Werewolf 40,000: The Horus Heresy CHAOS DEFEATED; MUTANTS SURVIVE

[BrianD]

There are 3 people on my list that i knew were loyal to the emperor's cause. only 2 of them left alive, so shouldn't be too hard. At least 50/50 guess :)

I figured it was one of those two you were talking about, but it was worthwhile to ask. I don't think knowing those two (either of them) were out, so there must have been someone else out last night. Anyone have a clue?

[bulletsponge]

hello all. why do some of you think i might be bad? i have assassins at my disposal and havnt used them. if i was a chaos dont you think someone would have been killed by me yet? ohh and suck it path, you mutant sob.

i bet the chaos didnt even know he was a mutant

[Greyroofoo]

to me it doesn't make much sense for a wolf to also be an assassin

[Swaggs]

What is your explanation for voting this way?

I really do not think we are ready to lynch twothree just yet. In my opinion, we should choose one of the following from this list:

1. st. cronin
2. king fc
3. bulletsponge
4. BrianD
5. Chief Rum
6. Swaggs
7. Mustang

Those are in no order. We need to choose on of these 7 and hope we get lucky.


I don't disagree with you, as I haven't been able to really form much of a COT, but what clears the others from your list?

[bulletsponge]

to me it doesn't make much sense for a wolf to also be an assassin

no sh*t. im the chaos killer. if only i could get a better idea of whom is a badie i might try to kill one. but the only time ive seen a role like this used it backfired and a villager was killed, so i dont want to make things harder for us

[Alan T]

hello all. why do some of you think i might be bad? i have assassins at my disposal and havnt used them. if i was a chaos dont you think someone would have been killed by me yet? ohh and suck it path, you mutant sob.

i bet the chaos didnt even know he was a mutant


If I was the assassin, I probably would have used my ability last night.

I probably would have been wrong which is probably a good thing Im not the assassin.

But just saying, usually assassins seem to use their ability earlier in the games so as to not die before using it.

[bulletsponge]

i have a circle of trust. i dont dare post it because it will just put targets on the back of my peeps

[Swaggs]

to me it doesn't make much sense for a wolf to also be an assassin

The roles are, presumably, randomly assigned. Otherwise, there would be an unfair advantage, as there are several titles that don't make sense for a wolf. Anyone taking roles into consideration when determining who is good or bad risks eliminating suspects without merit.

[bulletsponge]

If I was the assassin, I probably would have used my ability last night.

I probably would have been wrong which is probably a good thing Im not the assassin.

But just saying, usually assassins seem to use their ability earlier in the games so as to not die before using it.
i would rather not use it than use it and kill a villager that has powers to help us. plus i wasnt on much yesterday due to work, tired and a headache so doing it yesterday would have been dumb by me.

[BrianD]

i would rather not use it than use it and kill a villager that has powers to help us. plus i wasnt on much yesterday due to work, tired and a headache so doing it yesterday would have been dumb by me.

Have you not tried to use it yet, or have you tried and failed?

[twothree]

The following are the only facts I know.
I am the seer.
I scanned Blade on night 1. He was normal.
I scanned Anxiety on night 2. He was abnormal, and turned out to be chaos.
I was unable to scan on night 3. Because I was locked up by the mutant path12.
I am unable to trust anyone, because everyone I have scanned is now dead.
We have killed one chaos and one mutant.
I want to kill another mutant today.
I will vote for either AlanT or Saldana today.
I have chosen AlanT because in post #819, AlanT wrote...If you had to choose between saldana and me, its probably best to lynch me as my worth isnt as high as his.
Oh, and I leave for work in two hours and will not be back until after the voting is over.

The following is all my opinion. I have NO facts to back any of this up. I don’t ask for anyone to believe me. You should all form your own opinions.

This is what I think. (with the most likely in my view listed first.)
Saldana - mutant
AlanT - mutant
??? - another chaos in the background.
Greyroofoo - chaos
GoldenEagle - converted to chaos
??? - another possible mutant.

If I believe AlanT is a mutant, then the possible mutant suspects based upon who AlanT did not include on his list for me to scan back in post #948 would be... (most likely in my view listed first.)

saldana
Fouts
st. cronin

[Swaggs]

There is no way that twothree is bad. I refuse to believe he outted a fellow Chaos member just to become trusted. I do think he needs to be talked out of voting for Alan though as I don't think that will get us anywhere.

I agree that he is definitely not Chaos, but he could be mutant. That is why this particular game is tricky. Three sides.

[twothree]

i have a circle of trust. i dont dare post it because it will just put targets on the back of my peeps

Hopefully, your group will be able to win the game for the villagers.

[BrianD]

Even if Alan is a mutant, I don't think GoldenEagle is a chaos. Alan claimed to have a talk with him and he checked out clean. A mutant wouldn't help a chaos. I also don't think Grey could have converted GE since Blade, the bodyguard, would have prevented it.

[Alan T]

The following are the only facts I know.
I am the seer.
I scanned Blade on night 1. He was normal.
I scanned Anxiety on night 2. He was abnormal, and turned out to be chaos.
I was unable to scan on night 3. Because I was locked up by the mutant path12.
I am unable to trust anyone, because everyone I have scanned is now dead.
We have killed one chaos and one mutant.
I want to kill another mutant today.
I will vote for either AlanT or Saldana today.
I have chosen AlanT because in post #819, AlanT wrote...
Oh, and I leave for work in two hours and will not be back until after the voting is over.

The following is all my opinion. I have NO facts to back any of this up. I don’t ask for anyone to believe me. You should all form your own opinions.

This is what I think. (with the most likely in my view listed first.)
Saldana - mutant
AlanT - mutant
??? - another chaos in the background.
Greyroofoo - chaos
GoldenEagle - converted to chaos
??? - another possible mutant.

If I believe AlanT is a mutant, then the possible mutant suspects based upon who AlanT did not include on his list for me to scan back in post #948 would be... (most likely in my view listed first.)

saldana
Fouts
st. cronin

I am not a mutant, I don't know if Saldana is a mutant or not.

I still stand by the fact that killing someone who you know is not chaos, but might or might not be a mutant (Saldana) is the wrong move here when you have people who might be chaos and/or a mutant instead to look at.

If you want to look at St.cronin its fine with me, because of what path chose last night (not allowing me the chance to scan st.cronin when he knows that I wanted to), it makes me wonder whats up with st.cronin.

I have no read one way or another on fouts other than he put his neck on the line a few times already in ways that didn't really feel wolfish to me. But I don't have any dirt one way or another on him.

[Alan T]

Also in your list, I can gurantuee that Goldeneagle is not chaos. I don't know anything about Greyroofoo, but by GE vouching for him, I have to assume he is not either.

[Alan T]

Twothree before you leave. Convince me of a reason I should believe that Goldeneagle says he knows there is another seer in the game. I know my ability.. and you claim to be a seer..

I didn't trust GE till last night when he turned up as not chaos.. Why if your only value to our team is by being out of the jail would you not protest the thought of path locking you up? Yes if you are telling the truth, you likely would have been a target, but you wouldn't be able to help us any further.

So I'm still curious how can all of us have these same powers, and you be the only person I havent checked claiming them

[Greyroofoo]

vote kingfc

An early vote and subject to change, but I really believe that there's chaos in the background

[Swaggs]

I am out to meet with a student for a few hours. Be back around 5.

I have no ideas on the Chaos, but I think st. cronin looks like a good candidate to be a mutant, since path repeatedly locked him up. Looking over the original post, it seems that mutants must discover one another by using their psychic ability, so it seems possible that path and st. cronin may have been two mutants that detected one another. Unless we have a good Chaos lead, we should knock out a suspected mutant, in my opinion.

The only person I have any trust in right now is Alan T. Without going too far into the details of my role, I feel pretty confident in saying that Alan T is not a Chaos. If someone concretely knows that Alan is a mutant, they should probably just come out and say it, because people opposing him look more suspicious to me today.

[Alan T]

Here I guess is my current trust/distrusts based on what I know or what others have said:

Not Mutant/Not Chaos:
AlanT

Not Chaos (could be mutant):
GoldenEagle
Saldana

Trust via Vouching by others:
Greyroofoo

Slight trust based on feel:
Fouts

No read:
kingfc22
BrianD
Chief Rum
Mustang
Swaggs

Slight distrust based on feel:
st.cronin
twothree
bulletsponge

[twothree]

The only person I have any trust in right now is Alan T. Without going too far into the details of my role, I feel pretty confident in saying that Alan T is not a Chaos. If someone concretely knows that Alan is a mutant, they should probably just come out and say it, because people opposing him look more suspicious to me today.

I really wish you could have posted that you knew he was not a mutant.

