Werewolf 40,000: The Horus Heresy CHAOS DEFEATED; MUTANTS SURVIVE

[Chief Rum]

so chief rum went from complaining about not knowing who to vote for to blindly following a late run onto cronin?....you better hope cronin is bad.

I agree, but I have reason to follow grey's lead on this one, which was better than my blind pick of bulletsponge. I am hanging my fate on greyroofoo, so if he is wrong, I would be as deserving to die as he.

[bulletsponge]

damn should have picked cronin instead of swaggs

[Greyroofoo]

looks like bulletsponge is on the chopping block

I tried my best bullet :(

I am pleading to fouts to spare bulletsponge

[Fouts]

FINAL Day 4 Vote Count

bulletsponge 4 - Swaggs, GoldenEagle, Fouts, Kingfc
st.cronin 4 - BrianD, Mustang, Chief Rum, Greyroofoo
Greyroofoo 1 - twothree
Chief Rum 1 - st.cronin
BrianD 1 - AlanT
Fouts 1 - saldana
Swaggs 1 - bulletsponge

Write up coming.

So, instead of saving himself by voting for cronin, bullet voted for swaggs?

[Swaggs]

choreographed enough to not pick the same person still leaving my neck in the rope. did i survive the vote? alot of changes at the end so im not sure

Funny that you are so defensive when I didn't name you or refer to your vote, isn't it? Are you grouping yourself with chief and grey purposely?

[bulletsponge]

yea, and i pray your ass is next, my role is obviously a villager role. and i had a seer vouching for me.

[Greyroofoo]

Greyroofoo, could you please state your case on those three, Fouts, st. cronin and Swaggs. I am moving on a hunch, and frankly that's not enough for me. Or why you are so sure on bullet? Do you know he is good?

I have no real information on fouts, st. cronin, and swaggs. I just know that bulletsponge is NOT chaos and I'm trying to save his hide.

[Fouts]

looking at the final, im the dead one. it seems fouts was hell bent on killing me, and he will look the fool once the results are in

It won't be the first time I look the fool. I have nothing to go on but everyones post. I am trying to find chaos here and would rather have killed grey, but didn't have the votes.

[Chief Rum]

I have no real information on fouts, st. cronin, and swaggs. I just know that bulletsponge is NOT chaos and I'm trying to save his hide.

But I asked you for other options, and you picked those three. Surely there was a reason? While picking someone at random is better than killing a known villager, it certainly is not the best option. Do you have a gut feeling on these three? Something to go on?

[Swaggs]

It won't be the first time I look the fool. I have nothing to go on but everyones post. I am trying to find chaos here and would rather have killed grey, but didn't have the votes.

Can't you choose who you want in a tie?

[Fouts]

looks like bulletsponge is on the chopping block

I tried my best bullet :(

I am pleading to fouts to spare bulletsponge

Whats done is done. By saying bullet is a villager, does not clear you of being chaos. I wanted to lynch you instead.

[Greyroofoo]

that entire thing seemed entirely too coordinated.

if it was coordinated then bulletsponge would not be at the mercy of fouts

[kingfc22]

if it was coordinated then bulletsponge would not be at the mercy of fouts

He would have been safe if I didn't change my vote.

[Greyroofoo]

But I asked you for other options, and you picked those three. Surely there was a reason? While picking someone at random is better than killing a known villager, it certainly is not the best option. Do you have a gut feeling on these three? Something to go on?

those 3 had votes, thus being easiest to save bullet

[Fouts]

if it was coordinated then bulletsponge would not be at the mercy of fouts

You obviously know alot more than I do about who is who. If I got it wrong, so be it. I will be coming hard after you tomorrow.

[Chief Rum]

if it was coordinated then bulletsponge would not be at the mercy of fouts

Ditto. This move did nothing. All it shows is that a group of loyal servants of the Emperor have seen that a good villager will die if they don't do something, and they made the effort to do it--and the villager himself ends up responsible for us death because he voted for Swaggs.

[Fouts]

if it was coordinated then bulletsponge would not be at the mercy of fouts

Oh and blame bullet for not saving himself and voting for cronin.

[Greyroofoo]

i just hope fouts can be impartial and at least review past posts before he makes a decision

[tanglewood]

Another day in which new information and accusations come to light and are liberally tossed around by all towards all. At some point or another bulletsponge, st.cronin, Chief Rum and Greyroofoo all seem to be the prime candidate, but eventually it is the first two who end tied when the council come s to formally vote. Fouts once more exercises his privelige to take the ultimate decision and declares that bulletsonge shall be exececuted today.

Bullet steps forward, shaking but defiant, and declares that you are all making a horrid mistake. He is slowly brought towards the execution stand and starts shouting at the members who voted for him, "You will pay for your sins against the Emperor! If not at the hands of my Assasins, then perhaps Chaos itself will take you all. As he judges our success of the last few days, perhaps the Emperor himself will wish it upon us." He lays his head on the chopping block and the executioner, who's dress uniform is now an increasingly grisly sight, once more handles his task swiftly. The eagerness to test the body had subdued after the speech and is now positively deflated when all measures and readings show bullet to be a normal human specemin. How much longer can this blood be shed in the name of the Emperor?

Night 4 will end at 10PM EST ON SUNDAY

[Mustang]

Was already said but, it is odd that bullet voted for Swaggs and didn't save himself by voting for Cronin...

If bullet turns to be Chaos or a Mutant, would make sense that Cronin was the head of either group so, Bullet is saving his master.. so to speak.

[Swaggs]

You guys are all conveniently ignoring the fact that king made a late switch to tie it back up, or else st. cronin would have "won" the vote.

[bulletsponge]

at least i wont have to worry about killing a villager wiht my assassins now

[kingfc22]

Ughhh. Wish this tie was between BrianD and Greyroofoo.

[Fouts]

i just hope fouts can be impartial and at least review past posts before he makes a decision

I went back and looked at the bullet - realdeal matchup. You, brian and mustang all had late votes to take bullet off the chopping block and kill realdeal. I based my decision on that.

[Swaggs]

Well... this seems like a good time to take a two day break because I obviously have no idea what the hell is going on...

[Mustang]

You guys are all conveniently ignoring the fact that king made a late switch to tie it back up, or else st. cronin would have "won" the vote.

There was so much hoping around, I didn't have time to read everything that transpired. At least there is a few days now to catch back up.

[Greyroofoo]

well I hope bullet's death will at least give you some faith in me

[Fouts]

I will take the blame for bullets death.

[Greyroofoo]

i'm sorry bullet :(

i tried

[Chief Rum]

You guys are all conveniently ignoring the fact that king made a late switch to tie it back up, or else st. cronin would have "won" the vote.

Are you referring to us saying how we attempted to save bullet and were foiled by king, as an attack on us who made this run (to save a good villager, I might add)? Or are you sayign this to point the finger at king, who perhaps stepped in and saved a fellow mutant or Chaos cohort at the last minute?

[Fouts]

well I hope bullet's death will at least give you some faith in me

Nope. Wolves routinely clear known good people to make themselves look good. Hopefully we will get some more info on you over the weekend.

[Greyroofoo]

who here besides me KNEW that bullet was good?

[Swaggs]

Nope. Wolves routinely clear known good people to make themselves look good. Hopefully we will get some more info on you over the weekend.

Agreed. The fact that there are two bad factions really throws a wrench into trust in this game. A chaos could help nail a mutant or a mutant a chaos, but that still doesn't completely clear them. And there are other factors at work, as well, I have a feeling.

This was a well designed game, but hard as hell to play.

[bulletsponge]

voice from the grave *Me*

[Chief Rum]

who here besides me KNEW that bullet was good?

I did not know. If I had, I wouldn't have voted for him. I followed you on that one on faith. So I am glad you were right, even if we failed to save him.

[Fouts]

who here besides me KNEW that bullet was good?

All the Chaos.

[Swaggs]

Are you referring to us saying how we attempted to save bullet and were foiled by king, as an attack on us who made this run (to save a good villager, I might add)? Or are you sayign this to point the finger at king, who perhaps stepped in and saved a fellow mutant or Chaos cohort at the last minute?

It doesn't really matter at this point since bullet was obviously telling the truth and I was wrong.

[bulletsponge]

now that im dead i can play my hidden role- Brain Hungry Zombie :)



joking

[Greyroofoo]

all I know is that right now me and my fellow seers should probably coordinate who to scan

[Greyroofoo]

dola, all I know is that I am mad and right now there are some girls with good cleavage and beer outside my room. So I'll see ya all in a while

[Chief Rum]

It doesn't really matter at this point since bullet was obviously telling the truth and I was wrong.

Generally true, but that doesn't mean there is nothing to take from your point there. king did come in and save st. cronin, and waffled on voting for both me and greyroofoo today, if I recall correctly. Whatever conspiracy theory is brought up, the fact is we tried to save a villager and king stopped us from doing that.

Of course, Fouts is also very prevalent here, because he was not only here and able to change his vote, but he didn't, and then put the nail in bullet's coffin personally.

[Fouts]

Twothree said he scanned Anxiety and he was abnormal.

Grey claims to be a seer, and that he scanned bullet and he was good.

Which is more trustworthy? How many games have 2 seers?

[Swaggs]

Alright fellas. My brain hurts.

I'm going to play some FOF to recover.

Have a good one. :)

[Fouts]

Generally true, but that doesn't mean there is nothing to take from your point there. king did come in and save st. cronin, and waffled on voting for both me and greyroofoo today, if I recall correctly. Whatever conspiracy theory is brought up, the fact is we tried to save a villager and king stopped us from doing that.

Of course, Fouts is also very prevalent here, because he was not only here and able to change his vote, but he didn't, and then put the nail in bullet's coffin personally.

CR, while it may look like king saved st. cronin, YOU had the lead the entire day. You and Grey voted for the same guy at the last minute, and made it look like you were saving bullet.

