Werewolf XLIII - The Big City (Game over)

[hoopsguy]

On a related note, I would be interested to hear what DaddyTorgo has to say about his "contact" with Blade6119. And, if it resonates, would probably consider him as an alternate candidate to Anxiety. It always puts my hairs on end when my ideas are too warmly received by people and the line to annoit Anxiety judge at this point seems to have grown quickly.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Well, I'd like to know if anyone else wants to share who they will be voting for as judge tomorrow.

I think I'll vote for Anxiety.

I think it would be a good idea to get a decent headcount, so we don't get surprised by the anonymous vote.

At this time, I have absolutely no idea. I wouldn't mind voting for Anxiety, but for some reason the campaigning for him has struck me as odd. I can't put my finger on it, but it's enough to lean me away from voting for him.

[Blade6119]

Blade6119 Post #182, 9:02PM CST:


Blade6119 Post #245 10:54PM CST:


OK, so here is what I'm trying to put together. Two hours earlier LSG is the other one you would vote Sheriff because she stated that she could "prove her goodness". However, you also believe that your role is unique and now do not trust her.

So, were you lying then (you would vote for her as judge) or are you lying now (you don't trust her)? Because I am pretty sure that I won't be voting for someone I don't trust and least a little more than the average bear.
If she can prove her action, i would be happy to. People seemed clear they would not vote me until i proved my case, and i assumed the same applied to her. If she can prove herself, i would much rather vote her then anxiety or barkeep or such and such.

[Abe Sargent]

I don't think anyone loves Anxiety.


I love me!


And for the record, I love each and every one of you. :)

[Alan T]

The Big City Herald
Edition 1

Peace on the upswing?

It appears perhaps the rumors about the mafia crime ring in town are just that.. rumors... Ever since a new vigilante approach to law enforcement has appeared, crime rates have reached a low for the year. One or two names have been shouted out as targets for the starts of a lynch mob, however the mob has not really come to full steam and most of the citizens of the Big City have been content in their every day happenings.

Pawn Shop empty!

The big story last week was the opening of the giant new Pawn shop in the middle of the commercial district. As of the close of the presses however no merchandise has yet to be seen there. Perhaps the store owner had a change of heart and has looked to other big cities such as Boise, Idaho.

Big City goes Hi-tech.

The buzz about town is all about a new message board that many of the Big City's citizens have found themselves signing up for. Early showings however appear that it might be all hype as there have not been any postings of yet. Messageboard management state however that they feel its only a matter of time. The Herald has been unable to verify whether or not the management's figures of 55% of all Big City residents are subscribers is true. It appears most choose to not comment on their membership status.

[Blade6119]

Here's the problem I have with all of this. You claimed that someone could clear you, and you made it sound like there was no doubt about it. But now you're saying you don't know what DT was told or how he'll interpret what happened. To me, those two statements are worlds apart, and it causes me to question everything you've said.

Someone can clear me, whether they chose to or not is up to them. In my mind, he should have everything he needs to trust me. If he says he cant clear me, then feel free to investigate me or lynch me...i really dont care what you try to do.

Ive given you all far more then anyone else, your complaints aside...ive given you a story, and someone to back it up. I cant control DT though, so i await his response as much as all of you

[Abe Sargent]

No, thats where your mistaken...what i love/loved is not my rep...what i loved was what i believed to be mutual respect with a few players i enjoy playing with.

I respect you!

[Abe Sargent]

Anxiety is a nice, calm guy...but no matter what he does, i cant trust him


Until I'm cleared? Is this a general WW comment? I hope not a comment about the board in general :(

[Abe Sargent]

Judge is going to be a pretty thankless job anyway. I remember being Pharaoh......people are gonna bitch no matter what you do.

I was the Elder Guard in that game and I had your back!

[Blade6119]

Until I'm cleared? Is this a general WW comment? I hope not a comment about the board in general :(

Until you are cleared by someone i tend to trust yes...im sorry for the confusion there. On the board i find you quite trustworthy, and likeable(unlike my BLOOD FOE LATHUM!!!!! :p )

[Abe Sargent]

Yes, there are other ways money might enter the game.

Inheritance? Gambling? Crack Dealing? Selling objets d'art?

[Blade6119]

I respect you!

The feeling is mutual...you have been a solid player from day 1 of your WW career, and are a great asset for the WW community here at FOFC(by the way, nice play in survivor...i trusted you and wanted kwhit dead...you totally had me fooled)

[Abe Sargent]

The feeling is mutual...you have been a solid player from day 1 of your WW career, and are a great asset for the WW community here at FOFC(by the way, nice play in survivor...i trusted you and wanted kwhit dead...you totally had me fooled)

Course, I was one of the ones who backed you as a mod way back when ;)


And thanks for noticing!


-Anxiety

[kingfc22]

Man, that was a lot of reading. Forgot how much you guys post in these WW games.

I think it would be a good idea to get a judge voted in early, so that we can have somebody in place to use those actions. Who should be judge? Now that is a much tougher question.

[Blade6119]

This is a very odd note, and it may mean absolutely nothing, but hoopsguy has been calling me by my full name, Blade6119 this game...he, like everyone else, always calls me just Blade...its just odd to me, that this game he is using my full moniker. Prob. means nothing, i just noticed it and felt like sharing

[Narcizo]

Reading Blade's posts always leaves me feeling like I'm really, really stupid and not seeing the obvious. Which is often true enough anyway. Although I'm a bit confused about Blade talking about day and night actions. Is that just a case of using generic WW terms, as my understanding is that there are no day and night actions in this game.

LIke just about everyone else I think we need to get a judge as soon as possible. The best shot we have of getting a judge as soon as possible is to state who we're voting for. Anxiety seems to be getting a lot of votes and as we need 11 votes I'll be voting for him, unless anything dramatic happens today. I think we should be suspicious of anyone who doesn't state who they're voting for as judge, I can't see any reason why a law-abiding citizen shouldn't say. A comparison of announced votes and voting results should be a real boon if everyone states their vote. But if 5 or so people don't say then it just allows too much grey area for the wolves to hide in.

Of course if there are seer and bodyguard type roles in the game they both should be looking at whoever the judge is as soon as possible.

[Blade6119]

Reading Blade's posts always leaves me feeling like I'm really, really stupid and not seeing the obvious. Which is often true enough anyway. Although I'm a bit confused about Blade talking
Trust me, no one understands the crazy talk i spew...i create crazy conspiracies in my head that seem totally out of whack to everyone else, but i present as if their basic fact and anyone who doesnt get them is retarded. Most of the time, its just me being crazy...ask most of the players here, nobody thinks me sane. A better method, and the best way to deal with me, is simply skip over every post i make. You will find your self far less confused, and likely far closer to capturing evil. There is a large portion here who thinks me a terrible player, and i think it is best for your continued well being, both in game and in your head, that you join them.

[Narcizo]

PS Hello everyone. I'm the noobie around these parts.

[Chief Rum]

At last, I have arrived!

Thanks to my friends at the Anaheim Public Utilities, I have been without power since late Saturday evening (4th time it has gone out in four months, and affected my JTR game, too). :mad:

It looks like I missed a lot. I'm trying to catch up.

[Chief Rum]

Okay, I figured I would throw my hat into the ring. And here's something I can promise you: I'm not on your side. That goes for everyone.

Why does that make me a good judge? Because I don't care about making one side or the other happy. I am perfectly content doing my thing, which I can do without help from anyone, and it doesn't matter if good or bad ones.

So why would either side want me? Well, I would be outside of being influenced within the confines of this game, and as a rule, I fall back on reason and fairness when I make my decisions. So what I am offering is a fair, impartial judge.

None of you may want that. You may want someone in there on your side, and I can't blame you for that. But when you can't be certain who is on your side, it makes sense to go for the guy who admits he isn't on anyone's side.

I'm sure you'll ask why I would want to do this. The way I see it, I have a relatively unimportant role whose removal from the game wouldn't make much difference, so a target on my back doesn't matter much. This is a way for me to get more into the game and be useful then my role currently calls for. So that is why I am interested.

That said, if none of you find this appealing, I will continue to do my thing as I please and watch events unfold with interest.

One last critique, I am sure, will be my disappearing to my job. That won't be an issue. I will make myself available via email to all of those who need it for decisions more time-dependent than my schedule allows, and there is no day where I won't be available here at some point (and often for long periods).

I also served as a sheriff in the Tombstone game, and I don't think anyone had any complaints with how I handled it. I was voted out only because Chubby had proven himself to be good (I was also good there, but couldn't prove it).

BTW, I think Anxiety would be an excellent choice, if none of you take me up on my offer.

I think it is important we get a judge in there on the first day and establish a decision-making hierarchy, so whoever we vote in, I certainly recommend we do so today.

[Chief Rum]

This next post will come as no surprise (the one following this), because I have made little secret that I am independent. There are few listed role options for such allegiances, and I have come to believe there is an even better way for me to make myself useful then as the judge (although I will keep my hat in the ring).

Explanatory post to follow.

[Chief Rum]

NOW OPEN FOR BUSINESS!!!

CHIEF RUM"S BETTIN' BONANZA

I represent a diamond opportunity for you all to make some money, should you desire it. I am the sports gambler, an independent persona in this game, and, now, an entrepreneur. I have at my disposal the ability to place one sports bet every day. It is one bet that is named for me (by Alan), but I can choose which way to go with the bet. It is straight up, double or nothing, no lines.

Here is what I propose. Money may be passed in this game. In order for this to work, you must pass money to me by sending a PM with the amount to AlanT. Then post here which team you want to bet on.

Although it hasn't been specifically expressed this way, I would imagine I will be told by Alan who gave me what amounts of money, as they would be several individual "gifts". Alan, if this is not the case, please say so, as then we would need to state the amounts here publically.

