Werewolf 40,000: The Horus Heresy CHAOS DEFEATED; MUTANTS SURVIVE

[RealDeal]

Saldana,

You don't get it. The upside in my ability comes from the fact that, if I am verified, then we basically have a very hard time losing the game. I can't be killed by wolves. The idea that the utility in my role comes form the chance that the wovles might waste a turn on me is silly. That is of relatively minor importance.

We're on the 20th or so WW and people still play the game very poorly. The wolves have all the info and the villagers have none. Yet every game, the villagers hide their info and waste too many early game turns. My value is that I am unkillable. That should be known early in the game. If I waited until the middle of the game and suddenly revealed when I was about to get lynched, no one would believe me. That's why I revealed now.

To repeat, I cannot be killed by wolves. The only way I can be killed is if you screw up. That's why I want to get scanned. I'll be here, and everyone knows my story. It can be verified. No one else has supplied the villagers with any useful info yet, except perhaps GE. I can't understand why this is how you would want to respond to that.

[BrianD]

So Bullet and RealDeal have the most votes now with me and Mustang the only other ones with more than one? It looks like my vote is being wasted right now, but I'm not sure where to shift it...

[saldana]

Most of the examples you cite played quietly on Day 1, though. Also, when was the fake reveal on Day 1? That's an idiotic play that I don't think has ever happened.


all the more reason to suspect it, imo.

something blade touched on a few posts up, and that i have been thinking all day...this is far from RD's first game, dont make the mistake of thinking he is a rookie just because some of you havent played with him before...giving up your role like that on day one is something i would excuse from a newer player...realdeal is NOT a newer player...he has been in a number of these and IIRC, has done rather well for himself....why not do it on day 1, when no one would expect it.

[Blade6119]

Most of the examples you cite played quietly on Day 1, though. Also, when was the fake reveal on Day 1? That's an idiotic play that I don't think has ever happened.
Im talking when they were bad, not today. I couldnt shut up when i was bad.

I did a fake role reveal on day one, and im pretty sure it happend a few times before me(especially in the days of peregrine). Its not idiotic, has look whats happened. He has earned trust with a power that cant be tested. Also, if bad and a seer scans him, they gain a dead seer after revealing on him. So either hes trusted, takes a seer with him, or we lynch him today. Seems smart to me.

To be cute, everytime a wolf says he is a good guy/villager its a role reveal. Note carefully he has claimed a role/power that cannot be verified. Its a pretty solid reveal. Only way to discredit it, is to reveal key villager roles who scanned him.

[Greyroofoo]

how are we suppose to verify you w/o drawing out our seer?

[st.cronin]

More and more I think that RealDeal is good, but trying to pull the wool over the bad guys eyes. That makes the most sense to me. I also think he's going to get lynched.

*sigh*

[Fouts]

Good post RD. You are high on my trust list now.

[saldana]

Saldana,

You don't get it. The upside in my ability comes from the fact that, if I am verified, then we basically have a very hard time losing the game. I can't be killed by wolves. The idea that the utility in my role comes form the chance that the wovles might waste a turn on me is silly. That is of relatively minor importance.

We're on the 20th or so WW and people still play the game very poorly. The wolves have all the info and the villagers have none. Yet every game, the villagers hide their info and waste too many early game turns. My value is that I am unkillable. That should be known early in the game. If I waited until the middle of the game and suddenly revealed when I was about to get lynched, no one would believe me. That's why I revealed now.

To repeat, I cannot be killed by wolves. The only way I can be killed is if you screw up. That's why I want to get scanned. I'll be here, and everyone knows my story. It can be verified. No one else has supplied the villagers with any useful info yet, except perhaps GE. I can't understand why this is how you would want to respond to that.


this is an outstanding cover story....did Horus the traitor help you write it?

the reason you cannot be killed by the wolves is because you are one.

[Blade6119]

how are we suppose to verify you w/o drawing out our seer?
Exactly my point...you either trust him blindly or have a seer have to come out and reveal. Either way he benefits. His claim cant be verified by ingame reasons.

Note, the one player we have who can kill bad guys outside of lynch is who they want you to kill...smart

[Blade6119]

More and more I think that RealDeal is good, but trying to pull the wool over the bad guys eyes. That makes the most sense to me. I also think he's going to get lynched.

*sigh*
Highly unlikely...we have to wing 2...1 for a tie, which fouts will break to bullet...hes quite safe, sadly

[st.cronin]

all the more reason to suspect it, imo.

I want you to think about that logic for a minute. A move which INVARIABLY draws lynch attention on days 2 and up, made on day 1 when everybody is dying to find a reason to lynch somebody, anybody ... and a wolf makes that move? I know that in this game sometimes the bad play is the good play, but the insane play? The suicidal play?

[Fouts]

Highly unlikely...we have to wing 2...1 for a tie, which fouts will break to bullet...hes quite safe, sadly

Sorry, I believe in KISS. It makes no sense for a wolf to do this on day 1 with no votes on him.

[Mustang]

Hence why i think you need to vote realdeal..bullet is dying for a bs reason, while the one true suspect is getting off clean

Ya.. I can't disagree there. I don't fully understand the scanning this on the first night. (realdeal, feel free to explain.. probably just 1st day paranoia) I'd imagine that any seer in this game would be a psyker and to use your psychic abilities, one has to draw upon the warp.. (warp=chaos). In the game you can fail in your use of psychic abilities and be killed as demons enter you so, I suppose it is possible that if a Chaos person was scanned, it wouldn't work at the seer could be destroyed or turned..

Now.. granted, I'm taking alot of liberties here from my knowledge of 40k and translating theory to this game...

Probably just overthinking it myself... still...

Unvote Kingfc22
Vote Realdeal

[saldana]

how are we suppose to verify you w/o drawing out our seer?
we cant...thats why it is a solid move for a wolf, but a poor one for a villager.


if i had gotten the role he is claiming, i would be trying to draw the wolves to me, not chasing them away....drop hints that you are the seer, make them try to eat me and fail...thats what a blessed should do...not tell them 5 minutes into the game not to waste their turn trying.

[st.cronin]

Sorry, I believe in KISS. It makes no sense for a wolf to do this on day 1 with no votes on him.

You are thinking exactly the way I am.

I will say this: When RealDeal comes up clean, look for wolves amongst those who voted for somebody else. The wolves are just going to let you guys lynch him.

[Greyroofoo]

Unvote BrianD
Vote realdeal

We have other primarchs if realdeal sacrafices his soul for the emporer.
Its much better to keep bulletsponge down the road based on role alone.

[RealDeal]

I have to do this for self-preservation. The first turn of the game a guy says he can't be killed by wolves. You could kill me anytime and yet a bunch of you want to vote to kill the guy who claims to be unkillable by wolves? Even if you thought I might be a wolf, it's an idiotic play.

Honestly, I can't believe you guys. Except for Blade, of course, I can believe it from him.

unvote Mustang
vote Bullet

[st.cronin]

Even if you thought I might be a wolf, it's an idiotic play.

/agree

[Mustang]

That's why I want to get scanned. I'll be here, and everyone knows my story. It can be verified. No one else has supplied the villagers with any useful info yet, except perhaps GE. I can't understand why this is how you would want to respond to that.

I don't understand what scanning will accomplish? Then the seer has to reveal that he has scanned you which makes him public enemy #1 to the forces of Chaos..

Unless I'm missing something.. :confused:

[Blade6119]

Except for Blade, of course, I can believe it from him
.....i dont need to be provoked, so dont. Cut out the personal attacks now....

[RealDeal]

Let me repeat, even if you think I am a wolf, if you are a villager, why on earth would you kill the guy who claims his ability is that he can't be killed by wolves on the first turn of the game????

[tanglewood]

Current Day 1 Vote Count

bulletsponge 5 - AlanT, Fouts, Swaggs, SirFozzie, RealDeal
RealDeal 4 - saldana, path12, Blade, Greyroofoo
Anxiety 1 - twothree, st.cronin
Mustang 1 - kingfc22
kingfc22 1 - Mustang
Swaggs 1 - Chief Rum
Chief Rum 1 - bulletsponge
Greyroofoo 1 - BrianD

Yet To Vote: GoldenEagle, Anxiety

19 minutes to deadline.

[Blade6119]

Let me repeat, even if you think I am a wolf, if you are a villager, why on earth would you kill the guy who claims his ability is that he can't be killed by wolves on the first turn of the game????
Over a guy who can actually KILL wolves...even if your both honest, his power is far more useful in the search for victory. You are just a nice # in the ratio.

Your role had power, until you revealed. If true, your useless...if bad, your useless.

[Fouts]

Somebody made a post last game or the game before that people want to be the hero sniffing out the bluff. Even when they are dead wrong.

[Greyroofoo]

Let me repeat, even if you think I am a wolf, if you are a villager, why on earth would you kill the guy who claims his ability is that he can't be killed by wolves on the first turn of the game????

because why should we believe anything a wolf says?

[st.cronin]

Over a guy who can actually KILL wolves...even if your both honest, his power is far more useful in the search for victory. You are just a nice # in the ratio.

Your role had power, until you revealed. If true, your useless...if bad, your useless.

You don't actually know what bullet's role IN THE GAME is. (title <=> role) And even if you are comfortable assuming that you know his role, there is no shortage of equally appealing candidates.

