Werewolf 40,000: The Horus Heresy CHAOS DEFEATED; MUTANTS SURVIVE

[st.cronin]

lol

[Greyroofoo]

GOLDEN EAGLE STOP POSTING THE SAME TIME I DO!!!!!!

[saldana]

is it still a tie then?

[Fouts]

I expect blade to post a ton during the last hour.

[saldana]

dola, chief rum hasnt been here all day, and swaggs has left, so unless someone changes, we are at a tie

[st.cronin]

Fouts has the tie-breaker, right? So, as it stands, Blade will die.

[kingfc22]

Just got home from work. Trying to catch up right now.

[Fouts]

30 minutes until death time, somebody's gonna make a move...

[Swaggs]

I'm here... Sorry, got called away right after I posted that I was catching up before.

Just caught up and I am planning to vote. I'm trying to decide whether or not one of these guys is a better choice to vote for OR if I should just cast a throwaway vote and hope that Fouts makes a good decision in the tiebreaker.

[Swaggs]

Fouts has the tie-breaker, right? So, as it stands, Blade will die.

I thought it was tied now?

Anyone have any guidance for me. I feel a little out of it since I have been away most of the day and I hurried through about ten thousand Blade posts in the last 7 pages.

[saldana]

i see CR has joined us as well....anyone got any blood pressure pills i could borrow?

[st.cronin]

I thought it was tied now?

Anyone have any guidance for me. I feel a little out of it since I have been away most of the day and I hurried through about ten thousand Blade posts in the last 7 pages.

I believe that Fouts has claimed he has the tiebreaker. His vote is on Blade, so if the vote stays tied, Blade dies.

[GoldenEagle]

Cast a vote for saldana. I am willing to put my head on the chopping block for Blade just like I was for RealDeal. I am not saying saldana is chaos but I know blade is not.

[Fouts]

I believe that Fouts has claimed he has the tiebreaker. His vote is on Blade, so if the vote stays tied, Blade dies.

Yes, only votes can save blade now. We'll see what happens.

[SirFozzie]

Golden.. are you SURE??

Dayumn.

Ok, time to think here.

[Fouts]

Cast a vote for saldana. I am willing to put my head on the chopping block for Blade just like I was for RealDeal. I am not saying saldana is chaos but I know blade is not.

Out of this whole mess, I believe Alan, which means saldana is good.

[saldana]

I thought it was tied now?

Anyone have any guidance for me. I feel a little out of it since I have been away most of the day and I hurried through about ten thousand Blade posts in the last 7 pages.

i posted this morning that i thought one of three things has happened...i waited til blade came into the thread and waited several hours to say if he did anything last night, as i know he spoke to someone, in person...he denies that completely, alant also vouches for me 100 percent as being on the side of the imperium. blade has also been caught in a bit of a lie or a mistake, in all fairness he hasnt been here to answer, when he says he ordered the space marines to protect GE last night, something he doesnt have the authority to do. twothree has also come out and said he believes blade is good. so its 2v2 in terms of picking sides.

so basically i said i believe blade was converted last night, he says i must be chaos out to get him...imo, there really isnt any evidence at all to lynch me except for blade saying i must be bad because i am out to get him, whereas, there is at least one verifyable lie from him, and one that i will swear to.

[kingfc22]

Now that I am totally confused after reading today's events. I think I'll keep my vote on saldana. However, Blade is very high on the suspect list as well.

[st.cronin]

I don't see how GoldenEagle could possibly be sure.

[Fouts]

Now that I am totally confused after reading today's events. I think I'll keep my vote on saldana. However, Blade is very high on the suspect list as well.

Noted.

[saldana]

Cast a vote for saldana. I am willing to put my head on the chopping block for Blade just like I was for RealDeal. I am not saying saldana is chaos but I know blade is not.
GE, if you are saying blade isnt chaos, i honestly think i believe you...that doesnt mean he isnt a mutant though

[Fouts]

I don't see how GoldenEagle could possibly be sure.

Unless he was converted last night?

[saldana]

dola or that he was converted last night.

[SirFozzie]

If GoldenEagle's role is the seeker of chaos, as someone mentioned earlier when asking if my job was similar to his, I can definitely see him being the night 1 conversion target.

[st.cronin]

Unless he was converted last night?

Well, yes.

[Swaggs]

I'm going with Fouts here. I also don't see any good reason why Alan would associate himself with saldana unless he was pretty sure of his allegiance.

Vote Blade

[GoldenEagle]

GE, if you are saying blade isnt chaos, i honestly think i believe you...that doesnt mean he isnt a mutant though

All I know is Blade is not chaos. He could be mutant but are job is to kill off chaos.

For the record saldana, I am not sure you are chaos but I know Blade is not chaos so I have to vote for you.

[Greyroofoo]

is anyone else's head spinning?

[Fouts]

All I know is Blade is not chaos. He could be mutant but are job is to kill off chaos.

For the record saldana, I am not sure you are chaos but I know Blade is not chaos so I have to vote for you.

How do you keep knowing stuff? You say you know, then you come back later saying it was a feeling. I don't get it.

[GoldenEagle]

Look, I am sticking my neck out here. If we kill Blade, we will have one less good guy on our side.

[Fouts]

Look, I am sticking my neck out here. If we kill Blade, we will have one less good guy on our side.

I don't buy his story, bodyguard reveal, space marines, ice planet, seen leaving his house when he says he didn't. Too much.

[Fouts]

BTW GE, killing mutants is good for us. Major victory if we get them all.

[SirFozzie]

Gah. I really shoulda stayed on the sidelines for this one, your brain has to be a special kinda crooked to play this game right :)

Gonna leave my vote where it is. if it's clean, we all know where the vote is going tommorow, tho. and if it's dirty, we know where it's going tommorrow too. *sighs*

[saldana]

All I know is Blade is not chaos. He could be mutant but are job is to kill off chaos.

For the record saldana, I am not sure you are chaos but I know Blade is not chaos so I have to vote for you.

no you dont, killing someone you think is a good guy to save a guy you think is a good guy is a very good way to lose this game....you have no idea what i mean to the imperium at this point...vote for you think is a bad guy....there have been plenty of times that i have not been part of the run off...i make my votes early in the day, and unless there is a good reason to change it, it stays there, even if it is the only one on a person...thats how we win...we establish voting records....if the only reason you are voting for me is because blade wants you to, that is a sure fire way to cost us in the end.

and look at the victory conditions...we have 2...killing mutants is just as good if you are on the side of the imperium.

[st.cronin]

Golden Eagle, explain the game mechanic by which you know that Blade is not a wolf. Don't say "I know he's not chaos, I smelled him!" Explain how the game mechanic works. Because I don't trust you, and I don't think I'm alone.

[tanglewood]

Current Vote Count Day 2

Blade 7 - saldana, AlanT, SirFozzie, Fouts, st.cronin, Greyroofoo, Swaggs
saldana 6 - kingfc, Blade, twothree, bulletsponge, Anxiety, GoldenEagle
Greyroofoo 2- path12, Mustang
kingfc 1 - BrianD

Not Yet Voted: Chief Rum

[BrianD]

Unvote kincfc22
Vote Greyroofoo

[Chief Rum]

I freakin' hate this. No time to catch up with it all. I have to just vote.

Blade annoys the hell out of me, but I think he's dead anyway (either at night or by lynch). And the ALan-saldana stories seem to have less confirmation.

So...

VOTE SALDANA

[BrianD]

I know my vote doesn't really help, but I'm not convinced either Saldana or Blade is bad. It seems like the initial push against Blade was weak and now everyone is pointing fingers against a bad first finger-pointing.

[st.cronin]

lol

[BrianD]

Brian, under the radar, makes another mysterious vote.

I voted for RealDeal yesterday.

[Fouts]

Brian, under the radar, makes another mysterious vote.

[Chief Rum]

If Fouts is a tiebreaker, it looks like my vote doesn't matter this time.

While that is a relief, I still don't know that killing Blade tells us anything. I actually felt strongest to kill Greyroofoo, but I didn't want to be seen as riding the fence when that's not what I am trying to do at all. You folks sure don't make this easy for the guy rushing in from work.

[tanglewood]

x

[saldana]

just in case there is a late jump

highest level of trust
alan

moderate level of trust
fouts
cronin

no read
anyone not in the other 4 categories

moderate distrust
twothree
king

extreme distrust
blade

[Swaggs]

I agree that the way things worked out made it real easy for the chaos/mutants to pile on in this game. Hopefully we hit on Blade.

[tanglewood]

Voting NOW is closed.

Jumped the gun by about 30 seconds there, didn't matter in the end but you never know.

[Fouts]

I voted for RealDeal yesterday.

Yes, a late vote to seal his fate.

[tanglewood]

FINAL Vote Count Day 2

Blade 7 - saldana, AlanT, SirFozzie, Fouts, st.cronin, Greyroofoo, Swaggs
saldana 7 - kingfc, Blade, twothree, bulletsponge, Anxiety, GoldenEagle, Chief Rum
Greyroofoo 3- path12, Mustang, BrianD

Write up coming shortly.

[SirFozzie]

no you dont, killing someone you think is a good guy to save a guy you think is a good guy is a very good way to lose this game....you have no idea what i mean to the imperium at this point...vote for you think is a bad guy....there have been plenty of times that i have not been part of the run off...i make my votes early in the day, and unless there is a good reason to change it, it stays there, even if it is the only one on a person...thats how we win...we establish voting records....if the only reason you are voting for me is because blade wants you to, that is a sure fire way to cost us in the end.

and look at the victory conditions...we have 2...killing mutants is just as good if you are on the side of the imperium.

Incorrect. The only way we win is if we kill the Chaos scum. the mutants just makes the victory better.

[Fouts]

Heading out to dinner. I hope we got it right. If not, maybe the night action will bring something.

[BrianD]

Yes, a late vote to seal his fate.

I said it wasn't under the radar, I never said it wasn't wrong.