[Fouts]

What I don't get out of all this mess is that bullet kept begging grey to say that he was good. How does bullet know that grey scanned him.

[Fouts]

What I don't get out of all this mess is that bullet kept begging grey to say that he was good. How does bullet know that grey scanned him.

I guess grey visited him. I give up. I don't have enough abilities to be making any judgements. Later.

[Chief Rum]

CR, while it may look like king saved st. cronin, YOU had the lead the entire day. You and Grey voted for the same guy at the last minute, and made it look like you were saving bullet.

Yes, I had the lead all day, because I was at work and couldn't respond. That's some wonderful reasoning. :rolleyes:

At least if people voted for me tomorrow after the odd events at the deadline, I could understand it.

Did you do anything to stop a lynching of a player who openly said that he wouldn't be here all day, and whom people have said there is little to no evidence against? Of course you didn't.

At least I will go to rest tonight knowing I didn't kill a good villager today. How will you rest? Oh wait, maybe you'll be just fine, eh, Chaos lord?

[Mustang]

Twothree said he scanned Anxiety and he was abnormal.

Grey claims to be a seer, and that he scanned bullet and he was good.

Which is more trustworthy? How many games have 2 seers?

My guess is there probably could be up to 3 psykers that can detect differences.

A mutant, imperial and chaos. My guess is that they can detect similar traits in trying to detect if someone is like them.

Very possible that Grey and 2-3 are 'seers'.. just one is not an imperial and one is either chaos/mutant. You can't rule out chaos just because someone is saying they are a seer because, if the mutant psyker is looking for people that are the same, maybe the demon lord is looking for the same too and in the same method as the mutant boss.. It would be just as easy to say yep.. he's good, he's good.

A chaos seer pointing out all the known good people? Granted, I would find that very risky but, hey.. anything is possible. For me.. sure would be hard to vote for someone that is pointing out good people..

[kingfc22]

Unfortunately I am in the ineviable position of trying to get a bad guy and by switching my vote late and instead a good guy dies. Of course, if Bullet wanted to save himself all he had to do is change his vote to cronin instead of swaggs.

[Greyroofoo]

ok, I guess i forgot that girls with cleavage in military dorms = gonnorea(sp?)

bullet knows that I visited him last night to reassure his faith in the emperor.

I have to visit people to work my ability

[Greyroofoo]

i can not explain why bullet did not change his vote, you have to ask bullet that yourself

[Greyroofoo]

my suspicious people in no particular order:
fouts
chief rum
swaggs
mustang
st. cronin
kingfc

to my knowledge nobody is vouching for these people.

[Chief Rum]

ok, I guess i forgot that girls with cleavage in military dorms = gonnorea(sp?)

bullet knows that I visited him last night to reassure his faith in the emperor.

I have to visit people to work my ability

Two things to say about this.

One, grey met with GE in a much noted encounter on Night One, and AlanT, who also appears able to judge a player's loyalty to the emperor, said GE came up clean. AlanT has largely come off as clean, and GE did not say anything bad about grey's visit, so my inclination is to believe grey has this ability.

Two, both grey's and AlanT's abilities remind me of hoopsguy's ability to test the faith of a player a couple games ago, and that was a role related to his his public role, not a night action like a seer. While hoopsguy ended up being a baddie, the precedent is set for someone to be able to judge another's allegiances and loyalties through "heart to hearts", even when they are not seers. So what I am saying is I am not all that disturbed that we would have multiple seer-type roles in this game.

[Chief Rum]

my suspicious people in no particular order:
fouts
chief rum
swaggs
mustang
st. cronin
kingfc

to my knowledge nobody is vouching for these people.

That's a shame, considering the faith I showed in you. I assure you, I am completely loyal to the Emperor, and in a short time, will prove it to everyone.

[BrianD]

Damn, I wish I had been around tonight to save Bullet. If you look back at the earlier discussion today, I immediately unvoted for Bullet after he talked about someone visiting him during the night, and aggressively verifying his loyalty to the emperor. The reason I jumped off of him so quickly is because what Bullet said matched so closely with what happened to me the night before.

Grey came into my room on night two and wouldn't leave until he was convinced that I was loyal to the emperor. This was not a secret scan like King made, this was a full-on interrogation. This is also why I jumped off of Grey/GE after night 2. Grey's description of his actions each of the three nights has been verified by GE, me. and Bullet. GE was cleared by Alan, and Bullet has been cleared by his death. I welcome Alan to view me tonight if he wants to, but there should be so many clues available that he shouldn't need to.

At this point, I 100% trust that Grey, GE, Alan, and Saldana, and twothree are not Chaos. There could be some mutants mixed in there though.

Untrusted are Mustang, Fouts, Chief Rum, st.cronin, kingfc22, swaggs. There are at least 2 Chaos in there and possibly some mutants.

The reveal about me being able to kill someone during my death is correct. I have no idea how I was able to fend off last night's attack since there is nothing spelled out in my role saying that I can do that. I am a fierce warrior, but there was nothing about halting an attack. If the Chaos do come after me tonight, at least I'll have the satisfaction of knowing that I'll take one of them with me when I go.

[BrianD]

dola,

With everything that went on today, I hope Alan can understand why I asked him to change his vote back when he changed to Bullet. I could have outted Grey and his nightly visits, but I expected Grey to out himself if Bullet or I really got into trouble. I wanted to respect his secret as long as he wanted to keep it. True to my hopes, he outted himself when things got hairy, but I think Alan was already gone before he could change his vote.

[Abe Sargent]

*waves*


EDITEDITEDIT: Normally I wouldn't edit a post in WW, but this is my 4,500th post, and I wanted to point that out. Yay

[BrianD]

double dola,

It might be helpful for our three seers to talk among themselves and come up with a plan for the night's viewing. There aren't that many still outside the circle of trust, and you guys could each pick a different person and be almost assured of finding either a mutant or a Chaos member.

[BrianD]

*waves*

You broke my double dola. :(

[Fouts]

Damn, I wish I had been around tonight to save Bullet. If you look back at the earlier discussion today, I immediately unvoted for Bullet after he talked about someone visiting him during the night, and aggressively verifying his loyalty to the emperor. The reason I jumped off of him so quickly is because what Bullet said matched so closely with what happened to me the night before.

Grey came into my room on night two and wouldn't leave until he was convinced that I was loyal to the emperor. This was not a secret scan like King made, this was a full-on interrogation. This is also why I jumped off of Grey/GE after night 2. Grey's description of his actions each of the three nights has been verified by GE, me. and Bullet. GE was cleared by Alan, and Bullet has been cleared by his death. I welcome Alan to view me tonight if he wants to, but there should be so many clues available that he shouldn't need to.

At this point, I 100% trust that Grey, GE, Alan, and Saldana, and twothree are not Chaos. There could be some mutants mixed in there though.

Untrusted are Mustang, Fouts, Chief Rum, st.cronin, kingfc22, swaggs. There are at least 2 Chaos in there and possibly some mutants.

The reveal about me being able to kill someone during my death is correct. I have no idea how I was able to fend off last night's attack since there is nothing spelled out in my role saying that I can do that. I am a fierce warrior, but there was nothing about halting an attack. If the Chaos do come after me tonight, at least I'll have the satisfaction of knowing that I'll take one of them with me when I go.

I wish you were around, too. You would have changed my mind. How do you know that Grey isn't a bad guy testing you?

I assure you I am a floundering villager. I will leave it up to the cleared guys to decide who to lynch.

[Abe Sargent]

You broke my double dola. :(



<==== Still having an impact on the game ;)

[BrianD]

I wish you were around, too. You would have changed my mind. How do you know that Grey isn't a bad guy testing you?

I assure you I am a floundering villager. I will leave it up to the cleared guys to decide who to lynch.

The wording of our encounter convinced me. He was pretty extreme in making sure that I really am loyal to the emperor. If he turns out to be bad, it would be one hell of a misleading encounter. I was really left with the fealing that I would have been in deep stuff if I hadn't been loyal to the emperor. The fact that Bullet got the same visit, talked about the same experience and came out of it alive told me that Bullet really was loyal to the emperor...as has been verified through his death. I can't say that Grey isn't a mutant, but I am convinced that he isn't Chaos. I'm also convinced that GE isn't chaos or Grey wouldn't be speaking for him.

[GoldenEagle]

Wow, alot went down after I left.

[BrianD]

I really wish I had strong lynching feelings towards anyone. This game has been all about process of elimination. I feel like we have eliminated a bunch of people as being some kind of human, but there are still too many unknowns. I'm hoping we get some good info next morning.

[Fouts]

The wording of our encounter convinced me. He was pretty extreme in making sure that I really am loyal to the emperor. If he turns out to be bad, it would be one hell of a misleading encounter. I was really left with the fealing that I would have been in deep stuff if I hadn't been loyal to the emperor. The fact that Bullet got the same visit, talked about the same experience and came out of it alive told me that Bullet really was loyal to the emperor...as has been verified through his death. I can't say that Grey isn't a mutant, but I am convinced that he isn't Chaos. I'm also convinced that GE isn't chaos or Grey wouldn't be speaking for him.

Ok. Kinda weird that we have 3 seers (twothree, grey, alan) running around. Your story sounds good, but you have been known to fool people before.

[BrianD]

Ok. Kinda weird that we have 3 seers (twothree, grey, alan) running around. Your story sounds good, but you have been known to fool people before.

I agree that it is weird, but the evidence seems pretty strong. Grey said Bullet was good, and he was right. Twothree said Anxiety was abnormal, and he was right. Alan said path was loyal to the emperor and he was right.

It is possible that twothree gave up a fellow chaos member to make himself trustworthy, but I don't think that is the case.

Alan may have been trying to shield the mutant Path, but it seems like his 'discussions' were verified by enough people that I trust his non-chaos sensing at the least. At this point, I'm unhappy with myself for arguing against having Alan and st.cronin put in the cells together.

