latched onto me and are clinging for dear life, even though we have had interaction and you stated that you had a moderately high degree of trust in me.

[LoneStarGirl]

Barkeep made a comment about mafiosos being notorius for wearing jewelry...when cronin came up evil, barkeep immediately entered my COT(which ironically included just him then).

Who does your COT include now Blade?

[hoopsguy]

LoneStarGirl, have you added a third trusted member to your group yet? Yesterday it was Blade6119 and Barkeep49 if memory serves correctly ...

[Lathum]

I may have missed it but it seems like there wasn't much pressure put on Marathoner...

[Swaggs]

Hoops, have you thought of a manner of revealing the findings of your warrants without outing the detectives?

Is it safe to assume an arrest warrant means I looked bad, but no arrest warrant means I came up clean?