I will take in all the money and the votes. The value I give the votes will be based on money. So if I have five bettors on Team A for a total of $500, but two bettors on Team B for $600, I will put the money down on on Team B. All money not expressly bet on that day's choice will be returned to their rightful owners! So if you bet $100 on Team A, but the bets side with Team B, I will not bet your $100, and simply return it to you. I have my own money to bet, of course, but I will not consider it in this service. If my leaning goes with the public, I will likely throw my money in as well, but it won't affect the choice you, the bettors, make.

If your bet is taken, however, it is subject to the following:

1. If we win, all bettors who picked the winner will receive 190% of their bet. I will take 20% of winnings as my charge for operating this business. So if you bet $100 and win $100, you will receive $180 back...your original $100 plus your $100 in winnings minus my $20 (20% of $100 winnings) service charge.

2. I will return all monies as soon I get back to the computer, assuming theire is money to return.

3. If we lose, the money is gone, of course. I don't win anything if you guys don't win anything. Since there can only be one bet (mine, in which all monies will be pooled), we win together, and we lose together.

4. I will announce the day's game as soon as I receive it from Alan and set a deadline for bets, at which point I will place the bet and return the monies for those of you who wanted to bet the other team.

Please ask any questions you like here, so I can get back to you right away. If I don't receive a PM from Alan stating that you have delivered to me your bet money, I will not count the bet, regardless of what you post here. Also, as I suggested in my "judge" post, I am not linked with organized crime. I won't be breaking any legs. I'm just operating a business for my gain, and hopefully for you all, too.

DAY ONE BET ANNOUNCEMENT TO FOLLOW!!!

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Just an FYI for everyone, I'm not going to be around until later this afternoon.

[Chief Rum]

1. If we win, all bettors who picked the winner will receive 190% of their bet. I will take 20% of winnings as my charge for operating this business. So if you bet $100 and win $100, you will receive $180 back...your original $100 plus your $100 in winnings minus my $20 (20% of $100 winnings) service charge.

Just to clarify. I mistyped the above in my initial post. The charge is 20%. So if win, I will take 20% of your winnings. But you keep the rest.

Bet $100. If you win, you get $180 back. Your original $100 plus 80% of the winnings ($80 from an original $100 won). Does that make sense? Sorry for the confusion.

[hoopsguy]

20% vig? Wow, we definitely need some competition in this town. Those sound like loan shark rates.

[Chief Rum]

The Day One Bet is...

KANSAS STATE at OKLAHOMA STATE

College basketball, of course. Personally, I lean toward Kansas State here, but it figures to be a close one. The line (which doesn't matter here, but is a good indicator) is around two points to K-State.

I WILL TAKE BETS UNTIL 1 P.M. PDT (4 P.M. EST). I WILL ANNOUNCE THE FINAL BET AT THAT TIME, AND DISBURSE MONIES FOR THE WRONG BET BACK TO THEIR ORIGINAL OWNERS.

1. Send a PM to Alan to send your money amount to me.
2. Post your choice of bet here. Make it obvious by using a bolded CHIEF RUM line at the top, so I don't miss it. If the bet goes against your choice, please also state if you would like the money returned to you, or if you would be comfortable going with the public bet.
3. The game is played.
4. When I return to the computer after the game, I will return all winnings to everyone, if there are any winnings. It should be by 3 a.m. PDT every day. I will also at that time announce the new day's bet, assuming Alan has picked one by that time.
5. If you don't get money back you are owed, feel free to report the crime to the police. I run a business on the up and up, and I assure you, if you win, you will receive your money. But there are avenues in this city for you to follow if something happens, so fear not if something goes awry.

GOOD LUCK, EVERYONE!!!

[hoopsguy]

In terms of public votes, as of right now I would vote for Anxiety along with the rest of the masses because of a lack of suitable candidates in my mind. However, I would still like to consider DaddyTorgo depending on what he has to say for himself about his experience with Blade6119.

[Chief Rum]

20% vig? Wow, we definitely need some competition in this town. Those sound like loan shark rates.

Monopolies rock (for me). Yes, it is a high price, but this is an avenue for making some real good money if you play your cards right. And I don't offer the opportunity for free. Where else are you going to get a 180% return in a day legitimately in Big City?

[Narcizo]

The odds are always stacked in favour of the betting institution. At least CR is open about it. I won't be betting though. What with me knowing -><- this much about college basketball.

[Barkeep49]

Monopolies rock (for me). Yes, it is a high price, but this is an avenue for making some real good money if you play your cards right. And I don't offer the opportunity for free. Where else are you going to get a 180% return in a day legitimately in Big City?
Actually it's just an 80% return. And really since there's a chance you lose it's more like "lose 10% of your money over time".

[Chief Rum]

Actually it's just an 80% return. And really since there's a chance you lose it's more like "lose 10% of your money over time".

Well, that's quibbling over semantics. If you win, you're getting 180% back of your original investment, with the chance to make the same investment again the very next day.

Five straight wins with returning your winnings to the pot means $100 into $180 into $324 into $596 into $1071 into $1928. That's almost 2000% in five days, even with taking out my cut, risking only $100 originally. And it's a straight up bet, not against the line, which are easier to call. And you won't be forced into a bet you don't want to do if the public goes another way.

Is there risk? Of course. Anyone who says gambling isn't a risk is selling fool's gold. But there is tons of opportunity here, too, and I have done what I can to minimize risk.

And, remember, I don't win if we don't win. I want you guys to win. I don't make any money if you don't. If we work together, we can make the right choices, and the money will flow very nicely in Big City.

[Chief Rum]

The odds are always stacked in favour of the betting institution. At least CR is open about it. I won't be betting though. What with me knowing -><- this much about college basketball.

Consider a small bet, Narcizo. Nothing wrong with splashing a little play money that won't harm you however it goes.

That said, I know what you mean. From what I have seen so far, my guess is the bet will switch sports regularly. We will likely see hockey and pro basketball games as well, and Alan might even get more creative than that (I hope he doesn't do spring training baseball games, though; what would be the point?).

[Alan T]

In any item (including money) that is gifted over to someone, I simply need a PM from you stating whom the money will go to and I will send a PM to the receipiant stating they received money and from whom. (The exception to the last part is in transactions that occur through the underground messageboard might come from an anonymous source depending on the transaction).

Once the item is gifted over, my involvement in the transaction is complete and the item is now the sole posession of the new recepiant. Any trust or deals worked out with that money is all out of my hands at that point.

[Narcizo]

Well, as I know nothing about hockey, pro basketball or any other US sport, unless there's a European soccer game in there I won't be throwing my money away.

And given my record on betting on soccer I won't be throwing my money away there either.

[Barkeep49]

CR:
Assuming Alan picks games that are toss-ups, which is likely, the odds of placing a bet on any given day is only 50%. The odds of winning that bet is only 50%. That means on any given day you only have a 25% shot of winning money. Now granted you have a 50% shot of not losing money, but your idea of five consecutive wins is only a 3% possibility, before even taking into account that your bet might not be placed.

I'm guessing your victory condition has to do with your ability to make money. This would make you one bribable judge. I don't wish you any ill in your venture, but will not be voting for you as a judge.

[SnDvls]

I love me!


And for the record, I love each and every one of you. :)

I think I'm going to make this my sig after the last game ;)

[Dr. Sak]

I am with Barkeep, I dont want a bookie as a judge.

[SnDvls]

CR - so you don't get to pick the game Alan does correct?

[Lathum]

I am with Barkeep, I dont want a bookie as a judge.

QFT

[Lathum]

K State- 20-9
OK State- 19-9

Close matchup in tonights game, OK state has lost 4 in a row including dropping a 2 point heartbreaker on the road to Texas Tech last time out. K State is coming off an impressive win in Colorado and sports impressive road wins including @ Texas, @USC, and @ Nebraska. At first look it appears like 2 teams heading in the wrong direction. Throw in the fact K State needs one win in their last 2 games to clinch a first round bye in the big 12 tournament they will be looking to take care of buisness against a team that looks like they have mailed it in. OK State has owened the matchup lately with an 8-1 record in their last 9, look for KState to change that trend on the road in a big game.

I offer this as a freee service. If you take my advice and win all I ask is you donate what you consider a fair amount.

[Narcizo]

Getting back to the judge vote I don't think the mafia would seriously make an effort to get elected at this stage, as it's going to make them too obvious a target for a seer. The only worry I have is that if the only seer roles are the detectives who require the judge's co-operation to perform any checks. If that were the case then the judge would be able to make himself invulnerable to checks.

I think it much more likely that the mafia will try and sabotage the voting as much as possible so we don't have a judge and so the detectives can't do much investigating. This also means that the judge becomes a pretty obvious target once he is elected.

I think a judge vote at this stage is every bit as important as a lynch vote and any non-vote just as suspicious. Do people think that we should make our judge votes public?

[ImTheCrew]

wow guys im miss about 12 hours and it takes me 40 mins to catch up on the reading, but i agree that we need to vote a judge in as soon as possible and right now id be happy voting Anxiety

[ImTheCrew]

CR


so we PM the amount of money bet to Alan then post who we bet on here?


andim lost on the part about "please also state if you would like the money returned to you, or if you would be comfortable going with the public bet"

[SnDvls]

K State- 20-9
OK State- 19-9

Close matchup in tonights game, OK state has lost 4 in a row including dropping a 2 point heartbreaker on the road to Texas Tech last time out. K State is coming off an impressive win in Colorado and sports impressive road wins including @ Texas, @USC, and @ Nebraska. At first look it appears like 2 teams heading in the wrong direction. Throw in the fact K State needs one win in their last 2 games to clinch a first round bye in the big 12 tournament they will be looking to take care of buisness against a team that looks like they have mailed it in. OK State has owened the matchup lately with an 8-1 record in their last 9, look for KState to change that trend on the road in a big game.