There are just too many stories that are matching up. It is possible that I am the one being fooled, but I think we really do have 3 seers.

[twothree]

Wow. A very interesting day. I am glad we have time to think everything through, including taking a day or so to just step away from all of this insanity. Echoing the statements of others, nice game tanglewood.

One of the things about bulletsponge's death from my point of view is that everything he wrote over the last four day can now probably be considered true. And, I hope he was able to leave behind some helpful information when I go back and reread his posts.

[st.cronin]

WTF is your malfunction....i have had it with your threats and demands to reveal my role...why dont i just paint a fucking target on my back that says, please kill me...if you are gonna duke me, duke me, i have had it with you and think i would rather die than reveal my role to you.

no villager would be demanding as many reveals as you want...why dont we all just reveal and let the wolves pick between the vaulable players that are left.
unvote grey
vote fouts


Catching up, but I'm a villager and I 100% agree with Fouts logic. There are way too many players claiming to be villagers but playing shady. Saldana's one of them. I'm not saying I think he's bad, but I think the Chaos are loving it. Twothree is the only good guy that has actually done anything to help us. EVerybody else is pointing is in the wrong direction.

[st.cronin]

I am 100% loyal to the emperor. The reason nobody has cleared me is because I have BEEN IN JAIL EVERY NIGHT! I don't think my role is all that important - if I had to guess the mechanic, after I die, there are x number of days left for us to find the chaos.

I think Chief Rum needs to be investigated thoroughly.

[BrianD]

Twothree is the only good guy that has actually done anything to help us. EVerybody else is pointing is in the wrong direction.

That statement surprises me....but it probably shouldn't.

[st.cronin]

doladola

I encourage all seers and bodyguards to protect/view me tonight. I assume at least one of these seers is bad - it might be interesting to do a little test, see if the bad guys are willing to finger me as bad in order to starve the emperor.

[st.cronin]

That statement surprises me....but it probably shouldn't.

No, it shouldn't surprise you. Saldana was most vocal in lynching Realdeal and Blade, and attempted to discredit Anxiety's accusers. Maybe he's loyal, maybe he's bad - but he's pointing us in the wrong direction. AlanT has been right with Saldana. Probably he's loyal, too, but who knows. And GE and grey have done nothing but act mysterious. It's possible that all of these "cleared/seer" players are good - it's also possible that one of them is bad.

[st.cronin]

more dola

I voted for Anxiety on day 1, and argued against RealDeal. I pointed out that path was acting fishy - which nobody else wanted to believe. I've accused both known mutants and known Chaos. I am 100% loyal to the emperor.

[Alan T]

I'm not sure if Stcronin is just feeling pressured or just confused about people's roles or what, but he came off really wolfish this morning to me. Wanting every seer to scan you and then saying ahead of time that you wouldn't be suprised if one seer said you were bad just to set you up... C'mon...

I'm not sure who I am scanning yet, there is a list of 7 that I am curious about scanning and haven't decided yet. I highly suspect it won't matter for me, I would be suprised if i am not the night target tonight.

As for putting together a circle of trust, I tried to put together what I think I understand who's vouching for who. I would call this the non-chaos circle of trust. I highly suspect there are mutants in this circle, but would be suprised if there were any chaos. (Only possibility I can think of is unlucky convert of someone already scanned)

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y19/Turlos/wwtrusts.jpg

There are both 2 way trusts and 1 way trusts on that list. I also am starting to think that its going to end up harder trying to track down all of the mutants than the chaos actually. I am thinking there are 2 or at most 3 if conversion chaos left.

I've also been trying to play in my mind the whole three seer thing. I am pretty sure I know what you are up to Grey, but I also am pretty sure you are not chaos. I also don't know of any possible way to test my theory right now without your death though, which I'm not sure is a good thing right now for the human non-mutants.

I've been back and forth in my mind about twothree.. I had almost talked myself into thinking twothree was actually good and our only way of tracking down mutants other than luck and voting patterns. That was until Stcronin's posts which then made me go back to my original thinking that twothree might have been a chaos who setup Anxiety to build trust... Thats something else I'm not sure I want to pursue just yet either...

I think right now the best people to look at are:

St.cronin
Mustang
chiefrum
kingfc22
swaggs
fouts

in that order... at least till we can rule out folks and narrow it down some.

If anyone has any idea of how to narrow down mutants, I'm all ears. Only thing I could think of so far is each time Greyfooroo has come up as a lynch candidate, who was for lynching him I'm guessing are not mutants. (But could be wrong there too!)

Anyways, I'm pretty sure I'll be dead but if not I'll put in a scan on someone, just not sure who yet. This game has been crazy!

[st.cronin]

Well, if you think all the people that have claimed to be seers are 100% loyal to the emperor, I can't agree with that. What I am anticipating at some point is a showdown - one seer comes forward and says this person is a wolf, and another says "whoa, he's clean." The village needs to be prepared for that.

[st.cronin]

dola

my circle of trust: twothree, and that's it

My #1 suspect, by a hair, is ChiefRum, because of the way he evaded the noose yesterday

[Alan T]

Well, if you think all the people that have claimed to be seers are 100% loyal to the emperor, I can't agree with that. What I am anticipating at some point is a showdown - one seer comes forward and says this person is a wolf, and another says "whoa, he's clean." The village needs to be prepared for that.


I already hinted at what I think Grey is. I have no idea on twothree. We'll see what he comes up with over the next few days.

[st.cronin]

I already hinted at what I think Grey is. I have no idea on twothree. We'll see what he comes up with over the next few days.


Twothree is probably neck and neck with me as far as wolf targets. The thing that saldana and you are not getting is that in a game like this, the sooner the village lays all their cards on the table, the easier the game is to win. I have no idea if Fouts is clean or not, but he's been saying the same thing, and I absolutely agree with him.

[Alan T]

Twothree is probably neck and neck with me as far as wolf targets. The thing that saldana and you are not getting is that in a game like this, the sooner the village lays all their cards on the table, the easier the game is to win. I have no idea if Fouts is clean or not, but he's been saying the same thing, and I absolutely agree with him.



I am confused. I thought I have been completely open. In fact I thought I had given the most information about what my entire role is, who my entire circle of trust is and pretty much tried to lay down a path of us not lynching further villagers if possible. If people had listened yetserday to greyfooroo when he said several times to not lynch bullet, then we wouldnt have lynched him then either.

You keep coming off sounding like a wolf to me. There isnt anything more I can share, you saying I am hiding something is just silly.

[Alan T]

Dola in fact, I know very little about your role or anything about you St.cronin other than you "Feed" the emperor. I would have to say I have provided at least 30 times more information than you this game. So to call me out as not sharing information is pretty shortsighted.

[st.cronin]

I am confused. I thought I have been completely open. In fact I thought I had given the most information about what my entire role is, who my entire circle of trust is and pretty much tried to lay down a path of us not lynching further villagers if possible. If people had listened yetserday to greyfooroo when he said several times to not lynch bullet, then we wouldnt have lynched him then either.

You keep coming off sounding like a wolf to me. There isnt anything more I can share, you saying I am hiding something is just silly.


You have consistently defended saldana and GE, who have played incredibly shady games. I don't mean defended them in terms of "they are good" but defended their strategy, which has been useless. You (or one of the ones you have cleared, I forget) have also attacked me and Fouts for insisting that players share information, instead of playing secretly. The wolf we got was the result of a player laying his cards on the table - we need MORE of that, not LESS. And if you are not with me attacking the players who are hiding information that can help the village, then I am suspicious of YOU.

[st.cronin]

dola

kingfc described my role perfectly, I have no other information about anybody.

[Alan T]

You have consistently defended saldana and GE, who have played incredibly shady games. I don't mean defended them in terms of "they are good" but defended their strategy, which has been useless. You (or one of the ones you have cleared, I forget) have also attacked me and Fouts for insisting that players share information, instead of playing secretly. The wolf we got was the result of a player laying his cards on the table - we need MORE of that, not LESS. And if you are not with me attacking the players who are hiding information that can help the village, then I am suspicious of YOU.

You really need to get your players straight when accusing me of stuff.

I've constantly asked GE and Grey for more information. I also said I am curious to hear from Saldana about what the deal with Blade was. You are not even right about what i have and have not done. THis smells really alot like a wolf to me. Making up things about me to try to group me in a certain category sure isnt going to help us win.

The only thing I have defended GE and Saldana about is saying that I knew they were not chaos and thus not a good vote choice right now. Stop making up things about me and maybe be a little bit more open about yourself instead.

[st.cronin]

The only thing I have defended GE and Saldana about is saying that I knew they were not chaos and thus not a good vote choice right now. Stop making up things about me and maybe be a little bit more open about yourself instead.

Wasn't it you that said Fouts was suspicious for asking for information? It's possible I have you mixed up with somebody else, but right now it's YOU who is coming after ME. And I have been completely open. I have been locked up EVERY NIGHT. I have no night time role, and even if I had, I have had no chance to use it. My role is that I feed the emperor.

Again, you're the one who has been coming hard at ME. I named both Anxiety and path as suspicious - one a mutant, the other chaos. But go ahead and lynch me, or assasinate me.

[Alan T]

Wasn't it you that said Fouts was suspicious for asking for information? It's possible I have you mixed up with somebody else, but right now it's YOU who is coming after ME. And I have been completely open. I have been locked up EVERY NIGHT. I have no night time role, and even if I had, I have had no chance to use it. My role is that I feed the emperor.

Again, you're the one who has been coming hard at ME. I named both Anxiety and path as suspicious - one a mutant, the other chaos. But go ahead and lynch me, or assasinate me.

I asked questions of Fouts yesterday, but I have pretty much said several times that Fouts is my most trusted person of people who havent been "cleared" Just his actions feel to me that he is good.