For the record, if Blade turns out to be good, I won't claim vindication for not voting for him. If he turns out to be bad I won't make any claims that my vote didn't matter since he would have died either way (tie-breaker or straight out).

I chose not to jump on either bandwagon since I wasn't convinced either was right. I'm suspicious of Grey (as I was yesterday before changing my vote) so that is where my vote stands. I realize that I stand out by not jumping on the bandwagon, and I'll accept that.

[bulletsponge]

i hope yall didnt kill our good bodyguard

[saldana]

Incorrect. The only way we win is if we kill the Chaos scum. the mutants just makes the victory better.

ITS NOT WORTH WINNING IF YOU CANT WIN BIG!!!!

[kingfc22]

ITS NOT WORTH WINNING IF YOU CANT WIN BIG!!!!

Exactly. I don't want some minor victory.

[tanglewood]

As he day progresess a flurry of information and counter-information pours from the mouths of Blade, Saldana and several others. Again, camps form along the lines of whose testimony, with various corroborators, is valued more likely. Eventually, after hours of intense wrangling and fevered argument, it comes to a dead heat. Fouts bangs his gravel firmly on the table and grimly announces his decision to overrule the council's deadlock and execute Blade. There are mutters of dissaproval from some quarters, but alas they cannot at this point influence a final decision from the Master the of Administratum.

Blade is read the statement, accusing him of conspiring against the Emperor and acting in league with the Chaos forces. Blade barks angrily at everyone, struggling to get free from the grip placed on him by the execution team as they lead him to the chopping block. "How dare you! How DARE you! I have served the Emperor to a degree greater than any man in this room, than any man alive in this galaxy! I spit on this judgement, as the Emperor spits now upon this sham of a council." He nearly breaks free, but manages only one menacing stride towards the council members before quickly subdued by a stun dart from one of the execution team. His now limp head is balanced on the execution plank. The grisly executioner himself seems delighted to have been requested for the second time in as many days. He slices swiftly through Blade's neck with his power axe, again the veins seared shut as the whole motion is comfortably swift.

Hair and specs of blood are gathered for the various tests to be performed by the Inquisitors and after a short wait both respond to the negative. Once again the council has erred in judgement and executed a loyal servant to the Imperium. may the Emperor have mercy upon you.

Night 2 has begun. PMs due by 9AM EST

[GoldenEagle]

This makes things very interesting.

[st.cronin]

LOCK ME UP!!! PLEASE!!!

[SirFozzie]

Damnit.

\

[Alan T]

I still stand by my statement, I was told Saldana was a firm follower of the emperor. I still think lynching him tommorrow is wrong.

[Chief Rum]

Blade's story had more corroboration. I hope that is clear now. I voted Saldana on a hunch, rather than Blade, but now I see that hunch had more to it than I thought.

Will we repeat the errors of last game, and lose because we can't help killing ourselves?

[tanglewood]

As the previous night, path12 heads to st.cronin and informs him he will be spending another night in the security cell. Just as it seems he has turned and heading to the exit, he swirls and walks toward Fouts, tapping on him the shoulder. Fouts looks slightly grim, but follows dillegently. It appears there will be two in the cell this evening.

[Greyroofoo]

May you serve the Emperor in death Blade :(

I guess he could command space marines.

[st.cronin]

I still stand by my statement, I was told Saldana was a firm follower of the emperor. I still think lynching him tommorrow is wrong.

My vote will not be for saldana. It will be for either greyroofoo or GoldenEagle, most likely.

[GoldenEagle]

I still stand by my statement, I was told Saldana was a firm follower of the emperor. I still think lynching him tommorrow is wrong.

Oh come on, are you kidding me?

[Alan T]

Oh come on, are you kidding me?

No I'm not joking. I am serious. Ive said all day that I didnt know what Blade's story was, but him pushing people to vote for the only known person on our side (saldana) was a horrible move.

Blade lynched himself here, and I still say Saldana is 100% on the emperor's side

[Chief Rum]

I still stand by my statement, I was told Saldana was a firm follower of the emperor. I still think lynching him tommorrow is wrong.

Actually, today's outcome reflects on you as much as saldana. Besides saldana, I didn't see any corroboration of his story except for you. And no corroboration for your story at all--just your certainty saldana was good. For all I know, you have been lying all along about this PM, and trying to ride how you have been good the past few games.

I'm not so sure that you aren't a better candidate for a lynching than saldana.

[Greyroofoo]

How do you know Saldana is 100% on the Emperor's side?

[Alan T]

Actually, today's outcome reflects on you as much as saldana. Besides saldana, I didn't see any corroboration of his story except for you. And no corroboration for your story at all--just your certainty saldana was good. For all I know, you have been lying all along about this PM, and trying to ride how you have been good the past few games.

I'm not so sure that you aren't a better candidate for a lynching than saldana.


Im not sure lynching me would be as bad of a mistake as saldana, but you would be killing someone good. If you had to choose between saldana and me, its probably best to lynch me as my worth isnt as high as his. However it still would be a mistake.

[Alan T]

How do you know Saldana is 100% on the Emperor's side?


I said earlier today that as the enforcer of faith in our emperor Saldana's strong belief caused him to seek me out as part of my role. The fact he was first leads me to believe he is the strongest faith amongst us. Thats why lynching him would be horrible.

I don't provide as much to the good guys as he does, but I am still 100% good as well.

[Chief Rum]

Im not sure lynching me would be as bad of a mistake as saldana, but you would be killing someone good. If you had to choose between saldana and me, its probably best to lynch me as my worth isnt as high as his. However it still would be a mistake.

That may be so. We have been known to get two sides, both good, confused, and ended up killing both. But there is contradictory information here, so someone was lying today. And the guy who died was good. Stands to reason those so stridently against him will be very suspicious.

I should note I have not abandoned my suspicion of GE, either, and have already stated my feelings on Greyroofoo.

[Alan T]

That may be so. We have been known to get two sides, both good, confused, and ended up killing both. But there is contradictory information here, so someone was lying today. And the guy who died was good. Stands to reason those so stridently against him will be very suspicious.

I should note I have not abandoned my suspicion of GE, either, and have already stated my feelings on Greyroofoo.


I know nothing of GE, Greyroofoo, or twothree. So I won't advise people to vote for or against them. I will say voting for a known 100% good guy in saldana is a bad choice.

[BrianD]

Im not sure lynching me would be as bad of a mistake as saldana, but you would be killing someone good. If you had to choose between saldana and me, its probably best to lynch me as my worth isnt as high as his. However it still would be a mistake.

How can your worth not be as high as his if you can identify people that are on the emperor's side?

[Chief Rum]

I know nothing of GE, Greyroofoo, or twothree. So I won't advise people to vote for or against them. I will say voting for a known 100% good guy in saldana is a bad choice.

The problem is, it is only known by you. No one has corroborated your story or come out and said you are for certain good. How can I assume what you is true, when I have doubts about you?

[Alan T]

How can your worth not be as high as his if you can identify people that are on the emperor's side?


He says he is a witness, that to me is a pretty valuable role compared to mine which is passive and at the mercy of tanglewood's PMs

[st.cronin]

Witness is normally a one-time thing.

[Alan T]

The problem is, it is only known by you. No one has corroborated your story or come out and said you are for certain good. How can I assume what you is true, when I have doubts about you?


All I can say is if you continue down this path, we'll lose 2 more days of good guy lynchings that we don't learn anything from as the wolves let us do the work for them.

[Swaggs]

Witness is normally a one-time thing.

In my experience, the witness can pick one person to trail each night and learn from their actions.

[Alan T]

In my experience, the witness can pick one person to trail each night and learn from their actions.


Thats my experience too. I have no idea if thats not the case here, but I assume it is.

[st.cronin]

In my experience, the witness can pick one person to trail each night and learn from their actions.

That's NOT the way saldana described his role. He was very specific about that point.

[Chief Rum]

All I can say is if you continue down this path, we'll lose 2 more days of good guy lynchings that we don't learn anything from as the wolves let us do the work for them.

Well, let's follow the path then, going with the assumption you are good, and the PM you received is true.

That means that saldana is good, and is a witness. And he witnessed Blade meeting with someone.

Blade stated that he did not meet anyone, only going on comlink. And he was good. If he was good, why would he lie about meeting someone? Is he protecting someone's identity from wolves? Or if he was telling the truth (likely, since he was good), why the discrepancy between his and saldana's accounts?

[st.cronin]

Now that I think about it, I think we need to kill saldana tomorrow.

[Alan T]

Well, let's follow the path then, going with the assumption you are good, and the PM you received is true.

That means that saldana is good, and is a witness. And he witnessed Blade meeting with someone.

Blade stated that he did not meet anyone, only going on comlink. And he was good. If he was good, why would he lie about meeting someone? Is he protecting someone's identity from wolves? Or if he was telling the truth (likely, since he was good), why the discrepancy between his and saldana's accounts?


Thats one of the things I would like to ask Blade when this game is over. I dont understand why his story was all weird if he truly was good.

[Swaggs]

I get a bad vibe from all of this.

I don't think Alan would stand up for sal, the way he has, if they were chaos or mutant.

Blade always plays a chaotic game, so his actions don't really surprise me too much. His hand is usually the entire deck and he throws it all out at once and sees what sticks. It didn't work tonight, obviously.

GE seems to be taking a page from Blade's book and throwing a lot out. I can't tell if his accusations/assertions are fact or speculation, but the substance doesn't seem to be there to back him up right now. But again, I don't know why he would make himself so visible if he was on the chaos/mutant side.

Just a strange game so far. It seems like there has been a lot of baseless confrontation here. Alan has at least presented some testimony (whether you believe it or not is up to you--I personally do). GE seems to have some concerns, but hasn't really revealed its sources (not that I am asking him to). It seems to me that there is a decent chance we are barking up two wrong trees here.