I offer this as a freee service. If you take my advice and win all I ask is you donate what you consider a fair amount.


I read yesterday that OK state hasn't won a road confernce game all year is this true?

[DaddyTorgo]

hmmm. Mornin alll

[Alan T]

The Big City Herald
Volume 2

Judge election race luke warm.

In a race that was supposed to heat up, it appears Big City's judge election is only luke warm with voters currently. In an election that needs 50.1% of the vote for an election, Herald pollers report that the leading candidate only currently has 10% of the vote. Perhaps crime in the town has dropped so low that our citizens don't need a judge after all.

Local Store advertises its wares

Evidentally spurred by the critical article published recently in the Herald, it appears that the town's new pawn shop does indeed have a new selection. Rumor has it their sale will only last a short time while items are limited. Currently advertised prices for merchandise at the pawn shop are:

12 pack of Bullets $150.00
Knifes $125.00

(PM to me any desire to purchase items from the pawn shop. Items are sold on a first come first serve basis. There is no layaways and pawn shop employees do not hold merchandise for customers. All public transactions could result in store ownership knowing the Identity of the purchaser however, unlike transactions that occur on the Underground messageboard).

Big City Basketball

In a deal with the NCAA, Big City Arena recently reached a deal to host an upcoming basketball game between Kansas St and Oklahoma St. The game might have tournament ramifications, so the arena likely will be packed. Herald suggested method to travel to the arena tonight is parking at a local BCT station and taking the train in.

[Alan T]

CR


so we PM the amount of money bet to Alan then post who we bet on here?


andim lost on the part about "please also state if you would like the money returned to you, or if you would be comfortable going with the public bet"


I don't play any part in placing bets. If you wish to give an item (including money) to another player, simply PM me the player and the item (or amount of money) you wish to give. I consider the item a gift, and the receiver may do what he wish with it.

If you reach some other deal with the person here in the forum, its up to each of you to live up to your deal. Of course if you feel someone performed a crime such as fraud, you could always report a crime.

[SnDvls]

hmmm. Mornin alll

it'll be interesting to see your comments this morning

[hoopsguy]

LoneStarGirl - what are your thoughts on Blade6119's description of his activities? Do they coincide with how you would prove your goodness, or do you have a different mechanic? Based on what Blade6119 has posted up to this point, do you trust his version of events?

[Lathum]

I read yesterday that OK state hasn't won a road confernce game all year is this true?

without looking it up I think they are 0-7

[DaddyTorgo]

My thoughts.

IIRC I can't directly quote the PM so I'll just say this: Blade stopped me on the street as I was out for a walk. He had noticed something about a particular item of mine. He checked it out, did me no harm, and went on his way as I went on mine.

That being said...I wouldn't feel comfortable clearing him 100% as good at this point, because he could be looking for a mechanism to build a CoT, or looking for possible converts to his side. But I can say that he definitely did me no harm and I left in possession of everything that I had when I first met him. This makes me inclined to think that he's good/neutral and I would assume that he feels the same about me from what he posted.

If people want to elect ME judge...that's fine. I'm flattered to be considered and I would serve to the best of my abilities if offered the job.

[Lathum]

So the fact that there are bullets for sale leads me to believe some residents may have guns. Anyone care to fes up?

[hoopsguy]

I don't have a gun, although I would be happy to acquire one to protect myself and to help with punishing the wicked. But for now I'm content to try and work through the emerging legal channels we have in our city.

[DaddyTorgo]

Alan: can messages posted on the underground messageboard be relayed to the rest of us here in the thread, or is that against the rules?

[DaddyTorgo]

no gun here

was thinking about buying a knife though honestly, which I will say here out loud, so that no one finds me suspicious if I do

[Lathum]

oh, and I do not have a gun.

[Lathum]

dola- I already put in an order for a knife

[Barkeep49]

I have no weapons and perhaps like a fool I'm going to go down rich as I just can't see purchasing a knife or gun. So if you're a bad guy come and get me.

[Tyrith]

I wish I had a weapon right now. Maybe some sort of rocket launcher?

[SnDvls]

with the money aspect in this game it seems everyone must start with a pretty good amount with what is out there.

$100 to join the message board
$25 to post
$ to gamble
$125 for a knive
$150 for ammo
$ for who knows what else.

so I would assume everyone starts with a couple hundred dollars. without giving away what I or you have would you all think that is a safe assumption?

[Barkeep49]

I'd presume it would be more like 400 and up.

[hoopsguy]

OK, by this point we have had an opportunity to hear from just about everyone in the game. At some point I think we have to turn our attention towards some good old-fashioned vigilanted justice.

So, who are your candidates and why?

Mine:
- Barkeep49: interested in Judge, then pulls away from notion pretty quickly. Chastises other players for missing info related to Blade6119. Advertises that he has money and no defenses. Really struggling to put together an overall positive picture for this man.
- LoneStarGirl: says that she can prove she is good, but has not said anything since that time. I'm suspect of someone being able to prove this type of info early in the game without being a seer-type, and don't believe they would put themselves out there in this manner. This one could change if I'm given a reason to do so.

[Abe Sargent]

Yay, caught up. Interesting things going on.

[Abe Sargent]

Now time for lunch.

[Abe Sargent]

Awesome, I just scored the Pi post!

[hoopsguy]

And I want to be judge since I think my role's pretty vanilla and I'd love to spice it up some.

I strongly suspect that if you are starting with 400+ in cash that you are not nearly as vanilla as you suggested yesterday. I could be showing my ignorance here, but I kind of doubt it based on:
1. Believe newspaper reported heavy (>50) sign-ups for message board
2. Lack of people posting with interest on betting or getting weapons

I'm guessing the average income is lower than 400, which makes me wonder even more why you would put a target on yourself this morning with comments about wealth. If you believe that people like Chief Rum have an interest in accumulating money, and know that the Mafia would like to have disposable income, then why tell them to go through you to get it? I think it will be pretty telling if you are still around next week ...

[Alan T]

Alan: can messages posted on the underground messageboard be relayed to the rest of us here in the thread, or is that against the rules?

PMs should never be relayed to the thread. Even paraphrasing is against the spirit of the game.

You can however come and report that you found out <insert information> from reading the message board if you so choose. It just has to be in your own words.

[DaddyTorgo]

PMs should never be relayed to the thread. Even paraphrasing is against the spirit of the game.

You can however come and report that you found out <insert information=""> from reading the message board if you so choose. It just has to be in your own words.
</insert>

okay. That answered my question. And FYI I was more talking about #2. So I could say "hey there was a post on the underground messageboard by someone saying that something evil is going to go down tonight, everyone be careful" or something. As long as you say it in your own words, it's not like "stuff on the messageboard cannot be relayed in-game to anyone" or anything. gotcha

[Alan T]

Just a reminder, while the electing a judge is optional, the lynch vote is not. Anyone who chooses to not participate in today's lynch might feel more of the lynch mob's wrath tommorrow.

[path12]

It's not a no brainier for me. I'm poor.

I have no weapons and perhaps like a fool I'm going to go down rich as I just can't see purchasing a knife or gun. So if you're a bad guy come and get me.

I'm having a very hard time reading Barkeep right now.

[Swaggs]

From the clues given today, I think Chief would make a terrible judge. Alan indicated that, once the money changes hands, he (Alan) is out of the picture. That means that if/when Chief dies, folks that have placed bets are SOL whether they win or lose their bets. I also suspect that Chief has a goal to reach a certain amount of money to achieve his victory, so he would be highly susceptible to bribery.

[Tyrith]

I am going to stick to my word. I am certainly open to changing, although I think Day 1 would stick be mostly a crapshoot, so this is nothing final by any stretch. However, I've said I would be doing it for a long, so it is time....

TO VOTE NTNDEACON!

[Lathum]

I agree that barkeeps play is strange but I am willing to give him the benifit for today.

VOTE BLADE

He has come out and said he is basicly useless so why not take a low risk option

[Tyrith]

My thing is that BK is always doing strange things. It's just kind of his way, and this didn't seem particularly strange to me, so I'll willing to cut him some slack.

[st.cronin]

vote Barkeep

I agree, his moves today were a little bit odd - not the oddest, but somewhat out of character. He's also the one guy in the game that I almost never suspect of being bad, especially when he's bad.

[DaddyTorgo]

dammit. I hate day 1. I never have any good idea of anything.

Well cept I know i'm not voting for blade ATM

[ntndeacon]

Tyrith made my day 1 vote easy.
Vote Tyrith

[Abe Sargent]

There's all sorts of stuff going on underground. It's definately the place to be, I'd say

[Chief Rum]

CR:
Assuming Alan picks games that are toss-ups, which is likely, the odds of placing a bet on any given day is only 50%. The odds of winning that bet is only 50%. That means on any given day you only have a 25% shot of winning money. Now granted you have a 50% shot of not losing money, but your idea of five consecutive wins is only a 3% possibility, before even taking into account that your bet might not be placed.

I'm guessing your victory condition has to do with your ability to make money. This would make you one bribable judge. I don't wish you any ill in your venture, but will not be voting for you as a judge.

But you also only lose money 25% of the time, and that is if we make the assumptions that you're making, which won't necessarily be true. There are a lot of sports nuts in the Big City. I am guessing between us all, we can make bets that will likely increase our win odds significantly.

No, five straight wins is not likely, but five straight losses is even less likely, and your losses don't increase over time. The fact is that this is another way for people to make money if they want, especially if they like the bet. You don't have to do it if you don't want to; I'm here to tell others that the opportunity is there if they do.