You clearly have me confused with someone else I think, or are trying to get people riled up against a seer. Not sure which.

[st.cronin]

I asked questions of Fouts yesterday, but I have pretty much said several times that Fouts is my most trusted person of people who havent been "cleared" Just his actions feel to me that he is good.

You clearly have me confused with someone else I think, or are trying to get people riled up against a seer. Not sure which.


All I'm trying to do is defend myself, because lynching me could result in an instant Chaos victory, and it would be completely without merit.

[Alan T]

Well I guess the good news for me is if you are being truthful, the chaos would be foolish to not kill you. Which means I get to stay alive another day. :)

[st.cronin]

Well I guess the good news for me is if you are being truthful, the chaos would be foolish to not kill you. Which means I get to stay alive another day. :)

I think there are probably 4 or 5 better targets than you. Twothree, whichever of the UTR folks are clean, possibly Saldana or GE (because one of them is probably mutant).

[Alan T]

I think there are probably 4 or 5 better targets than you. Twothree, whichever of the UTR folks are clean, possibly Saldana or GE (because one of them is probably mutant).

Dunno, maybe they will leave me around to make people such as yourself (if you are clean) doubt my story. I'm not complaining, I would like to live the entire game :)

[Greyroofoo]

What we really need to do is decide who to scan.

With Alan T, twothree, and I we should have 3 potential scans

[Fouts]

If St. Cronin's role is as he says it is, I am glad we lynched bullet. He was useless.

[Greyroofoo]

you're glad we lynched a good guy!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!

[Fouts]

you're glad we lynched a good guy!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!

Yes, take it out of context and overact a bit. Your drama is getting old.

If I had to choose between an assassin who does nothing or the guy who feeds the emperor, I choose to kill the assassin.

[Greyroofoo]

i dunno if this is worth anything to anyone but looking back at past votes, path the mutant voted for me on day 2. I hope this helps ease any concerns I am a mutant. I understand if it doesn't though.

[Chief Rum]

AlanT started off suspicious with his announements, and has largely come out clean. Other seers (or death) have in fact confirmed what he says.

So attacking him now seems extremely suspicious to me, st. cronin. You now join Fouts, who basically handed bullet over to be exectued and now doesn't have any remorse about it, as my #1 suspects.

Very wolfish behavior, and what a perfect place to hide as a Chaos, too, feeding the Emperor and using it to get yourself protected every night. Well, path isn't around to do that anymore. Will you die tomorrow night, st. cronin? And if Chaos doesn't choose to go after the lynch pin of the care for the Emperor, now in the open, that will be an eye-opener to me. As good as a confirmation, IMO.

[st.cronin]

AlanT started off suspicious with his announements, and has largely come out clean. Other seers (or death) have in fact confirmed what he says.

So attacking him now seems extremely suspicious to me, st. cronin. You now join Fouts, who basically handed bullet over to be exectued and now doesn't have any remorse about it, as my #1 suspects.

Very wolfish behavior, and what a perfect place to hide as a Chaos, too, feeding the Emperor and using it to get yourself protected every night. Well, path isn't around to do that anymore. Will you die tomorrow night, st. cronin? And if Chaos doesn't choose to go after the lynch pin of the care for the Emperor, now in the open, that will be an eye-opener to me. As good as a confirmation, IMO.


I am attacking YOU more than Alan. See my suspicion list above - everybody but twothree, with you a notch higher than everybody else.

And as for me and path being "buddies" - on day 1 he asked for input on who he should Jail, and people named ME. If we were truly "buddies" wouldn't he have put himself in there with me? No, because he was afraid I might somehow find out he was a mutant. I brought all this up before he was killed, you might recall, and pointed out that it made him seem a little fishy to me.

I don't know what the Chaos strategy tonight will be - I think obviously I'm a prime target. But twothree is probably just as prime a target. And considering that there may be another "bodyguard" type role out there, they may avoid both of us and target somebody who is clean and UTR, like possibly Fouts or Mustang (assuming they are clean).

[Fouts]

CR and Grey are very suspicious after their vote manuevering last night. They act like they were saving bullet, when in fact, they were saving CR.

[BrianD]

What we really need to do is decide who to scan.

With Alan T, twothree, and I we should have 3 potential scans

Agreed, but don't forget Kingfc22. He seems to only be able to figure out roles and not loyalties, but maybe he'll eventually get a hit on a role which ties a player to a faction. I don't think he is as helpful as the seers, but he should have some uses.

I find it a bit funny to hear Bullet called useless. He hadn't gone on any assassination attempts yet, but he also hadn't had any strong suspects. Now that the untrusted list is getting shorter, he could have been very valuable.

I personally don't believe that the Chaos would win if st.cronin was killed. Their victory condition was pretty clear, get a 1:1 ratio. Having the game hinge on one person seems like very tough odds for the humans. Again, not saying that st.cronin needs to be killed, but scanned would probably be good.

[st.cronin]

CR and Grey are very suspicious after their vote manuevering last night. They act like they were saving bullet, when in fact, they were saving CR.


Agreed.

I personally don't believe that the Chaos would win if st.cronin was killed. Their victory condition was pretty clear, get a 1:1 ratio. Having the game hinge on one person seems like very tough odds for the humans. Again, not saying that st.cronin needs to be killed, but scanned would probably be good.


Tanglewood said on day 1 that if the Emperor dies, Chaos wins. Now, whether the emperor dies if I can no longer feed him is an open question.

[Greyroofoo]

The goal of Chaos at all times during the game is to destroy the Emperor. If the Emperor dies the Imperium (the 'good' guys) instantaneously lose.

dola, so I'm guessing st. cronin will be the wolves target tonight. Should we still scan st. cronin if its likely he'll be killed?

[bulletsponge]

If St. Cronin's role is as he says it is, I am glad we lynched bullet. He was useless.



aww dude, your so dead next game http://www.calypso-blue.com/werewolf/images/wolfsmilies/shift.gif

[Greyroofoo]

you see what you did fouts?

[Fouts]

you see what you did fouts?

I'd like to point out that any real seer would not be accusing anyone without scanning them first. Put up or shut up.

[BrianD]

Tanglewood said on day 1 that if the Emperor dies, Chaos wins. Now, whether the emperor dies if I can no longer feed him is an open question.

Right. My point was that I didn't think the whole game would hinge on your survival. From your description, you become a pretty obvious Chaos target (assuming you aren't Chaos yourself), so I don't believe just having them kill you would be enough to win. Killing you may help them on their goal to killing the emperor, but it has to be more complicated than just knocking you off.

[Chief Rum]

CR and Grey are very suspicious after their vote manuevering last night. They act like they were saving bullet, when in fact, they were saving CR.

Better check your research before you spout off.

bullet was already pretty much on the block, with me and cronin behind him or at best tied with him when I voted. And bullet was already one up above even a tie, ironically, because of YOUR vote.

Grey and I had never communicated in this thread at all prior to that exchange where he asked me (publically, as you all saw) to help him save bullet because he knew he was good. But it was never an issue of saving me. I wasn't in danger when it came down to it. My original vote against bullet was, in fact, not to save me, but to move me out of range, an understandable survival move (as I mentioned at the time).

When it became clear that bullet was good and was about to die, I switched at Grey's request. And incidentally, he didn't even switch out his vote on me (as he said he would), so it as if I didn't vote to save myself at all.

The fact is, I wasn't in danger, bullet was. Grey and I made an effort to save him, because he was good. You killed him. And now that you have done your dirty work there, you want to kill me, too. Is grey on your list, too? Probably.

[Fouts]

You were leading all day CR. I switched from grey to bullet because grey wasn't getting enough votes and figured it was a long shot that you were bad. Bullet and Grey were more suspicious to me.

Obviously I made a mistake. I should have let you guys pull the strings.

I don't care for the tone I am getting from you two. If you think I am insulting you guys, then I apologize. I am just playing a game.

[Fouts]

You were leading all day CR. I switched from grey to bullet because grey wasn't getting enough votes and figured it was a long shot that you were bad. Bullet and Grey were more suspicious to me.

Obviously I made a mistake. I should have let you guys pull the strings.

I don't care for the tone I am getting from you two. If you think I am insulting you guys, then I apologize. I am just playing a game.

[Chief Rum]

I'm just playing a game, too, Fouts. I haven't felt one whit of anything personal. So if you think that I am or am showing that in tone, I apologize, too. That's not my intent.

That doesn't stop me from being extremely suspicious of you, though. ;)

[Fouts]

lol, ok. I'll shake on it, just not with your 3rd hand. :)

[Chief Rum]

lol, ok. I'll shake on it, just not with your 3rd hand. :)

Heh, heh.

You know, what's really funny is that, odds are, we're both 100% loyal to the Emperor, and the members of Chaos are sitting back and laughing their butts off at us (and at st. cronin and at grey).

[Swaggs]

At the risk of standing up for someone who is currently a bit unpopular, I agree with Fouts on the fact that it certainly appeared that Chief Rum was on the hotseat for most of day 4.

[Chief Rum]

At the risk of standing up for someone who is currently a bit unpopular, I agree with Fouts on the fact that it certainly appeared that Chief Rum was on the hotseat for most of day 4.

Oh, I actually don't disagree with that. I looked back at how things progressed that day, and I was on the block most of the day.

Fact was, though, voting and unvoting were going on all day, it seems, and by the time the final hour rolled around, I was no longer the top guy. Bullet had passed me, and st. cronin and grey were even with me.

I was a target for most of the day, but by the time I got home from work, there was no need for an effort to save me. I was already pretty safe. It was bullet who needed saving.

So people saying grey and I were doing what we did to save me aren't looking closely enough at the vote totals at the time we were voting. It's pretty clear we were making an attempt to save bullet.

[Greyroofoo]

It was all an attempt to save bullet. I figured Chief Rum would easily change his vote since he was tied for the lead at the time.

