Werewolf XLIII - The Big City (Game over)

[st.cronin]

I can be a reasonable man, when I understand what is going on and why. How about you lay it out for me before we get someone you think is acting in the interests of the city arrested?

My guess is that you were sort of seer-scanned. Alan likes to have semi-seers in his games, and that's my guess as to what happened to you.

I don't know anything, though. I suppose it could have been malicious.

[Blade6119]

I'm flattered Blade.

Ive always held you in high regard, and been very fond of playing with/against you...sorry i pissed you off in marvel, you were not my intended target

[DaddyTorgo]

Ive always held you in high regard, and been very fond of playing with/against you...sorry i pissed you off in marvel, you were not my intended target

that's neither here nor there. we can discuss it outside the confines of this game sometime soon, or after this game is over and i'll explain what I meant. But basically it doesn't matter, because i'm not the type of person to hold onto those negative emotions and let them consume me. We're good man. :)

[hoopsguy]

Ive told you all i am going to tell you about my DT encounter.

DaddyTorgo has clearly indicated that you investigated an item. I would expect you could answer "yes/no" about if it was an item that would identify him as a hacker.

I wasn't pushing this angle at all earlier because it didn't impact me and was willing to give some clearance to all parties involved once the explanations were offered. I went as far as to back DaddyTorgo as judge candidate. I'm not looking to fry him here (particularly if he isn't the guy who hacked me), but I am obviously interested in learning who was poking around my systems.

If you feel that the info (yes/no answer) is on a need-to-know basis and I don't need to know that is your choice. Just don't expect me to be pleased with that answer after you both have come as far as you already have with handing out information.

[st.cronin]

Can somebody other than Blade or DT take a stab at interpreting their interactions for me?

[Blade6119]

DaddyTorgo has clearly indicated that you investigated an item. I would expect you could answer "yes/no" about if it was an item that would identify him as a hacker.

I wasn't pushing this angle at all earlier because it didn't impact me and was willing to give some clearance to all parties involved once the explanations were offered. I went as far as to back DaddyTorgo as judge candidate. I'm not looking to fry him here (particularly if he isn't the guy who hacked me), but I am obviously interested in learning who was poking around my systems.

If you feel that the info (yes/no answer) is on a need-to-know basis and I don't need to know that is your choice. Just don't expect me to be pleased with that answer after you both have come as far as you already have with handing out information.

Ive told you all i am going to tell you about my DT encounter.

[DaddyTorgo]

hoops...i'll answer that, although I suspect you'd rather blade's response.

it was nothing that could identify me as a hacker. It was something that one...puts on. (trying to respect blade's desire not to say anything concrete)

and it wasn't me who hacked your computer.

[DaddyTorgo]

dammit...i called you hoops and I meant to type hoopsguy there. Damm no editing

[Abe Sargent]

Can somebody other than Blade or DT take a stab at interpreting their interactions for me?

Gay Internet Sex?

[hoopsguy]

My guess is that you were sort of seer-scanned. Alan likes to have semi-seers in his games, and that's my guess as to what happened to you.

I don't know anything, though. I suppose it could have been malicious.

Outside of liking my privacy and my freedom, and detesting those who infringe upon them, I don't have anything to hide. The fact that someone was snooping around my stuff doesn't necessarily indicate to me that they had the best intentions of the city at heart.

I considered your position for about 30 seconds before I reported it to the police. If cyber-crime is how we self-police our citizens, then that is not a government that I will defend.

[Blade6119]

hoops...i'll answer that, although I suspect you'd rather blade's response.

it was nothing that could identify me as a hacker. It was something that one...puts on. (trying to respect blade's desire not to say anything concrete)

and it wasn't me who hacked your computer.

.....you first told him it was an item, and now this...please stop, please

[hoopsguy]

Gay Internet Sex?

I'm just glad that wasn't the proposed answer to the question "Can someone guess as to what was found on Hoopsguy's computer?"

[DaddyTorgo]

.....you first told him it was an item, and now this...please stop, please

that's all i'm saying about it, don't worry. Just figured that would be enough to let hoops know that it wasn't something I could have used to hack his computer.

[st.cronin]

Putting together what Blade, Anxiety, and DaddyTorgo have said in the last few posts, I am going to guess that Blade was fondling DT's jockstrap.

And hoops, I understand your position. I'm just taking a guess, that's all. What happened to you doesn't seem like a "mafia" type crime. But I suppose there may be other citizens, not aligned with the mafia, who we don't want loose.

[ntndeacon]

Does this give anyone else the impression that the detectives can't communicate with each other? Or am I reading too much into this?

It does give that impression to me Jonathan... I was sitting here thinking similar thoughts.

[hoopsguy]

hoops...i'll answer that, although I suspect you'd rather blade's response.

it was nothing that could identify me as a hacker. It was something that one...puts on. (trying to respect blade's desire not to say anything concrete)

and it wasn't me who hacked your computer.

I appreciate the feedback. And I would have been fine with a "yes/no" answer from you as well in order to respect your privacy. Although you are correct that the vouching from Blade6119 in regards to that item would carry more weight.

[Blade6119]

that's all i'm saying about it, don't worry. Just figured that would be enough to let hoops know that it wasn't something I could have used to hack his computer.

You werent under any threat, none at all...he bullied you and you got scared. Reveal your own role, stop revealing mine

[path12]

Putting together what Blade, Anxiety, and DaddyTorgo have said in the last few posts, I am going to guess that Blade was fondling DT's jockstrap.

And hoops, I understand your position. I'm just taking a guess, that's all. What happened to you doesn't seem like a "mafia" type crime. But I suppose there may be other citizens, not aligned with the mafia, who we don't want loose.

We know we have good, bad and neutrals in the city. I would suspect that the hacker (who I imagine is the one who 'investigated' hoo's computer) would be in the neutral category.

[hoopsguy]

If I had my druthers on who to bully around here, Blade6119 would be near the top of the list. I've got no beef with the guy who I voted for Judge, so long as I have reason to believe he isn't after me lucky charms (argh).

[DaddyTorgo]

sorry blade. You know me. I just get scared when I have no cool powers to protect me.

[DaddyTorgo]

HOOPSGUY IS THE CITY LEPRECHAUN!!! THAT'S IT!!!

[Blade6119]

If I had my druthers on who to bully around here, Blade6119 would be near the top of the list. I've got no beef with the guy who I voted for Judge, so long as I have reason to believe he isn't after me lucky charms (argh).

You and i both know you just manipulated him into giving info i wouldnt...you can say what you will, but you did. It was a good play for you, no doubt...but dont try to act like you didnt

[ntndeacon]

well Hoopsguy, iam sure someone will look into who did go into your computer.

[ntndeacon]

my first thought is to trust Blade in this game...and since I do trust him, I also trust Daddy Torgo to some degree.

[st.cronin]

Looks like pretty useless info from where I'm standing.

[path12]

Looks like pretty useless info from where I'm standing.

Me too. Day 1 hints always go over my head.

[ntndeacon]

I will agree that my vote was a revenge vote for the vote Tyrith put on me. (i figured he would as he has said as much in previous dealings)

[ntndeacon]

my comment on Blade is nothing more than a guess. the statement before that wasn't.

[Abe Sargent]

You and i both know you just manipulated him into giving info i wouldnt...you can say what you will, but you did. It was a good play for you, no doubt...but dont try to act like you didnt

When Giants Clash!

[DaddyTorgo]

oy vey.

In that case I suppose not being a jerk demands that I

UNVOTE NTNDEACON

and hmmm

[st.cronin]

Very interesting day 1, no?

[DaddyTorgo]

anyone have a vote-count?

[DaddyTorgo]

no one really jumps out as suspicious, but i'm loath to not place a vote, I have a feeling Alan has some mechanism in place that seriously discourages that from his hinting.

that being said

VOTE MARATHONER

thanks to random.org

i'm going to get a coffee

[st.cronin]

ugh, I hate that vote DT

very definition of a throwaway

[Swaggs]

Checking in... just got back from work.