[saldana]

Let me repeat, even if you think I am a wolf, if you are a villager, why on earth would you kill the guy who claims his ability is that he can't be killed by wolves on the first turn of the game????

honestly, i dont trust anyone that calls out the seer on the first day of the game, which is essentially what you are doing with your "reveal"

[Greyroofoo]

Current Day 1 Vote Count

bulletsponge 5 - AlanT, Fouts, Swaggs, SirFozzie, RealDeal
RealDeal 4 - saldana, path12, Blade, Greyroofoo
Anxiety 1 - twothree, st.cronin
Mustang 1 - kingfc22
kingfc22 1 - Mustang
Swaggs 1 - Chief Rum
Chief Rum 1 - bulletsponge
Greyroofoo 1 - BrianD

Yet To Vote: GoldenEagle, Anxiety

19 minutes to deadline.

Clarification: Does Anxiety have 1 or 2 votes?

[tanglewood]

Correction a vote switch was unnoted.

Current Day 1 Vote Count

bulletsponge 5 - AlanT, Fouts, Swaggs, SirFozzie, RealDeal
RealDeal 5 - saldana, path12, Blade, Greyroofoo, Mustang
Anxiety 2 - twothree, st.cronin
Mustang 1 - kingfc22
Swaggs 1 - Chief Rum
Chief Rum 1 - bulletsponge
Greyroofoo 1 - BrianD

Yet To Vote: GoldenEagle, Anxiety

17 minutes to deadline.

[Blade6119]

Somebody made a post last game or the game before that people want to be the hero sniffing out the bluff. Even when they are dead wrong.
And no one wants the be the guy that blindly followed the bluff, looking like a fool as they kill of the useful roles(or last game our only public COT, one by one).

[GoldenEagle]

<b>VOTE ALAN T</B>

[saldana]

Somebody made a post last game or the game before that people want to be the hero sniffing out the bluff. Even when they are dead wrong.

i hardly want to be the hero Fouts, i just dont buy this whole routine...and i also find it rather BS like that all day long, realdeal had nothing to say, but when a few votes started falling his way, he suddenly is posting every other line. all of this smells to me.

[Greyroofoo]

You have Anxiety listed as having 1 vote, but you have two names......

[Blade6119]

You don't actually know what bullet's role IN THE GAME is. (title <=> role) And even if you are comfortable assuming that you know his role, there is no shortage of equally appealing candidates.
Bullet, PROB. our assasin, is getting killed for acting totally different then last game when he was a wolf(when he was quiet, non-confrontational). Realdeal, who you are too new to remember(which is saying something, as you have been around for awhile) makes a move thats within what i consider his wolf profile, and im an idiot.

If you want to go to a third party canidate, fine. But i see no reason anyone is a better suspect then realdeal right now.

[saldana]

well goldeneagle, that was certainly not helpful to any cause

[Blade6119]

<b>VOTE ALAN T</B>
Well thats odd..GE, you smell Alan? Why him over real or bullet?

[Mustang]

well goldeneagle, that was certainly not helpful to any cause

I was thinking that too...

[Abe Sargent]

SO hard to choose who to vote for

[st.cronin]

Bullet, PROB. our assasin, is getting killed for acting totally different then last game when he was a wolf(when he was quiet, non-confrontational). Realdeal, who you are too new to remember(which is saying something, as you have been around for awhile) makes a move thats within what i consider his wolf profile, and im an idiot.

If you want to go to a third party canidate, fine. But i see no reason anyone is a better suspect then realdeal right now.

There is no evidence outside your imagination that bullet has an "assasin" role in this game.

[saldana]

I will say this: When RealDeal comes up clean, look for wolves amongst those who voted for somebody else. The wolves are just going to let you guys lynch him.


cronin, if RD comes up clean, this will probably prove to be the most intelligent post of the day

[Blade6119]

There is no evidence outside your imagination that bullet has an "assasin" role in this game.
He has claimed it himself

[Blade6119]

why would the Assassins leader be a badie, that would make the wolves way to powerful, capable of many kills everynight. dont lynch me, you will regret not having my sweet assassins around when we get several badie suspect around
For st. cronin, who believes this is not evidence yet realdeal's claims must be fact

[BrianD]

Unvote Greyroofoo
Vote RealDeal

I hope you guys are right.

[Abe Sargent]

I am very much with Fouts, except for his suspicion of bullet. I don't think he's that suspicious.

UNVOTE BRIAND

VOTE ANXIETY

Gut + logic


Gut on Day One when I am away most of the day with heavy Staff training + date night? Logic in teh same situation?

That's silly. At least twothree had the balls to say that voting for me was a random vote.

Vote St. Cronin

[Greyroofoo]

"The Grand Master of the Officio Assassinorum" to me SCREAMS assassin

[saldana]

Gut on Day One when I am away most of the day with heavy Staff training + date night? Logic in teh same situation?

That's silly. At least twothree had the balls to say that voting for me was a random vote.

Vote St. Cronin
again, with what is on the table, this is not helpful :confused:

[st.cronin]

For st. cronin, who believes this is not evidence yet realdeal's claims must be fact

I thought bullet later retracted that claim?

[Blade6119]

Unvote Greyroofoo
Vote RealDeal

I hope you guys are right.
I rather hope so too. I think he is the best risk/reward pick we can make. His role was now useless if good, and if bad we have a line to follow

[Blade6119]

again, with what is on the table, this is not helpful :confused:
BrianD put real in the lead, so anxiety, despite not knowing it at the time, made a vote of little relevance.

[GoldenEagle]

<b>Unvote Alan T</b>

<b>Vote BrianD</b>

[Fouts]

I rather hope so too. I think he is the best risk/reward pick we can make. His role was now useless if good, and if bad we have a line to follow

Don't forget. If good, we have a line to follow.

[tanglewood]

Current Day 1 Vote Count

RealDeal 6 - saldana, path12, Blade, Greyroofoo, Mustang, RealDeal
bulletsponge 5 - AlanT, Fouts, Swaggs, SirFozzie, RealDeal
Anxiety 2 - twothree, st.cronin
Mustang 1 - kingfc22
Swaggs 1 - Chief Rum
st.cronin 1 - Anxiety
Chief Rum 1 - bulletsponge
BrianD 1 - GoldenEagle

[Abe Sargent]

again, with what is on the table, this is not helpful :confused:


I just got back and am working my way through posts, but I started with searching for who voted for me, since I saw a post about me in page 4 I think.

[Blade6119]

<b>Unvote Alan T</b>

<b>Vote BrianD</b>
The hell are you doing GE? If you smell him, tell us...otherwise your just acting odd

[saldana]

i am honestly perplexed by GE and Anxiety making throw away votes in the middle of a runoff....cronin and fouts, i have much less of a problem with their Bullet votes, they are at least "in" the argument, but to show up and have the ability to choose a side and consciously decide not to is not helping the imperium.

[Blade6119]

Don't forget. If good, we have a line to follow.
Quite true, you can lynch me. Wont be the first time i have died early. Ill fight it though, knowing im good. But i am fully ready to accept what happens if im wrong

[BrianD]

I'm guessing they don't want to be associated with a lynching if we don't get a bad guy.

[st.cronin]

i am honestly perplexed by GE and Anxiety making throw away votes in the middle of a runoff....cronin and fouts, i have much less of a problem with their Bullet votes, they are at least "in" the argument, but to show up and have the ability to choose a side and consciously decide not to is not helping the imperium.

My vote is for Anxiety. I don't think either of the top two is a wolf.

[saldana]

I just got back and am working my way through posts, but I started with searching for who voted for me, since I saw a post about me in page 4 I think.

honestly, i have no problem believing you here...if you keep reading, i bet 10 bucks you wouldnt make the vote because you would be otherwise occupied since its tuesday;)

[Blade6119]

dola, ive died for far less incriminating and relevant reasons...wouldnt bother me one bit

[Abe Sargent]

Am at Page 6 - You guys voted yourselves into a Day One tie? Geez. I don't know what's happened since, but

Unvote St. Cronin with the bad logic, gut - watch out for this later.

Roll with Blade and Vote RealDeal

[Abe Sargent]

Just in case a tie voter is needed

[Fouts]

Looks like its sealed. I will be more than shocked if he is bad. That would be just a nutty move.

[Blade6119]

Just in case a tie voter is needed
brian broke it, but your vote is appreciated anxiety. Thanks for trying to hurry

[saldana]

Don't forget. If good, we have a line to follow.


a risk i know i am taking, but a necessary one, imo

[tanglewood]

Voting Closed.

[GoldenEagle]

<b>Unvote BrianD</b>

<b>Vote bulletsponge</b>

[Greyroofoo]

post 302 has realdeal voting for himself...

[GoldenEagle]

Sorry guys, I got the B's mixed up.

[Fouts]

i am honestly perplexed by GE and Anxiety making throw away votes in the middle of a runoff....cronin and fouts, i have much less of a problem with their Bullet votes, they are at least "in" the argument, but to show up and have the ability to choose a side and consciously decide not to is not helping the imperium.

A bit early to be shifting the blame of a villager lynching. Lets wait and see what you've done first. Then you can start backpedaling.

[Mustang]

Granted, this late day voting oddness is going to be noted tomorrow regardless of what happens today.

[saldana]

My vote is for Anxiety. I don't think either of the top two is a wolf.
sorry, my mistake, i actually just assumed you were on bullet as opposed to just trying to get us off realdeal

[BrianD]

brian broke it, but your vote is appreciated anxiety. Thanks for trying to hurry

Great, if we are wrong, I'm going to get blamed. :(

[Mustang]

post 302 has realdeal voting for himself...