As for my win condition, there's a money element, but it is more complicated than that. I have already determined I can hit it on my own, and am not concerned with the need to take bribes to hit it (which by themselves wouldn't do it anyway). But once again, that is your right. Vote as you like. Don't come crying to me, though, if the judge doesn't make choices you like.

[Chief Rum]

CR - so you don't get to pick the game Alan does correct?

That is correct, SnDvls. I find out the new game every day.

[SnDvls]

That is correct, SnDvls. I find out the new game every day.

is your commission negotiable?

[Chief Rum]

CR


so we PM the amount of money bet to Alan then post who we bet on here?


andim lost on the part about "please also state if you would like the money returned to you, or if you would be comfortable going with the public bet"

Yes, Crew, you have it correct. You PM the money transfer to Alan (to Alan it is just a transfer of money from you to me). It might be important you call it a transfer--Alan has no active role in the business, but is only serving as a passive conduit for moving bet money.

I stated that last in case the bet goes the wrong way. Let's say you bet on OK State tonight, but K State bettors offer up more money and make the bet for K State. I am saying that, if you want, you can say if you want your money to go with the public bet (K State), even though they didn't go with your pick (OK State). This would mostly be if you felt it was a toss up and just needed a bet out there to make money. I expect most people will just want their money returned if their bet isn't picked (and that's the default; you say nothing or something ambiguous, I will just return the money to you).

Hope that makes sense.

[DaddyTorgo]

wow CR...congratulations on figuring out this interesting way of bringing more money into the game. That's pretty...innovative

[Chief Rum]

is your commission negotiable?

I am leaving it as is for today, but of course, this is a business. I may change it tomorrow based on how people bet today. For instance, right now, therew are no bets in, so I may drop the commission tomorrow. But I haven't decided.

It shouldn't matter too much, though, since regardless if if my commission is 10%, 20% or 30%, we all still make money if we pick winners.

[st.cronin]

The Chief Rum thing is amusing. Rummy, sorry if you already did this and I missed it, but who do you like in the game?

[Chief Rum]

without looking it up I think they are 0-7

I know it's not great. But it doesn't matter--they are at home in this one. In fact, IMO, the home court advantage is the only real thing going the Cowboys way in this one.

[Lathum]

I know it's not great. But it doesn't matter--they are at home in this one. In fact, IMO, the home court advantage is the only real thing going the Cowboys way in this one.

I'm all over Kstate ( and in real life also)

[st.cronin]

What is the minimum bet?

[Chief Rum]

From the clues given today, I think Chief would make a terrible judge. Alan indicated that, once the money changes hands, he (Alan) is out of the picture. That means that if/when Chief dies, folks that have placed bets are SOL whether they win or lose their bets. I also suspect that Chief has a goal to reach a certain amount of money to achieve his victory, so he would be highly susceptible to bribery.

Not going to argue most of this, as I have responded to a lot of it elsewhere. And I certainly undertsand the reticence to make a bookie a judge.

That said, I have the means to protect myself, and no one has a reason to kill me. In fact, there is good reason to keep me alive: everyone, good and bad, can make money off of me. And I have already announced I am not on either side, and frankly, it doesn't matter to me who wins or loses or lives or dies.

So while certainly if something does happen to me while I have the money, there isn't much we can do about that. But I am not a risk free kill for anyone who wants to try to do so, and there is little advantage for anyone to try to kill me. On the scale of Big City politics and the struggle of good and evil, my role is an unimportant nonentity.

Also, I won't be keeping the money long (only to the moment I return to the computer). I won't announce money amounts publically. No one will know how much money I have, but I assure you, I am a small time gambler. All the high rollers left for Vegas, I think.

[Chief Rum]

wow CR...congratulations on figuring out this interesting way of bringing more money into the game. That's pretty...innovative

Thanks!

Hopefully we'll see some business. I would welcome your patronage if you're interested.

[Chief Rum]

The Chief Rum thing is amusing. Rummy, sorry if you already did this and I missed it, but who do you like in the game?

I am leaning toward K State myself. But my bet won't figure into the choice. If the bettors want to go with OK State, I will bet on OK State.

I really do agree with Lathum's analysis, though, that this is a tale of two teams going in opposite directions. OK State will be desperate, because they need the wins, but their conference record probably means they are outside looking in foir an at large NCAA bid anyway. K State really needs that one more win to put them in a comfortable position. OK State has lost four in a row, including two at home. This is very winnable for K State.

But there are bigger Big 12 buffs here, I am sure. I would welcome their input as well. Information for all of us on this game will help us all when placing our bets.

[Chief Rum]

What is the minimum bet?

I will put it at $10. That way, I don't need to do any funny math for the commission.

BTW, it is my policy to round to the bettor on commission to even dollars. In other words, if you bet $19 and win, my commission would normally be $3.80. I will drop the $0.80, instead of rounding out to four, taking only three instead Advantage to the bettor in any such transaction. It's a small deal, but I thought it important to note.

[st.cronin]

Well, I have placed a small bet, on Oklahoma State.

[Chief Rum]

Well, I have placed a small bet, on Oklahoma State.


Awesome. And if Lathum's post was an indication of a bet as well, then we're on our way.

I can't officially take a bet until I hear if I have received any money from Alan, so currently there is no official bet. But I hope Alan should be around before the deadline.

BETTING DEADLINE IN ONE HOUR (1 P.M. PDT/4 P.M. EST)

[Lathum]

CR I just sent you some money. Put it all on K State

[hoopsguy]

Vote count that I've seen so far:
NTN - Tyrith (322)
Blade - Lathum (323)
Barkeep - Cronin (325)
Tyrith - NTN (327)

I'm still waiting to hear from LoneStarGirl before making my decision between her or Barkeep for today - always interesting when you try to rattle someone's cage a little bit and they don't respond at all. Normally I don't draw the most positive conclusions from silence ...

[SnDvls]

I thought I saw another vote very early on...I'll double check

[SnDvls]

found it
post #97 Blade voted St. C

[SnDvls]

also

post #105
LSG votes Blade

[Blade6119]

LSG voted me as well, so im currently leading the vote i didnt want :)

[Marathoner]

Vote count that I've seen so far:
NTN - Tyrith (322)
Blade - Lathum (323)
Barkeep - Cronin (325)
Tyrith - NTN (327)

I'm still waiting to hear from LoneStarGirl before making my decision between her or Barkeep for today - always interesting when you try to rattle someone's cage a little bit and they don't respond at all. Normally I don't draw the most positive conclusions from silence ...

I agree, this is a little strange, but so is barkeep's contradictory statements.

[hoopsguy]

OK, well the vote by LoneStarGirl on Blade6119 answers the question she ducked earlier about how she felt about him.

As of right now I feel like there is more reason to vote for DaddyTorgo as judge than there is to vote for Anxiety. So I'm ready to cast that vote. I do want to see us get a majority today and get a judge in place, but I also think there is plenty of time and remaining votes out there where I can vote where I want to vote instead of voting where others are headed.

Don't get me wrong - I like peace/love child Anxiety more than a whole heck of a lot of the people around here. But there ain't nothing wrong with DaddyTorgo either, and there is at least one person who supposedly has reason to trust DaddyTorgo. So that what got my vote.

[hoopsguy]

I agree, this is a little strange, but so is barkeep's contradictory statements.

I was actually alludin' to both Barkeep49 and LoneStarGirl as being quiet after I asked the question. But I'm only sure that one of them - that bein' the lady - was in the room when I asked it.

[Marathoner]

As far as barkeep is concerned, I was agreeing with path's observation that BK says he is poor in post 50, then rich in post 308.

[Barkeep49]

vote Barkeep

I agree, his moves today were a little bit odd - not the oddest, but somewhat out of character. He's also the one guy in the game that I almost never suspect of being bad, especially when he's bad.
What is my character that this game has been out of character? I ask sincerely. I think Tyrith summed me up pretty well in 324. I'm almost ALWAYS viewed suspiciously early game. I've come to know and love it.

I think that people in this game might be mistaking my attempts at understanding game mechanics, remembering that I do most of my thinking "aloud" and in posts, with something else.

[Barkeep49]

As far as barkeep is concerned, I was agreeing with path's observation that BK says he is poor in post 50, then rich in post 308.
I have NEVER claimed to be rich. I feel poor. That is true. Never did I claim to be rich. Let's not attach inconsistantcies to me that I don't deserve.

[Dr. Sak]

I agree that barkeeps play is strange but I am willing to give him the benifit for today.

VOTE BLADE

He has come out and said he is basicly useless so why not take a low risk option

If he's useless but a good guy why wouldn't you want to keep a good guy around?

[Blade6119]

OK, well the vote by LoneStarGirl on Blade6119 answers the question she ducked earlier about how she felt about him.

As of right now I feel like there is more reason to vote for DaddyTorgo as judge than there is to vote for Anxiety. So I'm ready to cast that vote. I do want to see us get a majority today and get a judge in place, but I also think there is plenty of time and remaining votes out there where I can vote where I want to vote instead of voting where others are headed.

Don't get me wrong - I like peace/love child Anxiety more than a whole heck of a lot of the people around here. But there ain't nothing wrong with DaddyTorgo either, and there is at least one person who supposedly has reason to trust DaddyTorgo. So that what got my vote.

Actually, she voted for me as promised all the way back from the x-men game where i was the one who decided she would get tked and never told her...it really has nothing to do with this game.

And lathum said it was about this game, but he told me in the ethics thread i would be his day one vote so im not too worried about him either. Both votes on me seem to be for pre-game reasons

[Lathum]

If he's useless but a good guy why wouldn't you want to keep a good guy around?

we have been through this in many other games ans there are different opinions on it.