I think I'll have time to catch up from page 7.

[Tyrith]

ugh, I hate that vote DT

very definition of a throwaway

We just have to remember he did it later, because often times that's just an excuse to not get your name involved in trouble.

[LoneStarGirl]

well american idol is on so i won't be back till later.

[SnDvls]

dinner time be back in a bit

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Anyone know what we need to get today for a lynch? I looked over the rules again, but I must be missing it.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

While I'm still not satisfied with having Anxiety as our judge, I did vote for him. I was thinking about voting for DaddyTorgo, but I don't like his vote against Marathoner.

[Alan T]

Anyone know what we need to get today for a lynch? I looked over the rules again, but I must be missing it.

Person with most votes generally wins the lynch. However do not be suprised if there are other things that factor into the equation causing the top vote getter to not end up being lynched. You'll know for sure when you read it in the papers.

[hoopsguy]

Someone out there has a very aggrevating sense of humor. I'm expecting to be in the news again shortly.

[Blade6119]

Votecount?

[Marathoner]

Votecount?

doing it now, should be up in 5 minutes

[Alan T]

The Big City Herald
Edition 5

Time's ticking down for judicial election

With just a small amount of time left in the current election for the Big City judge, it appears the citizens of this fine town have been unable to reach a consensus on who the new judge should be. Our sources tell us that exit poll information reveal we might be as close to 3 votes short for one of the candidates.

Once shame on you, Twice shame on me

From the pages of the bizarre... one would think after being violated you would protect yourself from having it occur again. Evidentally one overly-trusting citizen of our town figured lightning wouldn't happen twice in the same spot. Just minutes after the police leave from investigating his previous crime report, he reports being hacked once again. Maybe tommorrow's pawn shop store sell will be computer protection.

Report crime:
Date: 2/27
Time: 7:15 PM CST
Details: Two times in two hours! Right after the detective leaves it happens again! Please come investigate ASAP and get these cyber-terrorists off the streets of our city!

[st.cronin]

This is what I have

4 - NTN - SnDvls (413), Barkeep (452), Tyrith (456), Anxiety (478)
2 - Barkeep - Hoops (424), Marathoner (476)
2 - Tyrith - NTN (327), Path (427)
2 - Bsak - Chief (362), Narcizo (390)
1 - Lathum - bsak (395)
1 - Lonestargirl - st.cronin (465)
1 - Jonathan E - Lathum (474)
1 - Marathoner - DaddyTorgo (533)
1 - Cronin - Blade (97)
1 - Blade - LSG (105)

[st.cronin]

Hoopsguy, is there anything that somebody could learn from your computer?

[Swaggs]

Do we know what happens if there is a tie?

[Marathoner]

Here is an updated vote total. I went from hoopsguys's post (437) and went forward. () indicates total current votes:

Cronin (1): Blade (97)

Blade (1): LSG (105), Lathum (323), Tyrith (414), unvote Lathum (448), unvote Tyrith (456)

Barkeep49 (2): Cronin (325), Hoopsguy (424), unvote Cronin (447), Marathoner (476)

Tyrith (2): NTN (327), path (427)

Bsak (2): CR (362), Narcizo (390)

Lathum (1): bsak (395)

NTN (4): SnDvls (413), Barkeep49 (452), Tyrith (456), Anxiety (478), DaddyTorgo (496), unvote DaddyTorgo (530)

LoneStarGirl (1): Lathum (448), St. Cronin (465), unvote Lathum (474)

JE (1): Lathum (474)

Marathoner (1): DaddyTorgo (533)

Four have not voted.

[Swaggs]

Also, what is the mechanism for reporting a crime?

[Marathoner]

This is what I have

4 - NTN - SnDvls (413), Barkeep (452), Tyrith (456), Anxiety (478)
2 - Barkeep - Hoops (424), Marathoner (476)
2 - Tyrith - NTN (327), Path (427)
2 - Bsak - Chief (362), Narcizo (390)
1 - Lathum - bsak (395)
1 - Lonestargirl - st.cronin (465)
1 - Jonathan E - Lathum (474)
1 - Marathoner - DaddyTorgo (533)
1 - Cronin - Blade (97)
1 - Blade - LSG (105)

beat me to it. ;)
At least our numbers match up. :D

[Barkeep49]

Someone out there has a very aggrevating sense of humor. I'm expecting to be in the news again shortly.
Man that's funny.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

I don't understand why the hacker would attack hoopie (;)) twice in one day. Is it possible that this attack was from someone else? The hacker the first time, and the firewall specialist this time (to drum up business)?

[Abe Sargent]

the hacker


Two points - who said there was just one hacker? Secondly, who said that the mafia may not have hacking abilities of their own?

[Swaggs]

Found my own answer:

Reporting a crime:

Sometimes, the unfortunate happens and you are victimized. If you find yourself a victim of a crime, please call the Big City police department by dialing 9-1-1. If your phone is not capable of dialing 911, you may also PM me with the crime that you would like to report. Please include the time, location and other details you wish to include.

I think we have to question, based on his behavior, that hoops might be making mischievious reports.

[ImTheCrew]

hoops what kind of info can be stolen, or has been?

[Blade6119]

Ill say hoops has made himself out to be someone of importance...saying he also had a pretty solid knowledge of computers, and of security, makes him a nice target. Who he is, i dont know...but i have a fair idea who he wants us to think he is

[ImTheCrew]

VOTE NTN

[Swaggs]

I guess I will go ahead and pile on to ntndeacon. He hasn't really done anything to stand out, but I'm not convinced the handful of people who have stood out seem on the wrong side. I'm going to make this vote because I have to pick someone and to try and prevent a tie, I guess.

Vote ntndeacon

[ntndeacon]

well. I need to go somewhere. but I also need to get my vote somewhere it might save me. so
Unvote Tyrith
Vote Bsak

[hoopsguy]

Hoopsguy, is there anything that somebody could learn from your computer?

Honestly, I don't know. I know most people would have a very good idea of what is on their computer systems, but I don't. I wish I had a better understanding of why this is, as it would be convenient to give you a definitive answer.

My guesses on what kind of info could be out there:
1. Role info
2. Allegiance
3. Monetary info
4. Message board info (if someone has susbscribed)
5. Any kind of communications between players (if that ability was in game)

There is info to be gained here, but I'm guessing a lot less than people were seeking, no matter what their motivations might have been in hijacking my PC. I'm a pretty simple guy, although I'm definitely agitated by all the prying.

I don't want to tip my hand here - enough people already have me filed, indexed, and type-cast. st.croninI'll try to answer your questions in a way that help you find what you are after, but I'm unlikely to extend the same courtesy to those I consider most suspect.

[DaddyTorgo]

you're right...quite the throwaway vote. But i'm back in time.

I don't want to vote for NTN despite him being in the lead, but bsak has been fairly quiet, so maybe if NTN has the ability to escape my vote can actually count for something instead of being a total throwaway?

UNVOTE MARATHONER

VOTE BSAK16

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Two points - who said there was just one hacker? Secondly, who said that the mafia may not have hacking abilities of their own?

I guess it's possible the mafia could have their own hacker, but that sounds more like something they would hire out for. It's also possible that there is more than one hacker available. Would that explain the two attacks against the same person? Why would the same hacker select the same target in the same day? That doesn't make sense to me.

[Swaggs]

Hoops, are you making these reports?

If so, will you clearly state, for truth, that your computer has been hacked three separate times today?

[ntndeacon]

I would certainly look at ITC and Swaggs tomorrow after I am gone. For those late votes after I said what I said earlier.

[Swaggs]

Interesting late break here...

[hoopsguy]

Updated vote counts - NTN is looking like he is in a world of hurt here:

Cronin - Blade (97)
Blade - LSG (105)
Barkeep - Hoops (424), Marathoner (476)
Tyrith - Path (427)
Bsak - Chief (362), Narcizo (390), NTN (560)
Lathum - bsak (395)
NTN - SnDvls (413), Barkeep (452), Tyrith (456), Anxiety (478), Crew (558), Swaggs (559)
LSG - Cronin (465)
Jon - Lathum (474)
Marathoner - Daddy (533)

[Swaggs]

I would certainly look at ITC and Swaggs tomorrow after I am gone. For those late votes after I said what I said earlier.

I have made no secret over the past few games of the fact that I work until late. Unless someone presents some solid information early in a day, all of my votes will likely be after 8:00 PM EST.

[DaddyTorgo]

hoops...you missed my change to bsak

[Jonathan Ezarik]

VOTE NTN

That's two games in a row where you've voted without giving a reason. It looks like ntn is gone, so this vote won't really amount to much, but here it is:

VOTE IMTHECREW

[hoopsguy]

Hoops, are you making these reports?

If so, will you clearly state, for truth, that your computer has been hacked three separate times today?

My computer has been hacked twice today. I have reported both. One has appeared in the news, and I would expect the other will.

Unlike others are suggesting, I have no special computer skills, other than to not protect it apparently.

[ntndeacon]

oh it isnt the voting late I was referring to Swaggs. it was the who you voted for. I made a very strong hint of what Iam.

[Blade6119]

hoopsguy, welcome to the bad luck club...someone just jacked all my cash...over $400....i reported that bastard right away

[Blade6119]

And now i will be forced out of my job, as my private goal can no longer be met...thanks for ruining my game, whoever did that

[ntndeacon]

I am out till later. If It goes as Iassume then have a good game y'all.

But if enough right minded people come to play imay stay another day

[Blade6119]

St. cronin and sndvls...id like an investigator to check them out...

[path12]

UNVOTE TYRITH
VOTE BSAK

These late votes on ntn are really suspicious.

[st.cronin]

I'm quite frankly baffled by this development. Maybe there are two 'hacker types' and both targeted hoopsguy?

[path12]

Hoo, can you verify that a particular detective visited you?

[hoopsguy]

Cronin - Blade (97)
Blade - LSG (105)
Barkeep - Hoops (424), Marathoner (476)
Bsak - Chief (362), Narcizo (390), NTN (560), Daddy (562), Path (577)
Lathum - bsak (395)
NTN - SnDvls (413), Barkeep (452), Tyrith (456), Anxiety (478), Crew (558), Swaggs (559)
LSG - Cronin (465)
Jon - Lathum (474)
Crew - Jon (570)

[Abe Sargent]

I can comfirm, and others will as well, that someone just posted over on that board that looks like there are two hackers - but again, it could be someone just wanting it to look that way.

[st.cronin]

And now i will be forced out of my job, as my private goal can no longer be met...thanks for ruining my game, whoever did that

Since your private goal can't be met, can you tell us what it was?

[hoopsguy]

Hoo, can you verify that a particular detective visited you?

I can verify one way or another, yes. Is there a strategic advantage in doing so at this point in time?

[st.cronin]

I can comfirm, and others will as well, that someone just posted over on that board that looks like there are two hackers - but again, it could be someone just wanting it to look that way.

Yep. It makes more sense that there are two hackers.

[Tyrith]

Or there is one hacker attempting to cover himself. But User 14 admitted they are a hacker.

[path12]

I can verify one way or another, yes. Is there a strategic advantage in doing so at this point in time?

I am going to assume that if there is you would do it.

[Swaggs]

At worst, this will be a productive day 1 vote, I think.

[Barkeep49]

So I have a feeling that a certain player knows my role. I am ready to reveal if a player steps up and says that they suspect what role I have. I will not reveal their role, simply mine.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Or there is one hacker attempting to cover himself. But User 14 admitted they are a hacker.

The same person hinted at having a limited duke-type ability in an earlier post.

[Marathoner]

Cronin - Blade (97)
Blade - LSG (105)
Barkeep - Hoops (424), Marathoner (476)
Bsak - Chief (362), Narcizo (390), NTN (560), Daddy (562), Path (577)
Lathum - bsak (395)
NTN - SnDvls (413), Barkeep (452), Tyrith (456), Anxiety (478), Crew (558), Swaggs (559)
LSG - Cronin (465)
Jon - Lathum (474)
Crew - Jon (570)

Who didn't vote?

[st.cronin]

Lots of intrigue. Wish I knew what half of you were talking about.

[Tyrith]

The same person hinted at having a limited duke-type ability in an earlier post.

Ah, yeah, that was the same person.

There seem to be a LOT of moving parts in this game, people that know other people, lots of funky interactions. We might need to be careful about what conclusions we draw early on, until we know more.

[Marathoner]

kingfc22. Has he posted?

[Alan T]

Current Judge: None

In Jail: None

Warrants: None

Injuries: None

Job Openings: None

Pawn Shop items for sell:

12 bullets for $150.00


Day 2 has now started. Deadline for Day 2 is 9:00pm EST Wednesday evening. All daily actions (including judge votes, lynch votes, or individual daily actions) may now be submitted for day 2.

[hoopsguy]

King was on earlier, said that we were posting a lot. That is about the only thing I recall.

[st.cronin]

Is that deadline?

[Tyrith]

And the judge vote flopped. Bleh.

[st.cronin]

Wait, I thought the judge votes were going to get posted? And no lynch, that's odd.

[hoopsguy]

Do we know that yet? I thought vote counts for the judge would be posted.

I'm going to be interested in seeing how many total votes were cast.

[hoopsguy]

And I expect the lynch results will be in the daily news at some point during the day - the guy hanging from the rope should get a PM. That is if I'm recalling correctly what the voice in my head said earlier during Day 1 ...

[Jonathan Ezarik]

I'm hoping the votes for judge will be in the next Big City Herald (along with the results of the lynch).

[Tyrith]

True hoops. I'm getting a little ahead of myself.

[Barkeep49]

I also remain interested in the judge votes.

[Marathoner]

It will be interesting to see the judge vote, may give us an idea on the numbers of the mafia.

[Barkeep49]

That has to be one of the most anti-climatic lynchings ever. I know Alan said not to get our hopes up, but damn.

[ImTheCrew]

That's two games in a row where you've voted without giving a reason. It looks like ntn is gone, so this vote won't really amount to much, but here it is:

VOTE IMTHECREW

from what ive read its just a first day vote, so i didnt want to throw my vote away so i piled on, in the following days ill post reasons and such

[Swaggs]

That has to be one of the most anti-climatic lynchings ever. I know Alan said not to get our hopes up, but damn.

I think things are going to run in real time. I'm guessing the normal "night action" kills, will be broad day light murders.

[Alan T]

The Big City Herald
Edition 6

Mob out of control

Breaking news at the town hall.. a mob of people who spent the majority of the day crying out for improved law enforcement went out of control after a string of reported crimes. The leader kept crying out that the police were not doing enough, things had to change..

As the crowd grew into a frenzy, one of Big City's own detectives, just having returned from investigating a hacker report ended up in the wrong place at the wrong time. Its unknown currently where the bottles first came from, but it did not take long to find the Detective pelted with bottles, rocks and anything else people could find. As the police finally brought the crowd under control, it was too late for the police detective he was declared dead at the scene.

RIP Ntndeacon, loyal detective on the Big City police force.

Petty crimes increase in the Commercial district

Only minutes before the shocking news of the police detective's demise word out of the commercial district was that a local citizen was attacked in broad daylight and robbed. He reports to have lost some money in the ordeal.

Crime #3:
Time: 8:46pm EST
Location: Commercial District
Info: Wallet stolen, lost cash

No new justice

In a time when crime seems to be its highest, the citizens of the Big City evidentally choose to handle things mob variety. A local vote to elect a new judge failed as there were not enough votes for any candidate. Final poll results:

Anxiety - 9
Blade - 3
DaddyTorgo - 3
Hoopsguy - 1
Tyrith - 1

(Note to any remaining city detectives, you may at any time investigate a past crime. Simply PM which crime you wish to investigate.)

[ImTheCrew]

could that have been worse?

[st.cronin]

Wow, Blade got THREE votes?

[Tyrith]

And I got ANY votes? WTF. That was possible the worst day ever.

[hoopsguy]

I was worried for Ntndeacon after he said that "someone would investigate" right after I reported the crime. Should have shifted my vote to bsak, but didn't have the guts. I'm very annoyed with myself right now for not trusting my gut on this.

But he was also in here late and could have come forward with that info to remove voters and chose not to do so.

The way I read that description indicates that he was investigating the crime I reported. Path12 asked earlier if I could ID the detective and the answer is no, or else I would have definitely have tried to save him in the last hour. I would expect Blade6119 to have a similar experience if/when someone investigates his crime, if he did report it.

[Barkeep49]

That sucked. I'm real disappointed we came up short with Anxiety.

[Abe Sargent]

Feh, and I helped lead the charge against him. Sucks on two fronts.

[Abe Sargent]

I'm real disappointed we came up short with Anxiety.

Now there's a phrase that can be read two ways.

[Barkeep49]

Now there's a phrase that can be read two ways.
Really? I wish you'd gotten enough votes to be judge. Is that unambiguous enough for you?

[st.cronin]

HoopsGUY does that mean that there is another detective? If so, that's not nearly as bad.

And yeah, bad play by ntn not to reveal. I think we could have found somebody else to vote for.

[Abe Sargent]

Really? I wish you'd gotten enough votes to be judge. Is that unambiguous enough for you?

No pretzel boy, I meant it could be read as ANXIETY the term, not Anxiety my name.

[Tyrith]

I know for sure there are multiple detectives. I suspect there are at least three.

[Barkeep49]

HoopsGUY does that mean that there is another detective? If so, that's not nearly as bad.

And yeah, bad play by ntn not to reveal. I think we could have found somebody else to vote for.
Yup. I'd rather have the police out in the open, forcing the bad guys to potentially expose their hands, than to go down at the hands of a lynch mob.

[Marathoner]

damn, another bad first day.

[hoopsguy]

I'm disappointing that the findings on my computer issue likely died with the detective. I'm going to track votes against NTN from the time I reported my computer crime out of curiosity ...

I'm assuming there is no value in reporting the lynch victim as a crime? In terms of identifying Mob activity? Anyone have thoughts on this, or a dissenting opinion?

[st.cronin]

I'm disappointing that the findings on my computer issue likely died with the detective. I'm going to track votes against NTN from the time I reported my computer crime out of curiosity ...

I'm assuming there is no value in reporting the lynch victim as a crime? In terms of identifying Mob activity? Anyone have thoughts on this, or a dissenting opinion?

I thought you said ntn was NOT your detective. If he wasn't your detective, why would the investigation die with him?

[Swaggs]

Anyone have any interpretations of the judge votes?

[Tyrith]

I'm disappointing that the findings on my computer issue likely died with the detective. I'm going to track votes against NTN from the time I reported my computer crime out of curiosity ...

I'm assuming there is no value in reporting the lynch victim as a crime? In terms of identifying Mob activity? Anyone have thoughts on this, or a dissenting opinion?

The detectives have to vote for the lynchees too. What are they going to do, find themselves criminals?

[hoopsguy]

I thought you said ntn was NOT your detective. If he wasn't your detective, why would the investigation die with him?

The way I read that description indicates that he (NTN) was investigating the crime I reported. Path12 asked earlier if I could ID the detective and the answer is no, or else I would have definitely have tried to save him in the last hour. I would expect Blade6119 to have a similar experience if/when someone investigates his crime, if he did report it.

I don't know for sure, but I'm pretty sure he was my detective.

[SnDvls]

okay I'm back from dinner

catching up now

[Tyrith]

for what it's worth, the detective that looked after hoops's scene was #2

[Marathoner]

Anyone have any interpretations of the judge votes?

I'd say the votes for DT and anxiety were from villagers. I'll bet the votes for hoopguy and tyrith were throw aways from the mafia. I have no clue about the three for blade. 17 votes overall with 2 throwaways, likely from the mafia. I'd guess at least 5 people who may not have the best interest of the community at heart.

[hoopsguy]

As the crowd grew into a frenzy, one of Big City's own detectives, just having returned from investigating a hacker report ended up in the wrong place at the wrong time

Here is why I'm pretty sure ...

[st.cronin]

Anyone have any interpretations of the judge votes?

I was thinking it might give us some clue how many mafia there were. How many people didn't vote at all? That might be the best clue.

[Marathoner]

for what it's worth, the detective that looked after hoops's scene was #2

how do you know that?

[Jonathan Ezarik]

I'd say the votes for DT and anxiety were from villagers. I'll bet the votes for hoopguy and tyrith were throw aways from the mafia. I have no clue about the three for blade. 17 votes overall with 2 throwaways, likely from the mafia. I'd guess at least 5 people who may not have the best interest of the community at heart.

Keep in mind that it's not just the mafia that would be interested in not having a judge. I have a feeling that there are some neutrals out there that would rather not have a judge sitting on the bench.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

I was thinking it might give us some clue how many mafia there were. How many people didn't vote at all? That might be the best clue.

Three people didn't vote.

[Marathoner]

Keep in mind that it's not just the mafia that would be interested in not having a judge. I have a feeling that there are some neutrals out there that would rather not have a judge sitting on the bench.

Agreed, that's why I said 5 who may not have the best interests of the community at heart. They may not be part of the mafia, but may have their reasons for not wanting a judge.

[kingfc22]

Three people didn't vote.

*Raises hand*:(

Had a job interview today.:D

Now I have to catch up on all the action. How did I let myself get dealt into this mess? I knew there was a reason I had taken a break from WW.

[Tyrith]

Marathoner, suffice it to say for now that I am in the know in many police matters because I work in house.

[hoopsguy]

OK, since we have a 24 hour rolling day, I think we can have meaningful discussions right away. Do we need a new judge strategy or just follow the same one from yesterday? Do we all try to back one candidate that is agreed on early, or have some discussion before deciding? Do we still have the right horse(s) for the judge in Anxiety/DaddyTorgo/Blade6119?

I would agree that if anyone has a way of learning who voted for either me or Tyrith for judge yesterday that they bring that information forward. Those smell like throwaways.

[hoopsguy]

Marathoner, suffice it to say for now that I am in the know in many police matters because I work in house.

It would have been convenient if you knew he was Detective #2 before voting for him initially and then re-voting him later :(

[st.cronin]

Question - with no kill happening (making conversion something of a possibility), does that change the way we view the Blade/DT interaction?

[Abe Sargent]

OK, since we have a 24 hour rolling day, I think we can have meaningful discussions right away. Do we need a new judge strategy or just follow the same one from yesterday? Do we all try to back one candidate that is agreed on early, or have some discussion before deciding? Do we still have the right horse(s) for the judge in Anxiety/DaddyTorgo/Blade6119?

I would agree that if anyone has a way of learning who voted for either me or Tyrith for judge yesterday that they bring that information forward. Those smell like throwaways.


I'd rather have DT as a judge than no judge at all. So if I don;t have a majority, I'd be happy to throw my weight behind him. We NEED a judge.

[hoopsguy]

And I do recognize the difference between what you posted and what I inferred there. It wasn't intended as an attack, fwiw.

[Tyrith]

Marathoner, I didn't know who detective #2 was. I know numbers, not names.

Hoops, I think the best plan would be to pile votes on one candidate and get an actual judge into office, and I think that means we need to solidify on a candidate early. We can't fragment at all, as we have seen, because it is hard to get 50 percent of a secret ballot.

[SnDvls]

how do you know that?

see hoops, err hoopsguy post # 630

from the description ntndeacon was leaving hoopsguy's house and was thus mob lynched.



king- did you not vote for a judge too or just lynch?

[DaddyTorgo]

if elected as judge I will serve to the best of my ability. but I leave it up to others to decide if I am the best candidate.

I too would be very interested in the late votes onto ntn, it's quite possible that with some of the things he said that there could be mafioso in there.

[ImTheCrew]

my vote for judge was anxiety, if any one wanted to know

[st.cronin]

I prefer Anxiety or Blade to DT. Something about DT and Blade's interaction doesn't feel right to me. But I'll go with the majority.

[Swaggs]

Question - with no kill happening (making conversion something of a possibility), does that change the way we view the Blade/DT interaction?

I think there is still the possibility that there was/will be a kill.

I think that, since there is no designated night period, a kill could come at any time.

[Tyrith]

I will go with either Anxiety or DT, but I would prefer Anxiety beacuse blade/DT seems like one of those potential weird interactions blade is prone to doing as a wolf.

[ImTheCrew]

For the betters


Ok State is up 40-31 at halftime over K state

[st.cronin]

I think there is still the possibility that there was/will be a kill.

I think that, since there is no designated night period, a kill could come at any time.

I suppose.

[Barkeep49]

I agree that it's possible for us to have a night kill, which simply hasn't happened yet, owing to the 24 hour cycles.

[hoopsguy]

Voting analysis around Ntndeacon down the stretch:

Four votes already on Ntndeacon prior to Post #479, three in last 40 minutes (Barkeep40, Tyrith, Anxiety)
Post #479 News report of crime
Post #480 hoopsguy = victim
Post #496 DaddyTorgo votes Ntndeacon
Post #515 Ntndeacon says that he believes detectives cannot communicate with each other
Post #523 Ntndeacon says that someone will investigate my report (communicating to other detectives)
Post #530 Daddy unvotes Ntndeacon, changes to Marathoner
Post #558 ImTheCrew votes Ntndeacon, no reason
Post #559 Swaggs votes Ntndeacon, looking to prevent tie (6th vote, none with more than 2 at that time)
Post #570 Jonathan Ezarik votes for ImTheCrew with 6-4 vote at the time between Ntndeacon and Bsak16
Post #572 Ntndeacon says he made strong hint of who he was
Post #577 path12 votes for Bsak16, closing gap to 6-5 with 8 minutes to go

[Blade6119]

Since your private goal can't be met, can you tell us what it was?
I was looking for a certain type of ring/diamond, one that if i found and purchased would have helped me immensely in reaching my goals...since i plan on vacating this job now, i wont give away what the ring is or what it does in case someone else wants the job...but since i now have no money, i can no longer purchase the item. Whoever stole the money from me, you just screwed a good guy..one that could potentially have been helpful.

[Swaggs]

I agree that it's possible for us to have a night kill, which simply hasn't happened yet, owing to the 24 hour cycles.

Or reported...

[DaddyTorgo]

I unvoted NTN because he stated that he believed that I was good FYI

[Blade6119]

I still 99.9% believe cronin is evil and needs to die...today made me even more sure of this fact...but take it for what it is, a hunch

[Swaggs]

I was looking for a certain type of ring/diamond, one that if i found and purchased would have helped me immensely in reaching my goals...since i plan on vacating this job now, i wont give away what the ring is or what it does in case someone else wants the job...but since i now have no money, i can no longer purchase the item. Whoever stole the money from me, you just screwed a good guy..one that could potentially have been helpful.

Odd point of contention to bring up the issue that whoever stole the money screwed a good guy and one that could be helpful.

You do realize that pickpockets are not on our side, don't you? Would you expect them to want to help us out?

[ImTheCrew]

Voting analysis around Ntndeacon down the stretch:

Four votes already on Ntndeacon prior to Post #479, three in last 40 minutes (Barkeep40, Tyrith, Anxiety)
Post #479 News report of crime
Post #480 hoopsguy = victim
Post #496 DaddyTorgo votes Ntndeacon
Post #515 Ntndeacon says that he believes detectives cannot communicate with each other
Post #523 Ntndeacon says that someone will investigate my report (communicating to other detectives)
Post #530 Daddy unvotes Ntndeacon, changes to Marathoner
Post #558 ImTheCrew votes Ntndeacon, no reason
Post #559 Swaggs votes Ntndeacon, looking to prevent tie (6th vote, none with more than 2 at that time)
Post #570 Jonathan Ezarik votes for ImTheCrew with 6-4 vote at the time between Ntndeacon and Bsak16
Post #572 Ntndeacon says he made strong hint of who he was
Post #577 path12 votes for Bsak16, closing gap to 6-5 with 8 minutes to go
i missed post 570,572,577 otherwise i would have swichted my vote to bsak

[Blade6119]

Odd point of contention to bring up the issue that whoever stole the money screwed a good guy and one that could be helpful.

You do realize that pickpockets are not on our side, don't you? Would you expect them to want to help us out?

Where does it say there not on our side? I see them listed in their own section, but i dont see them saying their not good?

[Barkeep49]

Odd point of contention to bring up the issue that whoever stole the money screwed a good guy and one that could be helpful.

You do realize that pickpockets are not on our side, don't you? Would you expect them to want to help us out?
I thought something similar. There's a benign and malevolent explanation for this.

[ImTheCrew]

i didnt even realize the voting was that close

[st.cronin]

I still 99.9% believe cronin is evil and needs to die...today made me even more sure of this fact...but take it for what it is, a hunch

I think you make this post once per WW game. Do you have a macro function for it on your pc?

[Blade6119]

I thought something similar. There's a benign and malevolent explanation for this.

Show me where it says their not good...it says their shady, not nuetral

[Dr. Sak]

I still 99.9% believe cronin is evil and needs to die...today made me even more sure of this fact...but take it for what it is, a hunch

You gotta have more than a hunch on why he is evil.

[Blade6119]

I think you make this post once per WW game. Do you have a macro function for it on your pc?

I actually havent made this claim in over 4 games...i just went back and checked for my records...so maybe the macro function is you trying to blow off my correct accusation

[Swaggs]

Where does it say there not on our side? I see them listed in their own section, but i dont see them saying their not good?

They are listed among "The Shady" on the front page, along with "Thugs" and "Hackers." At best, I'd say they are out for their individual interests. At worst, I would guess they can be hired by mafia members to do their legwork.

[Barkeep49]

Show me where it says their not good...it says their shady, not nuetral
Oh I agree that the shady characters aren't bad. But I think it's unlikely that they would feel a pang of remorse about stealing from a villager.

[Blade6119]

You gotta have more than a hunch on why he is evil.

Well, i didnt help the group kill our police detective...so id say my hunches should be viewed better then most right now.

[Abe Sargent]

I just want to say that I am a huge fan of the Underground Msg Board already! Adds a very good element to the game!

[Blade6119]

Oh I agree that the shady characters aren't bad. But I think it's unlikely that they would feel a pang of remorse about stealing from a villager.

Swaggs, and you, both clearly said they werent good...we had such roles in jack the ripper, and they were on the side of good. Being devious, and working for their own goals to some extent, doesnt make them evil. So my point, which both of you frowned upon, is valid

[Blade6119]

I just want to say that I am a huge fan of the Underground Msg Board already! Adds a very good element to the game!

Im finding it adds an interesting mechanic to the gameplay

[Swaggs]

Swaggs, and you, both clearly said they werent good...we had such roles in jack the ripper, and they were on the side of good. Being devious, and working for their own goals to some extent, doesnt make them evil. So my point, which both of you frowned upon, is valid

I'll just point out that I disagree and leave it at that, since there is really nothing to gain from this line of discussion.

[ImTheCrew]

They are listed among "The Shady" on the front page, along with "Thugs" and "Hackers." At best, I'd say they are out for their individual interests. At worst, I would guess they can be hired by mafia members to do their legwork.

you would think a pickpocketer would be a bad guy how could he help the good side in anyway?

Other thought he could be neutral, just to gain for himself

[Dr. Sak]

I just want to say that I am a huge fan of the Underground Msg Board already! Adds a very good element to the game!

Yeah. It seems to me that someone here is a lot richer than they are making themselves out to be.

[path12]

Path12 asked earlier if I could ID the detective and the answer is no,

That was why I asked. Ntn had strongly suggested he was a detective. I do not feel good about those who a) kept their votes on him and even worse b) those who voted him after that.

[ImTheCrew]

That was why I asked. Ntn had strongly suggested he was a detective. I do not feel good about those who a) kept their votes on him and even worse b) those who voted him after that.

i completley missed that whole bunch of post, i feel bad about it and i hope it will not be a mistake that comes back to haunt me

[Abe Sargent]

Yeah. It seems to me that someone here is a lot richer than they are making themselves out to be.

Are you saying I'm rich? I'm not. I have enough money to participate on the Underground, but I'm hardly rich because of it. Numerous people have posted on the messageboard already, are they all rich too?

[kingfc22]

Well that was a shitty day.

SnDlvs - I did not vote for a judge because the last time I was on (last night) there was not enough info to go on. If I had been on today, I would have voted for Anxiety to be judge.

Not sure who I would have voted to lynch since day 1 is always so random.

The one thing that concerns me the most is hoops and his cpu being hacked continously. Why would the mafia do it more than once? If I was a mafia member, would I make this up and make one of my own look like a target to gain trust with the rest of the city?

[Dr. Sak]

Are you saying I'm rich? I'm not. I have enough money to participate on the Underground, but I'm hardly rich because of it. Numerous people have posted on the messageboard already, are they all rich too?

I wasn't saying you exactly but you get pretty defensive. There has just been some activity on there with some big bucks changing hands.

[kingfc22]

Also, I am very worried to what will happen to me tomorrow since I didn't vote today.

[SnDvls]

I just want to say that I am a huge fan of the Underground Msg Board already! Adds a very good element to the game!

guess I should buy a spot on there now

Alan do I get to read past messages on the message board if I join late or just from once I join?

[Tyrith]

That was why I asked. Ntn had strongly suggested he was a detective. I do not feel good about those who a) kept their votes on him and even worse b) those who voted him after that.

Strongly suggested? Where, because I missed it, and no one made an effort to make it obvious.

[SnDvls]

Well that was a shitty day.

SnDlvs - I did not vote for a judge because the last time I was on (last night) there was not enough info to go on. If I had been on today, I would have voted for Anxiety to be judge.

Not sure who I would have voted to lynch since day 1 is always so random.

The one thing that concerns me the most is hoops and his cpu being hacked continously. Why would the mafia do it more than once? If I was a mafia member, would I make this up and make one of my own look like a target to gain trust with the rest of the city?


I wasn't accusing you just trying to find out who was who on the list of 8 that is all

[path12]

well Hoopsguy, iam sure someone will look into who did go into your computer.

my first thought is to trust Blade in this game...and since I do trust him, I also trust Daddy Torgo to some degree.

my comment on Blade is nothing more than a guess. the statement before that wasn't.

After this, which is the hint, ITC and Swaggs voted for ntn, and JE voted for ITC instead of the run toward bsak. Plus those who kept their vote on ntn of course.

This is where we should be looking instead of trying to read something into a secret judge vote.

[kingfc22]

I wasn't accusing you just trying to find out who was who on the list of 8 that is all

I know. I was just giving my explanation rather than just saying "nope".

[st.cronin]

I'll be honest, I totally missed those hints as well. I remember him saying that, but it just didn't mean anything to me.

[Tyrith]

Yeah. Anyone could have said that. I mean, in the context of ntn's usually discussion none of that seemed to be anything too special. And if you're dying I'd think you'd apply a little more force with your hinting if you're that important, IMO.

[Alan T]

guess I should buy a spot on there now

Alan do I get to read past messages on the message board if I join late or just from once I join?

The messageboard is more like a listserv. You only get messages from here on. Not past messages.

[path12]

Yeah. Anyone could have said that. I mean, in the context of ntn's usually discussion none of that seemed to be anything too special. And if you're dying I'd think you'd apply a little more force with your hinting if you're that important, IMO.

Bullshit. It was four posts apart. It's a plenty big hint. If you're a detective you don't come out and put the damn target on your back for the mafia.

[ImTheCrew]

completey off topic but what does the DOLA and OOPTC??? Stand for?

[Blade6119]

Yeah. Anyone could have said that. I mean, in the context of ntn's usually discussion none of that seemed to be anything too special. And if you're dying I'd think you'd apply a little more force with your hinting if you're that important, IMO.

He said it was a fact he was "sure" someone would investigate him...i think your sugarcoating what happened, which included you voting him

[Tyrith]

Well, I know I wasn't the only one that missed it. And it certainly seems like everyone in here missed it until after the fact because no one seemed to actually point it out until after the fact.

[st.cronin]

completey off topic but what does the DOLA and OOPTC??? Stand for?

You should post this in off topic. That way the post will count.

[Blade6119]

Well, I know I wasn't the only one that missed it. And it certainly seems like everyone in here missed it until after the fact because no one seemed to actually point it out until after the fact.

Yes, lets point out the detective to the mafia while he can still might live..we hoped you would take your votes off and he would be safe...im not just pointing the finger at you, but your blowing smoke right now

[Barkeep49]

DOLA has a storied history on the board. It's basically a way of saying "I'm posting two posts in a row." A sort of apology if you will to make the breach of etiquette OK.

[path12]

Well, I know I wasn't the only one that missed it. And it certainly seems like everyone in here missed it until after the fact because no one seemed to actually point it out until after the fact.

You're not the only one. I switched my vote, DaddyTorgo switched his vote. That was it. Then I asked hoo about who had investigated him since I had been sure he would have said something if it had been made clear to him that ntn had been his investigator.

But that's why you and the other ntn voters, especially the late ones are now at the top of my list. There are bad guys in that list, I have no doubt.

[path12]

completey off topic but what does the DOLA and OOPTC??? Stand for?

Dola, I don't think I've ever heard of OOPTC....

[path12]

And just to beat this horse a bit more, there is no way now that Anxiety will get a judge vote from me.

[SnDvls]

You should post this in off topic. That way the post will count.

lol :D

[Tyrith]

Yes, lets point out the detective to the mafia while he can still might live..we hoped you would take your votes off and he would be safe...im not just pointing the finger at you, but your blowing smoke right now

I dunno, cronin said the exact same thing I did, he missed it too. To be honest, I don't take much stock in "hints" like that, it's too easy to read whatever you want into something like that and draw whatever conclusion you feel like.

[ImTheCrew]

Dola, I don't think I've ever heard of OOPTC....
it may be spelled wrong but im thinking something like off topic or on another topic

[Tyrith]

You're not the only one. I switched my vote, DaddyTorgo switched his vote. That was it. Then I asked hoo about who had investigated him since I had been sure he would have said something if it had been made clear to him that ntn had been his investigator.

But that's why you and the other ntn voters, especially the late ones are now at the top of my list. There are bad guys in that list, I have no doubt.

A bad guy, probably. Multiple depends on how many bad guys there are, I'm sure they would be hesitant to be those kind of linkages early on. I dunno, I'll certainly admit it is at least something.

[SnDvls]

completey off topic but what does the DOLA and OOPTC??? Stand for?

do you mean OOTP?

it is a game Out of the Park...a baseball text sim

[Blade6119]

I dunno, cronin said the exact same thing I did, he missed it too. To be honest, I don't take much stock in "hints" like that, it's too easy to read whatever you want into something like that and draw whatever conclusion you feel like.

Cronin also voted for one of the people claiming to be able to clear themselves, and is my top target by a long shot...just saying, you could have picked anyone and made your point better.

I see what your trying to say, and i dont think were going to see eye to eye any time soon

[SnDvls]

dola -

or

OOC:?
which I use for Out of Character for real life stuff

[SnDvls]

damn you blade blocking my dola :)

[path12]

I dunno, cronin said the exact same thing I did, he missed it too. To be honest, I don't take much stock in "hints" like that, it's too easy to read whatever you want into something like that and draw whatever conclusion you feel like.

Here's my point. Day four, yeah I agree with you because there's some info out there and maybe a hint isn't gonna cut it.

But day one, you pay attention to hints like that and give the person giving the hint the benefit of the doubt rather than lynch a good guy with no info.

There's plenty of time to have the story checked out. Err on the side of caution day 1. Otherwise we risk losing someone valuable. Like we just did.

[Tyrith]

Cronin also voted for one of the people claiming to be able to clear themselves, and is my top target by a long shot...just saying, you could have picked anyone and made your point better.

I see what your trying to say, and i dont think were going to see eye to eye any time soon

To be honest, my vote was almost completely the day 1 ntn vote I've been talking about for several weeks. I really just kind of stopped thinking about it, which was probably a mistake, but I didn't feel like causing more stress.

[st.cronin]

Here's my point. Day four, yeah I agree with you because there's some info out there and maybe a hint isn't gonna cut it.

But day one, you pay attention to hints like that and give the person giving the hint the benefit of the doubt rather than lynch a good guy with no info.

There's plenty of time to have the story checked out. Err on the side of caution day 1. Otherwise we risk losing someone valuable. Like we just did.

I was just rereading that portion of the thread, and I thought he was talking about the RULES. I didn't even realize it was a hint.

[Swaggs]

After this, which is the hint, ITC and Swaggs voted for ntn, and JE voted for ITC instead of the run toward bsak. Plus those who kept their vote on ntn of course.

This is where we should be looking instead of trying to read something into a secret judge vote.

With all due respect, I did not pick up on that. I think ntn could have made things a bit more obvious, since his behind was on the line at such a late hour. Obviously, if I would have been able to pick up on that, I would not have voted for him.

[LoneStarGirl]

I think there are more detectives. It would be pretty stupid to only have one in this game full of crime. So we lost one, but it isn't the end of the world.

[LoneStarGirl]

And I voted for anxiety as a judge.... I probably wont vote for him again, but i wont be voting for blade or daddy either. Both of them are too good at being bad.

[Tyrith]

Like I said, i'm pretty sure there are 3 detectives at least, because I have seen detective IDs 2 and 3 so far

[DaddyTorgo]

And I voted for anxiety as a judge.... I probably wont vote for him again, but i wont be voting for blade or daddy either. Both of them are too good at being bad.


awwww thanks LSG

[Tyrith]

How about JE for judge?

[st.cronin]

So the tide has turned against Anxiety for judge. Here are two candidates I would like us to consider:

Hoopsguy and Tyrith: received some throwaway votes, so its probable that the mafia/neutrals DON'T want them as judge.

I would prefer hoopsguy, but I would like to hear from both of them as to whether they would want the position.

[Lathum]

I will need to reread this tomorrow. IO am drunk and just won $4200 in a poker tournament and am chipleader in another.

Sr. Cronin, PM me

[Abe Sargent]

So the tide has turned against Anxiety for judge. Here are two candidates I would like us to consider:

Hoopsguy and Tyrith: received some throwaway votes, so its probable that the mafia/neutrals DON'T want them as judge.

I would prefer hoopsguy, but I would like to hear from both of them as to whether they would want the position.


I'd be fine with hoopsguy for now.

[st.cronin]

I will need to reread this tomorrow. IO am drunk and just won $4200 in a poker tournament and am chipleader in another.

Sr. Cronin, PM me

Oh, I will. I've actually decided to wait til spring break, when I'll have some time.

To the ww players: This is a poker thing, not a game thing.

[Tyrith]

I'd be okay with hoopsguy, but he's dangerous as hell.

[Tyrith]

Furthermore, I wouldn't nominate myself as judge because 1) I voted for ntn, so there is some basis for suspicion and 2) right now I think I'm probably a little too controversial.

[st.cronin]

I'd be okay with hoopsguy, but he's dangerous as hell.

What about you? Is there any reason you wouldn't make a good judge? You don't have to tell us the reason, just curious if there is one.

[LoneStarGirl]

I will need to reread this tomorrow. IO am drunk and just won $4200 in a poker tournament and am chipleader in another.

Sr. Cronin, PM me

how are you still playing online poker? Neteller still has all of GE's money and wont give it back.

[hoopsguy]

I'll put it this way - I'm on my own personal list of people I would like to see in the position, but I'll probably campaign harder against keeping certain elements out of the judge position.

There should be at least two people out there with some kind of information on me. If they perceive me as a threat, they should speak up so we move ahead with another judge, process the info as a group, etc.

Truth be told, with the way I've communicated with some of the folks around here I would be stunned if I could attract a majority of votes. Which is fine with me; if I'm not the judge I'll carve out my destiny here in some other fashion.

Do I get a gavel to bang if elected to office? That would be nice ... and maybe one of those barrister wigs.

[LoneStarGirl]

going to bed....dont type too much between now and 8 am central

[st.cronin]

Great, both my candidates basically said "uh, no."

:(

[hoopsguy]

But for now I'm going to get some sleep.

I agree with most of what path12 has posted in the last hour in terms of reading the situation. I would likely endorse him as a candidate if we are looking at alternate solutions.

Other feelings based on the Day 1 vote:
- DaddyTorgo moved away from NTN after his posts, ended up on Bsak16. Slight positive.
- ImTheCrew voted for Ntndeacon, no reasons provided. Negative.
- Swaggs voted for Ntndeacon to avoid tie, making vote 6-2 at the time. Negative.
- Jonathan Ezarik puts vote on ImTheCrew with 6-4 vote. Baffling and negative.
- path12 listed above. Positive.

[Blade6119]

So the tide has turned against Anxiety for judge. Here are two candidates I would like us to consider:

Hoopsguy and Tyrith: received some throwaway votes, so its probable that the mafia/neutrals DON'T want them as judge.

I would prefer hoopsguy, but I would like to hear from both of them as to whether they would want the position.

My guess? You and tyrith are wolves...you 2, with sndvls, have been my list the whole day...tyrith defended you early, was apart of the ntn vote, and now your nominating him for judge.

I think you just tossed hoops in there to cover that up since hes generally trusted more then most.

But your move in regards to tyrith only adds to my doubt that you are among the good of this city

[hoopsguy]

Great, both my candidates basically said "uh, no."

:(

Not an outright "no" - I'll serve if elected. But I've got my own agenda as well, related into the break-ins to my systems.

I'm going to re-read some Hardy Boys mysteries and try to figure out who had motive and opportunity to come after me. And no, I'm not a professional detective, #3 or otherwise.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

- Jonathan Ezarik puts vote on ImTheCrew with 6-4 vote. Baffling and negative.

My vote is pretty simple to explain. I didn't think ntn was evil, and I didn't think bsak was evil. I also missed the last couple of votes on bsak. When I voted for ITC, I thought bsak only had a couple votes on him. It appeared to me that ntn was running away with it, so I went with the person who voted for ntn without stating a reason for the vote.

[Alan T]

The Big City Herald
7th Edition

Basketball shocker!

All of the "smart" money appeared to be on Kansas St to pull out the win, but an upset was brewing in the Big City Arena tonight. Oklahoma St pulled out the impressive victory 84-70. In other news, bookies all around town were seen jumping off of bridges.

Pawn Shop deals!

Guns for $1750.00, Bullets for $200! Get them while they last, at your local Big City Pawn shop!

Courtroom used for Blackjack tournament

THe Big City chamber of commerce had a controversial blackjack tournament in the Big City Courthouse today, with the main tables being in the central courtroom itself. Many opposed to the tournament pointed to the recent crimewave as a sign that the city is not serious against crime. Others for the tournament responded, "Deal me in!"

[st.cronin]

Not an outright "no" - I'll serve if elected. But I've got my own agenda as well, related into the break-ins to my systems.

I'm going to re-read some Hardy Boys mysteries and try to figure out who had motive and opportunity to come after me. And no, I'm not a professional detective, #3 or otherwise.

My guess? You and tyrith are wolves...you 2, with sndvls, have been my list the whole day...tyrith defended you early, was apart of the ntn vote, and now your nominating him for judge.

I think you just tossed hoops in there to cover that up since hes generally trusted more then most.

But your move in regards to tyrith only adds to my doubt that you are among the good of this city


Ok, well then, partly to gain the trust of Blade, and partly to befuddle Hoopsguy, I am announcing in thread that I am voting for HOOPSGUY as JUDGE. I will send a pm to Alan T immediately.

I encourage all villagers to do likewise, UNLESS SOMEBODY COMES FORWARD WITH A GOOD REASON WHY HE SHOULD NOT BE JUDGE.

[Swaggs]

I am willing to vote for hoopsguy for judge, as well.

[Abe Sargent]

The Big City Herald
7th Edition

Basketball shocker!

All of the "smart" money appeared to be on Kansas St to pull out the win, but an upset was brewing in the Big City Arena tonight. Oklahoma St pulled out the impressive victory 84-70. In other news, bookies all around town were seen jumping off of bridges.

Pawn Shop deals!

Guns for $1750.00, Bullets for $200! Get them while they last, at your local Big City Pawn shop!

Courtroom used for Blackjack tournament

THe Big City chamber of commerce had a controversial blackjack tournament in the Big City Courthouse today, with the main tables being in the central courtroom itself. Many opposed to the tournament pointed to the recent crimewave as a sign that the city is not serious against crime. Others for the tournament responded, "Deal me in!"


Holy Shit! Who has money like that?

[Blade6119]

Holy Shit! Who has money like that?

I have a feeling more people then you think

[Lathum]

not me

[Abe Sargent]

I have a feeling more people then you think

I started out with 500, and I've spent a lot of that already. Geez, to have that much cash would be sweet.

[st.cronin]

I'm reading back through the day, haven't come up with much. I'm actually somewhat suspicious of path for his post-lynch posts. It's all well and good to say after the fact that it was obvious what ntn's role was, but I don't see him making any kind of a stand before deadline.

[Blade6119]

I'm reading back through the day, haven't come up with much. I'm actually somewhat suspicious of path for his post-lynch posts. It's all well and good to say after the fact that it was obvious what ntn's role was, but I don't see him making any kind of a stand before deadline.

lol, path is pretty high up my trust list right now...we just keep seeing polar opposites

[st.cronin]

K State- 20-9
OK State- 19-9

Close matchup in tonights game, OK state has lost 4 in a row including dropping a 2 point heartbreaker on the road to Texas Tech last time out. K State is coming off an impressive win in Colorado and sports impressive road wins including @ Texas, @USC, and @ Nebraska. At first look it appears like 2 teams heading in the wrong direction. Throw in the fact K State needs one win in their last 2 games to clinch a first round bye in the big 12 tournament they will be looking to take care of buisness against a team that looks like they have mailed it in. OK State has owened the matchup lately with an 8-1 record in their last 9, look for KState to change that trend on the road in a big game.

I offer this as a freee service. If you take my advice and win all I ask is you donate what you consider a fair amount.

bzzzzzzzzzzzt

[st.cronin]

lol, path is pretty high up my trust list right now...we just keep seeing polar opposites

Trusting him is first level analysis. He made a good vote. Not trusting him is second level analysis - he was vocal AFTER the deadline, instead of before. I understand the trust for him - my normal mantra in these games is KISS.

I'm not HIGHLY suspicious of him, but he's on the wrong side of zero in my mind.

[path12]

I'm reading back through the day, haven't come up with much. I'm actually somewhat suspicious of path for his post-lynch posts. It's all well and good to say after the fact that it was obvious what ntn's role was, but I don't see him making any kind of a stand before deadline.

I didn't think it was my place to say "Hey, I think ntn's the detective!". But I did pose the question to hoo as a semi-hint and I did change my vote right away for whatever that's worth.

[st.cronin]

I didn't think it was my place to say "Hey, I think ntn's the detective!". But I did pose the question to hoo as a semi-hint and I did change my vote right away for whatever that's worth.

No, but understand my frustration. Quite a few villagers obviously voted for him. So we could have used a little more guidance, either from you or ntndeacon.

[Blade6119]

Trusting him is first level analysis. He made a good vote. Not trusting him is second level analysis - he was vocal AFTER the deadline, instead of before. I understand the trust for him - my normal mantra in these games is KISS.

I'm not HIGHLY suspicious of him, but he's on the wrong side of zero in my mind.

No, second level analysis was seeing ntn hint at being a detective(something path and i did)...first level analysis is what you claimed to do, in not seeing his hints.

Path also took a stance about being agaisnt judges, a villager move to me...wolves would want to seem as normal as possible, and he made a bold move in declaring his views. A first level analysis would be to see him say i dont think we should elect and say hes a big suspect(like you just did). A second level analysis would be to consider that a wolf wouldnt be so stupid(not one as experienced as path at least, i hope) as to put such a target on their back on day one.

Cronin, i see soooooooo many things wrong with your continued survival(yes, even when this is now night 1) that it seriously concerns me that we will lose this game badly and in spectacular fashion.

[kingfc22]

Damn. That gun is expensive.

[st.cronin]

No, second level analysis was seeing ntn hint at being a detective(something path and i did)...first level analysis is what you claimed to do, in not seeing his hints.

Path also took a stance about being agaisnt judges, a villager move to me...wolves would want to seem as normal as possible, and he made a bold move in declaring his views. A first level analysis would be to see him say i dont think we should elect and say hes a big suspect(like you just did). A second level analysis would be to consider that a wolf wouldnt be so stupid(not one as experienced as path at least, i hope) as to put such a target on their back on day one.

Cronin, i see soooooooo many things wrong with your continued survival(yes, even when this is now night 1) that it seriously concerns me that we will lose this game badly and in spectacular fashion.

None of those things that you are talking about are the same thing that I was talking about. If you're going to try and argue with me, at least try and stay on the same topic.

Just out of curiosity, how many villagers has the mafia killed so far? By my count, its zero. Incredible that none of their zero kills has been me yet, I agree.

[Narcizo]

What is that?

I don't really want to say at the moment as it could expose both Anxiety and myself.

[Narcizo]

Narcizo (now there is a name that screams Mobster!), is your slight trust on Anxiety based on his postings in the thread or information from some other area? If it is something from within the thread, I would be interested in seeing it cited.


Sorry for disappearing but I really had to get some sleep last night. I dunno if I could have swayed anyone (and I'm not sure I want to come out to strongly trying to sway people - as I've nothing more than pretty circumstantial information) but fwiw my "information" wasn't inside the thread.

[Narcizo]

A couple of things about the judge vote spring to mind.
1) a fair few people seem to be willing to say that they voted Anxiety for judge after the event. It might have been more helpful if they had done so before the vote. And even more people who would have voted for him if they'd known.
2) Anxiety was close to getting the vote. To my mind this indicates 2 things - Anxiety is bad and the mob were trying to leverage him in, or he's good and they managed to block his nomination.
3) I don't think all that many people announced who they were voting for. I think we should view the judge vote like a lynch vote today. If you don't announce your vote then you're suspicious.

I still have reason to believe Anxiety is clean but we need to get a bandwagon rolling for a judge candidate so we can be sure of getting one. Apparently the fact that we tried to do that one yesterday put people off, I'd ask these people to reconsider today. This isn't like a lynch vote where you know someone is going to buy it. We need a bandwagon to be sure of a result.

I think the fact that hoopsguy was targeted by hackers and reported it to the police means that he probably isn't a member of the mob. I have a hard time seeing a mob member going to the police for help. What if the investigation turns something else up on him? I don't think it puts him in the clear but it certainly makes me more willing to trust him than anyone else, including Anxiety. Once he's in place then we should be looking at trying to seer him (and protect him, naturally) but we need someone in place as judge.

I'm voting for hoopsguy as judge.