[GoldenEagle]

I do not see how we can just turn an blind eye toward Alan T and saldana. They said Blade was bad. It tunrs out he was good. Blade claimed to be the body guard. It would make sense for the chaos to take out the body guard and if they could get our own kind to take him out then that would just be a plus.

If a major role player is killed tonight, then it has to frame Alan T and saldana.

[BrianD]

He says he is a witness, that to me is a pretty valuable role compared to mine which is passive and at the mercy of tanglewood's PMs

Not so valuable this time around... We'll see what happens from here.

[Swaggs]

I do not see how we can just turn an blind eye toward Alan T and saldana. They said Blade was bad. It tunrs out he was good. Blade claimed to be the body guard. It would make sense for the chaos to take out the body guard and if they could get our own kind to take him out then that would just be a plus.

If a major role player is killed tonight, then it has to frame Alan T and saldana.

It isn't so much a blind eye, but why would Alan out himself when saldana comes under fire? Assuming the Chaos/mutants each have 2-3 members, why expose both? It is either a very risky play by Alan or he was trying to help us avoid making a mistake.

[Chief Rum]

It isn't so much a blind eye, but why would Alan out himself when saldana comes under fire? Assuming the Chaos/mutants each have 2-3 members, why expose both? It is either a very risky play by Alan or he was trying to help us avoid making a mistake.

Do you have a timeline for that? I had to glaze over things, but my impression was that Alan came out in support of saldana unbidden, before saldana had received any heat.

[Alan T]

Do you have a timeline for that? I had to glaze over things, but my impression was that Alan came out in support of saldana unbidden, before saldana had received any heat.


No, I didnt say anything until Blade came out and called Saldana a wolf which I know him not to be

[BrianD]

Do you have a timeline for that? I had to glaze over things, but my impression was that Alan came out in support of saldana unbidden, before saldana had received any heat.

I seem to remember Sal voted for Blade, Blade voted for Sal, and Alan came out in support of Sal. Feel free to correct me if I got this wrong.

[Swaggs]

Do you have a timeline for that? I had to glaze over things, but my impression was that Alan came out in support of saldana unbidden, before saldana had received any heat.

Not really. I just speed read through about 7 pages so I could vote on time.

[Alan T]

I seem to remember Sal voted for Blade, Blade voted for Sal, and Alan came out in support of Sal. Feel free to correct me if I got this wrong.


You were close to right. I would have been fine with Blade voting him back because he was wrong. But blade came out denying everything and calling him a wolf. I didnt and honestly still don't understand how blade could be good with what I know.

[Alan T]

post 472 and 474 were their votes. 476 is my response. I was intrigued and wanted to see what was developing. Blade's post 475 is what got me going when he called Saldana a wolf, thats when I came out and told my story.

[st.cronin]

Eerily similiar to last game, in some ways.

[Blade6119]

You have to be kidding me...its like last game all over...

Good luck villagers...

[twothree]

I will say this my role allows me to know that Blade is NOT chaos or a mutant and should be fully trusted.

Well, at least I was proven right. I read the result, and now I am going to go back and read what happened today. Sorry about the outcome Blade. I will probably be laying in a pool of my own blood tommorow morning. (sigh)

[Mustang]

All I know is if Sal is executed tomorrow and turns out to be Chaotic then that makes the next day really easy and Alan will be next.

I think Sal might be a mutant. It is possible to be 100% for the emperor and be a mutant from what I gather. (Note, he said 100% for the emperor.. not 100% Imperial, difference IMO). Being a mutant doesn't mean you wish the emperor to be overthrown, you must want change pushed through..

I think today was just everyone pissing in each others coffee and I think each side felt they were right... Now, just have to determine if we should go a different direction or if Sal should be placed on the block. (Which, I think is going to be a foregone conclusion actually)

[Greyroofoo]

I still think we should be at some of the more non-confrontational people.

[Greyroofoo]

dola
*should be looking at the non-confrontational people

[Alan T]

All I know is if Sal is executed tomorrow and turns out to be Chaotic then that makes the next day really easy and Alan will be next.

I think Sal might be a mutant. It is possible to be 100% for the emperor and be a mutant from what I gather. (Note, he said 100% for the emperor.. not 100% Imperial, difference IMO). Being a mutant doesn't mean you wish the emperor to be overthrown, you must want change pushed through..

I think today was just everyone pissing in each others coffee and I think each side felt they were right... Now, just have to determine if we should go a different direction or if Sal should be placed on the block. (Which, I think is going to be a foregone conclusion actually)


I was told that I am sure 100% that he is devoted to the emperor. I dont know enough about the story to know if someone can be mutant and devoted to the emperor. All I know is Blade was and still is wrong about Saldana being chaos or a wolf.

[path12]

Blade lynched himself here, and I still say Saldana is 100% on the emperor's side

No. I actually tend to believe you about Saldana, but Blade did NOT lynch himself. You, Saldana and Fouts did that. Your motives may well have been good. The result obviously leaves quite a bit to be desired.

[Mustang]

I was told that I am sure 100% that he is devoted to the emperor. I dont know enough about the story to know if someone can be mutant and devoted to the emperor. All I know is Blade was and still is wrong about Saldana being chaos or a wolf.

I would think so, if Chaos wins, they won't so, they really don't want the emperor overthrown.

Not saying Sal is 100% a mutant but, is a case for you thinking he is 100% for the emperor and he isn't Chaotic.

[Alan T]

No. I actually tend to believe you about Saldana, but Blade did NOT lynch himself. You, Saldana and Fouts did that. Your motives may well have been good. The result obviously leaves quite a bit to be desired.


He was given many opportunities though to present his case, and he chose not to. Maybe I am too close to the situation here, but I just don't see how he didn't seem suspicious with his actions.

[path12]

Do you have a timeline for that? I had to glaze over things, but my impression was that Alan came out in support of saldana unbidden, before saldana had received any heat.

I did a kind of timeline in post 681 (page 14 for me).

[path12]

I still think we should be at some of the more non-confrontational people.

Kind of hard to look at the quiet people when there's a riot goin' on......

[path12]

He was given many opportunities though to present his case, and he chose not to. Maybe I am too close to the situation here, but I just don't see how he didn't seem suspicious with his actions.

Well, he presented his case well enough so that seven of us believed him. I think some folks just find Blade easy to vote for no matter what he says. Which is a shame, because although Blade can be a pain in the ass, he's also a helluva player and a huge help when good.

[path12]

Dola, I mean pain in the ass in the nicest possible way, Blade. ;)

[Alan T]

Well, he presented his case well enough so that seven of us believed him. I think some folks just find Blade easy to vote for no matter what he says. Which is a shame, because although Blade can be a pain in the ass, he's also a helluva player and a huge help when good.


I personally enjoy playing with Blade and have no problems with him. My sole reason for voting him was he was convinced someone I knew was good was bad and didnt back down.

[path12]

I personally enjoy playing with Blade and have no problems with him. My sole reason for voting him was he was convinced someone I knew was good was bad and didnt back down.

I know Alan, I wondered how that was going to read and apologize if it came out wrong. I wasn't really referring to anyone in particular, just reacting to how the last few games have gone with him going out early a lot lately.

When I left my office I was 75% you and Saldana were bad. Catching up to deadline, that number is going down quite a bit. As of this moment I wouldn't vote for either of you tomorrow.

[Chief Rum]

I personally enjoy playing with Blade and have no problems with him. My sole reason for voting him was he was convinced someone I knew was good was bad and didnt back down.

You ever see him back down from anything? He believed what he saw to be the truth, and he was good and devoted to the Emporer. And he's dead because of a crusade you and saldana led against him.

Personally, if I were you, I would try to be coming up with something, anything, to explain how both of your versions (yours/saldana's & Blade's) are true. I mean something besides "don't kill me, I'm good".

[Alan T]

You ever see him back down from anything? He believed what he saw to be the truth, and he was good and devoted to the Emporer. And he's dead because of a crusade you and saldana led against him.

Personally, if I were you, I would try to be coming up with something, anything, to explain how both of your versions (yours/saldana's & Blade's) are true. I mean something besides "don't kill me, I'm good".


Im not going to try to fabricate something just to make Blade's story work with mine. I assume after the game is over, we will figure that all out. I'll keep telling the truth and if that gets me lynched so be it. I'm not going to make up stuff to explain things I don't know. I told you all what I did know and so far I have not been proven wrong. (I still say Saldana is 100% on the emperor's side.)

[Mustang]

I personally enjoy playing with Blade and have no problems with him. My sole reason for voting him was he was convinced someone I knew was good was bad and didnt back down.

If Blade was an Imperial and Sal was a mutant, in his eyes (or whatever his role was), Sal whould be bad and possible Sal would be seen as 'not bad' since he was a mutant.

Although.. if Sal is a mutant, we want him gone. Geez.. I missed the obvious that we want a complete victory and that is to eliminate chaos AND mutants.

Anyone.. anyone.. bueller..

Oh well, 24 hours to hash anything out.

[BrianD]

If Blade was an Imperial and Sal was a mutant, in his eyes (or whatever his role was), Sal whould be bad and possible Sal would be seen as 'not bad' since he was a mutant.


Could you say this again using different words? I didn't quite get where you were going with this.

[path12]

If Blade was an Imperial and Sal was a mutant, in his eyes (or whatever his role was), Sal whould be bad and possible Sal would be seen as 'not bad' since he was a mutant.

Blade never said Saldana was a mutant IIRC. Blade was trying to bait GE and Grey yesterday. He switched to Saldana after Sal said he saw Blade talking to a still unknown person, because Blade knew he never left his residence.

Then everything went to hell and it turned into Blade/Saldana.

[Chief Rum]

If Blade was an Imperial and Sal was a mutant, in his eyes (or whatever his role was), Sal whould be bad and possible Sal would be seen as 'not bad' since he was a mutant.

Although.. if Sal is a mutant, we want him gone. Geez.. I missed the obvious that we want a complete victory and that is to eliminate chaos AND mutants.

Anyone.. anyone.. bueller..

Oh well, 24 hours to hash anything out.