IMO we are probably going to lynch a villegar day one, so I would rather lynch a useless villegar then one with a stronger role.

[Lathum]

And lathum said it was about this game, but he told me in the ethics thread i would be his day one vote so im not too worried about him either. Both votes on me seem to be for pre-game reasons

Actually it isn't.

[Blade6119]

I have NEVER claimed to be rich. I feel poor. That is true. Never did I claim to be rich. Let's not attach inconsistantcies to me that I don't deserve.
You say beloew your going to go down rich becuase you dont want to buy a weapon. You dont say you cant afford one, you say you dont feel like spending your money so your going to die rich. So basically you just lied
I have no weapons and perhaps like a fool I'm going to go down rich as I just can't see purchasing a knife or gun. So if you're a bad guy come and get me.

[Chief Rum]

VOTE BSAK

I actually would like to vote for Barkeep, not because of contradictory statements, but purely for business reasons. As an entrepreneur, I can't have people badmouthing my business. Nothing personal BK.

BK has already picked up a vote, though, and I refuse to be the second vote on a guy I only have business reasons to vote for.

So I have fallen back on something I promised to do in the last game, and put a Day One vote on bsak. No reason other than that we go way back in the RWBL. :)

I will be leaving for my night job shortly, so this vote won't change.

[Blade6119]

Actually it isn't.

whatever, it matters little in the scheme of things...i was trying to give you an out when i come up good, and you dont want to take it. Your call

[DaddyTorgo]

well thanks hoops.

I have no earthly idea who to cast a lynch vote on. It's such a damm crapshoot...I hate Day 1's. Blade+LSG are out, as is hoops now.

Barkeep maybe, for the contradictory statement and seeming backpeddling? One of the newer players to try to rattle their cage a bit? I just don't know. Fortunately I should be around.

[Tyrith]

I'd be okay with Daddy, there's just something about the whole blade connection that makes me uneasy. There's something about blade in general that makes me uneasy.

[hoopsguy]

If he's useless but a good guy why wouldn't you want to keep a good guy around?

Good question. That is the kind of stuff that goes into my "relationship???" notes - where I try to figure out why one person says something that doesn't make sense with what I understand based on the thread.

Next step on that front, and I haven't done it yet, is to track down times where they are both posting at the same time but not really acknowledging one another. If that is happening a fair amount, then the suspicion really starts to skyrocket. Because it is hard for people consipring with one another to separate their offline talks from their online talks, so the easiest way to do it is by focusing on everyone else in the game.

[Tyrith]

If we're going to go with voting for newer guys, why don't we seriously go for ntn? He is always UTR and could use a good cage rattling, I think. I'd rather do that than go after ITC/Marathoner/Narcizo/Bsak.

[Chief Rum]

DAY ONE BETTING IS CLOSED!!!

The bet tonight will be on KANSAS STATE. My apoligies to anyone picking Oklahoma State. Your money is already in the process of being sent back to you.

Note: Tomorrow, I work both jobs, so the betting deadline will be earlier, at 10 a.m. PDT/1 p.m. EST. Please be sure to check in in the morning for the game announcement and to place your bets if needed.

Also, there will likely be a drop in commission tomorrow. Exact terms will be announced tonight.

GO WILDCATS!!!

[Alan T]

The Big City Herald
Volume 3

Get your torches and pitchforks

Shouts in the streets have thrown about various names of the possible mafia kingpin, right now the name heard the loudest is that of Blade. It seems fairly obvious however that the lynchmob's attention is not hard set on a single direction.. Hopefully the authorities can keep the crowd under control.

Mafia boss sighted?

An inside source has reported to the herald today that the mafia boss was sighted at Vinnie's over on 14th street during lunch. The resturaunt's normal daytime patronage was turned away at the door for a private party that remained there for a good part of the day. We were unable to confirm if he was actually there, but our phantom gourmet has told us that Vinnie's is suddenly the hotspot for evening dinner reservations tonight.

"A" Judge for our town.

An ongoing story covered by the Herald's polling team has continued to provide us information on the Big City's judge race. It appears 42% of all voters thus far have preferred a certain judge with the name starting in an "A". From what we are told however, voter turnout has still been abysmal and no one is close to meeting the required number of votes for election.

4th annual War Tournament

Big City's 4th Annual War Tournament was held today in the Big City Convention Center. No, there were no guns or military action, this type of war is the one played out with a deck of cards. All kinds of people turned out for the tournament, but in the end there can only be one winner. A professional War player from Venice by the name of Christopher Rizolli traveled all the way here and won the tournament for the second time in two years.

[Blade6119]

My vote is still firmly on cronin, and i have seen no one do anything to even consider moving it(barkeep tripped up, but i attribute that to playing mind games with the wolves more then anything)

[path12]

VOTE CHIEF RUM

Not that I have anything against a bet or two, but dude.....20% vig? That deserves a vote.

[path12]

I'd be okay with Daddy, there's just something about the whole blade connection that makes me uneasy. There's something about blade in general that makes me uneasy.

I'm actually leaning towards Blade for my judge vote. Go figure.

[Tyrith]

Path, I don't think there's a way blade will get elected today, so that vote is okay if you're willing to let us know you're throwing it away.

[Blade6119]

Path, I don't think there's a way blade will get elected today, so that vote is okay if you're willing to let us know you're throwing it away.

No, with only 42% voting, anyone can still get elected...i dont think its likely, but your basically saying either vote anxiety or look bad. Such bully tactics are not good for your health

[Lathum]

Good question. That is the kind of stuff that goes into my "relationship???" notes - where I try to figure out why one person says something that doesn't make sense with what I understand based on the thread.

Next step on that front, and I haven't done it yet, is to track down times where they are both posting at the same time but not really acknowledging one another. If that is happening a fair amount, then the suspicion really starts to skyrocket. Because it is hard for people consipring with one another to separate their offline talks from their online talks, so the easiest way to do it is by focusing on everyone else in the game.

did you even aNSWER HIS QUESTION?

[Tyrith]

No, with only 42% voting, anyone can still get elected...i dont think its likely, but your basically saying either vote anxiety or look bad. Such bully tactics are not good for your health

No, I'm saying for someone who could get elected or look bad if we don't elect anyone. And it's true, and I know I wouldn't be the only one to bring it up.

[path12]

Path, I don't think there's a way blade will get elected today, so that vote is okay if you're willing to let us know you're throwing it away.

I never throw my vote away. I vote for who I want to vote for. Whether anyone agrees with it is not really my concern.

For the record, I think it's a decent choice. I'm reasonably confident he's not mafia, and there is no better place for him to be accountable to the rest of us. If he does something we don't like, we vote him out.

[Tyrith]

I have not voted for judge yet. Anxiety is my #1 choice, but I would certainly be open to voting for DT if that's the way the vote swings. I'm just of the mind we need to get someone in there.

[path12]

did you even aNSWER HIS QUESTION?

No, he didn't.

[SnDvls]

ITC is in this game???

I need to look at the player list again

[Narcizo]

Don't get me wrong - I like peace/love child Anxiety more than a whole heck of a lot of the people around here. But there ain't nothing wrong with DaddyTorgo either, and there is at least one person who supposedly has reason to trust DaddyTorgo. So that what got my vote.

For what it's worth I can't vouch for him and I don't have evidence but I am more willing to trust Anxiety than DaddyTorgo. I'm completely neutral about DT. I have a (slight) indication that Anxiety is trustworthy. With 20 people and say 4 or 5? people who would be interested in not getting a judge (Mafia and other, unrelated, criminals) I don't think the good citizens have much leeway in splitting the vote on this. We probably need a 70% good vote for one candidate or we're leaving ourselves in the hands of the bad guys.

Sorry if that makes me seem like I'm saying "Vote Anxiety or look bad". :shurg:

[Tyrith]

For what it's worth I can't vouch for him and I don't have evidence but I am more willing to trust Anxiety than DaddyTorgo. I'm completely neutral about DT. I have a (slight) indication that Anxiety is trustworthy. With 20 people and say 4 or 5? people who would be interested in not getting a judge (Mafia and other, unrelated, criminals) I don't think the good citizens have much leeway in splitting the vote on this. We probably need a 70% good vote for one candidate or we're leaving ourselves in the hands of the bad guys.

Sorry if that makes me seem like I'm saying "Vote Anxiety or look bad". :shurg:

This is about the logic behind my comment on path's blade vote.

[hoopsguy]

did you even aNSWER HIS QUESTION?

Nope, seeing as how it was directed at you. I just agreed with him that I have no idea why you would have taken the position on Barkeep49 that you did while voting for Blade6119.

So, rather than redirecting towards me perhaps you could aNSWER HIS QUESTION?

[path12]

Anyone taking a read on a day one judge vote and trying to translate that into good bad or indifferent is really going out on a limb that probably will not support the assumption.

[Blade6119]

This is about the logic behind my comment on path's blade vote.

I think you have little to worry about...i actually believe the mafia have all already, or will shortly, vote anxiety. I am much more suspicious of those who voted anxiety already then those still outstanding or voting elsewhere. We hold completely inverse views of this votes

[path12]

I have a (slight) indication that Anxiety is trustworthy.

What is that?

[hoopsguy]

Narcizo (now there is a name that screams Mobster!), is your slight trust on Anxiety based on his postings in the thread or information from some other area? If it is something from within the thread, I would be interested in seeing it cited.

I'm fine with Anxiety, although a smidge less so today than yesterday because he appears to have pretty easily emerged as the "People's Choice" in conversations. When someone is, for no apparent reason, greeted like a Kennedy it makes me wonder a little bit what is going on behind the scenes.