I have no string feelings towards Chief Rum either way since he's been rather quiet this game. He is kind of too under the radar for my liking, though he did go with me in trying to save bullet.

[Chief Rum]

It was all an attempt to save bullet. I figured Chief Rum would easily change his vote since he was tied for the lead at the time.

I have no string feelings towards Chief Rum either way since he's been rather quiet this game. He is kind of too under the radar for my liking, though he did go with me in trying to save bullet.

I'm too under the radar? You must have gone away since the vote. I have been nothing but completely above ground this weekend. And why? Well, duh, I'm not working (as I have insisted ad nauseum, when I work during the week, I can't post here).

I'm not "flying under the radar" as you say out of intent, but because I would get fired if I posted here.

[st.cronin]

Right. My point was that I didn't think the whole game would hinge on your survival. From your description, you become a pretty obvious Chaos target (assuming you aren't Chaos yourself), so I don't believe just having them kill you would be enough to win. Killing you may help them on their goal to killing the emperor, but it has to be more complicated than just knocking you off.

I assume it is some sort of die roll - each day the emperor doesn't get fed, there's some chance he dies. Or something similiar to that.

[Swaggs]

I assume it is some sort of die roll - each day the emperor doesn't get fed, there's some chance he dies. Or something similiar to that.

I was thinking it could be like a diseased player, where he dies in like three days.

[st.cronin]

I was thinking it could be like a diseased player, where he dies in like three days.

That was my first thought, but, as I think kingfc put it, there is some uncertainty about what will happen. That matches up with what I was told, and seems to point to some sort of die roll or something. At any rate, I think I am definitely a target, probably second in line behind twothree.

[Swaggs]

Right... in either case, it is very important to keep you alive.

[Fouts]

Right... in either case, it is very important to keep you alive.

Thats what I was thinking, but Grey and CR think different. I think some people are thinking cronin is a mutant because path locked him up, I think that would be too obvious. Path wouldn't make that mistake.

[st.cronin]

Thats what I was thinking, but Grey and CR think different. I think some people are thinking cronin is a mutant because path locked him up, I think that would be too obvious. Path wouldn't make that mistake.

Not to mention, that if we were both mutants, path would have locked himself up as well.

[Greyroofoo]

wow, not a lot of discussion before the night deadline

[kingfc22]

wow, not a lot of discussion before the night deadline

I'm sure we will see some action as soon as tanglewood posts an update and sends out PM's.

[tanglewood]

Sorry guys, I can't process the night actions right now due to a real-life complication. I'll put them up in the morning instead. Hope this doesn't cause anyone any problems.

[twothree]

Thanks for informing us.

[twothree]

dola

Only 12 players remain before the night action. How many will survive the night?

[Lorena]

Hope everything's alright tanglewood.

[Greyroofoo]

anyone else think that the wolves are going to attack st. cronin tonight?

[twothree]

Yeah, I hope it's nothing serious.

Since, I believe the deadline has past for submitting our night actions, and only the write up is delayed. I will now reveal that I chose to scan AlanT. I needed to find out for myself, whether he is abnormal or normal.

[Greyroofoo]

dola, take all the time you need tanglewood

[twothree]

If you, AlanT, turn out to be a villager and we both survive the night, then I will finally have someone, again, who I can trust in this game.

But my gut feeling is that you are a mutant, AlanT.

[st.cronin]

not a bad choice twothree

fwiw, I guess Saldana is the other mutant

[Greyroofoo]

not a bad choice twothree

fwiw, I guess Saldana is the other mutant

how did you come to that conclusion?

[st.cronin]

how did you come to that conclusion?

Just a guess. His strategy seems to be that of somebody who wants just enough suspicion on him during the day so the chaos skip over him at night. Which is how I would play were I a (non-psyker) mutant.

[twothree]

Though, it would be nice if AlanT turns out to be a villagers. Then I could believe in his nice non-chaos COT diagram. Granted he still would not be able to trust me.

[Alan T]

I chose to go a different route with my scan. I honestly don't think I buy St.cronin's story, and him saying for ALL seers to scan him, in fact begging them just smelled like a setup for me.

I thought about scanning Greyfooroo, but I obviously cant detect mutants which I think he is, so passed on him.

I thought about scanning twothree.. that is who I was going to scan.. but honestly, if he really is what he says he is and isn't just lying to us.. Either he or I -should- be the ones dead tonight. I honestly can't think of a reason why they wouldn't unless they really think there is enough suspicion to have people try to kill a seer without proof.

Instead, I decided to scan Fouts. I kind of bluffed a bit as far as how much I trusted him in hopes that he was a wolf he wouldnt think I would scan him. If he is good, then having a duke ability who you can trust, a tiebreaker you can trust is pretty big.

Either way twothree, I dont mind you scanning me. I'm not a mutant, am not a chaos, so I'll show up clean. If you are good, which I hope you are, then you'll have a bigger part in us catching mutants then I will. If you are bad then, us winning or losing this game might ride on my wise or poor scan choice last night.

[Greyroofoo]

My only defense that I am not a mutant is that path12 voted for me on day2. Otherwise I don't know how to prove that I am clean of the mutant stench.

I really don't want to divulge who I visited until I am sure no more night actions can be submitted.

[st.cronin]

My night action was to hide under my bed. We'll soon see if it helped.

[Alan T]

My only defense that I am not a mutant is that path12 voted for me on day2. Otherwise I don't know how to prove that I am clean of the mutant stench.

I really don't want to divulge who I visited until I am sure no more night actions can be submitted.

For whatever its worth, I asked Tanglewood the day before when I posted my role reveal at 8:59 am if anything after 9am was accepted, and he told me no. The deadline time is the cut off regardless of when he processes them.

But either way no huge reason to say who you visited yet if you don't want. I doubt you'll be the night kill and I think many of us would like more information from you tommorrow.

[Greyroofoo]

If no more actions can be processed...

I'm visiting mustang. His non-confrontational play and the lack of suspicion on him has made me suspicious. I wanted to visit fouts but I figured someone else would.

[Alan T]

If no more actions can be processed...

I'm visiting mustang. His non-confrontational play and the lack of suspicion on him has made me suspicious. I wanted to visit fouts but I figured someone else would.

I actually figured no one would go to check on fouts. I figured some chaos folks might try to use that as ammunition after me tommorrow.

[st.cronin]

I don't really get it, Alan. Shouldn't you be scanning the person you're MOST suspicious of? Isn't the idea to find a bad guy? Whether you trust Fouts or not, he's still got the tie-break. We'll see where your vote goes, but to start out suspicious of me, and then refuse to even TRY to verify my story seems to me poor play.

[Greyroofoo]

i wonder who kingfc is going to scan

[Alan T]

I guess my current gut instinct tells me St.cronin is bad, and he is trying to either make people suspicious of twothree by trying to link himself so tightly to him, to try to get us to go after him afterwards.

[Greyroofoo]

if st. cronin isn't dead in the morning i'll be kind of suspicious of him.

although on the other hand a chaos being in his role doesn't make a lot of sense

[Alan T]

I don't really get it, Alan. Shouldn't you be scanning the person you're MOST suspicious of? Isn't the idea to find a bad guy? Whether you trust Fouts or not, he's still got the tie-break. We'll see where your vote goes, but to start out suspicious of me, and then refuse to even TRY to verify my story seems to me poor play.

I honestly was going to until you said -all- people with seer abilities should scan you. Which seems like a huge waste of night actions. I had to ask myself, why would you want people to do that.. So I started to try to think of possible scenerios.. and came up with either you being a hidden wolf, and not showing up bad on scans, or some other plan.

To be honest, I still doubt I'll live through the night so its all moot.

[Alan T]

if st. cronin isn't dead in the morning i'll be kind of suspicious of him.

although on the other hand a chaos being in his role doesn't make a lot of sense

I doubt St.cronin will be dead in the morning.

[st.cronin]

I honestly was going to until you said -all- people with seer abilities should scan you. Which seems like a huge waste of night actions. I had to ask myself, why would you want people to do that.. So I started to try to think of possible scenerios.. and came up with either you being a hidden wolf, and not showing up bad on scans, or some other plan.

To be honest, I still doubt I'll live through the night so its all moot.

Once again, my defense:

- I'm a villager, with strong, useful participation - I strenuously objected to RealDeal's lynch, for one thing.
- I have a critical role (but no actions).
- I have been locked up EVERY night - so nobody has had the chance to scan me.
- I voted for Anxiety on DAY 1! and pointed out that path was playing a suspicious game.
- Despite all of which, somehow I am considered a suspect!

But most of all, I am the one player whose death, per tanglewood, could result in an early loss for the villagers. So lynching me without ANY evidence sounds like a GREAT idea.

[twothree]

- I voted for Anxiety on DAY 1!

You have brought this up several times. I don't see how anyone could trust someone based upon how they voted on day 1. No villager usually has any information on which to base a day 1 vote.

[Alan T]

You have brought this up several times. I don't see how anyone could trust someone based upon how they voted on day 1. No villager usually has any information on which to base a day 1 vote.

Well that and its commonly a wolf plot to vote for another wolf early on to point at that as proof too.

[bulletsponge]

wow, some of yall are telling everyone what your night moves are! this game is way to freindly. Bring back Blade!!!!

[Fouts]

wow, some of yall are telling everyone what your night moves are! this game is way to freindly. Bring back Blade!!!!

Look who's talking, the friendly assassin.

[Blade6119]

Bring back Blade!!!!
I might be biased, but i like that idea too :D

[kingfc22]

Look who's talking, the friendly assassin.

ROFL!!

[Poli]

/me waves.

[saldana]

hi ardent..nice to see you...hope all is getting better.


couple thoughts as i catch up...i was out all day yesterday...

if i am alive today, i will be voting for st cronin...his posts over the weekend have run up two flags for me that i have seen many times being used by wolves.

1. he has come up with about 5 suspects that no one else has on their lists, and in doing so, is attributing things to some people that are done by others, and then accusing them of being defensive...most notably...alan said nothing to fouts about his actions of wanting information being wolfish...I did that, in a rather distinguising manner as well...and if i am such a suspect, one would think that i would stand out a little bit more...cronin's little campaign of disinformation is alarm bell number 1

alarm bell number 2 is the "i voted for anxiety on day one" line that he has posted 2 or 3 times.....my response to that is So What...day one votes are meaningless in my opinion...the only way that would have any weight with me is if you had been sitting there saying "anxiety is chaos", and we all chose to ignore you about it.

3rd. there is NO WAY IN THE WORLD that his death ends the game....tanglewood would have to be out of his mind to give someone a public role that would end the game if he were killed...but cronin keeps expounding upon his importance and that we shouldnt lynch him. this fits into the same line of reasoning that made me suspect realdeal...he is giving us a reason not to kill him, but at the same time pointing out all the other people that he expects to die before him. if you are that important, why wouldnt you shut up about it? why bring to the attention of the people that can kill you at night that you are possibly the most important person in the game? like i said, no way that is a public role.

[bulletsponge]

Look who's talking, the friendly assassin.

yes, my mistake was not killing you the first night. i wont make that kistake twice http://www.calypso-blue.com/werewolf/images/wolfsmilies/howlwink.gif

[st.cronin]

hi ardent..nice to see you...hope all is getting better.


couple thoughts as i catch up...i was out all day yesterday...

if i am alive today, i will be voting for st cronin...his posts over the weekend have run up two flags for me that i have seen many times being used by wolves.

1. he has come up with about 5 suspects that no one else has on their lists, and in doing so, is attributing things to some people that are done by others, and then accusing them of being defensive...most notably...alan said nothing to fouts about his actions of wanting information being wolfish...I did that, in a rather distinguising manner as well...and if i am such a suspect, one would think that i would stand out a little bit more...cronin's little campaign of disinformation is alarm bell number 1

alarm bell number 2 is the "i voted for anxiety on day one" line that he has posted 2 or 3 times.....my response to that is So What...day one votes are meaningless in my opinion...the only way that would have any weight with me is if you had been sitting there saying "anxiety is chaos", and we all chose to ignore you about it.

3rd. there is NO WAY IN THE WORLD that his death ends the game....tanglewood would have to be out of his mind to give someone a public role that would end the game if he were killed...but cronin keeps expounding upon his importance and that we shouldnt lynch him. this fits into the same line of reasoning that made me suspect realdeal...he is giving us a reason not to kill him, but at the same time pointing out all the other people that he expects to die before him. if you are that important, why wouldnt you shut up about it? why bring to the attention of the people that can kill you at night that you are possibly the most important person in the game? like i said, no way that is a public role.

We will see what happens at night, but my reading of my role is backed up by both tanglewood and kingfc. And, um, suspecting realdeal? How did that work out for you?

And I think you misinterpret my suspect list. My suspect list is EVERYBODY, including you and Alan, excepting only twothree. Twothree is the ONLY person who has given us a chaos. All the other seers, prophets, etc. are spinning us in circles.

[BrianD]

And I think you misinterpret my suspect list. My suspect list is EVERYBODY, including you and Alan, excepting only twothree. Twothree is the ONLY person who has given us a chaos. All the other seers, prophets, etc. are spinning us in circles.

I still say all of the other seers have been trying to steer us away from mistakes but keep getting thwarted.

[saldana]

We will see what happens at night, but my reading of my role is backed up by both tanglewood and kingfc. And, um, suspecting realdeal? How did that work out for you?

And I think you misinterpret my suspect list. My suspect list is EVERYBODY, including you and Alan, excepting only twothree. Twothree is the ONLY person who has given us a chaos. All the other seers, prophets, etc. are spinning us in circles.


i didnt say my take on realdeal was an unmitigated screw up, i am saying that you taking credit for voting for anxiety on day one is bullshit...and i went back and read kings reveal over again...he confirms what your public role is, which we all knew already....could you please point out where tanglewood says if you die the emperor dies....i know he confirmed that if the emperor dies, the chaos win, but not that you were necessary to keep him alive.

[st.cronin]

Your take on me is an unmigitated screw-up as well. I am a villager. I doubt you are.

[Alan T]

Just looking back through at people's voting patterns, does anyone else find this weird:

Day 1 Both St.cronin and twothree vote for Anxiety. The only two people who voted for Anxiety, and it was a non factor throw away vote that kept both of them out of the attention from the Realdeal vs Bulletsponge vote (which we now know are two villagers).

Night 1, instead of scanning Anxiety whom he voted for, twothree scanned Blade instead he said somehow knowing that would be the relevant vote the next day.

Night 2 twothree says he scans Anxiety and finds him bad, and everyone now joins twothree on Anxiety to kill him (finding him bad).

We've seen this type of vote pattern before in WW games. We know what types of players use this to their advantage... I'm just wondering if both are bad, or if St.cronin is trying to set twothree up now.

[twothree]

I am casting my vote by using a random selection on the first day. It seems to be about as effective as any other day 1 voting strategy.

vote Anxiety

post #118

[twothree]

Night 1, instead of scanning Anxiety whom he voted for, twothree scanned Blade instead he said somehow knowing that would be the relevant vote the next day.

And, I lobbied hard for us not to kill someone who turned out to be the bodyguard. I did not know he was a body guard, but I knew he was good.

[Alan T]

post #118

Oh I definitly read why you chose Anxiety on day 1. Its just amazing how you, Anxiety and St.cronin have been linked since day 1.

[st.cronin]

Just looking back through at people's voting patterns, does anyone else find this weird:

Day 1 Both St.cronin and twothree vote for Anxiety. The only two people who voted for Anxiety, and it was a non factor throw away vote that kept both of them out of the attention from the Realdeal vs Bulletsponge vote (which we now know are two villagers).

Night 1, instead of scanning Anxiety whom he voted for, twothree scanned Blade instead he said somehow knowing that would be the relevant vote the next day.

Night 2 twothree says he scans Anxiety and finds him bad, and everyone now joins twothree on Anxiety to kill him (finding him bad).

We've seen this type of vote pattern before in WW games. We know what types of players use this to their advantage... I'm just wondering if both are bad, or if St.cronin is trying to set twothree up now.

It really is ludicrous to think I'm bad - I've done nothing but play a strong game for the villagers since day 1. It's even more ludicrous that you thought I was bad and chose not to scan me last night. If I 1) survive the night, and 2) end up lynched, your neck should be on the block next.

[twothree]

Oh I definitly read why you chose Anxiety on day 1. Its just amazing how you, Anxiety and St.cronin have been linked since day 1.

I guess I should of scanned st. cronin then.

[Greyroofoo]

i REALLY hope the night actions give us some answers

[BrianD]

If we are looking at odd voting patterns, I'll point out that Fouts and Swaggs are the only two people that have agreed on all four votes so far.

[Greyroofoo]

that is kind of odd

[twothree]

i REALLY hope the night actions give us some answers

So do I. And for me that translates into someone getting killed, as that will reveal their alignment.

I am even beginning to think it might be better if I am the one killed during the night action, since that would provide the best proof of my actions to everyone. And, I really hope AlanT is not killed tonight, otherwise I would have wasted my night action.

[Alan T]

It really is ludicrous to think I'm bad - I've done nothing but play a strong game for the villagers since day 1. It's even more ludicrous that you thought I was bad and chose not to scan me last night. If I 1) survive the night, and 2) end up lynched, your neck should be on the block next.

Trying to scare me isn't going to stop me from trying to track down who the last wolves are. We're down to only 4-5 people the last 1-2 chaos people can be (excepting for possible conversions).

I honestly think our harder problem is going to be trying to find where the mutants are hiding before we eliminate the chaos.

Speaking just scientifically, the highest likelihood is the remaining chaos are one of the following:

Fouts
St.Cronin
Twothree
Mustang
Chiefrum
Swaggs
Kingfc22

And unless night death(s) hinder us, we'll know more about 2 of those 7 whether we can remove them or not after night actions.

[Greyroofoo]

i hope tanglewood is alright.....

[kingfc22]

We will see what happens at night, but my reading of my role is backed up by both tanglewood and kingfc.


No. I have never said the game ends when you die. Your role is vital to ensuring the Golden Throne runs smoothly. If you were to die, it would be risky without your supervision because if anything were to minutely go wrong then we could be in trouble.

[tanglewood]

Sorry for the delay. Processing the night actions now.

[kingfc22]

Re: Werewolf 40,000: The Horus Heresy NIGHT 4 - Deadline 10PM EST SUNDAY

I don't like this new feature. It's quite annoying if you ask me.

[Alan T]

I don't like this new feature. It's quite annoying if you ask me.


what new feature?

And no problem Tangle. hope everything is ok!

[Fouts]

Trying to scare me isn't going to stop me from trying to track down who the last wolves are. We're down to only 4-5 people the last 1-2 chaos people can be (excepting for possible conversions).

I honestly think our harder problem is going to be trying to find where the mutants are hiding before we eliminate the chaos.

Speaking just scientifically, the highest likelihood is the remaining chaos are one of the following:

Fouts
St.Cronin
Twothree
Mustang
Chiefrum
Swaggs
Kingfc22

And unless night death(s) hinder us, we'll know more about 2 of those 7 whether we can remove them or not after night actions.

Funny Alan. 3 of those guys are on my trust list. Thats where you used to be before backing path and saldana.

[kingfc22]

The one that displays RE:(the entire name of the thread) on every post.

[twothree]

Sorry for the delay. Processing the night actions now.

I was just about to go play my new copy of Disgaea 2. Guess I'll hang around the message board while skimming the instruction booklet for now.

[Fouts]

So what comes first? Chaos kill or scans?

[Alan T]

Funny Alan. 3 of those guys are on my trust list. Thats where you used to be before backing path and saldana.

Trust list or no, I feel pretty good about a few of the people on there, however those are the only people without vouchers right now. That means the chaos has to be within that list (other than possibility of convert). I already have a guess for which ones are and are not chaos, but like I said I think its going to be harder for us to find the mutants than the chaos with how the roles in this game work out.. (ie: a mutant seer will be very eager to help us find the chaos as well, where I still don't know if we have a solid way to track out the mutants.)

[Alan T]

So what comes first? Chaos kill or scans?


No idea. I scanned Saldana before he went out for the night, but on a later night waited in another person's room for them to return for my scan on them.

[BrianD]

Funny Alan. 3 of those guys are on my trust list. Thats where you used to be before backing path and saldana.

For the record, which 3 are those?

[Alan T]

So what comes first? Chaos kill or scans?

ie: I dont know if say you are a chaos, and im the night kill if I have a chance to convert you before I get killed or not.

[Greyroofoo]

damn, I want to stay for the write-up but i need to get to the gym before it closes, i'll be in here in an hour or so

[Fouts]

Sorry guys. I just can't get past the 3 seer thing. How can we have 3 seers on our side. Just doesn't seem possible.

[Fouts]

Sorry guys. I just can't get past the 3 seer thing. How can we have 3 seers on our side. Just doesn't seem possible.

[Fouts]

Apologies for the double post. I would delete one, but people frown on that.

We have 3 "seer" types, but only one has delivered a chaos. Say what you want about twothree pointing out anxiety, we would have never suspected him without twothree coming out. He is the only seer type I trust.

[Alan T]

Apologies for the double post. I would delete one, but people frown on that.

We have 3 "seer" types, but only one has delivered a chaos. Say what you want about twothree pointing out anxiety, we would have never suspected him without twothree coming out. He is the only seer type I trust.


I actually agree on the three seer type. I think Grey is a mutant seer and you all are wrongfully trusting twothree right now. Like I've been saying, I don't think there is anyway we could have that many and it be fair. I think the only real solution in my mind is that twothree is bad, greyfooroo is mutant and I'm good.

I think once night actions are done, we will know alot more.

[Alan T]

Bleh. looks like I was attacked last night, but they didn't kill me. Unfortunatly I never got to Fout's chambers thanks to the wound in my shoulder.. But nice try on killing me guys.

[Fouts]

For the record, which 3 are those?

Sorry missed this - twothree, swaggs, st. cronin (in order of trust).

I have based it on post content and voting.

Other groups (not in order of suspicion);

Alan, saldana, (path-RIP) GE

Grey, CR, Brian, GE (again?)

Mustang, King, (anxiety-RIP)

[tanglewood]

You awake once more, less one of your number. Twothree it seems is nowhere to be found, even a search of his chamber brings naught. Soon one of the Astronomican operators bursts into the Council hall and shouts that he has seen a terrible sight on the stairs leading the the Astonomican itself. After intial examinations it is clear the the mangled corpse is that of twothree. With luck ,you will avenge his death this day.

[Fouts]

Bleh. looks like I was attacked last night, but they didn't kill me. Unfortunatly I never got to Fout's chambers thanks to the wound in my shoulder.. But nice try on killing me guys.

Come on Alan. This is bs.

[saldana]

mustang attacked alan last night and tried to kill him...complete role reveal to explain everything, but i guarantee this one.

vote mustang

[twothree]

Good game everyone.

[Fouts]

mustang attacked alan last night and tried to kill him...complete role reveal to explain everything, but i guarantee this one.

vote mustang

Yeah, your track record is real good.

[Alan T]

Sorry missed this - twothree, swaggs, st. cronin (in order of trust).

I have based it on post content and voting.

Other groups (not in order of suspicion);

Alan, saldana, (path-RIP) GE

Grey, CR, Brian, GE (again?)

Mustang, King, (anxiety-RIP)


I wouldn't grouup Swaggs with you or with St.cronin and twothree. Swaggs has come out several times backing me and for whatever it is worth in my mind has played a solid game trying to help us. I don't have much suspicion of him right now.

I would group them a little differently:

Swaggs , King -> under the radar somewhat helpful for us

Grey , GE, BrianD, bullet -> The group Grey vouched for as not chaos

Alan T, Saldana , GE, path -> Group Alan vouched for as not chaos

Twothree, St.cronin -> who knows what these two are up to.

Fouts, ChiefRum, Mustang -> not a whole lot of info on these three. All have been participating in a non-shady way, but also not provided alot of help either. Mostly neutral

[tanglewood]

Obviously today will be a shortened day, but does anyone want o push the deadline back to say 10PM EST? Or is it still fine with everyone at 9? My preference would be to keep it at 9, but if there is a majority to move it I will happily oblige.

[Alan T]

Come on Alan. This is bs.

Hey don't complain to me. Complain to tangle. I pretty much said what was in my PM without quoting it to break rules. :) If you don't believe me, check my shoulder, I'm pretty sure the gash is still there

[Alan T]

mustang attacked alan last night and tried to kill him...complete role reveal to explain everything, but i guarantee this one.

vote mustang

Im not voting anything until I hear your reasoning and I hear greyfooroo chiming in.

Grey already told us he scanned mustang last night, so this should be a very easy vote if both of you come up together on this.

[BrianD]

I thought things were supposed to get easier after the night actions, not more confusing.

[hoopsguy]

I'm enjoying the mayhem from the sidelines now that I'm caught up with this monster of a game.

[Chief Rum]

I think you should do what's best for you, tangle, as obviously something in real life has mucked things up for you (which is understandable).

That said, if it's just a choice between 9 and 10, and it doesn't have an impact on what you have going on, I think it would be better to go with 10 to give people a chance to get back here to vote. If they won't out for a Labor Day BBQ, for instance, they may not get back in time.

[Fouts]

Hey don't complain to me. Complain to tangle. I pretty much said what was in my PM without quoting it to break rules. :) If you don't believe me, check my shoulder, I'm pretty sure the gash is still there

So whats with your buddy saying mustang attacked you. The same guy who was wrong about blade, and would never explain himself.

You and I both know you didn't scan me because you want me to remain suspicious. Throwing in this mustang attack is just icing on the cake.

[Fouts]

Im not voting anything until I hear your reasoning and I hear greyfooroo chiming in.

Grey already told us he scanned mustang last night, so this should be a very easy vote if both of you come up together on this.

Ah, now I get why you guys chose mustang.

[Chief Rum]

I will wait on grey before I say one thing or another. I don't have much reason to doubt saldana and AlanT, most of the statements of whom have ended up true (or with the ring of truth, short of some amazing conspiracy). But if grey did scan mustang last night, that would certainly clear things up a bit.

If mustang is cleared, my vote will be between st. cronin, Fouts and saldana.

[Fouts]

I'm enjoying the mayhem from the sidelines now that I'm caught up with this monster of a game.

Too bad you're not playing. We could use another veteran scanning these posts, these guys are running me in circles.

[Alan T]

Ah, now I get why you guys chose mustang.

I have a feeling, you are about to lose the game for us. Just think things through, have I come out at any point saying I think you are suspicious? Or a top candidate? If I had to choose of the people we haven't cleared as non-chaos, probably only Swaggs is less likely in my mind to be chaos than you.

I still stand by my reasoning and have done everything possible to try to get as much information out there while staying alive. If you choose to not listen to it, then nothing will convince you other than seeing my dead body with loyal human marked up there.

[Fouts]

I will wait on grey before I say one thing or another. I don't have much reason to doubt saldana and AlanT, most of the statements of whom have ended up true (or with the ring of truth, short of some amazing conspiracy). But if grey did scan mustang last night, that would certainly clear things up a bit.

If mustang is cleared, my vote will be between st. cronin, Fouts and saldana.

What? If Mustang is cleared, my vote will be on saldana.

[saldana]

ok here is all i got, and how i am sure this time even though i was wrong about blade.

i am not a normal spy. as Paternoval Envoy of the Navigators, i am, as all Navigators are, a Pysker. Because of my advanced status in the Guild, I have become capable of using the powers of the Warp to perform remote viewings.

some of these visions are much more clear than others.

On night one, i had several visions, but they were not entirely clear..
-i saw king doing something in relation to St Cronin (which is why i immediately accepted kings role reveal and unvoted him yesterday)
-

[Fouts]

I have a feeling, you are about to lose the game for us.

That is pretty cruel, but I think what you intended has worked. I'll be back at the deadline.

[Chief Rum]

What? If Mustang is cleared, my vote will be on saldana.

That's why he is on my list. That and the Blade thing make him very suspicious. He would be on the top of my list, actually. The only thing speaking for him is Alan, and that's what holds me back (and confuses me tons, because I believe Alan).

Nuff said about why I view you and st. cronin as suspicious. If it makes you feel any better, I am a lot more suspicious of st. cronin and his "beware killing me" stance than I am you.

[BrianD]

Ah, now I get why you guys chose mustang.

Fill me in please. Do you think Grey is working with Alan/Saldana and will back up their story?

[saldana]

my next two visions were what caused my screw up about blade...

i saw twothree working over the astrominican, he was taking readings of activity going on in the warp. one of the readings he was taking was an amount of energy directed towards blade

i then had a vision of blade talking to someone....i could not make out who

i added these two things together to conclude that blade had been converted, since he said he didnt speak with anyone in person, so it didnt make sense to me that he was anything but lying...that was obviously a mistake
.....

[Alan T]

That is pretty cruel, but I think what you intended has worked. I'll be back at the deadline.

If you mean I want you to duke me, I really don't. But right now I don't know what else to do to try to win your trust. I actually went to scan you last night in hopes to have the duking ability on our side (or know it was on our side). Unfortunatly I never made it there. I don't mean anything mean to you Fouts, but I clearly know what you felt like in the game where Lathum summoned you as an avatar and despite you telling the truth, no one believed you.

Im at a point where I did I think the best I could to clear people, and if the only way to keep everyone's mind at easy is for me to die, then so be it. I think it would be a bad mistake though and would do the wolves work for us. Ive been very open on my thoughts and I have been wrong alot more than right this game.. but I still have given you my beliefs.

If you still think Im bad, then yes your duking me would definitly kill me where half the remaining people alive either know or feel strongly Im good.

[saldana]

finally, i saw golden eagle in his room, trying to determine if blade was chaos or not. i didnt hold this as a vindication of blade when GE came to his defense, as the order of actions is unknown...if ge's scan came before the conversion it was meaningless, and i didnt take it into account.

on night 2 my visions were shitty....

i saw alan doing his interview, but could not see who he was with....

i saw someone investigating alan (we now know it was king)

and i saw fozzie die, but didnt see who it was...

obvioulsy with this crappy ass load of info i laid low on day 3 after the disaster of blade.

[saldana]

night 3 wasnt helpful either...

i saw mustang going out, but didnt see what he was doing (obviously, he was killing path at the time)

i saw grey and bullet in the same vision but it was not clear what they were doing, or even if they were together

and i again saw alan doing an interview

then last night i had two crystal clear visions...the first one has no information pertinent to anything...but the second was as plain as day...

mustang left his room, carrying a knife....he attacked alanT, there was a fight and he left....


i realize i messed up the blade thing...it was a connect a dot situation and i missed a dot somehow....this is not the same....i guarantee that mustang attacked alan last night.

[Greyroofoo]

I visited Mustang last night and I found him awake and quivering. I wasn't there to judge him just that I wanted him to turn toward the light and follow the Emperor. I believe I have saved him.

Mustang is now loyal to the Emperor.

[Fouts]

Before I go.

vote saldana

[Fouts]

I visited Mustang last night and I found him awake and quivering. I wasn't there to judge him just that I wanted him to turn toward the light and follow the Emperor. I believe I have saved him.

Mustang is now loyal to the Emperor.

Oh come on.

[Fouts]

unvote saldana

I give up.

[saldana]

btw, my little blow up at fouts was a complete contrivance....i had had shitty visions 2 nights in a row and was questioning if i was going to get anything worth reporting on...i was trying to over-state my importance hoping to get the wolves attention so they would kill me instead of 23 tonight....fouts' insistance about my reveal just gave me an easy opportunity to overdramatize the situation

[Greyroofoo]

I personally want to hear Mustang before I vote.

[st.cronin]

Fouts, damn it, stop thinking along with me. It creeps me out.

Saldana and AlanT = mutants? What does that make Mustang?

[saldana]

and after that little post of greys, here is my suspect list

1. mustang
2. grey
3. bullet or chief rum

[Alan T]

I don't even want to vote today.

This is crazy.. so mustang may be evil or may not be... of course mustang will come out saying he was converted or something and dont kill him (even if he wasnt)...

If we go ahead and kill him, he'll turn up good if he was converted...

ugh

[Alan T]

and after that little post of greys, here is my suspect list

1. mustang
2. grey
3. bullet or chief rum

uhh bullet died.. he was a good guy

[st.cronin]

So saldana and Alan want us to vote for Mustang. Grey wants us NOT to vote for Mustang.

I think I'll

VOTE CHIEF RUM

[BrianD]

So Mustang was Chaos and attacked Alan, but now he has been turned non-Chaos so even if we kill him, we can't verify the story?

I'd like to hear more about the attack that supposedly happened. It seems convenient that the details I gave out about my attack were repeated for this attack. Now let's see if any of the details I left out will be repeated...

[st.cronin]

So Mustang was Chaos and attacked Alan, but now he has been turned non-Chaos so even if we kill him, we can't verify the story?

I'd like to hear more about the attack that supposedly happened. It seems convenient that the details I gave out about my attack were repeated for this attack. Now let's see if any of the details I left out will be repeated...

This implies that Alan and grey are in cahoots. Which I am not quite willing to accept.

[Alan T]

So saldana and Alan want us to vote for Mustang. Grey wants us NOT to vote for Mustang.

I think I'll

VOTE CHIEF RUM

You know Cronin, its hard to piss me off in a game, but if you attribute one more thing to me making up stories about me, I'll just vote you every single time until either I die or you die.

Come on, stop making up crap. I have no clue what to think about mustang, and I havent told anyone to vote for him, and i havent voted for him yet myself.

[saldana]

fouts, you have played enough of these games with me to know i have never gotten personal before like i did with you....even at the height of blade's antagonism, i never snapped back at him, but i lost it at you????

i was trying to serve a purpose for the imperium by distracting the wolves because i didnt have anything more valuable to contribute...read my recap posts...everything i have said adds up...i am not lying about this

[Alan T]

The only reason I've given a pass to greyfooroo so far is Goldeneagle vouching for him (when I know Goldeneagle is loyal to the emperor.) GE, how confident are you that greyroofoo is good? Is it something you are 100% sure on, or just something you assumed based on the night action?

[saldana]

uhh bullet died.. he was a good guy

slight oversight.:D

[Greyroofoo]

dance my little ants, dance!!

;)

[st.cronin]

Fine, get pissed off at me Alan. You claim to be a villager, and claim to be attacked, and saldana comes forward and says Mustang attacked you. My conclusion: You and sal want us to vote for Mustang. But go ahead and get pissed off, and make it seem like I'm being completely unreasonable.

I don't believe the Chaos have two kills, and I believe Chaos killed twothree, so I don't believe Mustang ever was Chaos.

[Fouts]

Fouts, damn it, stop thinking along with me. It creeps me out.

Saldana and AlanT = mutants? What does that make Mustang?

That makes mustang and grey chaos, but how does alan thwart a night attack? Roll of the dice?

[tanglewood]

The deadline is currently 9PM EST, but I reserve the right to extend it by one hour depending on how well voter turnout looks in the time leading up to the deadline.

[Alan T]

Hell, I give up. Im out for the night, I just won't vote. Do whatever you all want. Its obvious that you all won't listen to reason anyways.

[Fouts]

Fine, get pissed off at me Alan. You claim to be a villager, and claim to be attacked, and saldana comes forward and says Mustang attacked you. My conclusion: You and sal want us to vote for Mustang. But go ahead and get pissed off, and make it seem like I'm being completely unreasonable.

I don't believe the Chaos have two kills, and I believe Chaos killed twothree, so I don't believe Mustang ever was Chaos.

Yeah, the pissed off thing is something they like to use when under stress. If Mustang was never chaos, then grey is working with alan and saldana.

[saldana]

tangle, take it from experience...if you want to extend it that is fine, but do it now...dont wait until the end...i did that in the star wars game and it was the biggest screw up ever.

[Alan T]

By the way, when they kill me and I turn up like I have said the entire game. Go after Fouts and St.cronin. I think they are the ones pulling the strings. I'll check back in after 9 to see if I even need to bother scanning someone or not.

[Fouts]

fouts, you have played enough of these games with me to know i have never gotten personal before like i did with you....even at the height of blade's antagonism, i never snapped back at him, but i lost it at you????

i was trying to serve a purpose for the imperium by distracting the wolves because i didnt have anything more valuable to contribute...read my recap posts...everything i have said adds up...i am not lying about this

Sorry saldana. With every post I have seen from you, I trust you less and less. Go ahead and throw things around the room and call me names.

[saldana]

Hell, I give up. Im out for the night, I just won't vote. Do whatever you all want. Its obvious that you all won't listen to reason anyways.

alan, you have trusted me since the 2nd day...i am telling you that mustang attacked you.

[tanglewood]

tangle, take it from experience...if you want to extend it that is fine, but do it now...dont wait until the end...i did that in the star wars game and it was the biggest screw up ever.

If the deadline is to be extended, it will be announced well in advance, as in at least one hour before hand.

[saldana]

Sorry saldana. With every post I have seen from you, I trust you less and less. Go ahead and throw things around the room and call me names.

then just kill me and when i come up a good guy you can kill mustang tomorrow.

[st.cronin]

Yeah, the pissed off thing is something they like to use when under stress. If Mustang was never chaos, then grey is working with alan and saldana.

I doubt there are three bad guys working together. It's possible grey and Alan are working together - the story doesn't make any sense no matter how you put it together. I think this is probably like the Blade situation earlier where nobody understands what actually happened. I'll keep my vote on Chief Rum.

Note - grey never said Mustang was Chaos. He said whatever he was before, now he's good. I think Mustang is definitely good now, and probably always has been.

[BrianD]

For what it is worth, I am pretty convinced that Grey was good when he visited me on night 2. From the description of the encounter, I assumed that he would have killed me had I been Chaos, but I suppose a conversion could be possible.

Alan, do you have any more detail on your attack?

Mustang, do you have anything to say?

[Alan T]

alan, you have trusted me since the 2nd day...i am telling you that mustang attacked you.

No thats the thing, this game makes no sense in my head, and I have no idea who I trust anymore. I know who tangle told me are not chaos, and I have no idea if all of those people have even not been converted yet.

I don't understand how we have multiple seers.
I dont understand how the bad guys have multiple kill attacks where one seems to always fail (BrianD one night, me last night)
I don't have any clue to how we can track down mutants since I obviously cant.
I have no idea what to do to get people to believe me

This is the first game where I almost wish I had died day 3 or before. Its giving me indigestion. All I know is I will get some vindication when I eventually do die and people see I was telling the complete truth. Until then I'm just getting frustrated at people not being reasonable.. which probably is their goal.

[saldana]

Sorry saldana. With every post I have seen from you, I trust you less and less. Go ahead and throw things around the room and call me names.

dola, i havent trusted you for days, and the fact that you refuse to believe me now after i have done exactly what you asked me to do (reveal my role and explain everything) only reinforces my belief that you are on the side of evil in this game.