Yup, I noted the complete victory conditions as well, and that's why I originally pushed for GE earlier today. I felt (and still feel) that his Day 1 actions were very odd, but not so much like a wolf. That's why I hypothesized he is a mutant and should be voted for, for lack of another target (at the time). Some continued odd patterns of posting today, along with Blade's revelation of the conversation between Greyroofoo and GE have only added to my suspicions.

That said, I am still not ready to give Alan T/sal a free pass here. Has it occurred to anyone that they may have hatched this whole plan as wolves in PM's, and took a calculated risk by aiming at Blade, whom has been known to be an easy voting target who is not well trusted. If it fails, of course, it could backfire disastrously, but if it succeeds (and it did), Alan and saldana could very well spin it exactly as they are now, setting themselves up as good and wide open. If there are three wolves, too, it wouldn't necessarily end the game to do this, still leaving a possibility for victory even if it fails.

Is it a stretch? Of course. But it is one version of today's events that explains the difference in stories between Blade and saldana--saldana could be lying.

[Chief Rum]

Blade never said Saldana was a mutant IIRC. Blade was trying to bait GE and Grey yesterday. He switched to Saldana after Sal said he saw Blade talking to a still unknown person, because Blade knew he never left his residence.

Then everything went to hell and it turned into Blade/Saldana.

That's another thing I still don't get. How does saldana not know who he followed last night? He said he didn't follow Blade, but the person he followed met Blade. He claimed to not know who he followed. I thought the witness selected who he follows; how would saldana not know this?

Perhaps it's some twist in the witness role for this particular WW game by tanglewood. Or perhaps saldana (and Alan) didn't want to name another player, because they knew doing so would bring on two people discouting their story, instead of just Blade. Blade by himself you can blow by, because people don't trust him in WW games. If Blade and someone else both denied a meeting (presumeably someone with more believability), it would be harder to ward off the naysayers.

[st.cronin]

I'm really puzzled by what happened yesterday. I was as sure that Blade would turn up funky as I've been about somebody in a long time. There were too many holes in his story. I assume that he was probably spinning some shit, and the question is WHY. What happened that night - I would still like to hear more from GE and greyroofoo about that. I would like GE to explain the game mechanic which allowed him to know that Blade was good. I would like to hear more from Alan about why saldana is so important, even though saldana himself said his witness was a 1-time use. I would like to kill some Chaos. But, alas, I wait in my cell with Fouts.

[Chief Rum]

My current suspect list:

1. saldana
2. GE
3. Greyroofoo
4. AlanT (but he jumps to the top if sal turns bad)
5. Fouts
5. bulletsponge (because the bastard keeps voting for me ;) )

I don't have much trust for anyone, but I feel a good level of trust for twothree, st. cronin and path. Although I am not sure I would have put Fouts and st. cronin together in the security chamber.

[st.cronin]

Yup, I noted the complete victory conditions as well, and that's why I originally pushed for GE earlier today. I felt (and still feel) that his Day 1 actions were very odd, but not so much like a wolf. That's why I hypothesized he is a mutant and should be voted for, for lack of another target (at the time). Some continued odd patterns of posting today, along with Blade's revelation of the conversation between Greyroofoo and GE have only added to my suspicions.

That said, I am still not ready to give Alan T/sal a free pass here. Has it occurred to anyone that they may have hatched this whole plan as wolves in PM's, and took a calculated risk by aiming at Blade, whom has been known to be an easy voting target who is not well trusted. If it fails, of course, it could backfire disastrously, but if it succeeds (and it did), Alan and saldana could very well spin it exactly as they are now, setting themselves up as good and wide open. If there are three wolves, too, it wouldn't necessarily end the game to do this, still leaving a possibility for victory even if it fails.

Is it a stretch? Of course. But it is one version of today's events that explains the difference in stories between Blade and saldana--saldana could be lying.

I have thought about this, too. Perhaps saldana/Alan = Chaos, and greyroofoo/GE = mutants?

[Chief Rum]

I have thought about this, too. Perhaps saldana/Alan = Chaos, and greyroofoo/GE = mutants?

In my hypotheses, that is how it would play out. Although the one flaw there is that I don't think mutants can "convert", like you would think Chaos could. After all, either you are a mutant or you are not. So if GE and greyroofoo are mutants, then that meeting wasn't about converting. And if it wasn't about converting, what the heck was it about?

[st.cronin]

My current suspect list:

1. saldana
2. GE
3. Greyroofoo
4. AlanT (but he jumps to the top if sal turns bad)
5. Fouts
5. bulletsponge (because the bastard keeps voting for me ;) )

I don't have much trust for anyone, but I feel a good level of trust for twothree, st. cronin and path. Although I am not sure I would have put Fouts and st. cronin together in the security chamber.

Why Fouts? And why do you trust path? Path has twice made what I consider to be an odd move.

[Chief Rum]

Why Fouts? And why do you trust path? Path has twice made what I consider to be an odd move.

I would have to go back and look to be sure, but my impression is that Fouts was vocal earleir today in support of sal and Alan. He did vote for Blade, and was the tiebreaker that got Blade killed.

path is just a hunch, really. He voted for greyroofoo, who was probably my primary suspect today if I didn't feel responsibility to participate in the close vote so close to the deadline (I didn't want to hide from the Blade/sal debate). He has also made some comments and observations that I tend to agree with, so maybe it's as simple as he thinks like me AND I am good SO he must be good. My trust in path is weaker than it is with you and twothree.

[BrianD]

In my hypotheses, that is how it would play out. Although the one flaw there is that I don't think mutants can "convert", like you would think Chaos could. After all, either you are a mutant or you are not. So if GE and greyroofoo are mutants, then that meeting wasn't about converting. And if it wasn't about converting, what the heck was it about?

Could one of them have been giving instructions to the other?

[twothree]

Finally got caught up. My head is spinning. Chaos is mighty strong in this game of Werewolf. I applaud whoever is behind all of it. Even if it turns out to be the villagers causing the chaos.

I would like to point out that saldana was the first to vote for Realdeal on day 1 and lobbied for his execution. Result realdeal the invulnerable to night kills player was executed and was an imperium. Then on day 2 saldana was the first to vote for blade and lobbied for his execution. Result Blade the bodyguard was executed and turned out to be an imperium. Remember this for later everbody.

Having wrote that, I will not be voting for saldana tommorrow. I will be casting my vote for greyroofoo, who tried to meet with GoldenEagle and possibly tried to convert him.

[Chief Rum]

Could one of them have been giving instructions to the other?

Hmm, maybe. Can mutants communicate via PM? I would guess that that bit about the mental psyker suggests no, that it is a one time per night thing. But then, if you can communicate telepathically (isn't that what psykers do, someone who knows this universe confirm please, Mustang?), would you bother to meet in person?

I think another possibility is that greyroofoo might be a wolf, and the wolves decided that GE acted odd enough to be a potential target for conversion. In that way, a conversion could happen--convert GE into a Chaos mutant (and how F'd up would that be?).

But that's just speculation out of my ass, I will admit. That meeting between GE and greyroofoo is really odd, and I don't buy their explanation for a minute.

[Alan T]

I will say, if Saldana ends up being against the Emperor, lynch me. Since my usefulness is zilch. The only information I have provided so far in this game is that killing him would be bad. If that information is wrong, what good am I?

[Fouts]

Well, it appears we were duped. Blade's story was so crappy that I didn't think there was a way for it to be the truth.

Some people are holding back information, which isn't helping us. Waiting until the deadline to post you know somebody is good doesn't help.

If you want to lynch me over the blade kill, go ahead. My only usefulness is in the tiebreakers. I'm going to try and stay low tomorrow and let somebody else take the lead. I royally screwed this one up.

[bulletsponge]

I will say, if Saldana ends up being against the Emperor, lynch me. Since my usefulness is zilch. The only information I have provided so far in this game is that killing him would be bad. If that information is wrong, what good am I?

for all we know, your a badie who scaned him somehow, found oput he was a goodguy and is now hiding behind him. if things went bad today or tomorow Sal would get the axe first most likely, he would turn up good, thus making you look better.

[Mustang]

As a note, psykers abilities aren't limited to items just as being psychic and communicating. There are alot of different abilities that can be done by a psyker depending on what they are. For example, Chaos psykers could summon demons while other races just may use their abilities for a defensives nature. Essentially, psykers are magic users (in a way). It is also possible for a psyker to be demonically possessed or even go insane. As a further note, the Astronomican is essentially a large group of strong psykers that allow for faster than light communication and are attached to the emperor...

[st.cronin]

Golden Eagle and greyroofoo really need to explain themselves, I think.

[BrianD]

Having wrote that, I will not be voting for saldana tommorrow. I will be casting my vote for greyroofoo, who tried to meet with GoldenEagle and possibly tried to convert him.

I don't think Grey tried to convert GE. If Blade can be believed (which he probably now can), he was standing watch over GE last night. If Grey was going there to convert GE, the bodyguard should have worked to fend him off. I'm believing that Grey and GE are already on the same team. That is the only way it makes sense that he got past the bodyguard. I'm just not sure which team they are on.

[BrianD]

Golden Eagle and greyroofoo really need to explain themselves, I think.

I would concur.

[Mustang]

Could you say this again using different words? I didn't quite get where you were going with this.

I meant that it was possible that Blade was right in that Sal was bad. (mutants and chaos are both bad to the Imperials)

It could also mean that, if scanned, Sal could be viewed as 'For the Emperor'.

Hope that makes a little more sense...

I thought before that maybe this was the case going on that one group was a mutant and one group good. Although.. it is still a hunch but, the above case could explain alot more.

And, if it is the case, I would have to vote Sal tomorrow as it stands.

[st.cronin]

I don't think Grey tried to convert GE. If Blade can be believed (which he probably now can), he was standing watch over GE last night. If Grey was going there to convert GE, the bodyguard should have worked to fend him off. I'm believing that Grey and GE are already on the same team. That is the only way it makes sense that he got past the bodyguard. I'm just not sure which team they are on.