[Tyrith]

I think you have little to worry about...i actually believe the mafia have all already, or will shortly, vote anxiety. I am much more suspicious of those who voted anxiety already then those still outstanding or voting elsewhere. We hold completely inverse views of this votes

It wasn't really as much about the sequence of the votes, but more about we need to get someone elected and go from there, and throwing votes away is no good. I think we need unite behind a candidate, be it Anxiety, DT, or (highly unlikely) a new candidate.

[ImTheCrew]

ITC is in this game???

I need to look at the player list again


i am, been busy lately should be around for the next couple of hours though

[Narcizo]

I'm off to bed. I have no idea which way to vote for the lynch. Either I give a second vote to someone who winds up being good and look bad or I vote for someone new, look like I'm avoiding a decision, and look bad.

vote bsak16

We're probably going to hit a villager anyway. Neither CR nor I can change our vote now. This is the best way I can think of making my vote count. If I add to someone else and the initial voter takes the vote off then my vote is worthless. If I start a new vote on someone else it will probably be a worthless vote.

Day 1 reasoning. Sorry bsak.

[Blade6119]

It wasn't really as much about the sequence of the votes, but more about we need to get someone elected and go from there, and throwing votes away is no good. I think we need unite behind a candidate, be it Anxiety, DT, or (highly unlikely) a new candidate.

As hoopsguy said, my major problem was a few names were tossed around, and then anxiety came up and everyone jumped on it. It just felt a little too love-fest for my tastes

[Tyrith]

As hoopsguy said, my major problem was a few names were tossed around, and then anxiety came up and everyone jumped on it. It just felt a little too love-fest for my tastes

It kind of did to me too. I am pretty sure I was the first, or certainly one of the first to bring up his name. However, considering that we need 10 or 11 votes we absolutely need consensus, and if we had gotten into a drag out knock down fight it'd be hard to accomplish that. Especially since we have the screw us secret ballot.

[SnDvls]

i am, been busy lately should be around for the next couple of hours though

I did a quick look back and now remember your note to that effect...sorry man

[Lathum]

Nope, seeing as how it was directed at you. I just agreed with him that I have no idea why you would have taken the position on Barkeep49 that you did while voting for Blade6119.

So, rather than redirecting towards me perhaps you could aNSWER HIS QUESTION?

I did. See post #359. Ass. :D

and what is up with the proper names?

[Dr. Sak]

I don't like the idea of voting someone off just because they are useless therefore...

VOTE Lathum

[st.cronin]

What is my character that this game has been out of character? I ask sincerely. I think Tyrith summed me up pretty well in 324. I'm almost ALWAYS viewed suspiciously early game. I've come to know and love it.

I am also normally viewed suspiciously early, as Tyrith pointed out. I don't feel great about the vote for you, but I don't want to vote for Blade, regardless of how annoying his nonsensical rantings are. It's a bit curious that LSG voted for him. And there's 10 or so players who are all pretty much utr. I'd be happy to go that way with my vote. Suggestions?

[path12]

I'm pretty sure the LSG vote on Blade is a vendetta vote and nothing more.

[SnDvls]

I don't like the idea of voting someone off just because they are useless therefore...

VOTE Lathum

ouch...that one might sting a bit

[Lathum]

ouch...that one might sting a bit

why?

[Blade6119]

I am also normally viewed suspiciously early, as Tyrith pointed out. I don't feel great about the vote for you, but I don't want to vote for Blade, regardless of how annoying his nonsensical rantings are. It's a bit curious that LSG voted for him. And there's 10 or so players who are all pretty much utr. I'd be happy to go that way with my vote. Suggestions?
You dont want to vote for me, because i voted for you and you know im right. If you vote back, you know it will draw more attention to you which you dont want. By going after one of the UTR you avoid the spotlight and avoid lynch...and if you make it past day 1 you will likely last until at least day 4.

And screw you, your just as annoying. Dont act like you get a lot of heat early, you have no idea what heat is...barkeep gets it, i get it, lathum gets it...you dont

[SnDvls]

why?

just because he said you were worthless, I was joking off his joke. I should have added the happy face to it, sorry here it is now for you.:)

[Tyrith]

Oh boy. Blade has started it up again.

[hoopsguy]

Hmm - I don't get it.

[Blade6119]

Oh boy. Blade has started it up again.

I didnt start it up, he was the one who started the name calling. Dont blame that on me

[SnDvls]

Hmm - I don't get it.

is this directed at whom?

[Blade6119]

Hmm - I don't get it.

lol, no buddy you dont...everyone fears you too greatly to give you too much heat early.

[Blade6119]

is this directed at whom?

me

[Lathum]

now it feels like werewolf!!

[Blade6119]

now it feels like werewolf!!

Sure you dont want in, ive got enough love for you still :)

[Tyrith]

ntn, today is not your day to die. Until tomorrow, perhaps.

UNVOTE NTNDEACON

[Lathum]

Sure you dont want in, ive got enough love for you still :)

bring it on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Blade6119]

bring it on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!! EGYPT!!! RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!!

[SnDvls]

okay I have to go for the day. Headed home then have a meeting with the little one's daycare program so I'll be back, but probally not before deadline.

vote NTN
I don't want to put a third vote on someone, but also don't think adding an 8th person to the jumble helps either so. this puts 3 players at 2 votes each and keeps people from piling on the bsak vote where CR and Narcizo said they probally won't be back as well.

[Tyrith]

Blade is being frustrating. I am 98% certain he's intentionally trying to tick us off. He has previously admitted he uses this as a tactic. Now I don't care whether or not you're a wolf, it'll be easier to find wolves if I don't have to worry about you. That's all I have to say on the matter. This vote is unlikely to change unless something really big happens.

VOTE BLADE6119

[SnDvls]

dola...and then Tyrith pulls off his vote....oh well

[Alan T]

Just another quick reminder for people still catching on to the ruleset:

1) You do not have to vote for a judge if you don't want to tonight. Judge votes are sent to me via PM.
2) You really really do want to make sure you get a lynch vote in before 9pm EST tonight.
3) If you have not sent in your request for where to keep your money, its assumed you are carrying it around with you.
4) 9:00pm EST starts a new day. Even if I am a little late in posting the new day notice, any actions sent in after 9pm EST will be considered a day 2 action. (including votes, etc)
5) You may not receive immediate information at 9pm EST on what happened with day 1 votes or other activities. Much of that will unfold for you during day 2 at some point. (Some earlier than other news). Players who may die or other unfortunate events will be notified via PM however if they are no longer around.
6) Who's in the mood for some pizza?

[st.cronin]

Question about the judge vote: If only 3 people vote, and 2 of them vote for, say, Anxiety, and the other one votes for Blade, does Anxiety get elected? Or do we need a majority of ELIGIBLE voters?

[Alan T]

Question about the judge vote: If only 3 people vote, and 2 of them vote for, say, Anxiety, and the other one votes for Blade, does Anxiety get elected? Or do we need a majority of ELIGIBLE voters?

Majority of elgible voters.

[Blade6119]

Blade is being frustrating. I am 98% certain he's intentionally trying to tick us off. He has previously admitted he uses this as a tactic. Now I don't care whether or not you're a wolf, it'll be easier to find wolves if I don't have to worry about you. That's all I have to say on the matter. This vote is unlikely to change unless something really big happens.

VOTE BLADE6119

So now ive had my mortal blood foe lathum, someone who wants to be my mortal blood foe in LSG, and the guy i fought with in the last game. Gotta love the friends i make in WW

[st.cronin]

You dont want to vote for me, because i voted for you and you know im right. If you vote back, you know it will draw more attention to you which you dont want. By going after one of the UTR you avoid the spotlight and avoid lynch...and if you make it past day 1 you will likely last until at least day 4.

And screw you, your just as annoying. Dont act like you get a lot of heat early, you have no idea what heat is...barkeep gets it, i get it, lathum gets it...you dont

I don't want to vote for you because I don't think you are mafia, that's all. And I voted for Barkeep - that's not a utr vote.

So, keep not making sense. You won't convince anybody of anything, which is unfortunate because about once a game you get a great insight.

[Lathum]

which is unfortunate because about once a game you get a great insight.

for some reason this really made me laugh

[Blade6119]

I don't want to vote for you because I don't think you are mafia, that's all. And I voted for Barkeep - that's not a utr vote.

So, keep not making sense. You won't convince anybody of anything, which is unfortunate because about once a game you get a great insight.

Ill give you credit, that was a wonderful insult...that one actually stung there

[st.cronin]

for some reason this really made me laugh

Well, I think I actually stole it from you.

;)

[hoopsguy]

At this point I'll vote for the person I think is more likely to be a mob guy than the vote leader.

VOTE BARKEEP49

[Blade6119]

hoops, you have now avoided the question twice...why are you referring to people by their proper names this game?

[Barkeep49]

When I said I'd die rich I meant I'd die with all my money. I understand where the confusion comes in.

I also think that these votes against Blade are quite misguided. I'd say Blade's got a really good shot at being a person who is not a mobster. I'd be sad if Blade went down, but more sad if I went down and as such am reserving the casting of my vote until later.

[path12]

Blade and DT are the closest things we have to known goods so far. Tyrith switching his vote to put him in the lead smells, and the reason is very poor. If you think he's confusing you ignore him, but don't vote a guy who has interacted with someone to no real detriment so far. He could be useful.

UNVOTE CHIEF RUM
VOTE TYRITH

[st.cronin]

I may have missed it, but has anybody actually SAID they have cast a vote for the judge? Since we need a majority of eligible voters, its imperative that we get some sort of consensus.

[Barkeep49]

hoops you have an up to date vote count for us?