Been there.. done that. :p :D

[Blade6119]

Sorry guys, I got the B's mixed up.
With anxietys vote it doesnt matter...still wondering what you were doing near the lynch. You smell bullet, or just gut?

[saldana]

A bit early to be shifting the blame of a villager lynching. Lets wait and see what you've done first. Then you can start backpedaling.

not trying to shift anything...i fully expect to be a focal point tomorrow if i am wrong.

[tanglewood]

FINAL Day 1 Vote Count

RealDeal 7 - saldana, path12, Blade, Greyroofoo, Mustang, BrianD, Anxiety
bulletsponge 5 - AlanT, Fouts, Swaggs, SirFozzie, RealDeal
Anxiety 2 - twothree, st.cronin
Mustang 1 - kingfc22
Swaggs 1 - Chief Rum
Chief Rum 1 - bulletsponge
BrianD 1 - GoldenEagle

Write up imminent

[Blade6119]

Great, if we are wrong, I'm going to get blamed. :(
No you wont, myself mostly, and to some extent saldana will take the heat. Thats almost a certainty, but always the case with our play styles

[saldana]

this was a great day one all. its not usually this much fun on the first day, imo.

[Blade6119]

this was a great day one all. its not usually this much fun on the first day, imo.
Agreed...wrong or right, it should be a great start to a game considering all the intrigue and controversy.

[saldana]

tangle, your vote count should read:

saldana, path12, Blade, Greyroofoo, Mustang, BrianD, Anxiety

[Abe Sargent]

"The Grand Master of the Officio Assassinorum" to me SCREAMS assassin


And although I mgiht agree with you on that, can you assume that with everybody? I certainly don't.

[Mustang]

not trying to shift anything...i fully expect to be a focal point tomorrow if i am wrong.

Not sure why.. realdeal never answered the one question I (and I even think you) asked. What good would the seer scanning him do? We would have to know about it, which would reveal the seer so..

I think it was a valid question.. one that I didn't see any answer to.

[Abe Sargent]

post 302 has realdeal voting for himself...



Where? In my post 302 its a tanglewood post.

[Blade6119]

And although I mgiht agree with you on that, can you assume that with everybody? I certainly don't.
No, but after reading more in-depth about every title at the site i linked earlier i have a good idea. I think this game is pretty close to public roles, where much like Harry Potter background knowledge helps tremendously in figuring it all out

[Blade6119]

Where? In my post 302 its a tanglewood post.
A tangle vote post...look at whos voting real deal....its real deal

[saldana]

Not sure why.. realdeal never answered the one question I (and I even think you) asked. What good would the seer scanning him do? We would have to know about it, which would reveal the seer so..

I think it was a valid question.. one that I didn't see any answer to.


he never did, which is why i didnt waver on my vote for him...he eluded the question the entire day.

[Abe Sargent]

In which post does RealDeal vote RealDeal, or is it a typo?

[Greyroofoo]

A tangle vote post...look at whos voting real deal....its real deal

mistake by tanglewood? Or secret power?

[tanglewood]

Apologies for the mistake regarding RealDeal. When BrianD switched his vote to RealDeal, I mistakenly added RealDeal's own name to his vote list, instead of BrianD. The votes were tabulated correctly and the final vote count has been edited with the correct information.

[Blade6119]

In which post does RealDeal vote RealDeal, or is it a typo?
typo

[saldana]

In which post does RealDeal vote RealDeal, or is it a typo?

its a typo in the vote count...it should be briand voting for realdeal

[Blade6119]

GAHHH...i really need to leave but want to see the results first

[RealDeal]

I can't believe how stupid this was. So fucking stupid. Anyway, now you have your list of wolves. My opinion is that grey and mustang are your first targets. Also, I think the way the bandwagon started against me that bullet is a very obvious target.

I actually think saldana is OK, misguided, but OK. He was in so early that I don't think he's a wolf. I think Blade is just being Blade. I hope he's a wolf, because then his play would be smart. But from my previous experience with him, you never know.

Anyway, nice guy job guys. You had a guy on your team that was invulnerable to wolf attacks, TOLD YOU SO, and you ever so fucking brilliantly lynched him ON THE FIRST TURN OF THE GAME!!!

[RealDeal]

Dola Brian D. too. High on my wolf list.

[Fouts]

I get frustrated when people make bad choices, too, but what can you do? People like to go for the longshot with the big payoff.

[Blade6119]

I get frustrated when people make bad choices, too, but what can you do? People like to go for the longshot with the big payoff.
If hes good, which i guess is probable with his *friendly* post, ill admit i was wrong. I would like you to explain how tangle was the better choice, as i literally saw not 1 piece of evidence presented against him all day. For day one, i think we made the right choice. He would have always been a suspect to us, and was the best choice still if you ask me. But i would like to know how fouts thinks tangle was a good choice.

[tanglewood]

The day immediatley after the discovery of a Chaos presence in your midst became a frantic swirl of accusations and airing of suspicion. Finally the conucil members seemed to have settled on two candidates, RealDeal who had claimed to be invulnerable to the Chaos at night and bulletsponge, who's sinister title placed fear into the hearts of others almost as much as his questionable iconography caused irritance. Eventually, after much late switching of sides it became clear that those who favoured the execution of RealDeal held sway in the council. RealDeal protested that it was in everyone's interest that he declared his power openly, but the others chastised him alternatley calling him foolish or worse, a traitor to the Emperor.

After a short verbal struggle, Fouts read out the chilling words. "The High Lords of Terra have hereby senteced you, RealDeal to exectution on suspicion of conspring against the Emperor. You will be executed summarily. What are your last words, recreant?" RealDeal bowed his head, uttered a short prayer to the Emperor before kneeling, placing his head on the block. "I merely wish to be remembered for my always true to srvice to the Emperor. I have served him faithfully in my life, and hope that you will all acknowledge as I serve him in death." And with that, the gruesome execution wielded his power axe, neatly splicing RealDeal's head from body, the energy blade instantaneously searing the wound shut.

Minions of the council rushed forward and grasped a chunk of the corpse, handing it nervously to first GoldenEagle, then SirFozzie. After a brief exaination followed by a shake of the head from the former, SirFozzie cut a section of the flesh and inserted a small electronic device before announcing that his genome structure was incredibly complex and advanced, but none more so than any other Space Marine he had previously analysed.

The hall fell silent. Today a valiant warrior for the Emperor had fallen not in battle, but at the hands of pencil pushers and empty symbols. Hopefully his death will not be in vain.

Night 1 has begun. All night actions due to me by 9AM EST. The night will not be processed before the deadline.

[RealDeal]

What frustrates me is that even if you thought I was a wolf, why kill a guy who claims to be so valuable to the good guys on THE FIRST FUCKING TURN OF THE GAME??? You have the whole game to kill me. I tell you that the only way I can die is if the villagers screw up, and so they screw up the first chance they get.

[saldana]

I get frustrated when people make bad choices, too, but what can you do? People like to go for the longshot with the big payoff.
what was the better option fouts, the blind shot in the dark?

there was a logical argument for voting for realdeal, and he didnt help his own cause in the least bit by ignoring/evading questions all day.

what was your logical argument for bulletsponge?

[BrianD]

Dola Brian D. too. High on my wolf list.

If we are wrong, I'll apologise. Actually I probably won't, but I'll feel badly that we made the mistake. I think you might have been better served to try to draw the Chaos attack on yourself and prove your role that way...

[Abe Sargent]

tangle was a good choice? Confused.

[tanglewood]

For some reason, the annoncement has materialised itself on the previous page.

[saldana]

tangle was a good choice? Confused.
he meant bulletsponge

[Fouts]

what was the better option fouts, the blind shot in the dark?

there was a logical argument for voting for realdeal, and he didnt help his own cause in the least bit by ignoring/evading questions all day.

what was your logical argument for bulletsponge?

The move by realdeal would only be made by a villager. In that case, anyone else is a better choice.

[Blade6119]

What frustrates me is that even if you thought I was a wolf, why kill a guy who claims to be so valuable to the good guys on THE FIRST FUCKING TURN OF THE GAME??? You have the whole game to kill me. I tell you that the only way I can die is if the villagers screw up, and so they screw up the first chance they get.
A guy who can assasinate wolves is not valuable? He claimed that on day one. You both claimed something, his was verifiable and likely, yours was not. What better option did we have? I know your mad, and you will prob. attack me personally again, but i didnt not see a SINGLE piece of evidence presented against any candiate but you. Your asking me to ignore all that, and kill a guy who is more valuable role wise then you, which didnt make sene to me. Hence my vote

[Abe Sargent]

We have more post stamp problems with hte board? Damn

[st.cronin]

Here's a hint, guys: The bad guys are going to make it HARD to find them, not EASY.

/slams head against his desk

[RealDeal]

Now that I'm dead, I'll shut up. BUt one last meta-pot to Saldana. I posted about six times in response to your accusations. I didn't feel like I need to post ten more times all through the day saying the same thing over and over. At the time, I honestly couldn't believe that anyone else would be dumb enough to vote for me, so I wasn't worried.

Anyway, I'm dead, so no more from me. It's hard for me to say this after such a big fuck-up, but Go Good Guys!

[bulletsponge]

damn i forgot about the vote and just came back. i see poor ol realdeal is the poor soul to get the axe. im betting hes good because we only kill good guys with the first vote. i can say i am with the good guys, im not mutant or the other bad guys whos name escapes me.

and for clarity, my role can assassinate some fools. since im a good guy i will target the badies, but wont execute my powers unless i have a good idea of whom to target. i cant wiley niley attack fools, because i have rules i have to follow and if i screw up it would be bad for us

[tanglewood]

After the intial shock has died down, path12 strides up to st.cronin and whispers in his ear. He nods and then path announces to the council that st.cronin will be spending the night in a high security cell.

[Greyroofoo]

dola, realdeal was the only one I had reason to vote for and as I've said before, there ARE other primarchs. Thus, making him expendable.

[BrianD]

A guy who can assasinate wolves is not valuable? He claimed that on day one. You both claimed something, his was verifiable and likely, yours was not. What better option did we have? I know your mad, and you will prob. attack me personally again, but i didnt not see a SINGLE piece of evidence presented against any candiate but you. Your asking me to ignore all that, and kill a guy who is more valuable role wise then you, which didnt make sene to me. Hence my vote

On day one, there is never any evidence against anyone. Everybody looks for anything they can call evidence, but it is really just a random guess. More often than not, we screw up, and it always sucks for the first to go. :(

[bulletsponge]

and yall know what pisses me off? i have to power to assassinate but the person i want to kill the most isnt playing this game! Damn you Chubby! you escape me again!

[saldana]

The move by realdeal would only be made by a villager. In that case, anyone else is a better choice.

i guess this is where we disagree....i thought it could have been a brilliant move by a wolf, which would have carried him very far if not all the way through the game.

the only defense RD offered was that the wolves couldnt win if they couldnt kill him because they would never get to 1:1 ratio....that was totally false...how may games have we been in where there have been 3 or 4 players left at the end, and the only person left standing at the end was the last wolf....he wasted his ability, as i have stated already....imo, he should have been trying to draw the wolves to him at night, thus protecting the people that were not safe.

[st.cronin]

lol

So, uh ... what does that mean?

[Blade6119]

lol

So, uh ... what does that mean?
It means your safe from attack tonight, and also barred from going out and attacking. Either way its good for the villagers. Interesting he didnt put 2 in, but i suppose he had his own agenda this meets.

[GoldenEagle]

Sigh...

I said RealDeal was not chaos.

[Blade6119]

Sigh...

I said RealDeal was not chaos.
Did you know for sure with your role? If so, trumpet it...i saw you say nothing official today other then you smelled a chaos. Where did you say this?

[GoldenEagle]

By the way, just to clear any air....

<b>Unvote bulletsponge</b>

[st.cronin]

i guess this is where we disagree....i thought it could have been a brilliant move by a wolf, which would have carried him very far if not all the way through the game.

the only defense RD offered was that the wolves couldnt win if they couldnt kill him because they would never get to 1:1 ratio....that was totally false...how may games have we been in where there have been 3 or 4 players left at the end, and the only person left standing at the end was the last wolf....he wasted his ability, as i have stated already....imo, he should have been trying to draw the wolves to him at night, thus protecting the people that were not safe.

I don't remember him making that specific defense. Either way, I agree that it was a dumb play on his part, but strongly disagree that lynching him was a good play. It was incredibly obvious to me that he was clean.

[saldana]

It means your safe from attack tonight, and also barred from going out and attacking. Either way its good for the villagers. Interesting he didnt put 2 in, but i suppose he had his own agenda this meets.


am i missing something, where does it say he can put 2 in?

[Blade6119]

I don't remember him making that specific defense. Either way, I agree that it was a dumb play on his part, but strongly disagree that lynching him was a good play. It was incredibly obvious to me that he was clean.
Then i cant wait to be a wolf with you a villager...i think one game i pulled like 4 role reveals out my ass in a row, and people assumed it was soo outlandish and crazy i had to be clean...good ole reporters assistant lol. Just becuase something is crazy, dont disregard it...especially from someone of realdeals experience

[Greyroofoo]

i believe cronin himself said it. However the wolf can still kill the other person in the cell.

[GoldenEagle]

I don't remember him making that specific defense. Either way, I agree that it was a dumb play on his part, but strongly disagree that lynching him was a good play. It was incredibly obvious to me that he was clean.

That is correct. I just had a very strong gut feeling that Real Deal was not chaos. I have no special powers and never declared him to be anything. I made a defense in his corner and it turned out he was one of us. That is all there is.

[Greyroofoo]

dola
I mean path not cronin

[Blade6119]

am i missing something, where does it say he can put 2 in?
2 posts he made in a row
I am here to faithfully serve the Emperor.

Let's kick the discussion off. Who needs protecting most? I have a two person high security cell for use at night.

Offhand I believe st cronin is the only one who knows the entire procedure for keeping the Emperor alive and it seems to me would be a prime candidate for security. I have to go through the roles again but want to get anybody elses thoughts about protection and who most needs it.

One caveat upon rereading the role. It may be the case that the two in the cell can interact with each other, so obviously caution will be needed. Do we know if mutants can convert? If not, then we would only have to worry about putting Chaos in the cell with non-Chaos.

[saldana]

I don't remember him making that specific defense. Either way, I agree that it was a dumb play on his part, but strongly disagree that lynching him was a good play. It was incredibly obvious to me that he was clean.


The upside in my ability comes from the fact that, if I am verified, then we basically have a very hard time losing the game.

this was the only justification he gave for why his reveal was such a brilliant move

[st.cronin]

Then i cant wait to be a wolf with you a villager...i think one game i pulled like 4 role reveals out my ass in a row, and people assumed it was soo outlandish and crazy i had to be clean...good ole reporters assistant lol. Just becuase something is crazy, dont disregard it...especially from someone of realdeals experience

You won't have the sack to pull a move like that on day 1 as a bad guy. And even if you did, you'd get lynched anyway.

[saldana]

Then i cant wait to be a wolf with you a villager...i think one game i pulled like 4 role reveals out my ass in a row, and people assumed it was soo outlandish and crazy i had to be clean...good ole reporters assistant lol. Just becuase something is crazy, dont disregard it...especially from someone of realdeals experience

how much bullshit did you spew in the Lost game when you were the black fog....

[Blade6119]

You won't have the sack to pull a move like that on day 1 as a bad guy. And even if you did, you'd get lynched anyway.
I won that game and i was bad...im just saying, dont throw things like that out. Dubb's reveal where it ended up killing 3 villagers was soo ballsy we all kinda just said ok...im just saying, if you dont buy crazy plots, then i pray im a wolf next game

[Blade6119]

how much bullshit did you spew in the Lost game when you were the black fog....
Quite a bit, but to be fair i really did do everything in my power to help the villagers, including giving you 3-4 of the 5 bad guys if im not mistaken. I didnt have to, as my victory conditions did not lie with the villagers. I just chose to try and have fun.

[bulletsponge]

By the way, just to clear any air....

<b>Unvote bulletsponge</b>


i thought you might say that. your earlier vote for someone off the radar was very suspicious. your on my short list of suspect chaos as of now, and im one of the last peeps in this game you want eyeballing you.

[st.cronin]

I won that game and i was bad...im just saying, dont throw things like that out. Dubb's reveal where it ended up killing 3 villagers was soo ballsy we all kinda just said ok...im just saying, if you dont buy crazy plots, then i pray im a wolf next game

I do buy crazy. What I don't buy is stupid. And that would have been a stupid play for a wolf. As I said, there was zero doubt that he was going to get lynched.

[Blade6119]

I do buy crazy. What I don't buy is stupid. And that would have been a stupid play for a wolf. As I said, there was zero doubt that he was going to get lynched.
Same thing could be said for Dubb's reveal...he just managed to delay it long enough to basically win the game for the bad guys....

[BrianD]

i thought you might say that. your earlier vote for someone off the radar was very suspicious. your on my short list of suspect chaos as of now, and im one of the last peeps in this game you want eyeballing you.

You may want to think about that a bit more...

[st.cronin]

Same thing could be said for Dubb's reveal...he just managed to delay it long enough to basically win the game for the bad guys....

Endgame is a totally different situation. Day 1, no wolf will pull a move like that, because despite everything me and Fouts said, they're absolutely going to get lynched.

[bulletsponge]

You may want to think about that a bit more...

thinkin aint my style

[Greyroofoo]

Day 1, no wolf will pull a move like that, because despite everything me and Fouts said, they're absolutely going to get lynched.

Why would a villager pull the same move if they're absolutely going to get lynched?

[st.cronin]

Why would a villager pull the same move if they're absolutely going to get lynched?

Because villagers don't have anybody to talk them out of committing suicide.

[Abe Sargent]

Nice st cronin

[Mustang]

Even though obviously wrong, I still stand by my vote. There were questions on what would have been gained by the seer outing you that were never answered and, if they were answered, no one reiterated the answer.. Unfortunately, odd occurences like this usually get you killed on the first day.

[Swaggs]

Looks like it was a good first day. I had like 6 new pages to read when I got home. Good to see that kind of activity--sorry I missed out on most of it taking place. :(

I'm not sure that we'll be able to really identify much from these votes on the first day, since Real Deal did make a very curious play to open things up.

[Alan T]

Dunno if we'll learn anything at all from day 1. 9 times out of 10 the person we lynch is good, and 4 times out of 5, both of the candidates are good too. And that also usually means most of the wolves can sit back and watch everyone get suspicious over each other fighting over two different good guys.

Then day 3 comes along and we have all these suspicions built up over 2 good guys that proceeds to lead us down the road of 3-4 more bad choices that once again mislead us.

[twothree]

Yeah, that was a really interesting read for me as well when I got home. Especially the last hour or two before the vote tally. I was actually surprised that RealDeal ended up getting executed.

[Alan T]

So some things that made me curious about today..

I wasnt suprised we killed a good guy, we usually do on day 1. I am suprised at how so many people just -knew- he was good or -knew- he was bad. I had no clue one way or another, and just figured it was not worth the risk vs the reward to lynch him on a hunch just yet. If you suspect him as a wolf, let him live a bit and see who he allies up with. Just don't do the wolves work for them.

On the other hand, it was a little amazing to me a few people just -knew- he was good too. I don't know how folks know this stuff on day 1 when we just have hunches to go on...


The other thing that made me curious was what were you doing during all of that Goldeneagle? You threw out three random votes without any explanation during it all. Im puzzled why you picked me when I was perhaps the only one with a logical reason to have a vote on Bulletsponge. My vote was because he very clearly said last game that he wanted to play the next time he was a wolf by trying to be out and open it some and see if he could just hide in plain sight. He started off this game that way, I called him on it and he did not deny it or stop. So I voted for him. Not a great reason on day 3 or 4, but for day 1, thats good enough to fly.

Chances are Bulletsponge was a good guy to and we had all this fuss over nothing, I'm just intrigued by some people's actions today.

[Blade6119]

So some things that made me curious about today..

I wasnt suprised we killed a good guy, we usually do on day 1. I am suprised at how so many people just -knew- he was good or -knew- he was bad. I had no clue one way or another, and just figured it was not worth the risk vs the reward to lynch him on a hunch just yet. If you suspect him as a wolf, let him live a bit and see who he allies up with. Just don't do the wolves work for them.

On the other hand, it was a little amazing to me a few people just -knew- he was good too. I don't know how folks know this stuff on day 1 when we just have hunches to go on...


The other thing that made me curious was what were you doing during all of that Goldeneagle? You threw out three random votes without any explanation during it all. Im puzzled why you picked me when I was perhaps the only one with a logical reason to have a vote on Bulletsponge. My vote was because he very clearly said last game that he wanted to play the next time he was a wolf by trying to be out and open it some and see if he could just hide in plain sight. He started off this game that way, I called him on it and he did not deny it or stop. So I voted for him. Not a great reason on day 3 or 4, but for day 1, thats good enough to fly.

Chances are Bulletsponge was a good guy to and we had all this fuss over nothing, I'm just intrigued by some people's actions today.

Even me??? :p

[bulletsponge]

I wasnt suprised we killed a good guy, we usually do on day 1. I am suprised at how so many people just -knew- he was good or -knew- he was bad. I had no clue one way or another, and just figured it was not worth the risk vs the reward to lynch him on a hunch just yet. If you suspect him as a wolf, let him live a bit and see who he allies up with. Just don't do the wolves work for them

they didnt know, they were talking sh*t

The other thing that made me curious was what were you doing during all of that Goldeneagle
he did act strange. im keeping my eye on him

Chances are Bulletsponge was a good guy to and we had all this fuss over nothing, I'm just intrigued by some people's actions today.
i am a good guy. this is the price i pay for being a wolf last game and winning, peeps dont trust me now with assassins at my disposal

[Mustang]

peeps dont trust me now with assassins at my disposal

Ya.. hard to wonder why... :rolleyes: :D

[path12]

am i missing something, where does it say he can put 2 in?

I can put two in. I wanted to protect who I could while also allowing those with good night actions to be able to take them. Also, we don't know enough about anybody yet and with two in a cell one could act upon the other.

[kingfc22]

Geez, what a nightmare of a start. Not to sure what to think of bullet. If he is an assassin, there is no way for us to be sure if he is good or bad. I'm fairly certain we will find at least one wolf amongst the realdeal voters.

[Abe Sargent]

I'm willing to be persuaded tomorrow, assuming I don't die tonight, and I'll read up on any cases someone wants to build.

[Chief Rum]

So some things that made me curious about today..

I wasnt suprised we killed a good guy, we usually do on day 1. I am suprised at how so many people just -knew- he was good or -knew- he was bad. I had no clue one way or another, and just figured it was not worth the risk vs the reward to lynch him on a hunch just yet. If you suspect him as a wolf, let him live a bit and see who he allies up with. Just don't do the wolves work for them.

On the other hand, it was a little amazing to me a few people just -knew- he was good too. I don't know how folks know this stuff on day 1 when we just have hunches to go on...


The other thing that made me curious was what were you doing during all of that Goldeneagle? You threw out three random votes without any explanation during it all. Im puzzled why you picked me when I was perhaps the only one with a logical reason to have a vote on Bulletsponge. My vote was because he very clearly said last game that he wanted to play the next time he was a wolf by trying to be out and open it some and see if he could just hide in plain sight. He started off this game that way, I called him on it and he did not deny it or stop. So I voted for him. Not a great reason on day 3 or 4, but for day 1, thats good enough to fly.

Chances are Bulletsponge was a good guy to and we had all this fuss over nothing, I'm just intrigued by some people's actions today.

I am very suspicious of GE's actions. He would seem to have information about who is a wolf from his power of smell, and suggests such, but doesn't ever give us anything to go on? If you have this power and are good, why just suggest? Why not make a stronger and more directed accusation? Why would you ignore requests from others here to explain yourself? If you don't have this power and are good, what exactly are you trying to do? Lead us down false paths? Set yourself up as someone to protect because of our belief you have this power when you don't?

Or is this all just you jumping on what we have read in the narrative and trying to be a clever "hide in plain sight" player?

And that is all above and beyond the weird vote patterns, and avoiding the vote at first when we were in a dead heat? All of this just smacks of weirdness. Too weird for me. It's too weird for a bad guy either, I think, because it is too much in the open, and so much can go wrong with playing this way so early on.

Remember, everyone, we have more than one type of bad guy here, and the other bad guy wants Chaos dead, too. There are mutants among us, and I believe GE is one of these mutants. Even his power suggests mutant ability, although that's probably not meant to be the case (I don't think tangle would make it that obvious).

GE may not be a bad guy, but he seems every bit someone who isnt entirely working with us to catch the bad guys either.

I can't vote yet (before the night action, and won't be able to until close to the deadline tomorrow), but unless someone puts up a compelling case tomorrow for someone else, or if the night actions make a lynch obvious, I will be voting for GoldenEagle.

[tanglewood]

The night passes peacefully without major incident. You all arrive at the chamber for the days new council session in full compliment, RealDeal excepted of course.

Day 2 Deadline is 9PM EST

[st.cronin]

VOTE KINGFC

I have a very busy day, so I wanted to cast a vote for a guy who I thought stayed in the background on day 1.

[Swaggs]

Not much going on today, so far.

I will have a scattered day with work, but will try to check back in at lunchtime.

[GoldenEagle]

I am very suspicious of GE's actions. He would seem to have information about who is a wolf from his power of smell, and suggests such, but doesn't ever give us anything to go on? If you have this power and are good, why just suggest? Why not make a stronger and more directed accusation? Why would you ignore requests from others here to explain yourself? If you don't have this power and are good, what exactly are you trying to do? Lead us down false paths? Set yourself up as someone to protect because of our belief you have this power when you don't?

I tried to warn everyone about RealDeal. I knew he was not chaos and came out and said so. No one listened to me then. That is also the reason for my strange voting.

The Alan T vote was totally random. I pulled his name out of a hat. I then saw that RealDeal was in trouble and that I needed to tie things up for RealDeal so that he could have a chance at advancing. I then simply got things mixed up and voted for BrianD instead of bulletsponge. My intention all along was to tie things up.

If I were chaos or mutant, why would I stick my neck out for RealDeal, who turned up clean?

[BrianD]

I don't know if GoldenEagle is good or bad, but I think I now believe that we shouldn't give any extra weight to his actions. I was under the impression that he was trying to give us a clue by unvoting for Bullet after the results were finalized, but I now think that he has no special knowledge of anyone (or at least he didn't at that time), and we should treat his words like those of anyone else.

[saldana]

i'm interested to see if anyone knows anything about last night....why isnt anyone dead...there are 3 possibilites

1. path is the only person that can kill at night and couldnt because he was in jail (extremely unlikely)

2. there was an attack that was somehow repelled (someone should have info)

3. there was a conversion (we are not likely to get any information)

[saldana]

dola, option one should read St. Cronin, not path12

[GoldenEagle]

I don't know if GoldenEagle is good or bad, but I think I now believe that we shouldn't give any extra weight to his actions. I was under the impression that he was trying to give us a clue by unvoting for Bullet after the results were finalized, but I now think that he has no special knowledge of anyone (or at least he didn't at that time), and we should treat his words like those of anyone else.

I simply unvoted for bullet because my vote for the day came in too late and I did not want to cast a vote that early. No clue should have been taken from that.

But, it should be noted that I did try to shift the pressure off RealDeal.

[GoldenEagle]

2. there was an attack that was somehow repelled (someone should have info)


Why would anyone come out and reveal this? If someone protected X then they are going to become an instant target of the chaos.

*Where X is whoever

[Alan T]

Why would anyone come out and reveal this? If someone protected X then they are going to become an instant target of the chaos.

*Where X is whoever


Someone who was protected by someone else would know they had been attacked but were protected. That is valuable information and not giving anything new to the bad guys.


Also you never responded to my post from last night GE.. Alot of it was directed to you.

[BrianD]

I simply unvoted for bullet because my vote for the day came in too late and I did not want to cast a vote that early. No clue should have been taken from that.

But, it should be noted that I did try to shift the pressure off RealDeal.

I do understand your unvote now, and it makes sense.

I'm not sure how much credit you get for trying to shift pressure off RealDeal since you had no way of knowing that he was good. Odds are good that whomever gets picked first will be good, so trying to shift pressure off of an initial lynching target rates as neutral at best.

[saldana]

Why would anyone come out and reveal this? If someone protected X then they are going to become an instant target of the chaos.

*Where X is whoever
as alan said (thanks for answering for me, alan, appreciate it)....if someone was attacked and defended, i dont want the defender to say a word, but the intended victim should know that their ass was saved....the bad guys know who they attacked, so if we get to know to, its the beginning of a circle.

[path12]

I'm not sure what to think about GE. He certainly made it easy to suspect him by his switching around, and the last time he moved after the deadline was weird also. I don't think I'm ready to throw my vote over there yet though.

As for why there was no night kill, I agree with Saldana that a blocked attack seems most likely. We've already talked about the slim chance of conversion considering there are three sides here and only 18 or so players, and I really find it hard to believe that cronin is the only person who could kill at night.

Very curious all in all.

[BrianD]

Should we ask how GoldenEagle "knew" RealDeal was not Chaos?

[twothree]

Geez, what a nightmare of a start. Not to sure what to think of bullet. If he is an assassin, there is no way for us to be sure if he is good or bad. I'm fairly certain we will find at least one wolf amongst the realdeal voters.

I don't think we will find any wolves among the realdeal voters, just misguided villagers.

[BrianD]

I don't think we will find any wolves among the realdeal voters, just misguided villagers.

I disagree. With all the people that voted for him, odds are good that at least one of the voters was Chaos. If the Chaos know who each other is, it would be helpful for them to pile on the bandwagon.

[Mustang]

Don't discount bullet's group. At least people that were voting on realdeal had a reason. People were piling on pretty quick to bullet in the early going for absolutely no reason. Although, not sure how easily anyone could go from bullet to realdeal without questions being brought up.

Having said that.. my participation is going to be lower today than normal. (Birthday) so, I'll be out and about. :)

[bulletsponge]

Geez, what a nightmare of a start. Not to sure what to think of bullet. If he is an assassin, there is no way for us to be sure if he is good or bad. I'm fairly certain we will find at least one wolf amongst the realdeal voters.
i am the leader of the assassins, i have some i can use to kill chaos or mutants if i suspect them.


1. path is the only person that can kill at night and couldnt because he was in jail (extremely unlikely)

i can kill at night

[GoldenEagle]

The other thing that made me curious was what were you doing during all of that Goldeneagle? You threw out three random votes without any explanation during it all. Im puzzled why you picked me when I was perhaps the only one with a logical reason to have a vote on Bulletsponge. My vote was because he very clearly said last game that he wanted to play the next time he was a wolf by trying to be out and open it some and see if he could just hide in plain sight. He started off this game that way, I called him on it and he did not deny it or stop. So I voted for him. Not a great reason on day 3 or 4, but for day 1, thats good enough to fly.

Chances are Bulletsponge was a good guy to and we had all this fuss over nothing, I'm just intrigued by some people's actions today.

I already explained it a bit, but I will do it again. The vote for Alan T was random and I just pulled it out of a hat. I had no evidence on Day 1 on anyone except RealDeal, so I decided to cast a random vote and see what happens.

I then voted for BrianD without checking he was that one that RealDeal was up against. I got my b's mixed up and tried to change it to bulletsponge so that a tie could be created and that we could possibly save an innocent.

[Alan T]

I already explained it a bit, but I will do it again. The vote for Alan T was random and I just pulled it out of a hat. I had no evidence on Day 1 on anyone except RealDeal, so I decided to cast a random vote and see what happens.

I then voted for BrianD without checking he was that one that RealDeal was up against. I got my b's mixed up and tried to change it to bulletsponge so that a tie could be created and that we could possibly save an innocent.


No, I saw your response to why me. Doesn't make alot of sense to me to be picking someone out of the hat there with the votes the way they were, but if thats the reason then ok. The thing unanswered that I asked about last night and others have hinted upon today... You seem to be throwing around alot of things as "fact" right now.

You -knew- one of a few people were a wolf, yet didnt vote for one of them. When people asked about it, you avoided the question. You -knew- realdeal was good... people asked about it and you are avoiding it.

I guess my main curiosity right now is are you throwing these facts around as just a way to try to influence the vote, or do you really know these things?

[bulletsponge]

i personally dont ever take peeps first day votes count against them because its just one big crap shoot,so im not going to hold yesterday against anyone.

[bulletsponge]

I already explained it a bit, but I will do it again. The vote for Alan T was random and I just pulled it out of a hat. I had no evidence on Day 1 on anyone except RealDeal, so I decided to cast a random vote and see what happens.

I then voted for BrianD without checking he was that one that RealDeal was up against. I got my b's mixed up and tried to change it to bulletsponge so that a tie could be created and that we could possibly save an innocent.


that makes perfect sense, i cant keep up with who's who

[GoldenEagle]

I guess my main curiosity right now is are you throwing these facts around as just a way to try to influence the vote, or do you really know these things?

I am not going to claim nor deny any special powers. But the fact of the matter is that I tired to shift the pressure off RealDeal and even changed my random vote to try to create a tie. RealDeal was clean.

[Blade6119]

I am not going to claim nor deny any special powers. But the fact of the matter is that I tired to shift the pressure off RealDeal and even changed my random vote to try to create a tie. RealDeal was clean.
So did you do anything last night? Do you have any new information about anyone? Did you "smell" any chaos last night, or can you confirm any good guys for us?

[BrianD]

I am not going to claim nor deny any special powers. But the fact of the matter is that I tired to shift the pressure off RealDeal and even changed my random vote to try to create a tie. RealDeal was clean.

But the question is, WHY did you try to shift pressure off RealDeal? When nobody knew anything, what did you think you knew? We know now that RealDeal was clean, but it was only speculation before.

[BrianD]

But the question is, WHY did you try to shift pressure off RealDeal? When nobody knew anything, what did you think you knew? We know now that RealDeal was clean, but it was only speculation before.

I also realize that strategically you may not be able to say much on this topic. I'm just trying to figure out if you are trying to give us subtle hints, if you are chaos and trying to claim you were right with the RealDeal "guess", or if you are just trying to figure stuff out like the rest of us.

[bulletsponge]

yea, we need to see if we can get a circle of trust going.

[Blade6119]

yea, we need to see if we can get a circle of trust going.
I had figured he was a part seer...he, and his mutant hunter counterpart, could both scan every night for their type. GE would know if they were chaos or not, and i forget the other but he would know mutant or not. I might be wrong, but if not i think he needs to be quite vocal about who he is scanning as its not exactly a secret he was a threat to the chaos. In my mind, that makes him a key target and i cant imagine he will be alive that long.

[Mustang]

i personally dont ever take peeps first day votes count against them because its just one big crap shoot,so im not going to hold yesterday against anyone.

Does become relevant though later in the game. Unless of course you hit upon a baddie the first day.. then it because relevant rather quickly.

[saldana]

i'm out for work kids, i'll be back around 5, and depending on what happens between now and then, may have something interesting to talk about

[path12]

I had figured he was a part seer...he, and his mutant hunter counterpart, could both scan every night for their type. GE would know if they were chaos or not, and i forget the other but he would know mutant or not. I might be wrong, but if not i think he needs to be quite vocal about who he is scanning as its not exactly a secret he was a threat to the chaos. In my mind, that makes him a key target and i cant imagine he will be alive that long.

That was my read as well.

[bulletsponge]

That was my read as well.


hmm well i guess i can take him off my hit list, but no nobody is on it :(

[BrianD]

Reading Chief Rum's post at the top of this page makes me wonder if he is on the good side. He mentiones that GE's potential smelling ability sounds mutant-like and we should get rid of him. While the mutants need to eliminated, it would seem that working with them for a little while might be helpful. If they can help us sniff out the Chaos, then we can save plenty of humans. The only danger is to make sure that we don't kill the last Chaos before we take out the mutants. I'd be uneasy taking out a mutant that could smell Chaos before we got some good intel.

[SirFozzie]

Anyone talking about circles of trust on day 2 is highly irregular.. you need at least get to day 3 and for our folks who can scan for Chaos to know who's clean to even START building circles of trust.

[SirFozzie]

Our first and only goal SHOULD be to isolate Chaos. If we can do that then the Mutants can be found out and executed for their impurity.

[twothree]

i'm out for work kids, i'll be back around 5, and depending on what happens between now and then, may have something interesting to talk about

That's an interesting post.

I will only be around for about another 2 hours today, and won't make it back until after the vote results, so I was hoping to see more votes cast before having to decide my vote today. But that does not look like it will happen, so let me be the first to jump on the only other vote today and see if anything happens.

vote kingfc

[Blade6119]

Anyone talking about circles of trust on day 2 is highly irregular.. you need at least get to day 3 and for our folks who can scan for Chaos to know who's clean to even START building circles of trust.
You mean like last game when we pieced together a COT by day 2 that included 6 people, all of whom were good. Ya, that didnt work because of beliefs like this. The earlier the better. The longer the game goes, the less trust we can put into them, as its more likely they have been converted or infiltrated.

Fozzie, care to share any ideas about GE since your two roles are soo similar in nature?

[Blade6119]

I really want to vote GE right now, but if hes good his power is too useful. If he would cooperate and tell us what information he has, and more the the point who he scanned last night, i would be more happy to go elsewhere. But all day yesterday i asked him questions about his actions and he mostly ignored them. If he has information, he needs to share it. He is not a hidden seer, he is very much in danger. The fact nothing happened to him last night only worsens my fears.

[Alan T]

Im not going to vote GE today Blade. The reason is the same reason as I didn't vote realdeal yesterday. I think the risk vs reward is too great. He's being really shady right now and that could be due to many reasons, some bad for us, some good for us.

Its obvious he doesn't want to answer right now anything that we are asking of him, so I'm not going to push anymore. He's definitly not in my trust list right now however.

[Blade6119]

Im not going to vote GE today Blade. The reason is the same reason as I didn't vote realdeal yesterday. I think the risk vs reward is too great. He's being really shady right now and that could be due to many reasons, some bad for us, some good for us.

Its obvious he doesn't want to answer right now anything that we are asking of him, so I'm not going to push anymore. He's definitly not in my trust list right now however.
Who are you looking at then? Like yesterday i dont see a whole lot of evidence. And since we learned diddly squat from the night, unless someone wants to admit to being a bad guy, i dont see much to go on. Who are you thinking about alan?

[Alan T]

Who are you looking at then? Like yesterday i dont see a whole lot of evidence. And since we learned diddly squat from the night, unless someone wants to admit to being a bad guy, i dont see much to go on. Who are you thinking about alan?

To be honest, right now I'm mainly just sitting around seeing what people say and do more than anything. If I had to choose right now, I'll likely vote for bulletsponge again. But don't read too much into that, I have absolutely 0 to go on, just trying to make some sense of why a couple of people have been acting how they have so far.

[Blade6119]

GE is in thread, so im hoping he chips in...otherwise my vote today will

[Blade6119]

*be a tough one

dont know why it posted half my message

[Blade6119]

Nope, he left...thanks GE

[Swaggs]

Is anyone up to speed on the mythology of this "universe?" It is pretty confusing to me so far, especially considering I had to play catch up after yesterday's busy day, so I didn't really get to experience things in real-time.

Without giving too much away, I feel like the roles/traits may be related, but I am curious to see if we have any 40,000 experts that may know a little bit more.

[Blade6119]

Is anyone up to speed on the mythology of this "universe?" It is pretty confusing to me so far, especially considering I had to play catch up after yesterday's busy day, so I didn't really get to experience things in real-time.

Without giving too much away, I feel like the roles/traits may be related, but I am curious to see if we have any 40,000 experts that may know a little bit more.
Check out the link i posted. Its a wikipedia basically, but entirely comprised of 40k information. Getting back story on many of the roles really helped me, as ive never played the game and its hard getting adjusted to the roles.

[path12]

I don't trust him entirely by any stretch, but let's face it Blade -- you can't lynch the seer. No way I vote for GE.

No idea who I will vote for yet though.

[SirFozzie]

You mean like last game when we pieced together a COT by day 2 that included 6 people, all of whom were good. Ya, that didnt work because of beliefs like this. The earlier the better. The longer the game goes, the less trust we can put into them, as its more likely they have been converted or infiltrated.

Fozzie, care to share any ideas about GE since your two roles are soo similar in nature?

If his role is similar to mine as I believe it is, he'd be a rather useful guy to have around, IF he's not converted/been a bad guy from the start.

[bulletsponge]

im going to put some heat on the lurkers who try to hide

Vote Chief Rum

[bulletsponge]

Is anyone up to speed on the mythology of this "universe?" It is pretty confusing to me so far, especially considering I had to play catch up after yesterday's busy day, so I didn't really get to experience things in real-time.

Without giving too much away, I feel like the roles/traits may be related, but I am curious to see if we have any 40,000 experts that may know a little bit more.


Not a clue. the more complicated the game the more i just focus on my own role

[twothree]

Also, here is another wiki about Warhammer 40K

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000

[Swaggs]

Check out the link i posted. Its a wikipedia basically, but entirely comprised of 40k information. Getting back story on many of the roles really helped me, as ive never played the game and its hard getting adjusted to the roles.

I must have missed it when I was catching up, but I'll check it out when I get a chance after work. I actually did read about the Blood Angels a bit on wiki yesterday b/c the link came up when I googled them to try to find a picture (to see if my guy looked like he could whip Chief's guy :) ). Quite a bit on the Blood Angels, so I imagine there is a ton on the universe in general.

[SirFozzie]

Now that's interesting, bullet.. you think that with the amount of public information available if you do research (the roles), the quieter folks could be trying to slip "under the radar"?

[Blade6119]

Im out for awhile...be back in around 4 hours id say, give or take....id love to hear from GE in that time, or someone present any ideas against someone else

[Blade6119]

Again, since it was back on page 3

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Main_Page

[Swaggs]

I think GE's votes without description and the switches were a bit peculiar, but I'm not ready to hang him over it.

[GoldenEagle]

Alright, I will try to provide a little more clarification on what my role is.

In the post where I killed Daddy Torgo, it said that I smelled chaos. I was just role playing on that a bit. RealDeal was nothing more than a gut feeling. I did not 'see' anything on him.

I do not about SirFozzie and his role and if ours are similar. It is simply my role to kill off all the chaos and to protect the Imperor. That is what I am planning on doing throughout the game.

[Swaggs]

Alright fellas, I am out until after 5:00.

Try to keep it under 10 pages for me to catch up on. :)

[twothree]

I do not about SirFozzie and his role and if ours are similar. It is simply my role to kill off all the chaos and to protect the Imperor. That is what I am planning on doing throughout the game.

That is why it will be hard for any of the rest of us to vote for either you or SirFozzie. Your role makes it sound like you hunt chaos, and SirFozzie's role makes it sound like he hunts mutants. I doubt I will ever vote for either one of the two of you. Unless, and I am just throwing this out as I don't really believe it...

Really Really Bad Hypothesis: SirFozzie is a chaos lord who loves to hunt mutants, and Goldeneagle is a mutant who loves to hunt chaos. Just a possibility, but I really don't believe it would make for a good game of werewolf, so it probably is not correct.

[Mustang]

I obviously play 40K. If anyone has any specific questions, I'll try to help out.

Personally, I'm trying not to have this game = the 40K universe because I'd hope the game wouldn't turn out to be that 'easy'. For example (and I'm not suggesting anything here but, just using an example) the Space Wolves have a legion called the 13th Company that pursued a Chaos Legion into the Warp and were lost. Long story short, the 13th Company has Marines that are werewolves. Using this, I would then translate this to believe that maybe the Space Wolves were/are sympathetic to Mutants given the circumstances of some of their members.

Granted, if you start along that path then everyone will have assumptions in my mind about them just based upon their roles and the 40K universe.

Then again... maybe it is that easy...

[kingfc22]

i'm interested to see if anyone knows anything about last night....why isnt anyone dead...there are 3 possibilites

1. path is the only person that can kill at night and couldnt because he was in jail (extremely unlikely)

2. there was an attack that was somehow repelled (someone should have info)

3. there was a conversion (we are not likely to get any information)

VOTE SALDANA

I've seen this type of post and made this type of post as a bad guy before. The bad guy "knowing" what happened at night is throwing out ideas making him look good by trying to figure out what happened. While in actuality he is hoping that someone spills some information that would be beneficial to his side.

This is just a hunch, but it is the strongest one I have so far.

[st.cronin]

I think the mythology of the game has the potential to be misleading, although I don't know for sure.

I am troubled that twothree has voted with me two days running.

UNVOTE KINGFC

VOTE TWOTHREE

I do not have any ability to kill people at night. I would like some discussion on bulletsponge's claims - are we taking his reveal at face value?

[bulletsponge]

VOTE SALDANA

I've seen this type of post and made this type of post as a bad guy before. The bad guy "knowing" what happened at night is throwing out ideas making him look good by trying to figure out what happened. While in actuality he is hoping that someone spills some information that would be beneficial to his side.

This is just a hunch, but it is the strongest one I have so far.

this is the same reason im voting for Rummy, hes acting the same way he did last game when he was a wolf

[bulletsponge]

dola

granted Chief rum works all day, but even his posts seem to be the same

[twothree]

I think the mythology of the game has the potential to be misleading, although I don't know for sure.

I am troubled that twothree has voted with me two days running.

UNVOTE KINGFC

VOTE TWOTHREE

I do not have any ability to kill people at night. I would like some discussion on bulletsponge's claims - are we taking his reveal at face value?

Hmmm...on day 1, I was the first to vote for Anxiety and then you followed my lead.

unvote kingfc

vote st. cronin

[Blade6119]

I obviously play 40K. If anyone has any specific questions, I'll try to help out.

Personally, I'm trying not to have this game = the 40K universe because I'd hope the game wouldn't turn out to be that 'easy'. For example (and I'm not suggesting anything here but, just using an example) the Space Wolves have a legion called the 13th Company that pursued a Chaos Legion into the Warp and were lost. Long story short, the 13th Company has Marines that are werewolves. Using this, I would then translate this to believe that maybe the Space Wolves were/are sympathetic to Mutants given the circumstances of some of their members.