There is a certain logic to that. Is it possible in this scenario that AlanT and saldana are telling the truth? Is there any way to make that fit?

[Mustang]

Note: I know I'm taking alot of liberties here in trying to explain what was happening today and just coming up with one possible scenario... Could just be waaaaay overthinking it. (Don't we all have the tendency to do that..)

[Fouts]

How did twothree and GE know that blade was good? Can anyone explain that?

[st.cronin]

Also I'm pretty sure that greyroofoo and GE have given conflicting accounts of their meeting ... which is really pretty mind blowing when you think about it.

[Fouts]

Also I'm pretty sure that greyroofoo and GE have given conflicting accounts of their meeting ... which is really pretty mind blowing when you think about it.

Misinformation works against us, I don't know what they are doing. Too many shady people in this game.

[Mustang]

How did twothree and GE know that blade was good? Can anyone explain that?

Personally.. no idea. Not this many people can have this many roles but, sure alot of people that 'know' everything about alot of people.

[st.cronin]

Misinformation works against us, I don't know what they are doing. Too many shady people in this game.


I agree. Question for you: If you were path, what would you have done night 1?

[Fouts]

I agree. Question for you: If you were path, what would you have done night 1?

Well after day 1 I thought the most important person was GE. I'm not sure what your role does. I haven't had any problems with path's choices though. His job is pretty difficult.

[st.cronin]

Well after day 1 I thought the most important person was GE. I'm not sure what your role does. I haven't had any problems with path's choices though. His job is pretty difficult.

I'm just surprised that he hasn't locked himself up. That would have been my night 1 move.

[Fouts]

I'm just surprised that he hasn't locked himself up. That would have been my night 1 move.

Good point. He trusts you enough to keep you safe, but not alone with him. :)

[st.cronin]

Golden Eagle is in thread and still refusing to explain himself.

[Fouts]

saldana has been sitting in the thread for a long time, too. I wish we could PM each other since we're locked up together.

[st.cronin]

Hopefully morning brings some solid, trustworthy information.

[path12]

I'm just surprised that he hasn't locked himself up. That would have been my night 1 move.

I thought of that, but what really happened was this. It was originally going to be you and one other person who shall remain nameless. This other person would not have been able to use his night action if he had been in the cell. I discovered this very near my deadline. So I removed him and decided that I didn't trust anyone enough to be put in with you and frankly at that deadline didn't think of putting myself in.

I may have to cancel some night actions in the future though now that our bodyguard is dead.

[path12]

Dola, that first part should read 'I thought of that after the fact,'

[path12]

How did twothree and GE know that blade was good? Can anyone explain that?

It was explained at the time, but I'll wait until after morning to discuss it further.

[path12]

Good point. He trusts you enough to keep you safe, but not alone with him. :)

For the delayed quadruple dola, there's truth to this statement. That's partly why you're both in there together.

[Abe Sargent]

Geez. Blade was good, and I'm not sure I understand the swing to him. path pointed out the discrepancy between AlanT's statement and saldana's. Do we really need to look further?

[Chief Rum]

Well, I must leave again for the day for work (I will be back shortly before deadline), so I will place a vote for now. I may change it when I com back, but right now he seems the best candidate.

VOTE SALDANA

[Greyroofoo]

Since blade was good, certaintly I wouldn't have been allowed into GE room with his guards there if I was bad would I?


Yes I know I voted for Blade, but only because I had the assumption that the Space Marines guarding GE could not be Blades as commander of the Imperial Guard.

[BrianD]

I meant that it was possible that Blade was right in that Sal was bad. (mutants and chaos are both bad to the Imperials)

It could also mean that, if scanned, Sal could be viewed as 'For the Emperor'.

Hope that makes a little more sense...

I thought before that maybe this was the case going on that one group was a mutant and one group good. Although.. it is still a hunch but, the above case could explain alot more.

And, if it is the case, I would have to vote Sal tomorrow as it stands.

Ok, I understood you that time. The first post had too many pronouns and I got lost. :)

It is very possible that Sal is a mutant. He may very well show up as "for the emperor" that way. The thing that worries me though is that Blade voted for Sal only because Sal voted for him. This wasn't a case of Blade trying to deflect scrutiny back on the guy that voted for him, this was a case of Blade knowing he was good and anyone that votes for him must be bad. Sal may have made a bad vote and got caught up in the emotion...or he may be bad. I'm pretty torn at this point.

[BrianD]

Since blade was good, certaintly I wouldn't have been allowed into GE room with his guards there if I was bad would I?


Yes I know I voted for Blade, but only because I had the assumption that the Space Marines guarding GE could not be Blades as commander of the Imperial Guard.

I'm still on the fence with that one. I believe you are on the same team as GE or the bodyguard would have stopped you. I don't think you were on a mission to kill/convert him. I'm just not sure if a good bodyguard would let you through if you were bad and trying to talk to another bad guy. I could see that one going either way...

[Alan T]

Look guys, I can't tell you what happened with the discrepencies between Saldana and Blade. I honestly don't know what happened there, but it was unfortunate for us that it did.

You really need to listen to me, do NOT lynch Saldana. We have a Circle of trust starting, and just because you are not in it, does not mean it does not exist.

Its a Circle of trust of people loyal to the emperor 100%. There currently are 3 people in the circle of trust, with whoever it was added last night will be speaking up today. Just because we were unlucky with what happened with Blade is no excuse to start killing off the only CoT that we have going.

We can win this game, but we can't if we kill off people who are known loyal to the emperor. Just give it some time, I bet someone new will speak up backing Saldana today pretty strongly. Just be patient.

[twothree]

Just be patient.

If I don't end up dead this morning, I will have some information to share.

[tanglewood]

You awake once more and all duly tridge into the council chamber, with a heavier heart than the previous two days. However it is apparent that one of you is missing from the previous day, and not just Blade. A quick roll call finds SirFozzie, one of the Inquisitors, absent. A quick search of his room finds nothing, but then one of the Council servants rushes up to the members and stammers that he found an unspeakable sight in one of the corridors. There, SirFozzie's body is sprawled on the floor, sliced open by innumerable cuts and slashes. Today does not seem like a good day already.

Day 3 deadline is 9PM EST

[Fouts]

Cuts and slashes huh? Hmmmm.

[BrianD]

So we've got our first Chaos kill (I'm assuming), and we are down three people. Strange that there was no mention of his mutant/non-mutant status. Do we assume that no indication means non-mutant, or do we not get to know after Chaos kills?

[Swaggs]

RIP Foz. :(

I am taking off until after 5, so won't be around a whole lot until this evening. I may have something to add tonight, depending on what all we learn today. I am hoping some folks figured out some leads last night that will help piece things together.

[Swaggs]

So we've got our first Chaos kill (I'm assuming), and we are down three people. Strange that there was no mention of his mutant/non-mutant status. Do we assume that no indication means non-mutant, or do we not get to know after Chaos kills?

I would think that once tangle updates post #1, it will say whether or not he was a human or mutant. I'm guessing human by the lack of mention, though.

[tanglewood]

I would think that once tangle updates post #1, it will say whether or not he was a human or mutant. I'm guessing human by the lack of mention, though.

SirFozzie was a loyal human.

[twothree]

It may be stupid to reveal my role, but I think I have given enough hints for most people to figure it out.

I have been able to calibrate the Astronomican to not only search for chaos in the warp, but to also search for signs of chaos and mutations among our council. Once a night, I am able to scan somebody. And, in the morning I will learn if they are normal or abnormal.

On the first night, I chose Blade. His actions on the first day made be suspicious. The Astronomican registered that he was normal. I would have kept that information to myself. However, once Blade became a target I chose to reveal him as normal. I knew I would not be around when the vote took place, so I sided with Blade and voted for Saldana.

Tonight, based upon looking over who has been staying in the background. I trained my Astronomican on Anxiety. It came back with a reading of abnormal. Anxiety is not normal. I don't know anything about anyone else.

vote Anxiety

I will be here all day and definitely during the last hour or two before the vote. If Anxiety is executed tonight and is shown to not be normal, hopefully that will back up everything I have said so far.

My ability is now in the hands of the council. Besides voting for someone to execute, if you wish you may vote on someone you wish for me to examine with the Astronomican during the night action. I will follow the wishes of the council and will examine whom ever receives the most votes. Either Fouts will break the tie if he so chooses or if he does not I will.

Since I don't want to confuse the two votes. Please type

scan name

subsituting a name of a coucil member for 'name'.

[Alan T]

vote anxiety

[twothree]

Geez. Blade was good, and I'm not sure I understand the swing to him. path pointed out the discrepancy between AlanT's statement and saldana's. Do we really need to look further?

I think we do. :D

[GoldenEagle]

The whole twothree story makes little sense to me. Why is he revealing himself as a seer? Do we know if Anxiety is a mutant or chaos. Perhaps twothree is trying to trick is to killing off a mutant. It just does not make any sense. If he is human, he will be dead in the morning (twothree that is).

We need to really look hard into the Alan T/sadlana situation. I said yesterday that their stories just do not add up. But there is no reason for us to assume that they are chaos. In fact, my opinion is that they may be mutants, but I do not think they are chaos.

I think we need to go with a whole different direction with our voting. I am not sure if Anxiety is the one, but I am willing to consider it. I also want to bring up the name Fouts. His actions have been mighty suspicious so far.

[BrianD]

I was assuming that twothree would be able to scan for Chaos, so I'm willing to believe him. I don't know if the scan would also help to find mutants, but killing either is obviously better than killing a loyal human.

Vote Anxiety

[twothree]

The whole twothree story makes little sense to me. Why is he revealing himself as a seer? Do we know if Anxiety is a mutant or chaos. Perhaps twothree is trying to trick is to killing off a mutant. It just does not make any sense. If he is human, he will be dead in the morning (twothree that is).