[Barkeep49]

I may have missed it, but has anybody actually SAID they have cast a vote for the judge? Since we need a majority of eligible voters, its imperative that we get some sort of consensus.
I have not yet, but WILL be casting a vote for judge. Not sure what I'm waiting for at this point actually so I'm going to go cast my vote for Anxiety.

[Blade6119]

I may have missed it, but has anybody actually SAID they have cast a vote for the judge? Since we need a majority of eligible voters, its imperative that we get some sort of consensus.

im pretty sure hoops said he voted for DT, and i think thats all who have actually said it.

Ive voted, so now thats 2

[Tyrith]

I'm going to cast a vote for Anxiety now because I'm leaving for a bit in about 20 minutes and don't want to forget when I come back.

[st.cronin]

Alan seemed to imply that some votes had been cast. I'm trying to think of a reason why somebody would vote, but not come in thread and say they had voted. Doesn't make sense t me.

[Tyrith]

Blade and DT are the closest things we have to known goods so far. Tyrith switching his vote to put him in the lead smells, and the reason is very poor. If you think he's confusing you ignore him, but don't vote a guy who has interacted with someone to no real detriment so far. He could be useful.

UNVOTE CHIEF RUM
VOTE TYRITH

I would say he has been acting with detriment, and that detriment would be group unity. He's screwing with us, and I don't like it. I'm not going to be a party to more of his games.

[hoopsguy]

hoops, you have now avoided the question twice...why are you referring to people by their proper names this game?

ooc: For my own amusement, more than anything else. There is no role-based motive for doing so - I don't get "points" for sticking a 6119 on your name or anything like that

ic: As a way to get people to frigging call me hoopsguy from time to time, instead of hoops, or H, or h-guy, or whatever the flavor of the month is in these parts. I like full names, and you should like yours as well since you signed up for it when you first arrived at Ef O'Efcee.

[DaddyTorgo]

fwiw blade you pissed me off in the comic game...but I am not carrying that with me and voting for you.

still not sure where my vote will go...leaning towards barkeep...or tyrith for the reason that path stated.

I just turned off my computer though so I likely won't vote till after 7pm...closer to 8 prolly.

[hoopsguy]

And here is what I'm showing up with for a vote count:

Cronin - Blade (97)
Blade - LSG (105), Lathum (323), Tyrith (414)
Barkeep - Cronin (325), Hoops (424)
Tyrith - NTN (327), Path (427)
Bsak - Chief (362), Narcizo (390)
Lathum - bsak (395)
NTN - SnDvls (413)

[st.cronin]

ooc: For my own amusement, more than anything else. There is no role-based motive for doing so - I don't get "points" for sticking a 6119 on your name or anything like that

ic: As a way to get people to frigging call me hoopsguy from time to time, instead of hoops, or H, or h-guy, or whatever the flavor of the month is in these parts. I like full names, and you should like yours as well since you signed up for it when you first arrived at Ef O'Efcee.

ROFL

[Blade6119]

ooc: For my own amusement, more than anything else. There is no role-based motive for doing so - I don't get "points" for sticking a 6119 on your name or anything like that

ic: As a way to get people to frigging call me hoopsguy from time to time, instead of hoops, or H, or h-guy, or whatever the flavor of the month is in these parts. I like full names, and you should like yours as well since you signed up for it when you first arrived at Ef O'Efcee.

Respectable, ill try an comply hoopsguy

[st.cronin]

I'm not happy about the votes for Blade. He's as close to a known good as we have in this game.

[Barkeep49]

My vote indeed went in as soon as I finished that post.

[Barkeep49]

I'm not happy about the votes for Blade. He's as close to a known good as we have in this game.
I agree but I don't want them to come rolling onto me.

[Tyrith]

Anyone that thinks my vote is just because he's confusing me obviously hasn't heard me talk about WW lately. However, I don't feel like getting upset again just to prove it to you all. So either take it at face value or don't, but I think it should be pretty clear what it's for.

[Tyrith]

I'm not happy about the votes for Blade. He's as close to a known good as we have in this game.

If blade would play nice I'd have no problem with it. However, the man cannot be separated from the role.

[st.cronin]

I agree but I don't want them to come rolling onto me.

unvote Barkeep49

Your move, bartender.

[Blade6119]

Anyone that thinks my vote is just because he's confusing me obviously hasn't heard me talk about WW lately. However, I don't feel like getting upset again just to prove it to you all. So either take it at face value or don't, but I think it should be pretty clear what it's for.

Anyone who has talked to me lately would know if this game was vote for personal reasons you would be my vote every day for ever...thats been the case since the marvel game. I though, am trying to play WW...i suggest you do the same

[st.cronin]

unvote Barkeep

[Lathum]

unvote blade
vote LSG

way to quiet after initial posts

[path12]

Anyone that thinks my vote is just because he's confusing me obviously hasn't heard me talk about WW lately. However, I don't feel like getting upset again just to prove it to you all. So either take it at face value or don't, but I think it should be pretty clear what it's for.


You're right, I misspoke when I said it was because he is confusing you.

As you stated it, it's because he's frustrating you and you don't care whether he's a wolf or not, yet decided it was a good idea to put him in the lead with your vote.

Frankly, I think you were better off sticking with the confused reason, because that certainly doesn't sound any better.

[DaddyTorgo]

fwiw blade you pissed me off in the comic game...but I am not carrying that with me and voting for you.

still not sure where my vote will go...leaning towards barkeep...or tyrith for the reason that path stated.

I just turned off my computer though so I likely won't vote till after 7pm...closer to 8 prolly.

[Blade6119]

fwiw blade you pissed me off in the comic game...but I am not carrying that with me and voting for you.

still not sure where my vote will go...leaning towards barkeep...or tyrith for the reason that path stated.

I just turned off my computer though so I likely won't vote till after 7pm...closer to 8 prolly.

you already posted this about 10 minutes ago (#436)...thanks for re-iterating you dont like me, i got it

[Barkeep49]

I liked SnDvls logic for voting for ntn and so I'll place my vote there for the time being. However, I will move it later on if it could protect Blade, pending future information of course.

Vote ntn

[Blade6119]

I liked SnDvls logic for voting for ntn and so I'll place my vote there for the time being. However, I will move it later on if it could protect Blade, pending future information of course.

Vote ntn

my vote is still a one vote, so i can move it if i need to save myself..there still is time yet to see how things develop

[Barkeep49]

I'm just impressed with DT's ability to post TWICE with his computer turned off.

[Blade6119]

I'm just impressed with DT's ability to post TWICE with his computer turned off.

firewall hacker role? lol, its actually listed

[Tyrith]

Eh, fine. Back to my other, significantly more joking foe :)

UNVOTE BLADE
VOTE NTNDEACON

[Barkeep49]

firewall hacker role? lol, its actually listed
Heh. If it was more concrete that the hacker was a bad guy that might be good enough for a D1 vote.

[hoopsguy]

Eh, fine. Back to my other, significantly more joking foe :)

UNVOTE BLADE
VOTE NTNDEACON

It is hard to both start a bandwagon (1st vote, later unvoted) and jump on a bandwagon on the same day. I learn a lot from watching veteran werewolf players ;)

[st.cronin]

Was there any explanation from LSG or Blade for what their relationship was supposed to be? I thought Blade claimed that LSG could clear him, and then she voted for him. How does that make any sense?

[Abe Sargent]

I may have missed it, but has anybody actually SAID they have cast a vote for the judge? Since we need a majority of eligible voters, its imperative that we get some sort of consensus.

I voted for me :)

[Blade6119]

Was there any explanation from LSG or Blade for what their relationship was supposed to be? I thought Blade claimed that LSG could clear him, and then she voted for him. How does that make any sense?

We have no relationship, other then both claimed we could prove our innocence if need be. I presented my case, take it for what you will, and DT confirmed my story, but did not really clear me.

Lsg said she could be cleared, and has done nothing else. Her vote for me is in response to the marvel game, when i betrayed her

[Abe Sargent]

And here is what I'm showing up with for a vote count:

Cronin - Blade (97)
Blade - LSG (105), Lathum (323), Tyrith (414)
Barkeep - Cronin (325), Hoops (424)
Tyrith - NTN (327), Path (427)
Bsak - Chief (362), Narcizo (390)
Lathum - bsak (395)
NTN - SnDvls (413)

I can;t remember exactly who, but were any of the current vote getters people who said that they thought we simply should not vote for a judge on day one? I find that suspicious, since a judge is a valuable tool for the goodies.

-Anxiety

[path12]

Was there any explanation from LSG or Blade for what their relationship was supposed to be? I thought Blade claimed that LSG could clear him, and then she voted for him. How does that make any sense?

Blade never claimed LSG could clear him IIRC, he claimed that someone could and then so did LSG but never came through with a reason or person who could do that.

Like I said earlier, LSG has it out for Blade which is why I believe her vote went there.

[Abe Sargent]

It is hard to both start a bandwagon (1st vote, later unvoted) and jump on a bandwagon on the same day. I learn a lot from watching veteran werewolf players ;)

This made me laugh :)

[st.cronin]

We have no relationship, other then both claimed we could prove our innocence if need be. I presented my case, take it for what you will, and DT confirmed my story, but did not really clear me.

Lsg said she could be cleared, and has done nothing else. Her vote for me is in response to the marvel game, when i betrayed her

ok, well then:

vote LoneStarGirl

[LoneStarGirl]

OK, well the vote by LoneStarGirl on Blade6119 answers the question she ducked earlier about how she felt about him.
.