[BrianD]

I worry about the possibility of a conversion by the head Chaos guy, so I am going to be looking for him today. My two strongest feelings (though I have no real evidence against them) is kingfc22 and st.cronin. Since Grey voted for kinfc22, I will do the same to continue the bandwagon. I figure this has to bring some info out. If we get the votes to lynch king, I suggest that everyone with a scanning abillity check out st.cronin tonight. Alan and twothree are likely targets to be killed by Chaos tonight, but if everyone scans cronin, hopefully someone will get the scan in...and if we get really lucky, we might get multiple scans which can be confirmed against each other.

Vote kingfc22

[Swaggs]

I really wish you could have posted that you knew he was not a mutant.

Sorry. I feel pretty confident that he is not--confident enough to go "out myself" a bit, so that we don't go down the path of accusing him. But, it sounds like some of the messages we receive are intentionally vague, so I can't say with certainty.

I am out guys. Play nice.

[twothree]

Well, my reasoning could very well be wrong.

I think I need to go back and read every post by path12 - the known mutant and anxiety - the known chaos.

[kingfc22]

Okay. I wanted to stay under the radar for as long as possible in order for me to get as much night actions in before I had to reveal my information. Hopefully, this will allow us to build some kind of CoT and get rid of the Chaos.

I am the Grand Provost Marshall of the Adeptus Arbites and am responsible for law and order and crime prevention on Terra. Each night I am able to investigate a player and find out exactly what their council has told them their role is.

Night 1:
St. Cronin - He is in charge of overseeing the Golden Throne. However, altough he is vital to ensuring that everything runs smoothly it is possible for it to still happen even if he is killed. But it seems really risky.

Night 2:
Alan T is an enforcer of the faith. If he finds anyone not true to the Emperor then he will try to convert them. On post #947, I posted that I had St. Cronin and Alan in my CoT. Thought that would buy me some more time, but obviously it didn't.

So after night 2, I have St. Cronin, Alan T and most likely Saldana as non-chaos members.

Then night 3:
I investigated BrianD. I was a little weary about some of his comments yesterday so I decided to scan him. He is a very decorated warrior and without giving his role away altogether let's just say he has a power upon his death.

So now that I spilled out all that information I am most likely dead tonight.

[st.cronin]

UNVOTE KINGFC

VOTE CHIEFRUM

King has verified my role pretty much to the t. So I think he's probably legit. As are the other players on the list.

[st.cronin]

Also, I have NOT just hopped on the vote of the day each day. Day 1 I was one of the most vocal players arguing against the lynch of an innocent human. So, I forget who said that, but it was a lie.

[Alan T]

I would like BrianD's comments on what king said.

[bulletsponge]

Vote Chief Rum

this vote may change,

[Tyrith]

I bet blade gets tired of getting killed in these early and/or awful manners. And Anxiety, bad again! Tsk tsk. :P

[Alan T]

Also, I have NOT just hopped on the vote of the day each day. Day 1 I was one of the most vocal players arguing against the lynch of an innocent human. So, I forget who said that, but it was a lie.


It was me saying that, and i was basing it on my feel. I didn't do much research, so maybe I'm wrong here. but day 1 I thought for sure it was Saldana and Blade vs me.

Maybe you also argued on the same side as me there, I noticed more the people arguing to lynch realdeal. I thought I had remembered you jumping on the person I had voted for and backing my arguement.

I might be wrong though..

[st.cronin]

It was me saying that, and i was basing it on my feel. I didn't do much research, so maybe I'm wrong here. but day 1 I thought for sure it was Saldana and Blade vs me.

Maybe you also argued on the same side as me there, I noticed more the people arguing to lynch realdeal. I thought I had remembered you jumping on the person I had voted for and backing my arguement.

I might be wrong though..

I believe I actually voted for Anxiety on day 1.

[Alan T]

Can people tell me why the sudden rush on Chief Rum without much reasons given? Just curious since there were two votes and no reasoning given.

[Alan T]

I believe I actually voted for Anxiety on day 1.


Well then I retract that part of my reason for voting for you right now today! :)

I still stand by my curiosity on why Path kept locking you up but any time anyone else showed any level of trust in you he questioned them intently on why. I also wonder why Path didn't let me have a chance to scan you like I had wanted.

[st.cronin]

Can people tell me why the sudden rush on Chief Rum without much reasons given? Just curious since there were two votes and no reasoning given.

I'm just looking for somebody UTR, as I think that's where we're most likely to get a hit. I think possibly one of the saldana, GE, grey, AlanT group is a mutant, but I think it's more likely that they are all humans, just playing a weird game.

[kingfc22]

Does anyone have any info on GE or grey? Those guys have been confusing me all game.

[st.cronin]

Well then I retract that part of my reason for voting for you right now today! :)

I still stand by my curiosity on why Path kept locking you up but any time anyone else showed any level of trust in you he questioned them intently on why. I also wonder why Path didn't let me have a chance to scan you like I had wanted.

I guess now you'll probably have your chance.

[bulletsponge]

I bet blade gets tired of getting killed in these early and/or awful manners. And Anxiety, bad again! Tsk tsk. :P


he brings it on himself. hes always accusing others of being wolves.

[BrianD]

I would say that kingfc22 is not lying, though knowing our roles doesn't mean he still isn't Chaos. I'm not saying that he is since this information does seem to help us, but he only drops to low suspicion in my book, not no suspicion. While I ponder this...

Unvote Kingfc22

[Greyroofoo]

I would say that kingfc22 is not lying, though knowing our roles doesn't mean he still isn't Chaos. I'm not saying that he is since this information does seem to help us, but he only drops to low suspicion in my book, not no suspicion. While I ponder this...

Unvote Kingfc22

ditto

Unvote Kingfc22
vote chief rum

[kingfc22]

Wow. All of a sudden we have a bandwagon on Chief Rum. I'm going to bet one of them is not good.

Vote Greyroofoo.

[saldana]

i have no problem with this particular vote, since i have been a bit suspicious of him for a couple days, but i would love to know what greyroofoo is up to

vote king

[Greyroofoo]

i'm simply trying to dig up chaos and not let anyone go under the radar

[saldana]

ok, didnt see the reveal

unvote kingfc
vote greyroofoo

[bulletsponge]

i dont know why, but i kinda trust greroofoo

[Alan T]

I think greyroofoo is a bad person to jump on. You have one person (Goldeneagle) who is cleared by someone else (me) vouching for him. At least there is a chain somewhat. Like I said, I don't know if GE is a mutant, but he is not chaos.. so that would lead me to think at the worst Greyroofoo is not chaos and possibly a mutant.

When we have a whole list of people who have no one vouching for them and no backup evidence:

BrianD
Chief Rum
Mustang
Swaggs
bulletproof
St.cronin

why would you pick one of the people who do have at least some trail of accountability?

[Alan T]

Sorry my above list should also include Fouts, I keep leaving him off since I dont get a bad feel from him.. but I dont think anyone has cleared him yet either. I wouldn't encourage a push on Fouts just yet, but didn't want to forget to include him also.


I think today unless someone has some reason to push at one particular person, we should target someone in the group who has not been cleared either of being chaos or mutant. It only improves our odds.

[Alan T]

double dola.. I guess my list should also include king and twothree as no one is vouching for either of them yet either.

However just like Fouts I dont think a vote on them today would be as effective (even though twothree is in my distrust list)

So I guess this is the full list of people who havent had someone vouch for them

twothree
kingfc22

BrianD
Chief Rum
Mustang
Swaggs
bulletproof
st.cronin

However I would rather focus on the last 6.

[BrianD]

Alan, I think your list of 6 is a good place to start looking. I'm going to put my new temporary vote on...

Vote Bulletproof

I don't know for sure that he is bad, but maybe we'll get some info from somewhere if he is in danger.

As an early warning, I'm going to be heading out to a wedding rehearsal in about 2 hours so hopefully we'll get something solid before then.

[bulletsponge]

Alan, I think your list of 6 is a good place to start looking. I'm going to put my new temporary vote on...

Vote Bulletproof

I don't know for sure that he is bad, but maybe we'll get some info from somewhere if he is in danger.

As an early warning, I'm going to be heading out to a wedding rehearsal in about 2 hours so hopefully we'll get something solid before then.

its Bulletsponge!! not bulletproof. i know someone can vouch for my allegance to the Emperor, but since im not in danger now i hope that person will keep quiet.

[twothree]

Well, it looks like AlanT is going to be safe tonight. So, I will jump on one of the new bandwagons before leaving for the day. Random choice between chief rum and greyroofoo gives me...

unvote AlanT

vote greyroofoo

[BrianD]

its Bulletsponge!! not bulletproof. i know someone can vouch for my allegance to the Emperor, but since im not in danger now i hope that person will keep quiet.