I am revealing, because every turn I feel I will be dead in the morning. I want to make sure I have given everyone all the information that I know. So that the better village players can use that information to their advantage.

I am unable to tell if a player is chaos or a mutant. I can only tell if they are abnormal.

[Abe Sargent]

Well, twothree, I guess I need to role reveal now :)

Because of my super-psyker abilities, I am a soothsayer, or whatever that role is usually called. (It was called soothsayer in my only other game that used it). I can analyze any statement made and check it against whatthe person beleives.

Yesterday, I asked Blade to verify in a post whether he was chaos or a mutant. He said that he was not. I then asked tangle to use that as my Psyker ability and he agreed. It came back that Blade beleived his statement.

Unfortunately, due to a headache and my severe training schedule this week, I feel asleep last night without being able to save Blade and I didn;t awaken until a little after four this morning.

I beleive I scanned as abnormal because of my psyker status. My limited understanding of this universe and my role info seems to indicate that humans with psyker abilities (which I am the head psyker) have an altered status. I believe that is what you sensed.

However, I wouldn't blame you for thinking otherwise. I have nobody to confirm my role, since I am only the soothsayer, and I can't use my ability again for three days.

-Anxiety

[BrianD]

The whole twothree story makes little sense to me. Why is he revealing himself as a seer? Do we know if Anxiety is a mutant or chaos. Perhaps twothree is trying to trick is to killing off a mutant. It just does not make any sense. If he is human, he will be dead in the morning (twothree that is).

We need to really look hard into the Alan T/sadlana situation. I said yesterday that their stories just do not add up. But there is no reason for us to assume that they are chaos. In fact, my opinion is that they may be mutants, but I do not think they are chaos.

I think we need to go with a whole different direction with our voting. I am not sure if Anxiety is the one, but I am willing to consider it. I also want to bring up the name Fouts. His actions have been mighty suspicious so far.

You may be right that Saldana/Alan are mutants, and if they are, we'll deal with them in time. Having a fairly strong indication that Anxiety (who has been pretty quiet) is Chaos is good enough for me. I would guess that twothree is trying to halt this destructive path we've been on by finally giving us a Chaos kill. He knows that he will probably be killed tonight, but if he isn't and Anxiety turns out to be a loyal human, we'll kill twothree tomorrow.

[Abe Sargent]

Anxiety (who has been pretty quiet)


I'm usually quiet in the first few days of any game I'm in, that's standard operating procedure - see the last game or the pharoah game for evidence. In the last game I kept still, and then came in with observations that were dead on target unlike many others who talked too much. I prefer to watch, make observations, and then come in around Day Three with ideas. I think a lot of people commit too early to silly hypothticals and then are slaves to these random ideas.

Add to my normal SOP that Day One was Date Night for the Abe and this week is uber-training week for me, and you can quickly see that my normal SOP migt be a bit quiter. And I was still involved yesterday during the one time when I had a few moments with Blade and Alan T and such.

If you are going to vote for me based on what twothree said, I can accept that, although I think his scan is off, if he has a scan at all. But don;t do it because you think I'm quiet and that's unusual or not helpful.

-Anxiety

[twothree]

I beleive I scanned as abnormal because of my psyker status. My limited understanding of this universe and my role info seems to indicate that humans with psyker abilities (which I am the head psyker) have an altered status. I believe that is what you sensed.

You may be correct. I only can tell if someone is normal or abnormal. That is what my Astronomican could have picked up, but doesn't that make you a mutant?

[saldana]

i realize i am not very popular right now, rightfully so, but i have every reason to believe that twothree is telling the truth

vote anxiety

[Abe Sargent]

You may be correct. I only can tell if someone is normal or abnormal. That is what my Astronomican could have picked up, but doesn't that make you a mutant?


Bsed on the information that I read in my pm about psykers, they are rare altered humans but not mutations. We are distrusted, obviously, but highly trained for diplomacy, theft, infiltration, information gathering, and so forth.

I would assume based on my information that you could have a human psyker, a mutant psyker or a chaos psyker. All would be different than the normal blunt human by virtue of their teep ability.

[BrianD]

I'm usually quiet in the first few days of any game I'm in, that's standard operating procedure - see the last game or the pharoah game for evidence. In the last game I kept still, and then came in with observations that were dead on target unlike many others who talked too much. I prefer to watch, make observations, and then come in around Day Three with ideas. I think a lot of people commit too early to silly hypothticals and then are slaves to these random ideas.

Add to my normal SOP that Day One was Date Night for the Abe and this week is uber-training week for me, and you can quickly see that my normal SOP migt be a bit quiter. And I was still involved yesterday during the one time when I had a few moments with Blade and Alan T and such.

If you are going to vote for me based on what twothree said, I can accept that, although I think his scan is off, if he has a scan at all. But don;t do it because you think I'm quiet and that's unusual or not helpful.

-Anxiety

Fair enough. I haven't played one of these in quite a while (nor have I read any of the others), so I am going completely by what I see in this game. Quietness can be an attempt to hide, or an attempt to get swept up in emotion. The scan is worrisome though...

[Abe Sargent]

I gotta leave - I have another training session at 11:30 (the first was at 8 this morning!). I probably won't be back for a while.

[BrianD]

So, what do we talk about the rest of the day?

[Alan T]

So, what do we talk about the rest of the day?


My earlier post is still something to watch for. I'm 90% sure someone new will come and vouch for Saldana and myself today.

We can try to narrow down what seems to be obvious groups of trust/distrust as well.

We can try to figure out who is staying low hiding behind the riot that happened yesterday.

[twothree]

So, what do we talk about the rest of the day?

You could also discuss who you would like me to scan tonight.

[BrianD]

My earlier post is still something to watch for. I'm 90% sure someone new will come and vouch for Saldana and myself today.

We can try to narrow down what seems to be obvious groups of trust/distrust as well.

We can try to figure out who is staying low hiding behind the riot that happened yesterday.

I don't have any special knowledge, but I am leaning toward trusting you two. I still think the Blade/Saldana rift was started due to incomplete information, so I don't know that we can draw too many conclusions from that. It also seems like you would have to be really dumb to come out in such strong support of Saldana if you were both Chaos. I'm not convinced that you and Saldana are clean, but it may be worthwhile to expand the scrutiny a bit.

[GoldenEagle]

Why? You will be dead before you can scan someone else. This whole twothree thing just does not add up. I have another theroy that I will reveal during my lunch break.

[BrianD]

You could also discuss who you would like me to scan tonight.

We could, but are you going to be around to make the scan? :P

[path12]

Alan visited me last night. I believe he now realizes I am completely loyal to the Emperor.

[path12]

We could, but are you going to be around to make the scan? :P

We've got the cell. But that could also prevent him from scanning.

[path12]

Since twothree is one of the very few players I have any sort of trust level for in this game, for now I'm willing to:

VOTE ANXIETY

[twothree]

We could, but are you going to be around to make the scan? :P

True. :) I guess I shouldn't go to sleep tonight.

[Alan T]

We've got the cell. But that could also prevent him from scanning.


I think you should put me in there with St.cronin

[BrianD]

True. :) I guess I shouldn't go to sleep tonight.

You know what would be really helpful right now? A bodyguard. :)

[twothree]

We've got the cell. But that could also prevent him from scanning.

I figured it probably would prevent any interection between those inside it and those outside it. I guess I might try that out tonight, if no one votes for me to scan anyone. Just to see if it will work.

I have to go to the Astronomican to scan someone. I don't physically have to get near anyone to scan them.

[path12]

I figured it probably would prevent any interection between those inside it and those outside it. I guess I might try that out tonight, if no one votes for me to scan anyone. Just to see if it will work.

I have to go to the Astronomican to scan someone. I don't physically have to get near anyone to scan them.

You were the person I originally planned to put in the cell with cronin night 1, but was informed that you had to be near the Astronomican to use it, so revised my orders.

You might die tonight, but if you got us a Chaos you've done your job.

[path12]

GE, do you have to be in proximity to smell or whatever it is you do?

[BrianD]

Further fuel for the Saldana/AlanT debate...Anxiety voted for Saldana yesterday, and his vote was there while those of us that voted for Grey could have easily switched to Saldana to break the tie. If we do lynch Anxiety tonight, I think we can be pretty sure that Anxiety and Saldana are not on the same team.

[twothree]

Why? You will be dead before you can scan someone else. This whole twothree thing just does not add up. I have another theroy that I will reveal during my lunch break.

Can't wait to read it. I have been doing what-if scenarios myself. Like what if you don't know if you are a mutant or chaos. Or, what if my ability can be trumpt by another ability giving me inaccurate information. Or, what if I hadn't said anything to begin the day, but waited to see what other information came to light first. I should have probably waited on the reveal. Guess I was too eager as a new werewolf player.

I do find it rather interesting, that so far it seems that everyone's role description from the initial write up has been fairly accurate.

[twothree]

dola

er, trumpt = trumped

[Alan T]

Path, I still like my idea for who should go in the cell tonight.

Just my opinion though, whatever its worth.

[kingfc22]

Vote Anxiety

I have no reason to doubt twothree right now. After sleeping on it, I believe that Alan T is telling the truth about wanting people to be loyal to the Emperor. This would make saldana likely good as well unless he has a cunning characteristic to his role.

Making my current circle of trust:
St. Cronin
Alan T


Almost there:
Saldana

[Alan T]

twothree, people I would consider you should scan tonight would be:

kingfc22
greyroofoo
goldeneagle
bulletsponge
chiefrum
mustang
briand
swaggs

Sorry its a long list, I'm still a bit lost.. but I would choose one of those people to scan tonight.

[path12]

Further fuel for the Saldana/AlanT debate...Anxiety voted for Saldana yesterday, and his vote was there while those of us that voted for Grey could have easily switched to Saldana to break the tie. If we do lynch Anxiety tonight, I think we can be pretty sure that Anxiety and Saldana are not on the same team.

I'm not sure where I stand on those two (Alan/Saldana) right now. As I mentioned last night, when I left my office I was almost positive they were bad. Reading along later I started to waver just because of how they seemed so certain about it and were putting their necks so far out on the line.

And now Alan has visited me and was rather insistent in determining my faith in the Emperor. I did not get any info in my PM that would tell me one way or another if he was bad, but the fact that we sparred about the lynch last night and having him decide to visit me strikes me as someone who is trying to figure out what's going on here rather than pulling the strings.

Then again, this game just makes you silly with the speculation.

[Alan T]

twothree, people I would consider you should scan tonight would be:

kingfc22
greyroofoo
goldeneagle
bulletsponge
chiefrum
mustang
briand
swaggs

Sorry its a long list, I'm still a bit lost.. but I would choose one of those people to scan tonight.

Dola, you might want to scan greyroofoo out of these. Not sure what he was up to when he visited Goldeneagle, but if we are to assume you are the seer, Saldana was the witness, Blade was the bodyguard, Bullet is the assassin... well we are running out of roles that would have him out at night.

[path12]

Path, I still like my idea for who should go in the cell tonight.

Just my opinion though, whatever its worth.

I don't think it's a bad idea either. Let's see how the day goes.

[Alan T]

dola dola... Actually if you scan greyroofoo and he ends up being bad or abnormal, it can say alot about goldeneagle who he visited the night before.

[path12]

Making my current circle of trust:
St. Cronin
Alan T

Almost there:
Saldana

Why cronin?

[path12]

dola dola... Actually if you scan greyroofoo and he ends up being bad or abnormal, it can say alot about goldeneagle who he visited the night before.

Grey would be my first choice as well.

[Mustang]

Could be a very quiet & quick day today..

[twothree]

Sorry its a long list, I'm still a bit lost.. but I would choose one of those people to scan tonight.

It's shorter than my list. I was hoping to be able to scan a few normals while keeping that information to myself. And, then once I had three normals identified reveal that information to everyone, so that a COT could be developed. Or at least that was my initial strategy. That plan failed.

[Mustang]

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[GoldenEagle]

Does anyone else think what twothree is doing is a bit odd? At no point did anyone mentioning him being a seer. He was not a target for the chaos. Now, out of the gray sky, he comes out and claims he is a seer. He says he is afraid he will be killed in the morning. It is a trap.

At this point, the chaos would gladly trade 1 for 1, especially if they could nab the human seer in the process. They probably know that Anxiety has some kind of special powers. If they can get him lynched by the villagers, then they are in good shape. If Anxiety comes up clean, then twothree knows he will be lynched tomorrow.

But the real target here is the human seer. Fouts, st. cronin, and twothree have practically been practically begging for the human seer. They took out Sir Fozzie last night hoping he was it. When that plan failed, they resulted to plan B by having one of their own come forward and say he is the human seer.

Add it all up, it makes no sense that twothree is a seer.

[Alan T]

Does anyone else think what twothree is doing is a bit odd? At no point did anyone mentioning him being a seer. He was not a target for the chaos. Now, out of the gray sky, he comes out and claims he is a seer. He says he is afraid he will be killed in the morning. It is a trap.

At this point, the chaos would gladly trade 1 for 1, especially if they could nab the human seer in the process. They probably know that Anxiety has some kind of special powers. If they can get him lynched by the villagers, then they are in good shape. If Anxiety comes up clean, then twothree knows he will be lynched tomorrow.

But the real target here is the human seer. Fouts, st. cronin, and twothree have practically been practically begging for the human seer. They took out Sir Fozzie last night hoping he was it. When that plan failed, they resulted to plan B by having one of their own come forward and say he is the human seer.

Add it all up, it makes no sense that twothree is a seer.

Its all possible, but right now I think we have to go on the assumption that he is the seer. Typically in these cases if the person he points out ends up not being a mutant or chaos then it looks really bad on them the next day.

[GoldenEagle]

Its all possible, but right now I think we have to go on the assumption that he is the seer. Typically in these cases if the person he points out ends up not being a mutant or chaos then it looks really bad on them the next day.

There is no logical explanation for him to come out and say I am the seer. It is nothing but bait.

[Alan T]

There is no logical explanation for him to come out and say I am the seer. It is nothing but bait.


Or an alternate theory might be that he is the seer, he found a bad guy, who happens to be on the same side as Greyfooroo who just happened to pay you a visit night 1 to convert you.

To this point still I have not seen a good explanation on that visit either. We know that night 1 there was no kill which usually is a sign of either deflected attack or conversion. OUr now dead bodyguard did not say anything about deflecting any attack... so what did happen on night 1? Maybe the bad guys took the night off.. I dunno!

[twothree]

Now, out of the gray sky, he comes out and claims he is a seer. He says he is afraid he will be killed in the morning. It is a trap.

Actually, this is my first post after roles were assigned via PM.

As the Master of the Astronomican, I take full responsibility for allowing the Chaos Lords to infiltrate our council's grand hall. I was on my way to report the spike that registered in the Warp, but as you can see I was not fast enough.

Let me remind you that the Astronomican may be our best weapon in the fight against the remaining Chaos Lords. And, I have started an immediate investigation into the possibilities of using the Astronomican to detect the presence of the daemons among us.

[GoldenEagle]

But that tells us nothing. Why are you all the sudden coming out and telling us you are a seer? Do not say that you are afraid you wil be killed tonight or whatever.

<b>Vote twothree</b>

[BrianD]

It seems odd to me that GoldenEagle is coming out so strong against twothree (or for Anxiety). I can see being uneasy about his assertions, but I find it very strange that he jumped straight to voting against twothree.

As far as the big reveal is concerned, RealDeal came out with a big reveal that could easily have waited and got killed for it. Maybe twothree believes that we won't be dumb enough to make that mistake again so he is safe revealing himself. Of course he may be hiding in plain sight figuring we won't kill two (unprovoked) big reveals in a row.

I want to believe that Grey and GE are clean since the bodyguard didn't stop them, but I find GE's vehemence odd...

[twothree]

But that tells us nothing. Why are you all the sudden coming out and telling us you are a seer? Do not say that you are afraid you wil be killed tonight or whatever.

<b>Vote twothree</b>

Thanks for the confirmation. :D Guess I scan greyroofoo tonight.

[Alan T]

It seems odd to me that GoldenEagle is coming out so strong against twothree (or for Anxiety). I can see being uneasy about his assertions, but I find it very strange that he jumped straight to voting against twothree.

As far as the big reveal is concerned, RealDeal came out with a big reveal that could easily have waited and got killed for it. Maybe twothree believes that we won't be dumb enough to make that mistake again so he is safe revealing himself. Of course he may be hiding in plain sight figuring we won't kill two (unprovoked) big reveals in a row.

I want to believe that Grey and GE are clean since the bodyguard didn't stop them, but I find GE's vehemence odd...

Well anxiety's lynching will tell us somewhat about twothree's accuracy here. In cases like this, its usually a pretty straight forward vote for me. Lynch the bad guy, if he ends up not being bad, lynch the person who told me he was bad.

[GoldenEagle]

Well anxiety's lynching will tell us somewhat about twothree's accuracy here. In cases like this, its usually a pretty straight forward vote for me. Lynch the bad guy, if he ends up not being bad, lynch the person who told me he was bad.

If Anxety's has the powers he claims to has, then us lynching him would be a huge, huge mistake. Add things up here. What exactly has twothree done to gain your trust?

[BrianD]

Well anxiety's lynching will tell us somewhat about twothree's accuracy here. In cases like this, its usually a pretty straight forward vote for me. Lynch the bad guy, if he ends up not being bad, lynch the person who told me he was bad.

I agree that twothree gets strung up if Anxiety turns out to not be bad, I'm just always interested in what happens around these "sure thing" votes.

If I had to vote on the scan, I'd pick GE, though if Grey had found out that GE was bad from his visit, I would think he'd tell us.

[path12]

The further GE pushes this the further up my list he goes. Are you saying that you're the true seer, GE? Is that why you're so anti-twothree? Is it because he's pointed Anxiety out?

I don't have high hopes of getting straight answers from you on any of this at this point, unfortunately.

[Alan T]

I agree that twothree gets strung up if Anxiety turns out to not be bad, I'm just always interested in what happens around these "sure thing" votes.

If I had to vote on the scan, I'd pick GE, though if Grey had found out that GE was bad from his visit, I would think he'd tell us.


Well I don't know if Greg and GE are good or bad. I just find it amazing the things that GE has thrown out this game without any great answer for them. I figured I would just toss this out as a possible scenerio. If it is true though, then it would tell me that Grey is more dangerous than GE as Grey has the ability to convert. Possibly every 3 days maybe? or possibly a 1 time use. So if they are both bad, we would need to elminate Grey first then GE.

Thats if they are bad.

[Alan T]

If Anxety's has the powers he claims to has, then us lynching him would be a huge, huge mistake. Add things up here. What exactly has twothree done to gain your trust?


twothree isnt in my trust really. He was right about Blade, but wolves have the luxury of knowing who is good where we don't. He will gain my trust if Anxiety ends up bad. If Anxiety is not bad, then it settles that.

[path12]

If Anxety's has the powers he claims to has, then us lynching him would be a huge, huge mistake. Add things up here. What exactly has twothree done to gain your trust?

I forget what Anxiety said his powers were, have to go back and check on that.

This question can be easily turned around though -- what have you done to gain our trust? Certainly no more than twothree.

[BrianD]

What exactly has twothree done to gain your trust?

About as much as Anxiety has done. Though twothree didn't come out with a convenient story of "knowing" that Blade was good but forgetting to mention it. I understand the headache (hope he doesn't suffer from migraines..they suck) and busy schedule, but it just seems to convenient. Any one of the non-voters could say that they knew Blade was good but forgot to mention it.

[Alan T]

I forget what Anxiety said his powers were, have to go back and check on that.

This question can be easily turned around though -- what have you done to gain our trust? Certainly no more than twothree.


Anxiety said he was the soothsayer. He said he used it on Blade and found Blade telling the truth.

The only problem with his story is he sure did not let the rest of us know. He inconvienantly or convienantly didn't make it back in time to save Blade's life.

So basically its a story that may or may not be true, but his one chance to save a villager and confirm his role was wasted.

[path12]

Having wrote that, I will not be voting for saldana tommorrow. I will be casting my vote for greyroofoo, who tried to meet with GoldenEagle and possibly tried to convert him.

Looking back to find Anxiety's post about his powers I found this from last night. twothree didn't mention Anx in here at all, but of course this was before the night actions were completed. I think it helps his story a little bit.

[BrianD]

Well I don't know if Greg and GE are good or bad. I just find it amazing the things that GE has thrown out this game without any great answer for them. I figured I would just toss this out as a possible scenerio. If it is true though, then it would tell me that Grey is more dangerous than GE as Grey has the ability to convert. Possibly every 3 days maybe? or possibly a 1 time use. So if they are both bad, we would need to elminate Grey first then GE.

Thats if they are bad.

I don't disagree with your reasoning, but if Grey did go to convert GE, why didn't the bodyguard stop him? Is there any way it would make sense to have a bodyguard that couldn't stop this?

[Alan T]

I don't disagree with your reasoning, but if Grey did go to convert GE, why didn't the bodyguard stop him? Is there any way it would make sense to have a bodyguard that couldn't stop this?


There is alot to this game that I don't quite understand right now. perhaps its my lack of understanding about this universe, but alot still confusing in my mind.

[path12]

I don't disagree with your reasoning, but if Grey did go to convert GE, why didn't the bodyguard stop him? Is there any way it would make sense to have a bodyguard that couldn't stop this?

Sometimes there is a mechanic where BG protection is not 100%. We may have gotten a bad die roll.

[GoldenEagle]

Lets take a look at the voting history. Twothree voted for Anxiety on day 1. Did he "see" him then? On day 2, he voted for saldana. We still do not know if saldana is clean or not.

But the most damning evidence against him is that he just came out and said I am the seer. In what universe does that play make sense? How can you trust someone like that?

[Alan T]

Looking back to find Anxiety's post about his powers I found this from last night. twothree didn't mention Anx in here at all, but of course this was before the night actions were completed. I think it helps his story a little bit.

1 thing that makes me wonder is if he was leaning to voting for grey today, why didn't he scan Grey or GE last night instead of anxiety?

Either way though, only really possible votes I think are based on if you believe twothree or not. if you do, you vote for anxiety, if you don't you vote for twothree.

I think risk/reward though we need to vote for anxiety. If twothree is good and telling the truth, anxiety is bad and needs to die. If Anxiety is good and telling the truth, he's likely a night target soon enough before his power is useful again anyways.

Even though I don't know how much I trust Twothree just yet, I think this vote needs to be on Anxiety.

[path12]

If Anxety's has the powers he claims to has, then us lynching him would be a huge, huge mistake. Add things up here. What exactly has twothree done to gain your trust?

Y'know the other thing about this statement is that even if Anxiety is the soothsayer, he can't use his power again for another three days. Hardly the kind of role where "lynching him would be a huge, huge mistake."

I don't know anyone's alignment for sure, I'm just a warden. But at far as who I trust more due to their actions in this game, I've got twothree with a clear lead over GE for now. If Anxiety is good, that's another story.

[Mustang]

Odd question but, out of all the people, why scan Anxiety? If you are a seer/psyker, was there something I missed that caused you to scan him or was it just a shot in the dark or?

Just curious as he has seemed to be pretty quiet.. (Of course, maybe that was your reason). I would have thought Sal/GE or Gray...

[path12]

1 thing that makes me wonder is if he was leaning to voting for grey today, why didn't he scan Grey or GE last night instead of anxiety?


That's a very good point and I feel silly for not thinking of it.

[GoldenEagle]

How do we know that Grey was not the only one who attempted to visit me that night? Maybe the bodyguard can only stop one attempt? All I know is that Grey came to me and told me information that was 100% true. If he is the human seer, then he twothree is lying because I doubt we have more than one seer.

[Mustang]

That's a very good point and I feel silly for not thinking of it.

*L*

I must have missed that point because I just said the same thing

[GoldenEagle]

This question can be easily turned around though -- what have you done to gain our trust? Certainly no more than twothree.

I have voted for two people who were good. I also said these guys were good yet they were still voted off.

See my post above on twothree's voting record.

[Alan T]

How do we know that Grey was not the only one who attempted to visit me that night? Maybe the bodyguard can only stop one attempt? All I know is that Grey came to me and told me information that was 100% true. If he is the human seer, then he twothree is lying because I doubt we have more than one seer.


Blade would have told us I think if he deflected an attack or stopped an attempt. From what i recall, Blade only mentioned Grey passing through.

Also, can you reword the last part of your statement. I'm not entirely clear on what you are saying, but to me you just did what you were accusing twothree of doing which was so horribly bad.

[Alan T]

I have voted for two people who were good. I also said these guys were good yet they were still voted off.

See my post above on twothree's voting record.


I voted for one human and one person we dont know about yet. Just because I voted for a good guy one day doesn't make me bad. Like I said before, the wolves have the luxury of knowing who is good and bad.

[path12]

I have voted for two people who were good. I also said these guys were good yet they were still voted off.

See my post above on twothree's voting record.

You never spelled anything out that you were 100%. You did say they were good but didn't go to the mat for them, IIRC when you were pressed on it you made it sound like it was more of a hunch than anything.

It is going to take some very straight talk from you to start to gain any trust from me. You've been hiding something this entire game.

[Alan T]

For whatever its worth, day 2 I assumed GE had a particular role, which is why I told Blade he had been acting shady, but sometimes there are good and bad reasons to hide things. Thats why I did not plan on voting GE that day.

Since then, all kinds of chaos has broken loose so I'm not as sure on that anymore. I still think however there is very little reason to not vote for Anxiety today.

[BrianD]

But the most damning evidence against him is that he just came out and said I am the seer. In what universe does that play make sense? How can you trust someone like that?

Actually, I assumed you were a seer of sorts as well. Technically I thought you were a smeller, or able to smell Chaos. Is this not so?

[BrianD]

Since then, all kinds of chaos has broken loose so I'm not as sure on that anymore. I still think however there is very little reason to not vote for Anxiety today.

I tend to agree. Twothree's actions could be a great Chaos ploy if they were about to end the game, but it would be deadly this early.

[GoldenEagle]

I tend to agree. Twothree's actions could be a great Chaos ploy if they were about to end the game, but it would be deadly this early.

I think it is a brilliant move if they can actually get the real human seer to come forward.

[GoldenEagle]

Also, can you reword the last part of your statement. I'm not entirely clear on what you are saying, but to me you just did what you were accusing twothree of doing which was so horribly bad.

I will re-word it a bit. Grey came to me. Blade's body guards let him thorugh which must mean that Grey is good. Grey told me that Blade was clean and he was. How would Grey know that Blade was clean? Put 2 and 2 together here.

Twothree is now coming forward and saying he is the human seer. Do you really think there is more than one human seer?

[BrianD]

I think it is a brilliant move if they can actually get the real human seer to come forward.

Sacrifice one of their own to take out the seer? I could see that as a viable strategy...

[Alan T]

Ok Scenerios:

1) Twothree is telling the truth, Anxiety is telling the truth, Goldeneagle is telling the truth. - We have seen games with multiple seers, maybe this is one of them. Maybe Anxiety is a good guy soothsayer who gives Twothree a strange reading throwing off his scan.. In this case, of the three we should still lynch Anxiety

2) Twothree is telling the truth, Anxiety is lying, GE is telling the truth - Same as before, we have seen games where there have been multiple seers. In this case we would still want to lynch Anxiety

3) Twothree is telling the truth, Anxiety is lying, GE is lying - in this case we want to lynch Anxiety

4) Twothree is lying, anxiety is lying, GE is telling the truth - If GE is the seer or knows who the seer is, this leaves us a weird case of lynching anxiety would clear twothree in some minds. Lynching twothree would clear Anxiety in some minds... Probably still best to lynch anxiety in this case as it gets one bad guy.

5) Twothree is lying, Anxiety is telling the truth, GE is telling the truth - Here, anxiety if he doesnt die at lynch would likely be a night target soon. He likely has little value for us in his role past today's reveal. Lynching him would point a finger back at twothree for the next day. I still think we should lynch Anxiety.

6) Twothree is lying, Anxiety is telling the truth, GE is lying - Once again same as #5, Anxiety's usefulness likely is gone after his reveal. Pointing the finger back to twothree the next day which might accidentally make GE clear in some minds...

[GoldenEagle]

Sacrifice one of their own to take out the seer? I could see that as a viable strategy...

Here is the smoking gun...

IF Anxiety is clean (and the wolves know he is) then it is going to take the heat off of twothree. He is going to survive another day and that 1:1 ratio will come closer and closer. It is a brilliant strategy.

However, it is been sniffed out. Vote for twothree.

[BrianD]

IF Anxiety is clean (and the wolves know he is) then it is going to take the heat off of twothree.

How do you figure? If Anxiety is clean, then we know twothree was lying and we lynch him next. The way I see it, either Anxiety is dirty and we find that out tonight, or twothree is dirty and we get him tomorrow. I think we are assured of a Chaos kill in the next two days.

[Alan T]

Here is the smoking gun...

IF Anxiety is clean (and the wolves know he is) then it is going to take the heat off of twothree. He is going to survive another day and that 1:1 ratio will come closer and closer. It is a brilliant strategy.

However, it is been sniffed out. Vote for twothree.

I don't understand this fully. If twothree isnt the seer, and anxiety ends up clean how is twothree not the lynch target tommorrow?

How does Anxiety showing up clean take the heat off of twothree?

[GoldenEagle]

I guess I did not think one all the way out. Still, there is overwhelming evidence that twothree is not what he says he is.