Granted, if you start along that path then everyone will have assumptions in my mind about them just based upon their roles and the 40K universe.

Then again... maybe it is that easy...
From what i read though, the primarchs in the 4k universe are all dead or missing. Most died during some revolt i read about. SO obviously its not totally dependent on the world.

[twothree]

dola

and you did it after first voting for BrianD. Then asking if anyone thought you should switch your vote. and then finally voting with me on a "gut" feeling for Anxiety, whom I selected randomly. And, now you think I deserve a vote because I agreed with you today just like I did yesterday?????????

I am neither chaos or a mutant. I am a loyal member of the Imperium and a loyal follower of the Emperor.

[Blade6119]

hey fouts, lets hear what you think about today

[saldana]

VOTE SALDANA

I've seen this type of post and made this type of post as a bad guy before. The bad guy "knowing" what happened at night is throwing out ideas making him look good by trying to figure out what happened. While in actuality he is hoping that someone spills some information that would be beneficial to his side.

This is just a hunch, but it is the strongest one I have so far.

i only have a second while my boss is in a meeting, but i wanted to answer this...you are right king, i am fishing. i have reason to believe one of my 3 things happened last night, and to this point, i am pretty sure which one....i just wanted to wait a bit to see if the person i was waiting on would say anything first, and since he hasnt, i believe he was converted last night.

vote blade

[BrianD]

Do we have a current vote count?

[Blade6119]

i only have a second while my boss is in a meeting, but i wanted to answer this...you are right king, i am fishing. i have reason to believe one of my 3 things happened last night, and to this point, i am pretty sure which one....i just wanted to wait a bit to see if the person i was waiting on would say anything first, and since he hasnt, i believe he was converted last night.

vote blade
Lets hear what info you think you have, as i wasnt converted last night. Im rather interested in what you think you have, and please be detailed. That way I can call your bluff.

VOTE SALDANA

[Blade6119]

Come on sal, lay it on me. Lets hear what the big bad wolf has to say about me

[Alan T]

Now things are getting fun.

[BrianD]

VOTE SALDANA

I've seen this type of post and made this type of post as a bad guy before. The bad guy "knowing" what happened at night is throwing out ideas making him look good by trying to figure out what happened. While in actuality he is hoping that someone spills some information that would be beneficial to his side.

This is just a hunch, but it is the strongest one I have so far.

Man I love paranoia. Now trying to figure out who the bad guys are is indication of being a bad guy? I think this might by an attempt to shift blame a little too aggressively. This may change, but for now...

Vote kingfc22

[Blade6119]

Now things are getting fun.
Im grinning cheek to cheek, as this is either a really bad mistake by saldana, or we just nailed a bad guy

[BrianD]

Im grinning cheek to cheek, as this is either a really bad mistake by saldana, or we just nailed a bad guy

A bad mistake shouldn't make you grin...

[Alan T]

Ok, I will spill some beans. or at least what I think I know.

I'm not honestly sure what Saldana's role is but he and I were able to meet up last night and my PM said I left the discussion with a definite belief that Saldana was not bad. He's definitly not chaos, so Blade throwing the wolf comments at him don't stick.

I didn't have any information in my PM about Blade or anything else, so not sure what Saldana knows here, but If Saldana says he knows something then I'm voting with him.

vote blade

[SirFozzie]

HuhWha? Apparently my brain is submerged in tapioca, cuz I don't see what you guys are seeing yet.

[Alan T]

ok rereading, to be more accurate.. from my PM I am entirely convinced that Saldana is fully devoted to the emperor's cause. So with the lack of anything else I know who the day 2 vote should be.

[Blade6119]

A bad mistake shouldn't make you grin...
If what alan says is true, then im thinking this isnt some bad mistake. I think this is going to be a nice little battle line drawn shortly, just waiting to hear what saldana says before i proclaim him a wolf for sure

[saldana]

my role is basically a witness/spy. i chose to go out last night, and i followed someone to a location where they met with blade. i did not see who the other person was, but since there wasnt a fight, and blade did not get killed, i am concluding that he was converted. i am sure he will have some sort of explanation for this, which i cant wait to see.

[twothree]

I really don't think st. cronin is chaos even though you voted for me and I replied in kind. :)

Saldana did lobby hard for our first execution of realdeal, which turned out to be very wrong. This will be my final change to my vote for the day, as I won't be back until after the votes have been tallied.

unvote st. cronin

vote saldana

[Fouts]

hey fouts, lets hear what you think about today

I think we should lynch blade because he gets villagers killed.

[Blade6119]

my role is basically a witness/spy. i chose to go out last night, and i followed someone to a location where they met with blade. i did not see who the other person was, but since there wasnt a fight, and blade did not get killed, i am concluding that he was converted. i am sure he will have some sort of explanation for this, which i cant wait to see.
Total bullocks, but for the purposes of the game id like to know what order you sent. You had to of followed someone, so lets know who it was so i can further draw my trust/distrust lists.

[Blade6119]

dola, why do you not mention talking to alan at all? your role shouldnt allow that on top of spy, so what happened?

[Blade6119]

I think we should lynch blade because he gets villagers killed.
heres your chance...the two guys who were most against you yesterday are calling each other liars. Saldana has put his cards on the table, as riddled with holes as they may be..i will present mine shortly to make sure this whole game goes spinning

[saldana]

Ok, I will spill some beans. or at least what I think I know.

I'm not honestly sure what Saldana's role is but he and I were able to meet up last night and my PM said I left the discussion with a definite belief that Saldana was not bad. He's definitly not chaos, so Blade throwing the wolf comments at him don't stick.

I didn't have any information in my PM about Blade or anything else, so not sure what Saldana knows here, but If Saldana says he knows something then I'm voting with him.

vote blade


thanks for your support alan, if you go back to my second post of the day, i was trying to subtley indicate that i got similar inforation about you and that i was pleased to be on the same side with you.

after i spoke with you last night, i left my room and witnessed what i posted above concerning blade. i could be wrong, god knows i was yesterday, but i would love to hear his story for what happened if he wasnt converted.

he reinforced what i thought happened by coming out and voting for GE, who has given every indication that he is on our side, and could be more valuable.

[twothree]

my role is basically a witness/spy. i chose to go out last night, and i followed someone to a location where they met with blade. i did not see who the other person was, but since there wasnt a fight, and blade did not get killed, i am concluding that he was converted. i am sure he will have some sort of explanation for this, which i cant wait to see.

Or blade could be part of a secret group of villagers that can communicate with one another via PM, and has not been touched by chaos or a mutation at all. I find it interesting that you revealed this information now.

[saldana]

dola, why do you not mention talking to alan at all? your role shouldnt allow that on top of spy, so what happened?

i didnt go talk to alan, he came to talk to me

[Blade6119]

thanks for your support alan, if you go back to my second post of the day, i was trying to subtley indicate that i got similar inforation about you and that i was pleased to be on the same side with you.

after i spoke with you last night, i left my room and witnessed what i posted above concerning blade. i could be wrong, god knows i was yesterday, but i would love to hear his story for what happened if he wasnt converted.

he reinforced what i thought happened by coming out and voting for GE, who has given every indication that he is on our side, and could be more valuable.
So you first conversed with alan, which you left out of your story before, then went out to spy on someone, but you dont know who, then you followed them to a meeting with me, when i know i wasnt out and about last night...anyone else want to corraborate his story so i can help get you lynched too?

[Alan T]

thanks for your support alan, if you go back to my second post of the day, i was trying to subtley indicate that i got similar inforation about you and that i was pleased to be on the same side with you.

after i spoke with you last night, i left my room and witnessed what i posted above concerning blade. i could be wrong, god knows i was yesterday, but i would love to hear his story for what happened if he wasnt converted.

he reinforced what i thought happened by coming out and voting for GE, who has given every indication that he is on our side, and could be more valuable.


Well I wasn't suprised you were curious about me, since we were opposite on votes yesterday. I figured I was just going to keep it quiet and start building a CoT quietly without giving people hints to try to kill you at night.

Since it sounds like you have a wolf here though, I figured it worth coming out to back you here. Hope someone can protect you tonight, but getting a wolf on day 2 would be really nice right now.

[BrianD]

Oh bloody hell...

[Fouts]

heres your chance...the two guys who were most against you yesterday are calling each other liars. Saldana has put his cards on the table, as riddled with holes as they may be..i will present mine shortly to make sure this whole game goes spinning

I hadn't gotten to the reveals when I posted. I find it strange that saldana can meet up with someone, and then follow somebody else. Going to wait for more information.

[bulletsponge]

my role is basically a witness/spy. i chose to go out last night, and i followed someone to a location where they met with blade. i did not see who the other person was, but since there wasnt a fight, and blade did not get killed, i am concluding that he was converted. i am sure he will have some sort of explanation for this, which i cant wait to see.


if Blade was "converted" wouldnt he have been attacked at home, not going out to meet his convertors. whats Blades role? maybe his role has him going out at night

[SirFozzie]

Interesting. Gonna have to think on that.

[Blade6119]

i didnt go talk to alan, he came to talk to me
He seems to indicate otherwise...any other lies for us sal?
Well I wasn't suprised you were curious about me, since we were opposite on votes yesterday.

[Blade6119]

if Blade was "converted" wouldnt he have been attacked at home, not going out to meet his convertors. whats Blades role? maybe his role has him going out at night
My role does not have me go out at night, rest assured of that fact