Sorry, I was reading off of Alan's list.

So what exactly did you do last night? Understand that I probably already know the answer to that. Care to share with everyone else?

[Alan T]

This is the way I count up the votes so far:

(1) stcronin - alan
(3) chiefrum - Stcronin, bulletsponge, greyroofoo
(3) greyroofoo - king, Saldana, twothree
(1) bulletsponge - Brian

Im not sold on anyone including my current vote. I will however not be voting for greyroofoo and dont understand why people are voting for hiim. I have to head out in a bit, but am in a tough place 2 of the 3 people I don't have a good feel for right now are on Chief Rum, but I think I'll likely vote for Chief rum if i have to in order to save Greyroofoo.

I'm not sure why people are so hard on trying to vote someone who is vouched for by a non-chaos (Goldeneagle).

I can really move my vote anywhere right now, but I think most important is we don't lynch someone foolish today and do the wolves work for us.

[Greyroofoo]

i really hope people listen to Alan T.

I'm gonna try to do all the running my back can handle so I'll be back in an hour or so.

[bulletsponge]

Sorry, I was reading off of Alan's list.

So what exactly did you do last night? Understand that I probably already know the answer to that. Care to share with everyone else?


i didnt do anything. but i was visited by someone who wanted to know if i was loyal to the Emperor. im sure that person can vouch that i am speaking the truth when i say i am not a mutant or chaos. as of right now i dont want them to come foward because im not in trouble. but if that person gets in trouble i will give thier name, because either they are a villager or a mutant trying to contact another mutant. either way they arnt chaos, and those scum are the ones we want dead the most

[BrianD]

I also find it odd that st.cronin and bulletsponge jumped on Chief Rum. I don't have a read on him myself, but when suspicious guys start piling on, I get nervous.

[BrianD]

i didnt do anything. but i was visited by someone who wanted to know if i was loyal to the Emperor. im sure that person can vouch that i am speaking the truth when i say i am not a mutant or chaos. as of right now i dont want them to come foward because im not in trouble. but if that person gets in trouble i will give thier name, because either they are a villager or a mutant trying to contact another mutant. either way they arnt chaos, and those scum are the ones we want dead the most

When did that visit happen?

[bulletsponge]

When did that visit happen?

last night

[Alan T]

i didnt do anything. but i was visited by someone who wanted to know if i was loyal to the Emperor. im sure that person can vouch that i am speaking the truth when i say i am not a mutant or chaos. as of right now i dont want them to come foward because im not in trouble. but if that person gets in trouble i will give thier name, because either they are a villager or a mutant trying to contact another mutant. either way they arnt chaos, and those scum are the ones we want dead the most


You basically just described my role to a tee, yet it was not me who visited you. I am really tempted to call B.S. on this. While I'm trying to put a finger on all the seer like roles out there, each one seems just a bit different than each.. but this would be the exact same role duplicated which I have a very hard time believing.

Maybe Ive just been suspicious of you since day 1, and so anything you say seems suspicious to me, but I am having a very hard time swallowing this.

[Alan T]

Eh I have to leave for a few hours anyways.. Screw it..

Unvote St. cronin
vote bulletsponge

[BrianD]

last night

Crap, I actually believe you.

If I were to show you the knife that I took off of the guy that sneaked into my room last night, what would you have to say about it?

[tanglewood]

Current Day 4 Vote Count

Chief Rum 3 - st.cronin, bulletsponge, Greyroofoo
Greyroofoo 3 - saldana, kingfc, twothree
bulletsponge 2 - BrianD, AlanT

Not Yet Voted: Fouts, GoldenEagle, Chief Rum, Mustang, Swaggs

[BrianD]

Alan, if you are still around, change your vote back.

[bulletsponge]

Crap, I actually believe you.

If I were to show you the knife that I took off of the guy that sneaked into my room last night, what would you have to say about it?


huh? are you saying i sent an assassin after you? it wasnt me

[BrianD]

Unvote Bulletsponge
Vote st.cronin

[Alan T]

Alan, if you are still around, change your vote back.


You mean to tell me there is someone else around there with pretty much the exact same role as me in addition to twothree having seer power, Goldeneagle knowing someone else has it, Swaggs knowing stuff about me, King knowing job roles.....

This game is killing me.

I'll be back later, I'll maybe switch my vote later depending on what all plays out. This is crazy.

[BrianD]

huh? are you saying i sent an assassin after you? it wasnt me

I'm saying that someone came into my room last night with a knife. I was able to take it from him and chase him away, but I couldn't identify him. I figured with you being an assassin, it had to be you. Not so?

[bulletsponge]

You basically just described my role to a tee, yet it was not me who visited you. I am really tempted to call B.S. on this. While I'm trying to put a finger on all the seer like roles out there, each one seems just a bit different than each.. but this would be the exact same role duplicated which I have a very hard time believing.

Maybe Ive just been suspicious of you since day 1, and so anything you say seems suspicious to me, but I am having a very hard time swallowing this.


it wasnt you that visited me. so what your saying is either you or the other person that visited me is the mutant boss looking for his freakish minions

[bulletsponge]

Unvote Bulletsponge
Vote st.cronin


how did you get to st cronin and not me?

[BrianD]

You mean to tell me there is someone else around there with pretty much the exact same role as me in addition to twothree having seer power, Goldeneagle knowing someone else has it, Swaggs knowing stuff about me, King knowing job roles.....

This game is killing me.

I'll be back later, I'll maybe switch my vote later depending on what all plays out. This is crazy.

I'm saying that the person GoldenEagle knows about is probably the same person Bullet knows about. I have good reason to suspect this, and since you are one of the few people I do think I have a good read on, I'm asking you to join my vote. I still don't know that st.cronin is bad, but he is on my suspect list so I was about to join your in voting for him before you changed.

[bulletsponge]

I'm saying that someone came into my room last night with a knife. I was able to take it from him and chase him away, but I couldn't identify him. I figured with you being an assassin, it had to be you. Not so?


nope mot my assassins. i have several assassins to choose from with differnt odds and abilities. i havnt sent any out because i havnt got a good read on any mutants or chaos yet. although i now have the mutant boss narrowed down to 2 different people

[Mustang]

Why do you want him to change his vote back? I'm curious because, I was leaning towards voting St. Cronin at this point. I don't think he is Chaos but, leaning more towards mutant and fingering a mutant would be better than an innocent but, not as good as a Chaos.

Brian, You also mentioned a knife, were you saying you were attacked last night?

[BrianD]

how did you get to st cronin and not me?

Are you complaining? :D

[bulletsponge]

dola the mutant boss narrowed down inbetween 2 different people.

[bulletsponge]

Are you complaining? :D
why do you think Cronin is bad?

[Mustang]

I'm saying that someone came into my room last night with a knife. I was able to take it from him and chase him away, but I couldn't identify him. I figured with you being an assassin, it had to be you. Not so?

guess you answered my question while I was typing.

If you were attacked last night and path was killed.. that mean Chaos kills 2 a night or does that mean that they killed path and someone else attacked you or vice versa??

[bulletsponge]

guess you answered my question while I was typing.

If you were attacked last night and path was killed.. that mean Chaos kills 2 a night or does that mean that they killed path and someone else attacked you or vice versa??

hmmm, maybe they can attack seperatly but with reduced odds of sucsess. god my spelling sucks

[BrianD]

Why do you want him to change his vote back? I'm curious because, I was leaning towards voting St. Cronin at this point. I don't think he is Chaos but, leaning more towards mutant and fingering a mutant would be better than an innocent but, not as good as a Chaos.

Brian, You also mentioned a knife, were you saying you were attacked last night?

Honestly, Bullet talked his way off of my list and st.cronin is still on my list (not for any good reason, but just because I haven't seen a good reason to trust him yet).

I was attacked last night, but I fought it off. As King said, I am a very decorated warrior because I am a very adept warrior. I wasn't able to identify my attacker, but I did run him out of my room.

[BrianD]

why do you think Cronin is bad?

I have no reason to think he is bad, he is just one of the few people I don't have reason to think is good.

[BrianD]

guess you answered my question while I was typing.

If you were attacked last night and path was killed.. that mean Chaos kills 2 a night or does that mean that they killed path and someone else attacked you or vice versa??

I don't know, but the possibilities are worrisome. I really thought this was an assassination attempt by Bullet, but he claims it isn't. Either it was a second Chaos attack, or there is someone else with assassination abilities...which would make sense considering we seem to have about 20 seers. :)

[bulletsponge]

I don't know, but the possibilities are worrisome. I really thought this was an assassination attempt by Bullet, but he claims it isn't. Either it was a second Chaos attack, or there is someone else with assassination abilities...which would make sense considering we seem to have about 20 seers. :)


hehe, if i was going to kill someone i would say so, unless i used my uber assassin, but then he wouldnt have left you alive. right now i dont suspect you at all though. the fact that you are a warrior capable of fending off attacks makes me more confident thats a villager role, not a chaos or mutant

[BrianD]

I'm heading out for the evening. I hope the vote goes well tonight.

[GoldenEagle]

There are sure alot of people moving around at night. I was visted by two people last night, one of course being AlanT and the other being a little biridie who whispers information into my ear. Both AlanT and the other came to me.

[BrianD]

There are sure alot of people moving around at night. I was visted by two people last night, one of course being AlanT and the other being a little biridie who whispers information into my ear. Both AlanT and the other came to me.

Do you know who this little birdie is, or is this another one of those unidentified folks?

[Greyroofoo]

could be a special ability

[Fouts]

St. cronin

He's had a free ride so far, just jumped on whatever the vote of the day seemed to be without much extra added value.. and for some reason Path didnt want me to have a chance to scan St.cronin last night. Path from the start also seemed to think he had huge value to us.

My guess is the head mutant guy perhaps right now.

I'm still catching up, but have to say this makes sense. There was some wonder why path would keep putting st. cronin in the jail. It didn't make much sense.

BTW, Alan, that isn't a legal vote.

[Greyroofoo]

did mutants know who the other mutants were at the beginning of the game? IRC path has been putting st. cronin in jail since day 1.

[kingfc22]

After getting the oil in my car changed I'm back now.

Unvote Greyroofoo

I'm doing this because of what Alan said. I beileve him to be good. He says GE is good and GE says grey is good.

After thinking about this a little more I'm not sure if my ability tells me if people are good or bad however which worries me. If Fouts is the duke, then that makes me lean to thinking Brian might be possibly bad with his power.

I say we hold of on Cronin at least for today. He has been locked up every night, correct? This will be the first time he hasn't and should be the main target of the chaos because of his role with the emperor.

[GoldenEagle]

Do you know who this little birdie is, or is this another one of those unidentified folks?

Yes, I do. Keep in mind that I "smell" lots of stuff with my role and this is one of the things that I pick up on. So far, everything that this birdie has told has been true.

I do NOT want to reveal the source as they would be dead in the morning.

[GoldenEagle]

I'm still catching up, but have to say this makes sense. There was some wonder why path would keep putting st. cronin in the jail. It didn't make much sense.

I do not think that mutants know who other mutants are.

[Fouts]

I do not think that mutants know who other mutants are.

The mutants know who their leader is, it is detailed under The Mutants win if..

[Fouts]

I'm still waiting for saldana's story from his interaction with blade. blade turned out good, so he told the truth, saldana says he followed someone to a meeting with blade. blade said this wasn't true.

I'm not letting this go today.

[Mustang]

Vote St. Cronin

I don't understand why path kept putting him in the cell. Now that Path was outed as a mutant, I have a reason to believe St. Cronin is possibly a mutant. In the abscene of any Chaos guys today, this will have to do today.

[Swaggs]

Still catching up, but question for king: When you "scan" a player, do you know their alignment (human/mutant/chaos) or just their abilities?

From the way you have described it, I am not sure you have actually cleared anyone, just that you are able to tell what their, for lack of better terms, job description is.

[Greyroofoo]

While I think St. Cronin is a mutant, what happens if he dies? He does seem to have a very important job keeping our Emperor alive and all. Given that, would be he prime target for Chaos now?

[Swaggs]

I'm caught up now.

I really don't get the Chief Rum blitz... did I miss something?

[Greyroofoo]

I'm caught up now.

I really don't get the Chief Rum blitz... did I miss something?

I think some of us are suspicious of the "under the radar" players

[Fouts]

While I think St. Cronin is a mutant, what happens if he dies? He does seem to have a very important job keeping our Emperor alive and all. Given that, would be he prime target for Chaos now?

I'm not sure cronin is a good target today. We might be doing the job for the chaos.

Am I the only one not getting visited at night?

[Swaggs]

While I think St. Cronin is a mutant, what happens if he dies? He does seem to have a very important job keeping our Emperor alive and all. Given that, would be he prime target for Chaos now?

I don't think it is like an automatic win for the bad guys if he dies. The instructions say the chaos win if they get down to a 1:1 ratio. I don't really suspect him above anyone else right now, but I don't think he should get a free pass because of his job title.

[Fouts]

I don't know, but the possibilities are worrisome. I really thought this was an assassination attempt by Bullet, but he claims it isn't. Either it was a second Chaos attack, or there is someone else with assassination abilities...which would make sense considering we seem to have about 20 seers. :)

So, somebody came into your room, and the chaos have already killed a person, but you're willing to give bullet a pass because he said Alan's twin visited him.

Yeah, that all makes sense. C'mon Brian, it smells.

[Swaggs]

So, somebody came into your room, and the chaos have already killed a person, but you're willing to give bullet a pass because he said Alan's twin visited him.

Yeah, that all makes sense. C'mon Brian, it smells.

I agree here. Plus, I don't understand sitting on the assasination ability for this many days. Makes me feel like bullet feels pretty confident about his ability to survive each night. Just a gut feel, but it doesn't seem right to me. Unless someone presents something more concrete:

Vote bulletsponge

[Swaggs]

I'm a little stuck here thinking about Path's death last night.

Since he was a mutant, can we assume he was not killed by another mutant (maybe not?)? I ask b/c it would make sense that he was killed by either chaos or one of us with the ability make a night kill. But, someone else tried to kill Brian and left their knife, so I am wondering who else that could have been?

So, we have the questions of:

1.) Who do we think is responsible for the past two night kills?
2.) Can we consider that the chaos can kill more than once per turn?
3.) Can the mutants attempt to kill during the night? If so, why haven't they yet?
4.) Do one (or more) of us have the ability to attack at night and is that what happened to Brian last night?

[st.cronin]

ping: psykers (if there are any)

I am not a mutant; I am human. Do not lynch me. I feed the emperor.

[st.cronin]

dola

out til lynch

[Alan T]

Im back for roughly 30 min before i have to leave for the night. Catching up on what i Have left to go on.. I am suprised no one else has made this comment yet, so I will..

Bullet you say you know the mutant leader is either myself or one other person? Well I know I'm not a mutant so I am very interested in who the other person is. Without anything else to go on, I'll likely vote for either them or you today depending on how much I trust you (which right now is about as far as I can throw you).

There are about 10 seers it seems, so saying the name of one more who you are sure is the mutant leader (if I am not as I say I am not) won't really affect much.

[Fouts]

I agree here. Plus, I don't understand sitting on the assasination ability for this many days. Makes me feel like bullet feels pretty confident about his ability to survive each night. Just a gut feel, but it doesn't seem right to me. Unless someone presents something more concrete:

Vote bulletsponge

I might be voting this way. I didn't trust the assassin from the beginning, and a lot of people saved him over an obvious (to me) villager.

The only hitch is saldana. He said he would explain today, but he hasn't. He pushed hard for realdeal's death over bullet. I'm not sure I can give him another pass today.

FWIW, the only two people I have trusted from day one are St. Cronin and Swaggs. Mostly based on posts and feel. St. Cronin has fallen a bit due to path being a mutant and always locking cronin up. It is very possible that St. Cronin is a mutant, but we are after chaos first. I feel that mutants cannot kill, but it is possible they can convert.

There are some people who are acting very shady. At this point I cannot vote for somebody in the background over some people acting suspicious.

[bulletsponge]

Im back for roughly 30 min before i have to leave for the night. Catching up on what i Have left to go on.. I am suprised no one else has made this comment yet, so I will..

Bullet you say you know the mutant leader is either myself or one other person? Well I know I'm not a mutant so I am very interested in who the other person is. Without anything else to go on, I'll likely vote for either them or you today depending on how much I trust you (which right now is about as far as I can throw you).

There are about 10 seers it seems, so saying the name of one more who you are sure is the mutant leader (if I am not as I say I am not) won't really affect much.


well after i said someone visited me to see if i was loyal to the emperor, you said it sounded exactly like your role. so i quickly went to the first page to look at some roles. i thought it could mean that one of you is the head mutant out at night searching for his scummy little mutant friends. i too think its odd we have 2 peeps with the same roles as you claim

btw the person who came to visit me last night was Greyroofoo

[GoldenEagle]

I think I will be back before the lynch, but just in case...

<b>Vote bulletsponge</b>

That might or might not change. I am going to get a new HDTV. Yay!

[bulletsponge]

dola

Greyroofoo can you come give you opinion, tell them that i am loyal to the emperor

[kingfc22]

Still catching up, but question for king: When you "scan" a player, do you know their alignment (human/mutant/chaos) or just their abilities?

From the way you have described it, I am not sure you have actually cleared anyone, just that you are able to tell what their, for lack of better terms, job description is.

In post 1338, I stated my rethinking about my ability. I still think Alan is clear based on his actions and what his role is. I think it unlikely that his role would be given to a mutant or chaos.

With Path dying and being revealed as a mutant, St. Cronin drops on my list. I think he is probably the main target of the chaos tonight.

Brian has the ability to kill someone with him when he dies. I'm starting to lean more and more to him being bad. He was suspicious yesterday and that hasn't changed much today. I don't think we have two good guy duke roles so....

[Fouts]

In post 1338, I stated my rethinking about my ability. I still think Alan is clear based on his actions and what his role is. I think it unlikely that his role would be given to a mutant or chaos.

With Path dying and being revealed as a mutant, St. Cronin drops on my list. I think he is probably the main target of the chaos tonight.

Brian has the ability to kill someone with him when he dies. I'm starting to lean more and more to him being bad. He was suspicious yesterday and that hasn't changed much today. I don't think we have two good guy duke roles so....

He does sound alot like the brutal wolf.

[Alan T]

In post 1338, I stated my rethinking about my ability. I still think Alan is clear based on his actions and what his role is. I think it unlikely that his role would be given to a mutant or chaos.

With Path dying and being revealed as a mutant, St. Cronin drops on my list. I think he is probably the main target of the chaos tonight.

Brian has the ability to kill someone with him when he dies. I'm starting to lean more and more to him being bad. He was suspicious yesterday and that hasn't changed much today. I don't think we have two good guy duke roles so....


I actually was thinking that about Brian. What you said makes me think Brutal Wolf.

But we have so many different leads to chase at once, I wasn't sure if I wanted to start barking down that street just yet. There are probably 4-5 people Im as interested in as BrianD right now. This entire game is nutso.. I don't know what to think about Twothree, bullet, Stcronin, Swaggs, brian, king, greyroofoo.. and I havent even gotten to the guys who are under the radar yet.

[Alan T]

He does sound alot like the brutal wolf.


Exactly what I was thinking too.

[bulletsponge]

brutal wolf? explain plzz

[Greyroofoo]

what evidence is there against bulletsponge?

[Alan T]

Vote total as I see it currently is:

Chief Rum 3 - st.cronin, bulletsponge, Greyroofoo
Greyroofoo 2 - saldana, twothree
bulletsponge 3 - AlanT, Swaggs, Goldeneagle
Stcronin 2 - BrianD, mustang

And you know what.. I think I am going to bark down that tree. I apologize, I have been all over with my vote today but thats just because I don't know where to start. I think I'm going to give king the benefit of the doubt here, it sounds like BrianD's power really comes out when he's dead.. so lets see if that power helps the wolves or us.

unvote bulletsponge
vote BrianD

I still don't have alot of trust in Bullet... he seems really weasley to me.. but this feels like a better lead to me.

[Alan T]

what evidence is there against bulletsponge?


I have 0 evidence against bulletsponge.. just he's come across this entire game from the start as completely acting wolfish to me. I just was going on feeling based on what his actions or lack of actions have been as well as the things he said.

I'm still not convinced he's on our side.. but for today I took my vote off of him to follow the BrianD route.

[Swaggs]

I was a little more suspicious of st. cronin after finding out about Path. But, it seems like a few people sort of think that, because of his title/occupation, he needs to be protected in order for us to win. I am speculating that Path was protecting him for that reason, in order to try and build trust and value.

I just don't think one of our positions in the council will clear or damn us--it doesn't make sense from a gameplay standpoint.

[Alan T]

brutal wolf? explain plzz


in WW games there sometimes is a role called the Brutal wolf. They are a wolf who at the time of death will take out a good guy with them. Usually they get to pick who they kill. So its a free death for them. However the upside is that we get a wolf to kill too.

A different way to handle a brutal wolf would be have the assassin kill them at night of course... *hint* *hint*

[Fouts]

We need some info from Grey. What is he doing visiting people?

[Swaggs]

Grey, since you have been "outted," what else have you been up to the first few days?

[Fouts]

Vote total as I see it currently is:

Chief Rum 3 - st.cronin, bulletsponge, Greyroofoo
Greyroofoo 2 - saldana, twothree
bulletsponge 3 - AlanT, Swaggs, Goldeneagle
Stcronin 2 - BrianD, mustang

And you know what.. I think I am going to bark down that tree. I apologize, I have been all over with my vote today but thats just because I don't know where to start. I think I'm going to give king the benefit of the doubt here, it sounds like BrianD's power really comes out when he's dead.. so lets see if that power helps the wolves or us.

unvote bulletsponge
vote BrianD


I still don't have alot of trust in Bullet... he seems really weasley to me.. but this feels like a better lead to me.

Not enough damning evidence against Brian to go that way. He was under the radar and pulled out the somebody attacked me story. Why would he do that as the brutal wolf?

[bulletsponge]

grey are you here now? tell them i serve the emperor and only him

[bulletsponge]

woot.... you better not be a wolf or im f*cked

[Greyroofoo]

i will vouch for bulletsponge

[bulletsponge]

I don't like this post. Very smelly.


ok well im a villager, you can suck it if you think otherwise

[Fouts]

grey are you here now? tell them i serve the emperor and only him

I don't like this post. Very smelly.

[Alan T]

Not enough damning evidence against Brian to go that way. He was under the radar and pulled out the somebody attacked me story. Why would he do that as the brutal wolf?


honestly I have no idea. but I don't think I have ever been this confused in a WW game. I'm starting to question my own sanity.

[bulletsponge]

how the hell? my post quoting fouts came before his!

[Fouts]

i will vouch for bulletsponge

Not good enough, spill the beans. If Alan is out there, why aren't you? What are you hiding? You guys aren't looking good.

[Fouts]

honestly I have no idea. but I don't think I have ever been this confused in a WW game. I'm starting to question my own sanity.

The only thing keeping me from trusting you is that you are still alive. If you can do what you say you can do, why haven't they killed you?

[Alan T]

Not good enough, spill the beans. If Alan is out there, why aren't you? What are you hiding? You guys aren't looking good.


I agree. I have tried to encourage people to not vote for you based on Goldeneagle vouching for you. But I know nothing about your role. I can't imagine with all of these people out with important roles that you can't provide us some information to make you less of a suspect or such.

To be honest right now I am thinking you are the head mutant, and Goldeneagle while being loyal to the emperor is mutant too. i have no earthly way to piece everything together in my head right now. Right now I just want to vote for everyone and let God sort it all out.

[kingfc22]

Geez. This game is nuts. Congrats tanglewood.

[Alan T]

The only thing keeping me from trusting you is that you are still alive. If you can do what you say you can do, why haven't they killed you?

I fully expect to be dead tommorrow. Of course Bullet makes it sound like someone else has the exact same role almost as me.

Whatever its worth though, Saldana vouches for me, Path (the mutant) vouched for me , Goldeneagle has or should be vouching for me. Swaggs vouched for me. King vouched for me.. I'll be suprised if I am still alive in the morning.

I am a human, but I fully understand no one has vouched that I am not a mutant yet, but it should be very obvious that I'm not chaos by now.

[Fouts]

I agree. I have tried to encourage people to not vote for you based on Goldeneagle vouching for you. But I know nothing about your role. I can't imagine with all of these people out with important roles that you can't provide us some information to make you less of a suspect or such.

To be honest right now I am thinking you are the head mutant, and Goldeneagle while being loyal to the emperor is mutant too. i have no earthly way to piece everything together in my head right now. Right now I just want to vote for everyone and let God sort it all out.

Do you mean me or Grey? I don't see how anyone could suspect me.

[Alan T]

Plus let us not forget. we still have the unamed birdie whispering into GoldenEagle's ear, whoever or whatever that is. I assume its greyroofoo.. but I have no clue.

[Swaggs]

This got crazy all of a sudden.

[Alan T]

Do you mean me or Grey? I don't see how anyone could suspect me.


SOrry my thoughts are scattered. I quoted your statement about greyfooroo and then addressed my comment to Grey. My comment was addressed to grey, but out of curiosity why should people give you a pass Fouts?

The reason I wasn't really strong for you is earlier in the day Goldeneagle passed what I thought was a subtle hint that he thought you were ok. So in my book you and Greyroofoo are pretty much on the same level right now. You havent done anything to draw suspicion I agree, but curious why you feel you should be given a clean pass right now.

[Fouts]

I fully expect to be dead tommorrow. Of course Bullet makes it sound like someone else has the exact same role almost as me.

Whatever its worth though, Saldana vouches for me, Path (the mutant) vouched for me , Goldeneagle has or should be vouching for me. Swaggs vouched for me. King vouched for me.. I'll be suprised if I am still alive in the morning.

I am a human, but I fully understand no one has vouched that I am not a mutant yet, but it should be very obvious that I'm not chaos by now.

When did Swaggs and King vouch for you? They hold more weight than saldana, path and GE.

I won't be voting for you today. I'm looking at saldana, bullet and grey. Grey needs to tell us what's up.

[kingfc22]

It is certainly better than lynching a normal human, but it helps get the Chaos get their ratio. I'd personally like to get a Chaos or two before hitting the mutants, but either is better than another loyal human.

This was a post from yesterday and it makes me uneasy knowing what kind of role BrianD has. Could he possibly be a brutal mutant?

[Alan T]

Ok, I have to go, going out to the movie and dinner tonight so likely wont be back until well after the lynch. I hope whatever happens between now and 9 is good for us. :(

[Fouts]

SOrry my thoughts are scattered. I quoted your statement about greyfooroo and then addressed my comment to Grey. My comment was addressed to grey, but out of curiosity why should people give you a pass Fouts?

The reason I wasn't really strong for you is earlier in the day Goldeneagle passed what I thought was a subtle hint that he thought you were ok. So in my book you and Greyroofoo are pretty much on the same level right now. You havent done anything to draw suspicion I agree, but curious why you feel you should be given a clean pass right now.

Because I am the duke. I am pushing to lynch suspects. If I were a bad duke, we would be in trouble.

[Alan T]

When did Swaggs and King vouch for you? They hold more weight than saldana, path and GE.

I won't be voting for you today. I'm looking at saldana, bullet and grey. Grey needs to tell us what's up.


Real quick before i go, a couple pages back Swaggs came out and said he believes I am good and that I am trusted. King was a little less defending saying knowing my role and my actions he believes i am good too. I don't think either vouched that I am not a mutant (maybe swaggs did I don't remember) but both stated they believed me to be good based on their roles.

I won't put words into their mouths since both are in the thread so I'll let them comment for their own feelings..

[Alan T]

Because I am the duke. I am pushing to lynch suspects. If I were a bad duke, we would be in trouble.


I actually was curious yesterday when you were threatening Saldana. Its obvious you hold a tiebreaker ability, but I was kind of thinking in my head if you were bluffing about the duke to try to get Saldana to talk. Either way don't read too much into my digging questions at you, you honestly are in my top 6 or 7 more trusted people right now based on your actions... I just am trying to piece everything together in my head so I dont push for someone good's death again like i did to blade.

[Alan T]

Ok, i really gotta go. Good luck guys. Back late tonight.

[Swaggs]

I can vouch for Alan that he is not Chaos. I know this through my, somewhat limited, ability. I can't speak for anyone else right now and I don't have the ability to target any given player to analyze at night. I just happened across that information regarding Alan. If it becomes necessary, later on, I will talk a little bit more about my role, but for right now I would rather not.

[kingfc22]

Fouts - during my investigation of Alan I discovered that his role is to make sure that people are loyal to the Emperor. If they are not he tries to convert them to follow the Emperor. I just don't see how a Chaos would have this role.

[Fouts]

I actually was curious yesterday when you were threatening Saldana. Its obvious you hold a tiebreaker ability, but I was kind of thinking in my head if you were bluffing about the duke to try to get Saldana to talk. Either way don't read too much into my digging questions at you, you honestly are in my top 6 or 7 more trusted people right now based on your actions... I just am trying to piece everything together in my head so I dont push for someone good's death again like i did to blade.

The thing about saldana is that he says he can spy and saw blade out. Now a couple nights later, he hasn't come forth explaining the situation or giving the villager more information.

To me the lynch targets are saldana, bullet and grey. These guys need to tell us what is up. We could be close to winning this thing.

[Fouts]

Fouts - during my investigation of Alan I discovered that his role is to make sure that people are loyal to the Emperor. If they are not he tries to convert them to follow the Emperor. I just don't see how a Chaos would have this role.

Very good, thanks for reposting that, I must have missed it.

[saldana]

The thing about saldana is that he says he can spy and saw blade out. Now a couple nights later, he hasn't come forth explaining the situation or giving the villager more information.

To me the lynch targets are saldana, bullet and grey. These guys need to tell us what is up. We could be close to winning this thing.
WTF is your malfunction....i have had it with your threats and demands to reveal my role...why dont i just paint a fucking target on my back that says, please kill me...if you are gonna duke me, duke me, i have had it with you and think i would rather die than reveal my role to you.

no villager would be demanding as many reveals as you want...why dont we all just reveal and let the wolves pick between the vaulable players that are left.
unvote grey
vote fouts

[Greyroofoo]

can anyone vouch for fouts?

[saldana]

dola, who the fuck has vouched for you fouts....mmmmm...not a single person....everyone is just letting you walk right by for absolutely no reason....oh look, there is alan, that has been verified by 3 other people saying i am 100% loyal...you have nothing...me 100%...take your demand and shove it...and when i come up perfect if you duke me, will everyone please vote for this guy tomorrow.

[Mustang]

Sal seems pretty quiet ever since he was the main target a few days ago.

If Brian is a Brutal Chaos type role, I'm not sure why he would go this path. Too many players still around to sacrifice himself right now. If there were 5 or 6 people left.. hmm.. maybe but, right now?

[Mustang]

As if on demand, Sal speaks. :D

[saldana]

double dola, now the demanding unverified fouts is gone...he has been in the thread for how long threatening to duke me, but now all of the sudden i call him out and he is no where?

[Mustang]

dola, who the fuck has vouched for you fouts....

Actually, just seems like there are 2 groups vouching for one another. Seems to be a large contigent of us that haven't be 'vouched' for. I say vouched for in quotes because it seems like 20 people can either smell, taste, touch or are psychic... so, I'm not sure what I buy from most of the vouching at this time.

[saldana]

As if on demand, Sal speaks. :D


wow...holy timestamp bug...i did dola all those posts, now you are in between everyone of them

[Mustang]

wow...holy timestamp bug...i did dola all those posts, now you are in between everyone of them

Ya.. that string is wacky..

Don't take my comments that Sal was responding just because I said something.. I must have been typing at the time the post was already out there.

[saldana]

Sal seems pretty quiet ever since he was the main target a few days ago.

If Brian is a Brutal Chaos type role, I'm not sure why he would go this path. Too many players still around to sacrifice himself right now. If there were 5 or 6 people left.. hmm.. maybe but, right now?


because he may not be able to kill who he wants to at night...brutalizing someone is pretty much undefensible. if he is a brutal wolf and gets lynched, he can get at someone who he may not be able to kill on his night.

[Fouts]

WTF is your malfunction....i have had it with your threats and demands to reveal my role...why dont i just paint a fucking target on my back that says, please kill me...if you are gonna duke me, duke me, i have had it with you and think i would rather die than reveal my role to you.

no villager would be demanding as many reveals as you want...why dont we all just reveal and let the wolves pick between the vaulable players that are left.
unvote grey
vote fouts

Not quite the response I was expecting, but interesting all the same. I am just after information, as I think we all are. They can only kill one of us per night.

[Mustang]

because he may not be able to kill who he wants to at night...brutalizing someone is pretty much undefensible. if he is a brutal wolf and gets lynched, he can get at someone who he may not be able to kill on his night.

I was thinking of a Brutal as in being lynched and then taking someone out at the same time of the lynching. I thought someone was suggesting that this was his tactic.. which, didn't make sense.

If there are other brutal 'types', I'd like to hear of them from different games but, this is the role that I thought was being referred to.

[Greyroofoo]

A question, realdeal said that his ability was that he could not be killed at night. As he was clean I believe what he said. Does that ability apply to all primarchs? If so then I would be hesitant to vote for any primarch w/o solid proof, as they would be our last line of defense.

[Swaggs]

Just thinking outloud again (and off the current subject), but if Brian is a brutal wolf, why didn't whoever attempted to kill him die? Path died in "calmly in his bed," so that doesn't sound like a retalliation death.

[saldana]

Not quite the response I was expecting, but interesting all the same. I am just after information, as I think we all are. They can only kill one of us per night.
which is exactly why i HAVENT revealed my role, because i have the ability to collect more, but as soon as the chaos know what i can do, i will be dead

[Fouts]

BTW, I am using my role as I can. The threat of what I can do gets people to talk, and thats what I want. I cannot visit or spy on people like almost everyone else can.

[Greyroofoo]

A question, realdeal said that his ability was that he could not be killed at night. As he was clean I believe what he said. Does that ability apply to all primarchs? If so then I would be hesitant to vote for any primarch w/o solid proof, as they would be our last line of defense.

dola!

given that I do believe there is at least one wolf w/in the primarchs

[Swaggs]

A question, realdeal said that his ability was that he could not be killed at night. As he was clean I believe what he said. Does that ability apply to all primarchs? If so then I would be hesitant to vote for any primarch w/o solid proof, as they would be our last line of defense.

Is that information you really want out in the open?

[Fouts]

which is exactly why i HAVENT revealed my role, because i have the ability to collect more, but as soon as the chaos know what i can do, i will be dead

I think there are bigger targets for the bad guys. I wasn't asking for a role reveal (remember you already revealed you are the spy), I just wanted you to explain the situation with blade.

If you are going to have a seizure about it, then forget it.

[Swaggs]

what is our vote count right now? It seems like things are pretty split up from all the different names being tossed around.

[bulletsponge]

ok what do you want to know about me?

[Greyroofoo]

Is that information you really want out in the open?

if it is true then how can it hurt the villagers?

[Fouts]

if it is true then how can it hurt the villagers?

Did you miss day 1? We want the chaos to waste a night attack on them.

[saldana]

I think there are bigger targets for the bad guys. I wasn't asking for a role reveal (remember you already revealed you are the spy), I just wanted you to explain the situation with blade.

If you are going to have a seizure about it, then forget it.

i am going to have a seizure about being threatened if i dont do what you want. i will play my game, you play yours...you wanna PK me, go ahead...all you have done this game is push people to do things that have weakend our positions by giving targets to our enemies.

[Greyroofoo]

i doubt that after the realdeal fiasco and especially with St. Cronin, Alan T, and twothree's roles revealed the wolves won't bother attacking a primarch for a while.

[Swaggs]

if it is true then how can it hurt the villagers?

Ummm... I would rather have the bad guys trying to kill guys that can defend themselves, so they don't get an automatic kill each night. If we out the folks that can defend themselves at night, then the bad guys can just cherrypick the guys that can't defend themselves.

[Fouts]

i am going to have a seizure about being threatened if i dont do what you want. i will play my game, you play yours...you wanna PK me, go ahead...all you have done this game is push people to do things that have weakend our positions by giving targets to our enemies.

Where is barkeep when we need him. Villagers need information, if you don't see this, then you don't understand the game.

[bulletsponge]

can i get a vote count?

[Fouts]

There seems to be two groups building here. Alan and the people he is visiting/clearing (which are not chaos, but might be mutants). Grey and the people he is visiting/vouching for.

Alan has been upfront about his goings on, Grey has not. While some people remain suspicious, Grey is the most suspicious.

Vote Greyroofoo

[bulletsponge]

whatever happens tonight, if Grey and Alan are still alive i hope they visit each other so we can get some more info on them

[saldana]

Where is barkeep when we need him. Villagers need information, if you don't see this, then you don't understand the game.

absolutely 100% correct, we need information, which is something i cant collect when i am dead, which i would be if i revealed.

[Fouts]

absolutely 100% correct, we need information, which is something i cant collect when i am dead, which i would be if i revealed.

You already revealed. I'm just asking for some information. You said you would tell us more today...

[kingfc22]

So here is where I am at right now.

Today's suspects:
Grey - Put a vote on him, but Alan made a good point about GE vouching for him. I believe Alan to be good, he says GE is in the clear and GE says grey is good.

Bullet - Has grey vouching for him. Says he is the assassin, but has yet to kill anyone.

Chief Rum - Hasn't been around to help us and with all these roles, I am almost optiog to vote for him today to allow our information gatherers another night.

[kingfc22]

Oh yea, forgot about Brian. Think he is most likely a brutal wolf type character.

[kingfc22]

Vote BrianD

[bulletsponge]

tangle vote count plzzz

[Greyroofoo]

i would like a vote count too plz

[tanglewood]

Current Day 4 Vote Count

Chief Rum 3 - st.cronin, bulletsponge, Greyroofoo
Greyroofoo 2 - twothree, Fouts
bulletsponge 2 - Swaggs, GoldenEagle
st.cronin 2 - BrianD, Mustang
BrianD 2 - AlanT, Kingfc
Fouts 1 - saldana

Not Yet Voted: Chief Rum

This is what I think it is, just going back to double check. If there are any discrepencies then say so and I can correct them.

[Greyroofoo]

I personally would not like to vote for Chief Rum since he is a primarch and nobody has any evidence against him one way or another.

However I do not find bulletsponge or BrianD suspicious and the wolves will probably kill st. cronin.

I think we are heading into a villager v. villager bloodfest.

[bulletsponge]

didnt your interogation of me last night show you i wasnt a mutant or chaos?

[Swaggs]

I'd consider switching over to Brian D, but I don't really feel any better about him than I do bulletsponge. The others, I don't really think are good candidates at all, but what do I know?

[Fouts]

I think we have the least amount of info on Chief Rum than anyone. Hard to fathom that he could be a bad guy. Nobody has scanned or visited him, yet we're going to kill him off. I could be wrong, Chief is the only guy I have listed as neutral.

[Greyroofoo]

well since bulletsponge pretty much let the cat out of the bag I'll come clean. There's enough clues that people should've been able to guess my role.

It looks like I have the same role (enforcing the faith) as Alan T.

As everyone knows I visited GoldenEagle the first night (past some bodyguards). I found him to not be a chaos. Goldeneagle seems to be confirmed by other people.

Night 2 I visited BrianD because he seemed under the radar at the time and he had voted for me. He was not chaos.

Night 3 I visited bulletsponge because seemed very suspicious of me and I thought he was acting suspicious. Alas, bulletsponge is not chaos.

I think we villagers are killing each other so I'm revealing my role in hopes that it will stop.

I think if all the 'seers' work together we can root out any chaos quickly assuming we are all on the level.

I was hoping to avoid revealing my role so chaos wouldn't know there was another like Alan T.

The three people I visited are NOT chaos. However I have no idea if they are mutants or not.

[Fouts]

bullet, you should get somebody to help you, because I will switch to you over chief rum.

[Fouts]

well since bulletsponge pretty much let the cat out of the bag I'll come clean. There's enough clues that people should've been able to guess my role.

It looks like I have the same role (enforcing the faith) as Alan T.

As everyone knows I visited GoldenEagle the first night (past some bodyguards). I found him to not be a chaos. Goldeneagle seems to be confirmed by other people.

Night 2 I visited BrianD because he seemed under the radar at the time and he had voted for me. He was not chaos.

Night 3 I visited bulletsponge because seemed very suspicious of me and I thought he was acting suspicious. Alas, bulletsponge is not chaos.

I think we villagers are killing each other so I'm revealing my role in hopes that it will stop.

I think if all the 'seers' work together we can root out any chaos quickly assuming we are all on the level.

I was hoping to avoid revealing my role so chaos wouldn't know there was another like Alan T.

The three people I visited are NOT chaos. However I have no idea if they are mutants or not.

Hogwash.

[kingfc22]

So if I am to believe grey's last post:


The Master of the Administratum - Fouts
The Inquisitor General of Ordo Hereticus - SirFozzie - Killed Night 2, Loyal Human
The Inquisitor General of Ordo Malleus - GoldenEagle NON-CHAOS
The Ecclesiarch of the Adeptus Ministorum - Greyroofoo NON-CHAOS
The Fabricator General of the Adeptus Mechanicus - st.cronin
The Grand Provost Marshal of the Adeptus Arbites - kingfc22 NON-CHAOS
The Paternoval Envoy of the Navigators - Saldana
The Master of the Astronomican - twothree NON-CHAOS
The Grand Master of the Officio Assassinorum - bulletsponge NON-CHAOS
The Master of the Adeptus Astra Telepathica - Anxiety - Executed Day 3, Chaos Acolyte
The Captain-General of the Adeptus Custodes - path12 - Killed Night 3 - Mutant
The Prince-Primate of the Holy Synod - AlanT NON-CHAOS
The Lord Commander Millitant of the Imperial Guard - Blade - Executed Day 2, Loyal Human
Primarch of the Space Wolves - BrianD NON-CHAOS
Primarch of the Ultramarines - Chief Rum
Primarch of the Dark Angels - Mustang
Primarch of the Blood Angels - Swaggs
Primarch of the Black Templars - Real Deal - Executed Day 1, Loyal Human


That leaves me to vote for Fouts, st. cronin. saldana, chief rum, mustang or swaggs.

Unvote BrianD

[Greyroofoo]

how is it hogwash?

[kingfc22]

forgot to add 'for now" under my unvote action

[Swaggs]

Hopefully Chief gets on soon and votes. It would be bad for him to get lynched in a close one, without voting.

[Fouts]

how is it hogwash?

Too convenient. Come on now, in what game do we have 5 seers (twothree, alan, grey, GE, and Foz).

[kingfc22]

Did BrianD talk about meeting someone after night 2?

[Greyroofoo]

you know I visited GE night 1 right?

I was able to get past blade's bodyguards right? Even though Blade was good and GE was good right?

BrianD seemed to have a change of heart about me after night 2 right?

BulletSponge has been begging me to verify him today right? Even though he was heavily suspicious of me right?

[Fouts]

So our "seers" have cleared all of our suspects. Just in case grey really is a seer.

unvote greyroofoo

vote bulletsponge

My reasoning is he is acting suspicious and I don't see where his role helps us.

[Fouts]

So if I am to believe grey's last post:

That leaves me to vote for Fouts, st. cronin. saldana, chief rum, mustang or swaggs.



saldana was cleared by alan.

[Greyroofoo]

Did BrianD talk about meeting someone after night 2?

a quick scan by me reveals BrianD does allude to it in post 1320

[Fouts]

you know I visited GE night 1 right?

I was able to get past blade's bodyguards right? Even though Blade was good and GE was good right?

BrianD seemed to have a change of heart about me after night 2 right?

BulletSponge has been begging me to verify him today right? Even though he was heavily suspicious of me right?

What concerns me is that the Chaos and Mutant leaders can visit (PM) one person per night to discover their identity. So, that would lead me to believe that you and Alan are those leaders. You will clear people each night, some will be good, some won't.

[Chief Rum]

I am 100% loyal to the Emperor, and I find it disturbing that this group continues to vote for me when I am absent during the day, even knowing I work all day with no access to this site.

Nevertheless, here I am, as usual, in time to make my vote, and I see it's an importent one.

Alas, I cannot make a vote based on evidence, because I need it for self preservation.

So without further ado...

VOTE BULLETSPONGE

He has struck me funny all game anyway, since I'm naturally suspicious of him after the last game.

[Fouts]

Expanding on what I said before, how does Grey/Alan visiting somebody clear Grey or Alan?

I would really like to know, because it fits in with them being the leaders.

[Greyroofoo]

is it too much to ask that we have kingfc scan me before you vote for me or anyone that I'm vouching for?

He'll verify my role.

[kingfc22]

I'm saying that someone came into my room last night with a knife. I was able to take it from him and chase him away, but I couldn't identify him. I figured with you being an assassin, it had to be you. Not so?

This post is referring to night 3. I'm not buying grey's post. Something fishy is going on here.

Vote Greyroofoo.

[Swaggs]

What concerns me is that the Chaos and Mutant leaders can visit (PM) one person per night to discover their identity. So, that would lead me to believe that you and Alan are those leaders. You will clear people each night, some will be good, some won't.

How do we know this about the leaders being able to PM?

[Greyroofoo]

Chief Rum, is there anyway you'll remove your vote from bulletsponge if I remove my vote from you?

[tanglewood]

Current Day 4 Vote Count

bulletsponge 4 - Swaggs, GoldenEagle, Fouts, Chief Rum
Chief Rum 3 - st.cronin, bulletsponge, Greyroofoo
st.cronin 2 - BrianD, Mustang
BrianD 2 - AlanT
Greyroofoo 2 - twothree, Kingfc
Fouts 1 - saldana

[Chief Rum]

I can't role reveal at this time, but I do have a night action that could be very helpful. I don't know that it rates with seers, but it's something that will aid our cause against the Chaos. I wish Blade were around to protect all of us with these roles. And path, too, who could have used being protected (IMO, his role was more important than his mutant status, at least until we could narrow down some more Chaos).

[Chief Rum]

Chief Rum, is there anyway you'll remove your vote from bulletsponge if I remove my vote from you?

Who would I then vote for? If you can quickly state why I should do this, I will consider it, but you will have to type quick. Any other opinions from others are worth it as well.

[Fouts]

How do we know this about the leaders being able to PM?

After rereading the rules, it seems the Mutant Psyker PM's each night looking for other mutants. The Chaos can freely PM and kill once per night.

[Greyroofoo]

I'm saying that the person GoldenEagle knows about is probably the same person Bullet knows about. I have good reason to suspect this, and since you are one of the few people I do think I have a good read on, I'm asking you to join my vote. I still don't know that st.cronin is bad, but he is on my suspect list so I was about to join your in voting for him before you changed.

this is the post 1320 i get

[bulletsponge]

Unvote Chief rum

Vote Swaggs

[Greyroofoo]

Who would I then vote for? If you can quickly state why I should do this, I will consider it, but you will have to type quick. Any other opinions from others are worth it as well.

st. cronin or fouts are the only worthy options.

[Greyroofoo]

swaggs too

[bulletsponge]

im a villager, i guess the only way to prove it is to die

[Chief Rum]

This might put me on the chopping block, but okay...

UNVOTE BULLETSPONGE

VOTE ST. CRONIN

[kingfc22]

this is the post 1320 i get

I know, but if you read 1307, 1308, 1311, 1314 and 1317 which leads up to 1320. They were talking about night 3.

[bulletsponge]

i dont really have an idea of whios bad, im just confused. even the "seers" seem to many to all be good

[Greyroofoo]

unvote chief rum
vote st cronin

[Fouts]

very suspicious manuevering

[kingfc22]

Unvote Greyroofoo
Vote Bullet

[Greyroofoo]

i don't have a good read on st. cronin but I believe bulletsponge is good

[Fouts]

so bullet, grey and CR just saved bullet.

[bulletsponge]

\o/ sweet. lets hope st cronin is bad

[Swaggs]

This smells bad for Chief Rum.

[saldana]

why swaggs

[Chief Rum]

I have reason to believe greyroofoo at this point, so I have chosen to follow what he is saying. But I fear I may be played. If so, I apologize to st. cronin for the vote.

And with Fouts in bulletsponge's group, I am not sure it saves him.

[bulletsponge]

yea im still dead i think. i hope Fouts hangs for this

[Fouts]

I don't have a read on cronin, but these 3 just took me out of any chance to get bullet or grey.

[tanglewood]

Voting closed.

[kingfc22]

I changed my vote to Bullet. The bullet, Brian, Grey group does not sit well with me.

[Chief Rum]

This smells bad for Chief Rum.

I agree. greyroofoo better be right or I am (maybe deservingly) a dead man, loyal or not.

[Greyroofoo]

i apologize to st cronin too if he's good, but I belive bulletsponge is good

[saldana]

unvote fouts
vote greyroofoo

[Swaggs]

why swaggs

Coming in at the last minute and immediately following someone else seems like a strange move. I guess he is saving his hide, but he could have voted elsewhere than st. cronin and had a tie. All the last minute switching seems a little choreographed to me, but that is just my opinion.

[saldana]

shit....too slow

[Greyroofoo]

damn, this is one very interesting game of Werewolf, kudos to tanglewood!

[saldana]

I am 100% loyal to the Emperor, and I find it disturbing that this group continues to vote for me when I am absent during the day, even knowing I work all day with no access to this site.

Nevertheless, here I am, as usual, in time to make my vote, and I see it's an importent one.

Alas, I cannot make a vote based on evidence, because I need it for self preservation.

So without further ado...

VOTE BULLETSPONGE

He has struck me funny all game anyway, since I'm naturally suspicious of him after the last game.


so chief rum went from complaining about not knowing who to vote for to blindly following a late run onto cronin?....you better hope cronin is bad.

[tanglewood]

FINAL Day 4 Vote Count

bulletsponge 4 - Swaggs, GoldenEagle, Fouts, Kingfc
st.cronin 4 - BrianD, Mustang, Chief Rum, Greyroofoo
Greyroofoo 1 - twothree
Chief Rum 1 - st.cronin
BrianD 1 - AlanT
Fouts 1 - saldana
Swaggs 1 - bulletsponge

Write up coming.

[saldana]

Coming in at the last minute and immediately following someone else seems like a strange move. I guess he is saving his hide, but he could have voted elsewhere than st. cronin and had a tie. All the last minute switching seems a little choreographed to me, but that is just my opinion.
i agree

[Chief Rum]

damn, this is one very interesting game of Werewolf, kudos to tanglewood!

Greyroofoo, could you please state your case on those three, Fouts, st. cronin and Swaggs. I am moving on a hunch, and frankly that's not enough for me. Or why you are so sure on bullet? Do you know he is good?

[kingfc22]

I'm going to bet that cronin is a mutant.

[bulletsponge]

Coming in at the last minute and immediately following someone else seems like a strange move. I guess he is saving his hide, but he could have voted elsewhere than st. cronin and had a tie. All the last minute switching seems a little choreographed to me, but that is just my opinion.

choreographed enough to not pick the same person still leaving my neck in the rope. did i survive the vote? alot of changes at the end so im not sure

[saldana]

that entire thing seemed entirely too coordinated.

[bulletsponge]

looking at the final, im the dead one. it seems fouts was hell bent on killing me, and he will look the fool once the results are in