How did I duck anything? I am a full time teacher getting my masters degree, sorry I dont have 12 hours to devote to playing this game. When I get home and finish making dinner I get online (5ish central) So I didn't duck anything, I just haven't been online. And why do you keep using everybody's full name? That is weird

[path12]

And why do you keep using everybody's full name? That is weird

I think I'm gonna start calling him hoo this game.

[Blade6119]

I can;t remember exactly who, but were any of the current vote getters people who said that they thought we simply should not vote for a judge on day one? I find that suspicious, since a judge is a valuable tool for the goodies.

-Anxiety

The only person i remember being against a judge vote was path, but i think their were others

[LoneStarGirl]

So now ive had my mortal blood foe lathum, someone who wants to be my mortal blood foe in LSG, and the guy i fought with in the last game. Gotta love the friends i make in WW

mortal blood foe? over WW? I hope you are kidding.

[Lathum]

mortal blood foe? over WW? I hope you are kidding.

me thinks he is

[path12]

The only person i remember being against a judge vote was path, but i think their were others

My position still stands that I'd rather get the right person in there than risk putting a bad guy there. But I have placed a vote.

[LoneStarGirl]

Like I said earlier, LSG has it out for Blade which is why I believe her vote went there.

Are you kidding? I have it out for blade? You did the same thing to me in the Marvel game, and you kicked me off the survivor game, both you and NTN. So I should have it out for you two then right? I told him after he betrayed me I would vote for him day one. And I stick to my word. I did. And I probably won't from now on unless he keeps pissing me off. :p

[Barkeep49]

me thinks he is
I don't. I think she and GE need to invest in better locks.

[Lathum]

unvote LSG
vote Jonathen E.

LSG gets a raw deal way to much

[path12]

Are you kidding? I have it out for blade? You did the same thing to me in the Marvel game, and you kicked me off the survivor game, both you and NTN. So I should have it out for you two then right? I told him after he betrayed me I would vote for him day one. And I stick to my word. I did. And I probably won't from now on unless he keeps pissing me off. :p

But I would never be your mortal blood foe. I think you'd probably kick my ass. :D

[Marathoner]

I never know who to vote for on day 1. Too little information. The only thing I've got to go on was BK statements. I am not convinced it means anything however, therefore this vote is subject to change however.

VOTE BARKEEP49

[LoneStarGirl]

See path, that is why I didn't vote for you or ntn today. You two amuse me too much.

And thank you Lathum I appreciate it.

[Abe Sargent]

Okay, I went back and read the threads of those who have already gotten a vote - because I don;t want to waste a vote. Of those who already have votes, ntndeacon strikes me as trying to post and yet remain UTR. HEre are his posts:

A retalitory vote on Tyrith; a safe vote for a wolf because no one will question it later

A rules clarification

A comment about a previous game

Wondering if there are masons


This is precisely the strategy I often use as wolf. Ask some questions about what's going on, help out every now and then with a rules clarification, try to get a vote out there that no one will question later, talk about other games or the people playing - this is very evasive while also appearing to be helpful. Normally, I'd be leery of a pile-on vote this early, but at this stage, I think if anyone smells wolf, its him.


Vote ntndeacon

[Alan T]

Big City Herald
Edition 4

Did the Nintendo Wii come to the Big City?

No, the Wii has not yet been released here in the Big City. That long line of people you saw today was the line of people at the town's pawn shop ready to lay down money on a brand new knife. When we talked to one of the frustrated customers, he had this to say, "A store advertises a deal, you would think they should have more than 1 knife to sell!!" I suppose we will see if the pawn shop keeps some of these customers in the future.

Can't we websurf porn in peace?

Today's big crimestory is the apparent break in and a particular homeowner's cry for protection. No, it wasn't a case of anyone busting down their door and entering, this type of crime was far more hi-tech. "They're after me.. they're after you too... "

The Herald crime beat reporters were able to come up with some information on the crime:

I would like to report this crime.
Date: 2/27
Time: 5:15PM CST
Details: A perpetrator has violated the sanctity of my computer - please arrest and execute the guilty party! We need to clean up this town!

(Any available Police detectives may submit an action to investigate this crime if they so choose by sending me a PM)

[hoopsguy]

It was my house that was invaded. I would encourage any detectives in the city to take action.

It isn't paranoia if they really are out to get you.

[st.cronin]

hoopsGUY, what happened? can you give more details?

[Marathoner]

this is a hell of a paper, four editions in one day!

[hoopsguy]

Although I am pretty aware of computer security, and cautious enough to check my error logs for intruders, it appears that I overlooked installing a firewall, thus inviting someone to sift through all of my files. Desktop encryption? Not so much, as in none. So whatever information is on there - I don't know what is there and I wouldn't share that information publicly if I did - is no available to whoever hacked my system.

I wish I had more than one vote today - I think a shotgun approach would work well. Mainly because I'm AE-level suspicious of everyone in the room (figuratively).

[hoopsguy]

Note - is now available. No editing, so wanted to avoid confusion.

[Blade6119]

It was my house that was invaded. I would encourage any detectives in the city to take action.

It isn't paranoia if they really are out to get you.

The crime was that of a computer being hacked, not a house invaded....so either your not the same crime, or something...but the report and what you just said dont really match

[Jonathan Ezarik]

(Any available Police detectives may submit an action to investigate this crime if they so choose by sending me a PM)

Does this give anyone else the impression that the detectives can't communicate with each other? Or am I reading too much into this?

[hoopsguy]

Blade6119, you can see the details of the account in Post #483. Also, I'm positive it is me because the exact info I posted for the crime report is listed.

CST should be a pretty frigging big hint for someone who wants to play detective. And the word choices - perpetrator, sanctity, clean (*cough* Lathum *cough*) - are probably not in the vocabulary of a few of the less edumacated folks around these parts.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

The only person i remember being against a judge vote was path, but i think their were others

I was another voice against rushing in to electing a judge. I've come around to accept that we need one, but I'm still unsettled by how things have gone down thus far. I will be voting, but I don't know for whom. I don't want to vote for Anxiety, but it looks like I'll have to to ensure we get someone elected.

[Blade6119]

Blade6119, you can see the details of the account in Post #483. Also, I'm positive it is me because the exact info I posted for the crime report is listed.

CST should be a pretty frigging big hint for someone who wants to play detective. And the word choices - perpetrator, sanctity, clean (*cough* Lathum *cough*) - are probably not in the vocabulary of a few of the less edumacated folks around these parts.

Im not going to press what i see here, but you are certainly playing your role with flair

[Jonathan Ezarik]

unvote LSG
vote Jonathen E.

LSG gets a raw deal way to much

Why the vote for me?

[SnDvls]

our meeting got posponed so I should be on and off 'cept for dinner

[st.cronin]

Although I am pretty aware of computer security, and cautious enough to check my error logs for intruders, it appears that I overlooked installing a firewall, thus inviting someone to sift through all of my files. Desktop encryption? Not so much, as in none. So whatever information is on there - I don't know what is there and I wouldn't share that information publicly if I did - is no available to whoever hacked my system.

I wish I had more than one vote today - I think a shotgun approach would work well. Mainly because I'm AE-level suspicious of everyone in the room (figuratively).

I bet I know what happened to you, and I'm about 75% sure that it was done by a villager.

[DaddyTorgo]

okay:

1) Blade...I don't dislike you. I took a game off, cleared my mind, and I'm fine. It's a game...no bad blood man. The reason it posted twice was because I was on my lil phone.
2) That's how I posted twice with my computer off, from my phone. Just checking in when I finished with my book and before dinner.

[hoopsguy]

Im not going to press what i see here, but you are certainly playing your role with flair

Best I can tell, only one person max - if they learned info about my role through hacking my system - would know how well I am (or am not) playing my role. Hmm, what are the chances you had two actions already? The one that DaddyTorgo confirmed and the one that I'm reporting to the police?

Or, what are the chances that you are communicating freely with the person who accessed my systems? The mind reels with possibilities here ...

In terms of the item you saw on ther person of DaddyTorgo, did you see anything that would indicate he had the ability to hack my systems? If so, I would think hard about re-casting my Judge vote.

[Lathum]

Blade6119, you can see the details of the account in Post #483. Also, I'm positive it is me because the exact info I posted for the crime report is listed.

CST should be a pretty frigging big hint for someone who wants to play detective. And the word choices - perpetrator, sanctity, clean (*cough* Lathum *cough*) - are probably not in the vocabulary of a few of the less edumacated folks around these parts.

huh?

[DaddyTorgo]

I think I like Anxiety's thinking about ntn. He does tend to fly UTR for significant periods of time, and if his posts are as Anxiety says they are...that seems good enough for a quasi-random D1 vote for me.

VOTE NTNDEACON

[hoopsguy]

I bet I know what happened to you, and I'm about 75% sure that it was done by a villager.

I can be a reasonable man, when I understand what is going on and why. How about you lay it out for me before we get someone you think is acting in the interests of the city arrested?

[Blade6119]

Best I can tell, only one person max - if they learned info about my role through hacking my system - would know how well I am (or am not) playing my role. Hmm, what are the chances you had two actions already? The one that DaddyTorgo confirmed and the one that I'm reporting to the police?

Or, what are the chances that you are communicating freely with the person who accessed my systems? The mind reels with possibilities here ...

In terms of the item you saw on ther person of DaddyTorgo, did you see anything that would indicate he had the ability to hack my systems? If so, I would think hard about re-casting my Judge vote.

I have one action, i used it on DT.

I communicate with everyone, quite freely and liberally.

Ive told you all i am going to tell you about my DT encounter.

[DaddyTorgo]

I have one action, i used it on DT.

I communicate with everyone, quite freely and liberally.

Ive told you all i am going to tell you about my DT encounter.

I'm flattered Blade.

[st.cronin]

huh?

Yeah, me too. :confused: